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Is Shane Mosley vs. Sergio Mora Just Another Sign of Boxing's Fall?

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Here's how Bad Left Hook opens their always excellent live coverage of tonight's boxing PPV:

For the many who won't be plunking down their hard-earned coin on tonight's marginal and rightly-criticized HBO pay-per-view card headlined by Shane Mosley taking on Sergio Mora, fear not! You can still get real-time updates, round-by-round scoring and analysis here at Bad Left Hook.

The Boxing Bulletin took a meat cleaver to HBO's promotional strategy for the main card fight:

Before you decide Mosley-Mora isn't worth the cheese, consider how HBO promoted it.

Mosley has 46 wins, 39 by knockout. He has six losses (twice to both Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright, once to Miguel Cotto and Mayweather). What do those four have in common? They aren't of Mexican descent.

Enter Mora, who is - voila - a Mexican-American.

So HBO does what any reasonably thinking company would do: In the commercials between the bouts of its last PPV, it asked viewers if Mora will be the first Mexican to defeat Mosley. That's supposed to be the appeal here? Can Mora be the first fighter of Mexican descent to beat Shane Mosley?

Classy.

And the undercard? It's pretty weak too, here's The Boxing Bulletin again:

It's far from a great trio of supporting bouts, but it's not that bad - at least relative to the kind of undercards we've come to expect from pay-per-view shows lately. It's just not good enough to make up for a main-event that doesn't quite have the sizzle to merit the $44.95 price tag.

Antonio Escalante vs Daniel Ponce de Leon? Hard to see that one not turning out well. Escalante always means business and Ponce can really crack. No complaints there.

Saul Alvarez vs Carlos Baldomir? Alvarez is a 10-1 favorite for good reason and the youngster shouldn't have too many problem with the aging Baldomir's slow moving come forward style. This bout could provide us with some good exchanges, but it's an FNF quality fight at best and shouldn't be one of the key attractions to an expensive show.

Victor Ortiz vs Vivian Harris? This one really does not look good. When was the last time Harris looked like a viable contender at 140lbs? Should he even be fighting anymore? Want to bet on Ortiz...you'll need to lay 20 to win 1. That's really all the info you need to confirm that Harris is considered a very safe step towards rebuilding Victor's confidence.

But even if the main event is lackluster at best and marketed in an offensive manner and the undercard is only so-so, Fight Opinion notes that Golden Boy and HBO have varied their tactics a bit to push this card:

If you have had an opportunity to watch Fox Sports Net/Comcast Sportsnet in your area, you may have seen a paid infomercial running to promote the Sergio Mora/Shane Mosley PPV fight. It's done in a similar style to the April/May UFC Countdown shows that Zuffa (reportedly/allegedly) paid to have run on CSN and Versus.

The 30-minute infomercial is produced by HBO & Golden Boy Promotions. Interestingly, a few newspaper writers were shown praising the PPV during the show. There was focus on Mora/Mosley but there was a clear focus on trying to push Victor Ortiz/Vivian Harris and the undercard for the fight, pushing the theme of ‘the young bucks' coming up to eventually replace the bigger names in boxing.

I don't know if enough people saw the infomercial to make a difference in PPV buys, but it was certainly interesting to see Golden Boy and HBO up their promotional game to try to sell tonight's fight. 

On the whole I think this fight card sums up much of what is wrong with boxing today -- aging headliners, weak undercards filled with squash matches, and questionable promotional strategies.

Many MMA fans seem to revel in the decline of boxing, but I don't think we should. So far the MMA audience that the UFC boom has been built on is mostly younger white males in their 20s who never watched boxing in the first place. Many of them were pro wrestling fans, but for many MMA is their first combat sport to follow. 

The boxing demographic of middle-aged and older white males and younger Hispanics and African-Americans remain huge targets for MMA expansion and maybe I'm wrong, but I think the more healthy the boxing scene is, the easier it will be to pick up fans from there.

Boxing is also a warning parable for Dana White and company full of mistakes to avoid. So far that's been easy since Vince McMahon's WWE is 100% their business template, but as time goes on I fear we'll see the UFC fall into some of the same pitfalls as boxing has.

For example, weak PPV cards: next weekend's UFC 119 and UFC 120 later this month are both the kind of weak cards that a few years ago MMA fans could gloat only boxing promoters would try to fob off on their fans to make a quick buck.

It's no coincidence that HBO and Zuffa aren't going head to head with their weak cards this year like they did last year when UFC 103 went up against a Mayweather fight. Even if there is limited overlap between their audiences, why fight over scraps?

[UPDATE by Anton Tabuena] - The fight, which most people found very boring, ended in a draw. Scott Christ has it:

A draw. A draw, in a terrible fight. A terrible fight that had the Los Angeles crowd booing through most of the first eight rounds of alleged action. Mora (22-1-2, 6 KO) came in to stink out the joint and try to win an ugly decision, and he accomplished the first part. And 39-year-old Mosley (46-6-1, 39 KO) was so gassed out by the ninth round that everything he threw was without steam.

...Yes, I scored it 117-111 for Mosley, same as HBO's Harold Lederman. At the end of the day, I don't really care about who won this fight, or if nobody win, because the fact of the matter is this: neither one of these guys looked good tonight.

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I thought the weaksauce promotion behind this

Was that it was Mexico’s Bicentennial.

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by menckenstein on Sep 18, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Boxing writers won’t stop to write negative things about a major boxing undercard just because it might “hurt the sport” or to be a “team player”. MMA writers frequently will. Besides, the UFC has conditioned people to think that 11 3 minute KO/submission fights where one guy outclasses the other and disposes of him quickly are great fights, so its not like pointing at fights being mismatches will mean anything from a writers perspective.

Look at it another way – if you Murilo Bustamante booked in the UFC to fight Jon Jones, writers would find a way to justify that fight.

by VirtualBalboa on Sep 18, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

That last sentence made no sense. And Bustamante would be a less legit opponent than Baldomir is, admittedly. But still, I stand by the general premise.

by VirtualBalboa on Sep 18, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't know what your getting at here

But ‘most’ fights in the UFC aren’t mismatches, they generally match guys very well.

For evidence look at UFC card betting lines and compare them to any other promotions, you generally don’t see a +500 line very in UFC but it’s almost common other places.

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by ShaiZ on Sep 19, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its not just that they do mismatches, which they do run. Its that fights which are inconsequential are built as being meaningful. Put two well matched guys who hover around top 40 in their respective weight classes on as part of a boxing PPV, and boxing writers will shit on it and say they don’t belong on PPV. Put two well matched guys who hover around top 40 in their respective weight classes on as part of an MMA PPV, and MMA writers will talk about what a great action fight it will be and how it fills out the card.

Totally different levels of expectations. Basically, MMA fans have none aside from not liking boring decision fights.

by VirtualBalboa on Sep 19, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with your comparison is...

that those two MMA fighter will be on the undercard…if they are in the UFC at all and they will probably put on one hell of a fight.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Sep 19, 2010 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’d be on the undercard of the boxing PPV too. And if they put on a “helluva fight”, that could be described as either being a 15 minute war or a 4 minute fight that ends with a KO or Submission.

Honestly, if boxing tried to put on a fight with two guys ranked like Cro-Cop and Mir in the heavyweight division, it would do 25,000 buys at best and they’d be screaming about what a terrible fight it is for PPV.

by VirtualBalboa on Sep 19, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair 120 is free on Spike

but I do understand your point.

What I’m really interested in is how well the lw division can do without Penn on top and anchoring that division. I dont think they ever wanted Penn to lose that title and if he ever did they wanted it to be to either a fan favorite like Guida or a guy with at least some personality like Sanchez( remember the fans chanting yes at 107)

Now dont miss understand me the new champ and contenders are all very talented but this has gotta be considered a very weak class personality wise. Your champ is Edgar and your contenders are Maynard, Dunham, Sotiropoulos, and Miller and as talented as those fighters might be I dont see any combination of those fighters that the fans are just dying to see.

by bigdmmafan on Sep 18, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Antonio McKee will liven things up some

but clearly they want Gomi to continue clowning fools. Gomi as UFC champ would be a great thing for Zuffa. Would be a nice PR hit in Japan and creates the possibility to do a live even in Japan.
McKee’s outspoken personality will at least add some color to the division, that’s IF he can hang with guys 10 to 15 years younger with similar skill sets.
Otherwise they desperately need to sign some of the top ranked guys outside the UFC: Aoki, Melendez, Alvarez, etc

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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 18, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they do

Aside from Melendez, there isn’t a single LW out there that I think can win more than one out of five times against the Florians, Edgars, Penns, etc. Melendez flat-out embarrassed Aoki, dominating him for roughly 4.5 out of 5 rounds and nearly finished him had Maz not screwed the pooch as he tends to do. I don’t think Alvarez is on either of their levels, much less the UFC LW’s.

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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 18, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Alvarez could do quite well against Florian

and would pulp Edgar. Maynard might be too much for him though.

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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont

See McKee making any big waves.

by Bloodsport on Sep 18, 2010 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ah I figure if he got one win

he’ll talk enough shit to stir things up. depends who they put him in there with and how hard a push they give him. He won’t be able to stall his way through many fights in the UFC. I expect Clay Guida or Joe Stevenson would be an excellent test for him.

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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

At best

he could become the lw Fitch but even that’s a stretch because of his age and that theres a lot of good wrestlers in the division.

by av1o3 on Sep 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would put lots and lots of money on Edgar

at anything under like -300, maybe more. ditto on florian.

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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 19, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

UFC LW division as a selling point is completely screwed

I don’t care how many time people say “the UFC is great at marketing”, for as long as fighters not named BJ Penn are contending at 155, this weight class can’t sell.

Jose Aldo (if he moves up) and maybe Melvin Guillard if he can get his head straight are marketable guys but everyone else….duds. Even then I’ve just put in two hypothetical situations which aren’t a guarantee. The lightweight division does not have a single outstanding fighter. They will need to find a new star soon to be their new BJ Penn.

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by SSreporters on Sep 18, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Case in point, LW fights not involving Penn have never been the main event on a UFC PPV

But 9 of the 22 Fight Night cards on Spike have featured….lightweights.

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by SSreporters on Sep 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasnt UFC 95 Sanchez vs Stephenson?

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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Sep 18, 2010 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Correct but it was on Spike TV and not a PPV

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by SSreporters on Sep 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Writing in between rounds of the Alvarez/Baldomir fight...

I definitely agree that promotional efforts in boxing are failing miserably and weak matches don’t help the matter. Off the top of my head, I would only think to add in the alphabet soup issue. Articles over at BLH have already illustrated the point that the commissions are more than willing to dilute their very own name by strapping belts to fighters at random. They sacrifice legitimacy (their own and, unfortunately, that of the sport) for that extra bit of cash they can claim by getting their hands in on “title” fights.

I don’t know if the influence of commissions, TV providers, and promotional groups are too intimately tied to boxing at this point to be properly overhauled, but the landscape of boxing is just plainly incoherent to most people. Although far from perfect, I have some respect for the effort to provide clarity with the Ring belts… it’s just clearly not enough.

by Brent Ducharme on Sep 18, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Certainly not bad.

Part of me always wonders if tonight will be the night that Merchant has a heart attack during one of these post-fights.

by Brent Ducharme on Sep 18, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

the guy is a beast. he will be a huge name in boxing within 2 years.

Also,

TATA got KTFO

by espino on Sep 18, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The boxing demographic of middle-aged and older white males and younger Hispanics and African-Americans remain huge targets for MMA expansion and maybe I’m wrong, but I think the more healthy the boxing scene is, the easier it will be to pick up fans from there.

I live in one of the larger hispanic communities in this country – although it is mostly islanders and more south americans than it is mexicans – and a good many of my hispanic friends my age (30, for the record) are MMA fans since boxing has fallen to the wayside. They liked boxing growing up, but since it’s fallen apart, they barely pay attention to it except for the big names and national heroes (Cotto,etc). Nearly every UFC, however, they’ll go to Hooters or Buffalo Wild Wings or occasionally order it at someone’s house.

I’d say the UFC is doing pretty well amongst young hispanics, at least amongst my small, anecdotal group.

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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 18, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

good info

thanks

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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 18, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same in southern New Mexico

where I grew up. Hooters/BWW/ and a few other local bars carry the UFC fights, and they’re nearly all standing room only by the time the main event begins. The crowd is 70%+ Mexican American.

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by Rudinho479 on Sep 19, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

But is this a sign that hispanics love MMA or just that they love an excuse to eat chicken and stare at boobs? Only time will tell.

by DirtyML on Sep 19, 2010 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as 119 and 120 go...

on paper 119 looks fantastic. Let’s be honest, when the UFC has a belt on the line the rest of the card sucks. Look at 116, most of those guys are usually prelim/UFN fighters. Brock was the attraction and that’s it. It turned out great but easily could have been four okay/sloppy bouts and then Brock vs Carwin. 118 was crap on paper and in practice. 117 was beefed up because it was a “Shit, we have to figure out how to sell Anderson”-card. Is the headliner of 119 great? Not really. It’s mildly compelling and should have some entertaining violence. But it also has Nog vs Bader, Dunham vs Sherk, Serra vs Lytle II, and Guillard vs Stephens. Top to bottom that’s a pretty decent card to watch with your buddies.

And 120, yeah it’s kind of weak. It’s basically a beefed up UFN. Should it be a numbered event? Probably not. But hey free fights are free fights.

by Josh Grant on Sep 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I keep saying that 119 is going to be sick.

It’s an AWESOME card with four former UFC/PRIDE champs competing, two fights of guaranteed excitement between Serra/Lytle and Guillard vs. Stephens, and a real test for a prospect in Bader. Guillard vs. Stephens will make one of the two very relevant. Winner could fight Jim Miller, then be in a top contenders bout if they win that. Dana may not be able to promote it well, but it’s another job well done by Joe Silva in making competitive and relevant matches.

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by pdl on Sep 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you see Serra/Lytle 1?

that was an utterly dreadful fight. Hopefully both guys will look at the next one as a do over.

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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 18, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was four years ago and in their third fight in a short time

because of the TUF format. Also there was a title shot on the line, which changes things. At this stage in their careers I don’t see either of them doing much but getting into the cage and hoping a fight breaks out. That’s what I’m expecting.

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by pdl on Sep 18, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL do you really think the TUF finale is right after the show ends? There are MONTHS in between when taping ends and the TUF finale.

by JimmersonzGlove on Sep 19, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lytle has addressed this fight many times.

And said it’s the only time in his career he fought not to lose, instead of fighting to win. And we know him fighting to win means there’s going to be some type of finish or an action packed 3rounder that usually leads to someone getting a bonus check, so let’s not act like it’s going to be another borefest. Plus, Serra’s big into his boxing now. Lytle has been known to be pretty entertaining when throwing hands. It’s going to be a fun fight. And either way, even if that fight did suck. On paper it looks fun. As do the other fights.
So what there aren’t a ton of far-reaching implications (Guillard vs Stephens may produce a contender and Dunham HAS to win to be a top guy)? It just looks like a pretty solid night of MMA action. I could honestly care less about any of the other stuff. This just looks fun. Like UFC 103.

by Josh Grant on Sep 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can’t remember the last time i’ve watched a boxing card and i gotta say that i’ve somewhat enjoyed this card thus far. but that’s coming from a person who knows little to nothing about boxing and doesn’t watch it.

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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 18, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously, this is a great card to watch for the uninitiated, especially if you’re one of those people who just wants to see fights get finished when watching MMA. Everybody is getting knocked the fuck out tonight.

by smoogy2 on Sep 18, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m not really one of those finish whores with mma…….i enjoy a battle in mma
but this has been a good card for someone like me who is uninitiated into the boxing world. knock outs keep me watching and keep me enjoying it.
but when i watch i watch it with an mma eye
keep expecting take downs and shit
dumb i know but i eat breathe and sleep mma so this is a lil bit of a culture shock

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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 18, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFC 119 is a great card trying to even compare that with this boxing card is ridiculous.

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by Nightwhistler on Sep 18, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

UFC 120 is not a PPV

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by SSreporters on Sep 18, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m only interested in the Canelo fight and that is being broadcast for free in Mexican TV.

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by IHateMMA on Sep 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Not too long ago I took a peek at the kinds of odds bookmakers are giving the more prominent upcoming boxing matches and they all agreed with the part about squash matches. In each case the favorite got something like -400 odds – or worse. Doesn’t exactly speak volumes for a competitive matchup, now does it?

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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Sep 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope no one is watching Mosley/Mora

A spoiler is warranted – Someone please give me the MMA equivalent of watching one guy making no attempt to win and is fighting ugly in what will probably be a losing effort.

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by SSreporters on Sep 18, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Butterbean – Pudz

Guy vs. National Anthem

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by IHateMMA on Sep 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ Penn in his second bout with Frankie Edgar.

by Josh Grant on Sep 19, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marcus Davis vs Nate Diaz
Arona vs basically everyone he lost to except Fedor cause I think he won that fight(ducks)

by DirtyML on Sep 19, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow im watching it and it is effing terrible

by eddyg on Sep 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

you are taking something that's not news..

trying to make it news…

and it’s still not news. Must be a slow month in MMA.

by Daveyboy on Sep 18, 2010 11:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i've got mosley up 5 rounds to 0...

I would rather watch Lentz fight than this shit….can’t believe i paid $50 bucks for this shit

by purplehazelett on Sep 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

That was an all-time bad fight

Which of course had to end in a draw. You deserve to be spoiled because this is more like a warning not to even watch a replay or else you’ll likely throw acid into your eyeballs.

Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.

by SSreporters on Sep 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Varner/Shalorus was decent if you subtracted the nut shots

This entire fight was terrible sans a few flurries. Mosley clearly won the fight and they give a draw.

Mosley better retire and Mora should be banished to the undercards forever.

Mo Johnston finally fired. Let the house cleaning and road to success begin.

by SSreporters on Sep 19, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Varner/Shalorus was closer than this fight

But yeah Varner definitely won that one.

Lawlor/Simpson was also a terrible decision solely on Lawlor somehow not getting a 10-8 after blasting him in the 1st round.

There are probably a few more BS decisions I can think of.

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by SSreporters on Sep 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

but with the point deduction it was clearly Varner's fight.

and two points should’ve been deducted instead of just one.

Really ridiculous.

by TylerTreese on Sep 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Shalorus should've been DQed

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by SSreporters on Sep 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point

I’m one of Varner’s few fans =P and even the haters had to feel bad for him.

by TylerTreese on Sep 19, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Varner was rocked a couple of times by...what I guess Kamal considers throwing punches

But he definitely kept his composure and won the fight.

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by SSreporters on Sep 19, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was 3

Shalorus was deducted a point for the 2nd kick but not the 3rd.

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by SSreporters on Sep 19, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Garcia getting the nod over Chan Sung Jung.

Dunham only getting a split decision over Griffin.

by Josh Grant on Sep 19, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The surest sign of boxing's fall...

Is that this write-up has 63 comments. Whereas BadLeftHook’s more in-depth writeup on Mosley-Mora only has 11. But lets not make more of this than it is, a couple of shot fighters (one who couldn’t even make weight) that were inexplicably picked up and put on HBO PPV. There’s certainly more positive places to place your boxing interest energy. Although with fights coming up like Pacquiao-Margarito, Pascual-Hopkins, and Klitshcko-GonnaGetKTFO’d, you have to look past the first tier to find them. However, Khan-Maidana and Martinez-Williams are a good place to start.

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by WarToney on Sep 19, 2010 3:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Not knocking BLH, but they don’t have anywhere near the daily activity that BE has. Of course there’s more comments here, probably the same goes for K-1 stuff here compared to stuff posted on Headkick Legend.

by rabrown on Sep 19, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's my point.

If boxing wasn’t a sick old man, and MMA the hot new combat sports commodity, I think SC and Brick are solid enough writers that the traffic would be on that site, given how SBNation is set up.

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by WarToney on Sep 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boxing is going to fail, there is no analog in human society to people punching each other in the face with a strict rule set anymore, this isn’t 1915 in England.

There is no dueling, people are not going to stand there exchanging blows to prove who is manlier, they will take you down and strangle you and that is why MMA is the real deal for the layman, and that is why boxing will never be the forerunner in combat sports again. People can’t get behind a sport that is unrealistic at best in terms of defense, “OH you cant take me down, because the rules say so.” that is the best takedown defense ever, however I don’t give a shit who can punch each other with pillows more, and a lot of other people don’t care either.

And to make matters worse, apparently the sport has become more boring, as if the complete lack of takedowns and take down defense and their version of stalling on the ropes making clinch fighting look like a Rambo movie didn’t make the sport bad enough.

They need a rule change or to institute a yellow card no timidity rule in boxing, because I will never watch a non-Pacquiao boxing card again in my life. I could be doing more interesting things like masturbating with sand paper or removing the paint from a derelict building.

by DirtyML on Sep 19, 2010 6:47 AM EDT reply actions  

GSP and Anderson Silva were both boo’d this year during their fight in winning performances. Was that a sign of MMA’s fall?

by JimmersonzGlove on Sep 19, 2010 7:30 AM EDT reply actions  

exactly

people are overplaying this. Boxing is still far from dead.

by TylerTreese on Sep 19, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is this the boxing equivalent of John Fitch versus a TUF prospect?

by Bandaka on Sep 19, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

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