UFC 119 Preview: Frank Mir Disses Cro Cop's Rear Naked Choke
by Nate Wilcox on Sep 18, 2010 11:11 AM EDT
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The rear naked choke that he nailed on Pat Barry was not a good choke by anybody's standards. He reached over the far side of the body, he didn't secure the hips, he didn't have any kind of control, he just reached for it desperate and grabbed it. Barry had a broken hand, broken foot and was fatigued. Pat Barry needs to improve his ground skills also, his ground skills are still... you know... improving.
Frank Mir talking to Fighter's Only
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The problem is that Frank Mir has fallen in love with his striking. Hopefully he knows not to use it too much with Cro Cop.
by mountaineers101 on Sep 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
people say that
but I feel that mir will always jump at any open submission…
yeah that dude will crank at limb or neck that is available
The dude just cranks nothing technical just cranks!
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by robinhorobson on Sep 18, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mir is so right on this.
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by thetakeover on Sep 18, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He is absolutely right. The problem is, it was still awesome for CC. It would never work against Mir, however.
Easily
When a submission is so easily there for the taking you don’t have to get fancy and technically sound with it. If you can get it sloppy and fast cause it’s there to be had you throw it on any way u can. The only time it needs to be technically sound is when u have to fight tooth and nail for it then get your hooks in do what u gotta do etc. But like I said if you can just slap that s.o.b on do it.
by Bloodsport on Sep 18, 2010 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I mostly agree
although a really excellent jiu jitsu artist would probably be able to slap it on faster doing it right than doing it wrong. But your point is 100% valid. If a technique worked, it was a correct technique for that particular situation, even if it’s a bad habit in general. Not everything that happens in a fight will be textbook, and that’s ok.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
well
Cro Cop isn’t exactly a sub machine though, I’m sure most grapplers would be able to get away from that sub and the way it was set up, but that’s beside the point. He’s not really a grappler.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Most grapplers would not be able to get away from that...
if they had the shit beaten out of them. This isn’t technical BJJ so it just matters whether you get the sub or not.
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I find that hard to believe
that a high level grappler could not get away from that RNC when it wasn’t greatly set up, no matter how beat up they may be
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Really?
Apparently you have no idea what your talking about. Saying that unless it’s greatly set up a high level grappler wouldn’t get caught no matter how beat up they are is ignorant to say. When your battered been rocked and you’ve lost blood your equilibrium is off it’s very easy to get caught no matter how good you may or may not be. Skill gos out the back door once your body can’t take anymore it’s simply that you may be a champion grappler but if your body is shutting down cause you’ve been battered there’s nothing they can physically do it has nothing to do with skill level. If they’re not battered it’s s different story skill would b everything.
by Bloodsport on Sep 18, 2010 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Sep 18, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Orcus's lemur thinks u r over reacting.
I have to agree with my fellow primate on this one. Take a deep breath….. then post.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 18, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Calm down?
I wasn’t aware of the fact that I was excited at all. I simply stated I thought it was a ignorant statement that is all. If that’s out of control you live a sheltered life bro.
by Bloodsport on Sep 18, 2010 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
ignorant?
Apparently you have no idea what your talking about. Saying that unless it’s greatly set up a high level grappler wouldn’t get caught no matter how beat up they are is ignorant to say.
oh the irony…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Barry had a broken hand, broken foot and was fatigued.
Frank Mir also forgot to mention that Barry had a love broken heart.
by Bandaka on Sep 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
hahaah lol +1
Maybe he was expecting the rear naked poke but tapped because he was surprised that it was a choke
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by robinhorobson on Sep 18, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
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by RolloTomasi on Sep 18, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So let me get this straight
A Kickboxer from K1 does not have great grappling expertise and Pat Barry, another Kickboxer, is not good on the ground?
mind = blown
by TylerTreese on Sep 18, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Considering how much time he has spent training with adequate BJJ World Champ Fabricio Werdum, you might think he would be more technical than someone who has never trained but watched the UFC. Just saying.
Again, this still does not take away from the awesomeness that occurred that night.
I wouldn't be suprised
If all Cro Cop worked on with Werdum was his BJJ defense
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
he definitely has knowledge on BJJ
but I’d think that’s different than being good at it, he can train 10 years straight, but if he never competes in grappling he can’t put the things he learned into practice (correct me if I’m wrong, given your nick I’m sure you may know more than me regarding this). Most people that brings in BJJ guys to train with will learn how to defend subs, and they may learn how to apply them too, but I think they’ll usually have many guys to train with, Cro Cop only had Werdum.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Good points, but I would have to assume he worked something as basic as a RNC. Granted much of your early BJJ training is learning to defend and survive, but basic chokes and armbars are usually included.
Once again, he could have done the worst choke ever and it still would have been awesome!
Although I agree with Mir’s assessment, I’m not sure what his point was.
His point was that he was answering a direct question about it.
And Kid Nate didn’t post the first sentence of his answer which made it clear he was only speaking about that one choke, not about CroCop as a BJJ practitioner.
FO: What did you think of his rear naked choke at the end of that fight?
Not that I am underestimating what he is but I can only estimate what I have seen. The rear naked choke that he nailed on Pat Barry was not a good choke…..
He goes on to give an indepth opinion, quite detailed about CroCop’s general striking.
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by PapaBumpants on Sep 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks
this post got me to read the full interview, in which Mir is actually very respectful of Cro Cop and doesn’t come off like a douche.
Glad to help. I highly encourage everyone to read the full interviews of any of the more controversial fighters (Mir, Carwin, Penn, etc.).
They seem a lot less like d-bags when their quotes are taken in context.
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by PapaBumpants on Sep 18, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir is dumb
It’s not like Cro Cop is going to try and grapple with him, it does no good to insult a STRIKERS gorund game.
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
well to Frank's credit
Lesnar, Carwin & Vera didn’t submit him. So I guess thats a moral victory for him.
Frank doesn’t get submitted by strikers, just knocked out by them.
by TylerTreese on Sep 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Two of those guys are actually wrestlers...
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Carwin definitely is more of a striker than a wrestler
he wants the fight standing not on the ground
by TylerTreese on Sep 18, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
They can't all be winners
The UFC has been on a hell of a run over the summer. I’m ok sitting this one out.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah im glad i'll save money
but I usually find one fight to latch onto. Like for 109 I was pumped for Chael/Marquardt.
by TylerTreese on Sep 18, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That was an epic fight.
Thought Nate was gonna run through him.
by Polyhedron on Sep 18, 2010 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The card is ok, but Mir/CC has little appeal. I’m just trying to decide which one of my friends is going to buy this, lol.
And I am interested in seeing how Mir comes in. Will he take CC lightly and be out of shape? Will he have dropped weight in his quest for the MW crown? Will he still be massive after packing on 25 pounds of muscle in 2 weeks? Should be an indicator of where his head is at.
Also acceptable...
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by Krimson on Sep 18, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope I get to watch 119
I just wanna see Cro Cop win in awesome way.
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
Me too, when he’s not putting on his douchebag act he always has interesting and well-thought out stuff to say, his analysis of Cro-cop in that interview was pretty good.
I’d like Cro-cop to win, but realistically I don’t think he has much of a chance. I’ll be very surprised if he does somehow get the better of Mir in this fight.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 18, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not Carwin
You don’t think if Cro Cop were to knock Mir out in a horrible way he would get a quick title shot?
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Nah. Mir losses aren’t that special anymore. Cro Cop still has a lot to prove.
by judonerd on Sep 18, 2010 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No but it could earn him a top contender fight.
This is probably the best stylistic match up Cro Cop will get in the upper echelon of the heavyweight division.
by Polyhedron on Sep 18, 2010 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Contender fight against who?
If Brock holds serve, he’ll get Cain, JDS, and probably a Carwin rematch? I think Cro-Cop prolly has to beat two more guys before he gets a title fight.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 18, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, so what? He saw an opportunity and went for it! It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t a textbook submission, it got the job done!
exactly
and on top of that, he got a sub of the night bonus. If I was cro-cop I would be damn happy with that!!
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He was asked about CC’s ground game and merely offered a critique of his win against Barry, nothing he said was incorrect.
Cro Cop will win this fight.
Mir will not be able to take him down very easily and when he gets him on the ground CC will scramble and get up quickly. CC will keep this fight on the feet and Mir can not hang with CC in the striking department.
Cro Cop by 2nd round TKO.
by Polyhedron on Sep 18, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I love when Mir criticizes the amateurish technique of his opponents (such as Brock or Carwin) and then gets the crap beat out of him by who he thinks is an infinitely inferior opponent. Unfortunately that’s not going to happen in this case as CroCop just doesn’t have the skills to make Mir eat his words. I predict Mir is actually going to make this look easy and it’s not going to be a good fight because CC will never put Mir in any sort of danger.
Cro Cop’s only other BJJ submission win was a guillotine in 2004. Nobody expects his technique to be perfect. 20 of his 27 wins were KOs and TKOs. Please let it be 21.
I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 18, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
I think for the 1st time in
his life Mir was afraid.
Mir looks like
in this picture. Which makes it even funnier to me.
by av1o3 on Sep 18, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt that's gonna happen.
It’s been years since CC landed a KO headkick…..YEARS.
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Cro-cop confirms eye injury, got poked while sparring.. doctors recommend two weeks rest but he’s going forward with the fight anyway. Link here
Not good!
Cro Cop is old school.
He aint pullin out of this fight last minute, classy, maybe dumb, but classy.
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Yeah, he’s already the replacement and he’s right they won’t find a replacement with only a week left. I hope this gives him an even bigger bonus for stepping up and being a trooper.. but my expectations for the fight has been severely lowered, was already pessimistic about his chances and this makes it even worse.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 18, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
"Luckily there was a TV crew in the room and also some reporters from two websites. Frank Mir has talked this and that, maybe if nobody had seen this and there was no video, he would again be saying I am trying to make excuses. But no excuses, it is just bad luck. All I need now is for my plane to be hit by lightning tomorrow and crash into the Atlantic."
I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 18, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The bumper stickers made me laugh.
Subtle but hilarious.
he sure talks no matter how badly his last fight(s) went.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Sep 18, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
He was asked a direct question in the interview what he thought about that choke. He gave his honest opinion, without going overboard trashing either fighter involved. I honestly don’t see the problem.. nothing he says in that quote is untrue.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 18, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not like he’s wrong.
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I’m really curious to see how Mir comes back in this fight, after his lackluster showing against Carwin and ridiculous talk about dropping to LHW. I really want to see if Mir is as focused as he should be because while CC has been figured out if he doesn’t show up prepared he can get beat badly.
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