But aside from the obviously force verbal diarrhea, I’d just like to say that Cole Miller, Paul Daley, Dan Hardy and the other fighters who have been speaking up lately are not websites trying to get attention. They’re fighters. Also, many fans in forums including Sherdog have been talking about this long before any major MMA site caught on and started doing pieces to further the discussion. Breen is way off the mark on this one, aside from his forced wordiness being laughably bad.

He’s so goddamn pretentious in a funny and non-negative way regarding his knowledge about this sport. He’s also, as usual, right about this matter.

By the way;
I, by the look of things on forums and such, is one of the very few remaining Jon Fitch fans, and i think his fights are exciting and a great showing in skill in all areas. But the lentz-winner fight wasn’t entertaining. The difference between Fitch and Lentz is;
a) Fitch is one billion times more skilled
b) He is actually very active from the guard and the clinch.

So while i’m at it, all you haterz hatin’ on fitch for stalling and shit; check out the fight against Saunders. Am i blind or did he throw hard punches on the ground for 3 straight rounds? How is that lay’n’pray? (terrible expression btw).

Meh.

With that beard, if this MMA thing doesn’t work out for Breen, he could always sling OxyClean or something. GREAT BEARD!

to quit trying to speak like Max Kellerman and use his mannerisims. I think it’s funny because he sure wasn’t like that 3 years ago

but then someone crop dusted his face before his mouth sprouted vegetable poop all over our ears…

Wrestling belongs in MMA… no one’s refuting that…. why the argument always jumps to, “cry baby is just complaining cause he can’t defend a take down” is beyond me… it’s a pathetic response which has no relevance because no one is making that argument….. NO ONE IS SAYING WRESTLING SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM MMA…… but to no end, it should be clear that the objective of MMA is to inflict damage to your opponent.

If you want to engage in strictly wrestling (or watch), then WWF is your shining star… There’s no shame in that; what ever floats your boat…. But this is MMA… and the goal here is NOT to SOLELY control your opponent… you MUST inflict damage. It’s “MMA FIGHTING”.. you must inflict damage… What if I made a new martial art called “patting”… where the objective of my fight style is to dance around an opponent and perform random pats to an opponent… Should the UFC allow me to come in and employ my sole fighting style which does not inflict damage to my opponent? — Maybe in patting, my goal is not to inflict damage….. it’s to conduct a random patting combination on an opponent… this is the problem with SOLE wrestling in the cage. People are not complaining about wrestling in general… there are plenty of wrestling moves that could inflict damage (which you’ll never hear someone complain about). People are not complaining about wrestling that helps you take position to inflict damage… People are complaining about STALLING. WASTING TIME ON THE CLOCK. Wrestling just happens to be the vice to employ this tactic. AND IT IS IN FACT, AGAINST THE RULES….

 —- I personally think Dan Hardy is crap.. Way overrated, and didn’t deserve his title shot…. but, he’s right on the money on this argument. If you noticed, Dan Hardy pointed out that he was not speaking of his fight with GSP… He didn’t because GSP actually went for finishes. He made no derogatory comments of his wrestling or take downs. But there is a rule against stalling. That is why fighters get picked up.. That is why they get broken up from the cage or from a “rest hug”…. The issue is simply, REFEREES NEED TO START DOING THEIR JOB. No new rules need to be made… there is already a rule against this… We need better REFEREES…. and hopefully, well find some….

First, he’s committing an obvious logical fallacy. Just because the source of information is untrustworthy (bitter fighters who suck at wrestling) doesn’t mean that the information itself is inaccurate or not worth discussing.

I am a huge MMA fan with deep knowledge of the sport, and it’s been plain to me for a long time that certain MMA rules make certain control and stalling techniques — many derived from wrestling — safer than they should be (banning knees to grounded opponents being foremost). Further, MMA scoring overvalues control — not because control isn’t important — but because in a sport where “on the back” can be a controlling position, it’s insanely hard to determine who is in a position to do the most damage and receive the least.

But then there’s the fact that Jordan construes intelligent discussion as sensationalizing. Again, a topic’s merit is independent from whatever spurred discussion in the first place. A crazy street person could scream “Global warming will kill us all!” Is he crazy? Yes. But is the topic meritless? No.

He also doesn’t seem to understand the debate, which isn’t about wrestling per say, but about rewarding positional dominance over damage, and the extent to which certain “controlling” positions are actually more akin to stalling (like wrapping a fighter up in boxing). There are no obvious answers to these questions, but to suggest that the unified MMA rules have them perfectly worked out at this early stage — and when MMA rules are different in Japan — is absurd.

i dislike when ppl use extended vocab to make themselves feel smarter