UFC Fight Night 22: Nate Marquardt Addresses Greasing Accusations, Rousimar Palhares Apologizes
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 16, 2010 12:07 PM EDT
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Nate Marquardt scored a first round TKO victory on the main event of UFC Fight Night 22, but Rousimar Palhares accusing him of greasing put a strange ending to the bout. Marquardt talked about his disappointment over this:
"It's kind of disappointing to have to try and defend yourself over something like that. I'm not a dirty fighter, and I don't cheat. I don't grease."
"I didn't really know what he was doing, but I saw his hand was kind of pointing toward the ref or something. He took his eyes off me. Once he took his eyes off me, that's when I jumped in... I guess I was surprised, but at the same time, I was watching him the whole time for an opening. That was it... I was very excited for the win, but that kind of took a little bit of it out of it for me."
Nate commented on the probable reason for Palhares' complaint:
"Basically, I believe what happened was I had a good sweat going before the fight. He felt as I turned out of the ankle lock that it slipped a little bit, and he felt that I had greased or something, so I'm sure he was a little upset"
His teammate, Brian Stann has an even more interesting take on twitter (which Nate said he doesn't do):
Try to leg lock a girl with fresh shaved legs, much easier to slide out
Either way, Palhares' complaint, and getting knocked out for it, was all for nothing because the athletic commission and the referee checked Nate properly:
"After the fight, [Palhares] was complaining. He thought I had something slippery on my legs. The referee, Herb Dean, wiped my legs with a paper towel. He said he was going to wait for the sweat to dry, and then if there was grease left over, it would leave a mark. There was nothing left over. Also, the commissioner came over and with his bare hand checked my legs and said that I was good to go."
UPDATE: Rousimar Palhares apologizes for his false accusation:
"I'm very sorry for the accusations I made. Nate Marquardt did not cheat in any way, and I'm very sorry to him and his team for my actions in the fight... I congratulate Nate on his win. I learned another lesson for my career in the fight, and I apologize to Nate, his team and the UFC for any issues I contributed to. Nate is not a dirty fighter, and I was wrong to accuse him of cheating in any way."
After the jump, his trainer, Greg Jackson also talks about the bout and the accusation.
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good stuff,
but have you seen that Palhares officially retracted the accusations and apologized? It was a classy move. Story is up on Junkie right now.
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yeah, updated the post.
I read it as soon as I hit publish.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 16, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
but have you seen that Palhares officially retracted the accusations and apologized
yea glad to see he did that
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Nice
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
I am glad everyone is ok with the situation.
I still would the commissions to have a mandatory supervised prefight shower. I hate that this is so common or at least so possible.
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
How cute
you think that will help.
People have accused GSP of bathing in oil so that his skin absorbs it and it comes out when he sweats.
Let that sink in. There’s nothing you can do to stop people from complaining.
by Shaun32887 on Sep 16, 2010 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Happens more often then you think unfortunately. Its not just GSP that should be accused.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
nah.. a prefight shower is not ideal. A lot of people react differently to showers.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
How would this help?
Most oils are not soluble in water or soap.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Most oils by definition would come off with soap because oil is hydrophobic.
by ricker2005 on Sep 16, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Your idea creeps me out...
There is already enough homophobia in MMA without a “shower supervisor”
by truck on Sep 16, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn! And here I was getting all fired up to slander Nate for a few years. Well, I’ll always have GSP, Barnett, Overeem, Carwin, Bonnar, Leben, Sherk, Akiyama, Bigfoot Silva, and Sly Stallone.
You know I love how people keep repeating this and never tell the full story, Nate isn’t Barnett he even went back and was retested clean twice. Seriously let’s not try and lump every fighter and every situation into being the same because it’s clearly not.
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 16, 2010 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Then you might want to take Sherk off the list.
by SilverNBlackZach! on Sep 16, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
...
I work at a bar and watched the fights without sound or subtitles, I was wondering all night wtf happened. I didn’t know if he had drank some Filho juice or what. Too bad this is what it was, unfortunate ending.
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The worst thing about all of this is that the conspiracy nuts will always try and bring this up to disparage Nate and Jackson’s camp in the future even though it was false.
Nate handled himself well in the aftermath by letting Herb Dean and everyone check him out to make sure the was nothing shady.
Palhares if the apology is legit earned at least some respect back because the last thing we need is more crying and excuses after a loss.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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Skin + sweat, ban ’em both.
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by spectaa on Sep 16, 2010 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Agreed
I want to see more of the Strikeforce CG fighters in action.
i dont see it that way
if you were going to fight a guy like palhares, who is not only very skilled but strong as hell, and could rip your leg off, you might do anything necessary (within the rules) to stay out of those subs.
Greg Jackson
seems like a person that would be annoying after anything longer than how long that video is.
yeah
thats why fighters travel the world to join his camp; to spend years being annoyed.
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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 16, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Palhares joins the BJ Penn club, apparently – as in ‘if he manages to succesfully defend my sub he must be greasing’. BJ couldn’t stick a high guard on GSP → GSP must be greasing. Nate slips out of a Paul Harris leg lock → Nate must be greasing.
I rest my case.
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by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Sep 16, 2010 5:07 AM EDT reply actions
Except GSP was greasing. He did it in the octagon, in front of cameras, thousands of fans, and Chuck Liddell.
I rest my case.
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by PapaBumpants on Sep 16, 2010 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
who are you Lionel Hutz, because you have about as much chance of winning that case as he did most of the time.
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 16, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I was making the counter argument to the original post.
GSP did have vaseline rubbed on his body. It is a fact. You can argue whether it was intentional or whether it mattered in the outcome of the fight. But it was a rule violation.
RIP Lionel Hutz
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by PapaBumpants on Sep 16, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, thy had to change the rules after that fiasco. Cutman puts Vaseline on you, then ou get your hugs, and after that, everyone now gets patted down last and checked for greasing. They never bothered with that before GSP lubed up.
by judonerd on Sep 16, 2010 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They saw it
and rubbed it off right then and there.
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by Geno Mrosko on Sep 16, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Nate Marquardt responded to Brian Stann:
@BrianStann hhaahaa. Just sweat bro. I don’t shave my legs;-)
rewatch the fight
nates ankles were clearly clean shaven
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Every fighter in the UFC is waxed from head to toe, very few exeptions. It’s strange, considering the macho aspect of the sport.
by judonerd on Sep 16, 2010 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it makes a ton of sense
hair makes it easier for the guy to grab onto something
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Also taping your legs would get real old real fast if they are hairy
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 16, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad it was checked right after the fight by ref and commission and also that Palheres retracted the statement. Hopefully that keeps the drama down.
Palheres initial reaction was telling, though,
And I don’t think much weight should be given to his “retraction,” since it’s likely that he was pressured to offer it. All of these “tests” done after the fact by the “commission?” And Herb Dean’s hilarious paper towel experiment. Here, I’m going to wipe off your ankles thoroughly with a paper towel and when it drys we’ll know if you greased, buddy. Now, go get looked at by the commission… Look, if anything had been found than it would have been a huge scandal within the UFC and for quite possibly the strongest camp within MMA, you know, the guys who coach GSP, Rashad, Nate, Jones, etc. We will never know, true. But Palheres was sure enough to complain to Dean in the middle of the round and again after the fight. Stupid and impulsive, yes, but also authentic. This smells.
by Charlie Custer on Sep 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
No, no it doesn't
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 16, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It does to me.
And I’m a huge fan of many of the fighters in the camp. Rousimar’s held a lot of ankles in his arms, wouldn’t you say? I would imagine that many of them were even sweaty. So his reaction, to me, in the heat of a fight is very interesting. And I’m not surprised at all that he’s walking it back…because it’s probably better for his career. It was just an incredibly interesting chain of events, there. Did you see the disappointed smirk he gave to Nate when he came over to shake his hand after the fight? It was pretty genuine. Again, I’m just assuming that he knows what a sweaty ankle feels like.
by Charlie Custer on Sep 16, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what else smells? Losing 2 fights in the UFC, accusing both people that beat you of greasing, and then having to come out and apologize for the second accusation.
by Phildo on Sep 16, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
The truth! It BURNS!
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Still haven't seen a source for the Henderson greasing claims.
Not questioning the validity but I’d love to see the article this is coming from.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
If Herb Dean said Nate was good that's enough for me.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 16, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Reading comprehension problems?
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If there were accusations levied during or after the Henderson fight, I didn’t hear about them. If this is a trend with Rousimar, then yes, that would definitely have an effect on the conclusions I have not even reached. But I will admit to you: those guys over at Jackson’s are all great. Just great, great, swell guys that unquestionably do things the right way.
by Charlie Custer on Sep 16, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And Herb Dean’s hilarious paper towel experiment. Here, I’m going to wipe off your ankles thoroughly with a paper towel and when it drys we’ll know if you greased, buddy.
I was definitely doubting the whole exam thing, but sweat evaporates and oil doesn’t. It’s actually a really great test.
unless some mad scientist
bought a tube of astro glide or any other water based lubricant
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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Water-based lubricants don't evaporate either
It would be a pretty crappy lubricant if it did
So the two of you are our resident astro glide experts?
Cool…
I’m gonna go hang out in the “Donald Cerrone is a homophobe” threads and leave you two alone.
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It's true!
Conversations where Nate Marquardt ISN’T a cheater? Not much interest.
But a whole thread full of knuckleheads who have no idea what they’re saying because their gay friends are all too offended by their shit-talk to come out to them? Oh, that’s my element.
And I am so much prettier than Jamie Varner.
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yeah i was not impressed with the Mr. Wizard impression dean did with the towel.
You have been saying some real ass shit lately. More so then normal… and for that I salute you.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 16, 2010 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Palhares’ longtime manager, Alex Davis:
“But I looked at Nate’s legs myself. The commission checked them out, too. There was certainly no grease there. It was our error, and we owe Nate an apology, as well as Greg Jackson and the rest of his coaches and team.”
by Mint on Sep 16, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Classy for Palhares to apologize for his accusation
In the heat of the moment when he couldn’t get his leglock on it very well could have felt like Nate was greased – or at least its understandable that you jump to that in the chaos and adrenaline of a fight.
Good of him to walk it back and I hope we see him back snapping fibia’s soon.
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by hobbie on Sep 16, 2010 7:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If by following the game plan
you mean standing at kickboxing range and only boxing, landing a few jabs and winding up in a Paul Harris ankle lock….then I guess Nate did follow the game plan.
It looked to me that Nate was a little confused by the Palhares puzzle but then again maybe that’s the stand-up discipline one needs to beat someone with great take-downs.
And Palhares, wide body, classy body.
It's almost like Palhares won
the version of the fight that you saw.
by Scott Haber on Sep 16, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You think maybe all that circle was to get the sweat going?
Considering that seemed to be Marquardt’s plan all along…
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by WarToney on Sep 16, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well:
“I’m not a dirty fighter, and I don’t cheat. I don’t grease.”
Well, one out of three ain’t bad. :-)
(I guess the steroids and pile driver slipped his mind.)
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by jemaleddin on Sep 16, 2010 8:34 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
How that pile driver was legal still baffles me. Paralysis = Illegal. Anything-but-paralysis = Legal.
"It's only cheating if they get crippled!"
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What are you thoughts about Belcher's move on Cote?
That’s seemed really dangerous to me, and I don’t see how it could be considered anything but spiking an opponent on his head.
Yup. Agree. All the talk was like “A piledriver is where the fighter is slammed right on the top of his head and the top of Cote’s head didnt hit the mat. Therefore its legal.” Strange logic to me. I would have thought you’d try to discourage the move to prevent paralysis as opposed to arguing of technical details. But hey, theres been no deaths inside the UFC octagon so its safe!!
To be fair, that piledriver was really more of a botched powerbomb (which is legal). Nate just couldn’t get the elevation to finish it and wound up dumping him on his head. I don’t think he intended to piledriver him.
Didn't he also knee him in the head on the ground in that fight?
It’s all jumbled up in my memory….
And who cares about fairness? SOLAMENTE GAGS!
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Man, this outcome sux!!!! Purely Palhares’ fault but I’d really like to see a rematch here as the outcome didnt really answer any questions I had about this match up. Bizarre that he called the greasing mid fight. Even after the gnp he didnt seem all that dazed by the strikes either.
Without the apology, I say screw Palhares, but coz he apologized and has learnt something from this fight I want a rematch!
With all the Nate hate
I thought I’d bring up one of the top KO’s of 2009, when he blasted Damian Maia and followed up for the kill… and stopped when he saw Maia was out. Great KO and a classy ending that showed MMA is not full of blood thirsty killers.
That was less about being classy
and more about Nate not wanting to punch Maia in the back of the head. He wasn’t stopping for Maia’s sake he was looking for a legal place to strike.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No.
That’s not true at all.
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by Geno Mrosko on Sep 16, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Yes it is. It was a combination of Maia not offering a legal target and Nate realizing he was done before he could readjust and blast him somewhere else. Nate even said in interviews that the initial reason he didn’t follow up was because he had no target and that he realized it was over before he readjust and strike him somewhere else. It was a combination of the two.
by Steve4192 on Sep 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know...
Let’s have all the fighters have a pre-fight supervised shower, and then immediately rub their entire bodies with weight-lifting chalk. Further, they should be hosed down, dried, and then re-chalked between each round.
Maybe then, all of the conspiracy nuts will be satisfied
Wow!
It can’t be more than coicedence that every fighter comming out of Jackson’s camp has had complaints about them being more greasy than a pig.
just 3. and Cerrone is an egregious dick-kicker.
pretty much par for the course for large camps
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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 16, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Jackson’s camp motto:
“If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.”
Those guys are there to win, and they will bend any rule they can if it helps. They are definitely fight-agnostic. I’m not saying Nate greased, but I’m not saying there isn’t some secret lab in the school basement that is working on hyper-sweat-gland genetic mods as we speak.
So Greg Jackson=Bill Bellicek ?
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
just because Palhares took the high road doesnt mean that Marquardt didnt cheat.. Marquardt has a history of cheating (failed a steroids test, hit Almeida after the bell, illegal knee to Leites, oh and now greasing against the number one leg lock dude in the UFC)… Rousimar has grappeled for years and anyone with an understanding of BJJ knows the difference between when someone is sweating and when theyre actually greased.
by your mom is beautiful on Sep 16, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Did anyone watch Ultimate Gracie last night?
I am a big fan of the gracie family but I saw it and it was an hour and a half of dick sucking Royce Gracie. It was revisionist bullshit history. Ken Shamrock lost to Royce the first time cause Royce was using his Gi as a weapon (which is fine with me but they should have mentioned it). The second time they fought, Royce said it was a draw, yet who’s face was turned into custurd cream pie? Had there been no time limit Ken would have ended up tko’ing Royce.
They didn’t mention shit about the second Sakuraba fight, how Royce was cuaght for juicing. Just seemed like they kept glossing over history.
1. They did mention that it was a sleeve choke.
2. It was a draw. Just because Ken managed to bust him up doesn’t change that.
Had Royce not worn the Gi there was a damn good chance Ken could have locked up that heel hook. You didn’t see Ken relying on his red speedo to win the fight.
That draw was bullshit and everyone knows it. Royce not admiting that he lost that fight irks me a bit cuz anyone who watched that fight can tell you that Ken won that fight.
Oh well, cry me a river. Haven’t you had like 17 years to get over this shit. Ken got fuckin smoked because wearing a gi was ALLOWED in the rules. Shamrock didn’t think Royce had anything for him and he paid the price for his cockiness
by SilverNBlackZach! on Sep 16, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Even though they said there were no rules, they still had rules.
No where in the rules did it say that you could bring a weapon into the ring, which essentially what Royce did. If weapons were allowed, Ken should have been allowed to bring in brass knuckles or knife.
Ken could have bit him, he could have pulled a Hackney, he could have pulled a gun, but he didnt do anything but get choked the fuck out and then have his little nuthugger cry about it for him till the day he dies.
Like they said in the special, that match fucked Ken mentally. And you too obviously. Get over it bruh, I’m on my way to train in my GI have a nice day.
by SilverNBlackZach! on Sep 16, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Have fun training. Your right there is no real point in arguing this shit, Royce won fair and square. I agree that fight fucked Ken’s head mentally, thats the reason he dropped out of UFC 3, he was soo obsessed with revenge his judgement became clouded.
Cool, well you have a good one too. Theyre both legends to me.
by SilverNBlackZach! on Sep 16, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
how is that draw bullshit? How are you whining about the gi?
In UFC 1 gis were allowed. In UFC 5 there were no judges. You cannot apply 2010 mma rules to fights that happened back then.
The draw was bullshit because they fight was agreed to be no time limits and they changed it on them at the last second, imposing a time limit that screwed up Ken’s plan to totally dominate Royce over an extended period of time. The time change wasn’t really fair to both fighters.
Dude, how the fuck did that gi have anything to do with Ken not getting the heel hook? Ken dropped back, and Royce stayed upright and put his weight on the foot Ken was trying to twist. It’s 101 basics, and the defense works with or without the gi.
Royce’s gi was used against him too. Did you watch Hackney swing him around and throw bombs into his face? The gi will always be a part of TMAs, and the chokes, and the ability to grab someone by his clothes and use it against him was an extremely important part of the original test UFC provided—what martial art works better? You can’t send a BJJ guy or a Judo guy into a style-versus-style fight and tell him he can’t use his gi.
“Sorry, guy, this is a test to see who has a better style in situations where both people are half naked.”
Bandaka, are you Ken, or an ex student of his?
You're hilarious
A gi gives you more grip for a heel hook fyi. Think about that one really fast. What’s easier to grip? Sweaty ankle , or gi?
by IpullguardIRL on Sep 16, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What did you expect from a special called Ultimate Gracie?
It wasn’t revisionist, it just painted Gracie in a favorable light. If you didn’t expect that going in then I don’t know what to say.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 16, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I know they were going to suck his dick going into the thing, I can’t deny that. I actually enjoyed the show despite my criticisms and I really do love the Gracie clan. I just wished they could have had Ken Shamrock interviewed so he copuld tell his side of the story as well.
Wanna know what Ken would've said?
I won. Royce sucks.
You and I both know this, so what’s the difference?
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 16, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
1. Gi’s were legal, and they said it was a sleeve choke right there in the documentary. Besides what does it matter? He won way more fights by using the OTHER guy’s gi.
2. He got hit once really hard after they stood them back up. If there was no time limit, they never would have been stood back up, and Ken wouldn’t have stalled his way to a draw.
3. Are you surprised that a show called Ultimate Gracie, made by the UFC to promote their own roots, wasn’t some hard-hitting investigative piece?
I think there are other ways to achieve slick skin besides applying something directly to it. Correct me if I’m worng but, I’ve heard eating loads of garlic before a fight can make you slippery. Would that be against any rules?
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Wouldn't Herb Dean or Palhares have noticed that during the fight instructions?
I assume that’s why we have that little huddle in the beginning.
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Wouldn’t Herb Dean or Palhares have noticed that during the fight instructions?
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But wouldn't Herb Dean have noticed that?
I bet he checks not just for illegal chemicals, but also masking agents!
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Not if you're fighting Rampage.
“No poopoo breath” is in his contract.
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How did Rashad get past that clause? I’ve heard reports of halitosis.
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You didn't notice?
He was sponsored by Binaca.
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If it makes his skin slick, then there's a lubricant on the skin, directly applied or not
Palhares’ own people touched his legs and found nothing. Dean’s paper towel found no residue.
It really says alot that even after Palhares and his whole camp say that Nate wasn’t greasing that people are still bitching and complaining about it. Truly some people are either delusional or so filled with hate and anger that they can’t even think straight. Whatever the deal it’s pathetic and really shows how mma fans are getting just as bad as some wrestling fans these days.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
Devi's advocate: something to think about
While I firmly believe Palharis was mistaken about Nate and stupid on account of trying to get the refs attention, I’m going to play devil’s advocate and say that Palharis did in fact feel grease on Nate’s ankle because his immediate reaction on the ground looked genuine. So how could this happen?
Fighters get vasolined between rounds on the face. Nate had him in an inverted triangle on the ground, where his ankles and shins definitely rubbed up against Palharis’ face. Palharis went for the ankle immediately after that scramble and there you go.
Possibly scenario where both men are right.
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