Matt Hughes vs. BJ Penn 3 Targeted for UFC 123
by Nick Thomas on Sep 13, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
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According to matt-hughes.com:
Finally, Dana called me yesterday and we had an interesting conversation about the November 20th UFC in Detroit. More news about that down the road.
[UPDATE] - And his opponent is BJ Penn:
BJ Penn and Matt Hughes have agreed to meet at UFC 123 in Michigan. Welterweight bout.
Matt Hughes (45-7)
Win Ricardo Almeida - Technical Submission (Anaconda Choke) UFC 117
Win Renzo Gracie - TKO (Punches) UFC 112
Win Matt Serra - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 98
B.J. "The Prodigy" Penn (15-7-1)
Loss Frankie Edgar - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 118
Loss Frankie Edgar - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 112
Win Diego Sanchez - TKO (Doctor Stoppage) UFC 107
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Well that’s…interesting. But BJ needs to stay at one weight class. So if he’s going to fight at WW, stay there.
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by ChiCubs23 on Sep 13, 2010 7:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He’s not getting another LW title shot in the near future, so he might as well stay at 170 and eat well.
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by mburtoni on Sep 13, 2010 7:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s definitely at least more than a year and 3 or 4 big wins before being considered a contender in either division again.
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by mburtoni on Sep 13, 2010 8:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
3 wins at lightweight? Maybe if Frankie keeps the belt but if Gray beats Edgar it would really only take one BJ victory to get him another shot.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
I agree.
BJ was on a historic run at LW before Edgar blew him off the tracks.
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by RolloTomasi on Sep 14, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure it’s interesting. Matt/BJ III isn’t a tough sell IMO. I figured it would be Matt or Gomi for Penn’s next fight. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see him float between WW and LW for the time being. With two losses apiece to the champions of both divisions, BJ getting another title shot is out for the foreseeable future until GSP or Edgar lose.
If this fight happens
Hughes takes it pretty easy. Edgar already showed that Penn’s guard isn’t as dangerous as it once was and I don’t see Hughes having much trouble getting it to the ground. Hughes by decision.
On a separate note I’m definitely digging this Hughes retirement tour, maybe if he wins this upcoming fight he can fight Fitch. I think that match-up would be interesting as hell as far as seeing what Hughes has still got in the tank.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
on that note Lowell has Penns guard ever been really sub-dangerous. he usually seems to want to sweep from bottom and sub-hunt from top. i could be wrong tho
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Sep 13, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Dangerous doesn't exclusively mean subs, Penn didn't really set up any sweeps either.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even remember him being on his back
I mean its just so rare anyone even gets him there. Who knows what he does, but I don’t find his bottom game very dynamic anymore either for sweeping to dangerous posistions or threatening subs.
Hughes got owned by BJ on the ground in the last fight. If BJ’s in shape he’s going to batter Hughes by sprawl & brawl.
There last fight?
I could’ve sworn Hughes got him in the crucifix and pounded him. But that’s just me.
by Bloodsport on Sep 13, 2010 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
All that matters to me is who has there hand raised.
by Bloodsport on Sep 13, 2010 8:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Was that LOL aimed at yourself
If that’s all that matters to you why do you even watch fights? Why don’t you just check wikipedia the next day?
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by Neil Manich on Sep 13, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Well, BJ did win the first fight against Hughes...
So they’re 1-1 against each other. A third fight is anyone’s ball game at this point.
Best way to put it
My favorite football team my home team went undefeated an entire season was winning the superbowl then lost the last minute to the ny giants. All that matters is the end the beginning and middle are just what u go thru to get there.
by Bloodsport on Sep 13, 2010 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s just because your team choked, and they are cheaters.
Let’s talk MMA dammit
by RoB_ex on Sep 13, 2010 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
Haters gotta hate.
Brett farve John madden said everyone does it pats just got caught. That’s all I gotta say.
by Bloodsport on Sep 13, 2010 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm still bitter about that GODDAMNED TUCK RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SilverNBlackZach! on Sep 13, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But
You should be bitter about the last 8 years (and counting).
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by Rich Hansen on Sep 14, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t compare team sports to MMA. It doesn’t work like that.
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by ChiCubs23 on Sep 13, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, yes you can. He wasn’t comparing something that has any bearing on team or individual. It’s a worthwhile analogy, attributing solely to the fact that a win is a win, which is the case in any sport.
So yes, it does work like that.
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by ChillMike on Sep 13, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
We’ll see who does what this season.
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Oh I hate the Giants too :)
I was only rooting for them in that one game :)
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by ChillMike on Sep 13, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Penn supporters need to let this excuse go. Penn admitted he got injured because he wasn’t training properly and regularly.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It just gets irritating to hear the same thing every time this fight is brought up. “Penn was winning…until he lost.” Penn was winning in the beginning of the first Pulver fight too, and the first GSP fight, and the first Edgar fight, why it’s almost like he tends to fade as fights go on against gritty, game opponents that put pressure on him. Or maybe it was his ribs bugging him again. Guess it’s a chronic issue.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not excuses all of the time, dude.
BJ looks really good for awhile before he loses. It’s a pattern. Looked great for round 1 against GSP. Did well against Machida for a round when he backed him in to corners and cut off the ring. Picked apart Hughes on the feet early on.
Honestly, the thing that’s been neglected until now (and still now mostly) is that he does not adjust. He comes out and overwhelms on speed and talent, then his opponents make changes when they see the game isn’t working for them. BJ goes out and does the same shit still. His ring IQ is probably his greatest weakness. More than his conditioning or commitment, IMO.
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by pdl on Sep 13, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds to me like we're in agreement.
Penn fades after the first few rounds against top level opponents. That’s why I feel it’s unfair to chalk the Hughes loss up to some freak injury (essentially implying that it was a fluke) when Penn has a history of winning big at the outset and then trailing off if his opponent survives the initial flurry.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He beat Sherk at the end of 3. Florian in the 4th. Sanchez in the 5th. He also has a history of winning late, if you’re trying to establish a pattern.
http://www.instrength.com
You’ll try to say that they’re “not top level opponents”…but I’d argue that they are.
http://www.instrength.com
You missed a key point:
tends to fade as fights go on against gritty, game opponents that put pressure on him
Sanchez and Florian were both top level (at least at the time), but neither one was doing much of anything besides trying (and failing) to complete takedowns. Not exactly putting a ton of pressure on Penn in any area. Sherk was doomed from the outset because he couldn’t/wouldn’t go for takedowns against Penn and had nothing to offer on the feet. Again, couldn’t put any pressure on Penn and so he lost.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone is TRYING to put pressure on him. GSP and Hughes were the only successful ones. He faded late against a lot of guys that didn’t put pressure on him, he simply gassed because he wasn’t in shape. BJ lost a lot of fights for a lot of different reasons. There’s no way to define it as simply as you’re stating it, IMO. Edgar beat him with speed. Machida beat him with size.
You guys might be agreeing, but pdl’s explanation of it is a little closer to the truth.
http://www.instrength.com
Very true.
That whole fight Florian looked like a kid clinging to his mom because he didn’t want to be left all alone at day care. What an awful showing.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how much he fades,
he doesn’t adjust though, and his opponents can turn it up which gives that appearance. He goes in knowing what he wants and stubbornly sticks to it. BJ Penn with Floyd Mayweather ring IQ would be an unstoppable force.
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I totally agree
I feel like this is why Frankie beat him so bad the second time. It wasn’t that Frankie got much better, or BJ was much worse. The way you fight a fight is so important, far more important than your skillset. BJ needs to get a competent coach.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
Sounds like excuses
all of the time and lots of them.
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by James Dalton on Sep 14, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Breaking a rib in a fight isn't some sort of outside influence though.
Breaking a rib happened as a result of the fight. It is not less a part of the fight than a submission or a KO.
true,
but I doubt Hughes can count on it happening again.
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by RolloTomasi on Sep 14, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy said Penn owned him on the ground
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 13, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
no he didnt matt huges owned him with that crucifix
in matt’s words "this guy’s had a silver spoon in his mouth too long "or something like that before their last fight, its a quote from his book which is an interesting read to say the least
How bout Penn haters need to let their angry diaper accident go
or is your signature just a coincidence Lowell…
Quote is there more to commemorate Pulver’s greatest win than to hate on Penn, so I guess you would say coincidence. I don’t know what the fuck “angry diaper incident” is referring to so I’ll ignore that.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I regret the diaper accident comment, admittedly that was lame :-/
Just, I always felt that Lowell the Hammer does not like BJ Penn. And I want to know, from a man to another man, Lowell, do you like Penn? I just have to ask, one man to another… I just always got that vibe.
(Penn/Helwani interview reference)
the feeling i get, is that he’s a Penn hater, or at the very least, thinks that Penn is overrated. that’s the vibe i’m gettin
Not quite.
It’s not Penn that bothers me, it’s this particular case of a sizable portion of MMA fans writing off a gritty comeback by a tough veteran fighter because…Penn won the first two rounds? It’s ridiculous.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed.
“The second fight saw BJ Penn dominating Matt Hughes for the first two rounds both with his striking as well as his successful takedown defense. BJ Penn appeared to have run out of steam in the third round. There was talk that BJ Penn sustained an injury at some point in the latter part of round two but most people seem to attribute his lack of stamina in round three to his lack of cardio and conditioning. Regardless of the reason the end doesn’t change” …rest of article from July 10th ….http://www.fightswewant.com/blog.cfm?feature=1491310&postid=351584
by FW on Sep 13, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Hughes took Penn down immediately in Rd 2 and landed punches and elbows. Penn got the sweep and tried to turn it into an inverted triangle, but Hughes escaped before the bell. Penn spent the vast majority of the round on his back getting hit.
In Rd 3, Hughes smashe Penn on the feet, took him down, passed guard, got the Hughes-ifix, and smashed BJ with elbows until he got the TKO.
by Hardcharger on Sep 13, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll assume you re-watched the fight too after reading that. Penn fans are probably the biggest proponents of revisionist history in the sport besides Dana.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hughes is not a world beater anymore
look at Hughes vs Serra II
Since 2001
Only three men have beat Hughes. Yes BJ Penn is one of them, the other two are GSP and Alves.
The demise of Matt Hughes has been grossly exaggerated.
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I never said demise
I said he is not a world beater. He is not the invincible guy he was. Old hughes would mowed through serra and (btw last post meant hughs vs serra I) instead I though Serra won.
If not it was close.
Natan106....
I thought Serra won as well. Like the first Hughs/Carlos Newton fight…I think Hughs was just as suprised he go the win on Serra that night.
by FW on Sep 13, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
hughes serra 2?… lol they only faught once.
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
hughes will go down
and bj will take the series
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 13, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
yes
looks like he’s doing the “big fights” tour that Hughes is doing
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
He has talked about retirement before
I could definately see him getting one more big win and saying “peace out ufc”
Yeah I get that vibe too...
Just don’t tell Luke, I heard WWE has retirement matches too.
by Danny Glover on Sep 13, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Penn is going to go back up to 170,
I’d rather see him fight Nate Diaz, and then have Hughes fight Fitch.
He also said he had no interest in Koscheck.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 14, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions
thought you were serious for a second
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 13, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the white Manhoef!
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by RobertGBP on Sep 13, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol
Hughes is the anti Manhoef, white ground guy with terrible standup.
If Manhoef fought another kickboxer exclusively on the ground in a sloppy ground war it would be the antithesis to Hughes vs Renzo and thus complete the analogy.
by natan106 on Sep 13, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I rec’d that one, but it kinda already happened. Kongo vs Herring was pretty much two strikers wrestling one another.
Herring's wrestling is awful
Always has been.
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by Neil Manich on Sep 14, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been saying this for a while.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 13, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 13, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
I am surprised this fight is happening.
If Penn loses, his career is pretty much over and he will be stuck on the senior circuit. There really isn’t a ton of upside for him outside of visibility. Penn pretty much needs to blow Hughes out of the water.
Yes
This fight or Gomi makes the most sense for BJ at the moment. Very excited!
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I'm very up for this
I am a huge fan of rubber matches…
If Hughes wins this, and Hallman beats Parisyan, I’d like Hughes-Hallman 3…but thats just my random wish.
If Penn wins, then he settles his trilogy with Hughes with a win over someone who is on a 3 fight win streak, and is solidly in the 170 division
CPG
Hughes vs Fitch, Penn vs Guida
fuck that… Matt Hughes should fight Jon Fitch and beat his boring ass once and for all… BJ Penn needs a rebound fight with someone like Clay Guida.
Matt Hughes vs Jon “i’m boring” Fitch
BJ Penn vs Clay Guida
Make it happen Joe Silva!
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions
I think Fitch would beat Hughes and somehow I don’t believe your username
by IRodC on Sep 13, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
in case anyone was wondering Beer monster is in fact a monster.
He’s like the cookie monster only drunker.
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drunker
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 13, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
“Drunker” was the part of That statement you most had a problem with???
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 13, 2010 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i was
Just trying to vouch for ya is all.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 13, 2010 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hahaha im glad you dont believe my username. hope it makes u feel better about yourself.
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a creative username. Congratulations
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It just makes everyone assume you are an idiot.
I don’t really care either way but just letting you know, you look like a 4’8" cowboy driving a lifted truck.
Mothers know nothing about creeping marauders burrowing through the snow toward the kitchen where only you and you alone stand between your tiny, huddled family and insensate evil.
by Barack Lesnar on Sep 13, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
haha thats funny but im actually 5’6
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
and you can’t legally drive right?
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 13, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
Point proven
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 13, 2010 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lmao
Point proven
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Sep 13, 2010 9:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha oh and u guys dont need to assume im an idiot… i am an idiot. plus im not really here to talk about what anyone thinks of me… im here to talk about mma.
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
His point was, it’s really hard to take anything you say serious with a stupid user name like that.
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Dude, why take him seriously?
He’s obviously either gonna get that account banned for the ridiculous name or is trolling. So either ignore it or enjoy it.
For the record, my clock is huge too.
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by pdl on Sep 13, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pdl
You’ve got the biggest clock of anyone I know. The ladies must go crazy when you show them your clock. The men must all be jealous of your grand and glorious clock.
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Yeah dude, and bitches all want a piece of my balls.
Immaturity and puns. It’s a wonderful life, isn’t it?
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hahaha worldisart… my point is i dont care if anyone takes me serious or not on a message board
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what ive been doing… duh. notice i made those comments about hughes fitch and penn guida for the millionth time… youre the one who keeps bringing up the username… get a sense of humor.
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
and you should realize writing something once is enough
by IRodC on Sep 13, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahah should I?… well im glad u think so. thanks for your advice.
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Ariel Helwani on Twitter
BJ Penn and Matt Hughes have agreed to meet at UFC 123 in Michigan
fuck dude… looks like Penn is about to lose 3 in a row… Penn should be fighting someone like Guida for a rebound fight. Hughes needs to fight Fitch!
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This gives BJ an excuse not to watch his weight. I don’t like this AT ALL. Really bummed it’s not Gomi or Guida.
And Hughes should fight an AKA guy.
Being overrated is overrated.
thats what ive been saying all along
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear spaghetti monster that art in heaven!!!!
Let Bj clown this Guy!!!!
Amen
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Sep 13, 2010 8:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This card just got a lot more interesting,
Machida/Rampage
Penn/Hughes 3
niiiiiiiiiice
Guida is fighting Gomi next supposedly.. and this is a huge match, it might mean BJ actually fuckin trains hard, i heard rumours he only trained 3 days a week for the rematch with Edgar, if its true and he does it again Hughes will add another loss to his record!!
Makes sense to me
Bj looked horrible in his last fight. Hughes surprised the hell outta everyone in his last fight, and everyone dicounts their last match on account of BJs rib.
No sense in having BJ beat up contenders right now, and this buys enough time for Edgar to get exposed.
by RoB_ex on Sep 13, 2010 8:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
…and the outgoing lions shall determine their places in the next world’s pecking order…
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by mburtoni on Sep 13, 2010 8:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also, doesn’t this mean Hughes will miss the hunting season this winter? I guess Hughes / Penn 3 is good news for steers everywhere.
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by mburtoni on Sep 13, 2010 8:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
He heard that BJ Penn was in season:)
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 13, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
“&$@*%‘s got an eatin’ problem, wus he gonna do?, eat some mo’.”
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by mburtoni on Sep 13, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. I’m excited to see this one live, but it’s a good excuse for BJ to fail to get in top shape. I guess it will be a kind of measuring stick to see how he does against Hughes again, but I’d rather see him fight at LW. Diaz or Sotiropoulus would have been better
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 13, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Why.
No thanks. No excitement about this fight at all. Gomi vs. Penn made a hell of a lot more sense. Hughes would be a good test for Diaz.
On form u would have 2 take Hughes
He’s looked much better in his last 3 fights than BJ has .. And people should stop with their " if a focused in shape bj shows up " talk , the BJ of late is prob not getting any better
so then Dad goes and turns the knife on her .. then he turns to me and sez ........................................... Why so Serious ??
by RearNakedBloke on Sep 13, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If the BJ from last year shows up,
blah, blah, blah.
If BJ doesn’t give a fuck, why should I?
The last two times they fought, it pretty much showed an in-shape BJ whoops Matt Hughes. One more for old time’s sake, I guess. Why not?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 13, 2010 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think it showed that at all, since Hughes smashed Penn in the 2nd fight after spending the entire 1st round trading punches without getting hurt at all.
I'm biased towards Polynesians.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 13, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
and Hawaiian
"Even Hulkamania wouldn't get you out of this hold"
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart."
by the-gentle-way on Sep 14, 2010 12:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's flat out not Hawaiian :(
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
He’s Hawaiian, but not Polynesian.
He looks the part though.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ 'The Hybrid' Penn
Seeing how he’s no longer the prodigy. :P
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 14, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It all feels like a lie now
We, the voices behind the face,
Of the Hawaiian nation, the Hawaiian race
Are we really, BJ?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 14, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome
perfect fight.
Why the hell didn’t I think of this?
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
Just an observation
Compare 120 and 122 (Spike) to 121 and 123 (PPVs) and tell me if you notice anything. Seems obvious to me the former is being used as a way to whore out the latter cards.
I’m not sure I understand the point of this fight. Oh well, 123 looks great.
4 years, 4 coaches, 7 league road wins, 0 playoff games, 1 GM. Fire Mo Johnston.
HUGHES vs FITCH
PENN vs GUIDA
those are the fights that need to happen… this is just another taint in BJs legacy after he loses his 3rd straight.
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Enough already
You’ve made your opinion well known, if you are here to talk MMA, talk about the matchups that have been made and not the one’s you want to see that are not happening.
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by James Dalton on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
he has no friends
Mothers know nothing about creeping marauders burrowing through the snow toward the kitchen where only you and you alone stand between your tiny, huddled family and insensate evil.
by Barack Lesnar on Sep 13, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what they say when someone brags about the size of their junk. the reality is........
by BeeTrain on Sep 13, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha thats usually the case but i cant help it.. im proud
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
im glad u put in all the effort to find and upload that pic tho
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
hey.. thats better than 9 seconds. once again, thanks for the invested effort.
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
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by RolloTomasi on Sep 14, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope they reconsider
There are other matchups with these guys that are much more interesting and that make much more sense. I guess if both of them have been clamoring for the rematch I could see why, but I haven’t heard either of them really talk about this in forever.
i am a huge Penn fan
I love this fight, I think this will motivate BJ to train. I dont think Penn ever felt like he would lose in the LW division, and he didnt feel like he had to train. Hughes will get the blood flowing in Penn. I still think Hughes wins. But Want Penn
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Rather see Fitch vs Penn.
But I hope Hughes wins this one just because I want to see BJ’s reaction when he does.
i just wanna see fitch lose and penn win.. who do u think would win that?
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
No way he is able to handle Fitch’s wrestling. It would be like GSP/Penn all over again, except Penn probably won’t end up in the hospital afterwards. He’d just be hugged for three rounds.
123 is shaping up as a solid night of fights
While I will definitely be going to 124 in Montreal to see GSP/Kos, I might try to squeeze this show in as well.
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If there anything like they were for the last three Montreal shows
$75 for nosebleeds, $150 for the next bowl down.
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ugh….how big is the arena? i just went to 118 in boston and the prices were about the same – 75-125 nosebleed/balcony. thankfully my gf hooked me up for my b-day and we had really good seats. is there a big buzz about GSP/Kos up there? i’m just not feelin it here in the states. GSP easy UD
Molson Centre is way bigger. I think it seats over 21k for MMA, Boston was 14.5 or so. And there’s not a ton of buzz yet, but TUF will help.
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I've been to all three shows in Montreal
All three were packed and this will be no different, especially not with the champ fighting at home.
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Penn should win because he'll have the speed advantage
Assuming Penn trains properly for this and comes to the fight in shape, he should have the advantage in the stand-up and will also be able to stuff Hughes TDs.
Penn by TKO 2nd round.
hey jw did Penn stop training with the Marinovich bros for the Edgar fights?
by my cock is huge on Sep 13, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
Wow they moved Penn to the senior circuit quick.....
I like BJ and Matt, but I didn’t see BJ taking a fight like this. I thought he’d go for LW contendership. Maybe he’s given up on LW and titles and is happy just to get as many PPV buys as possible. This fight screams that fact.
Yeah just because one guy has Penn's number stylistically speaking doesn't mean Penn is done.
Same goes for Machida with Shogun.
i dont like this at all
stay at lightweight bj, please
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
BJ at WW?
But whatever, it’s not like I’m dying to see what awaits him at LW anyway.
I'm a lover not a fighter
Could BJ vs Matt Serra II be far behind?
BJs boxing vs the Serra short armed power.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
i loved that first fight
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 13, 2010 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't lie
you never saw that first fight.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by Geno Mrosko on Sep 14, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Surprisingly, I LOVE this matchup
And I actually think it’s going to be competitive.
wait....what?
I aint into this shit. :|
Proud member of the newly established Frankie Edgar bandwagon
Cain will beat Brock, I am accepting sig bets.
Screw it
Why the hell not? If BJ is going to get another title or title shot he’s going to have to beat a slew a great wrestlers in both weight classes so lets finish up some business with Matt Hughes first. I like it.
Pumped for this. BJ needs to get back into the W column.
by seanerk88 on Sep 13, 2010 11:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Excellent. Tis interesting that this was the fight that looked light it was going to get made once Penn manhandled Edgar in Abu Dhabi. That didn’t happen, but here we are anyway.
I’ve got Penn to take this.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
If Penn loses this
Put him on suicide watch. If Hughes loses this, put him out in his deer stand.
by Cocytus on Sep 14, 2010 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Has Hughes ever not had a shit-eating grin on his face after losing? Does that guy just not care about losing fights?
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
Only lost to 3 men since 01.
2 of which will be in the UFC HoF. Guy should be smiling.
I don't think this is a good fight for Hughes...
To me, Matt appears to have lost the fire since losing to GSP. His stand-up is exactly the same as it was four years ago. I see BJ tagging him a few times to set up the submission victory.
Did you watch his last fight?
He steamrolled Almeda in one round. Seems like the fire is back to me…..
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I did watch his last fight
I was both happy and shocked to see him win. Five years ago, I thought that Matt Hughes was virtually unbeatable at WW.
Having lost to GSP twice (badly) and Alves, I believe that Matt knows he can’t beat the top guys in the division now. It’s just my opinion, but I think his heart is on the farm, and with his family.
He hasn’t shown me any kind of evolution as a fighter to adopt to the new style of fighting. It seems like he is simply taking fights that he thinks he can win, which is why I am surprised he is taking this one. Maybe he thinks he can beat BJ with strength and wrestling.
by funkywanderer on Sep 14, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like this fight for both. I’m a little surprised that Hughes would take this fight though being that he just whooped on Almeida, who isn’t just a middling guy. This doesn’t really take him anywhere in the division. I get that he might not be going for a title shot, but if he beat another guy of Almeida’s stature, he wouldn’t have been able to help going for it. But as a fan, I’m amped up to see round 3 of this matchup. Also, seems to me that Machida/Rampage could be good enough to sell a ppv, so why waste such a marketable fight? I would think they would use this a strong headliner to get people to buy a weaker in-between card.
I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a big win, but does it really help him in the pecking order?
by Steven Abbott on Sep 14, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
how could it not?
A year ago BJ was top 7-8 P4P in the world.
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I guess I just don’t see him as that valuable at 170 at this moment, not based on skills, just on lack of recent results. I still see him as a top fighter, but this just seems like a lateral move to me. Business-wise it’s a fantastic move for both of them and the UFC (though I still think it could’ve headlined its own card).
by Steven Abbott on Sep 14, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ is a NAME
everyone knows BJ Penn. If Hughes wins it would be big time.
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by RolloTomasi on Sep 14, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Matt Hughes not already a name?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
He doesn’t just need a name, he needs the next step on the ladder.
by Steven Abbott on Sep 14, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot can change in a year. I don’t see how most people, who aren’t BJ fans, won’t see this as a fight that Hughes has to win given that BJ was just outwrestled by a far smaller and less accomplished (outside MMA) wrestler.
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by The Darkness on Sep 14, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's must win for both guys.
BJ more so.
Hughes is on a nice 3 fight winstreak.
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Cesar Gracie is the man.
I wanna see CG fight team against RG Academy. A bunch of bad ass match ups in those two camps.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 14, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
209
What?! Cesar Gracie fight team!
If they had old school dojo vs dojo, they’d win or be DQ’d every time.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 14, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Top 4-5 IMO
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 14, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This is horrible
It’s another wasted fight for BJ. If he wants to go out a legend, you don’t do it by beating up on old WW champs. BJ even said after the GSP losses that hughes looked so bad he doesn’t even want to fight him.
If BJ had trained and had any sort of gameplan against Frankie, he wouldn’t be in this situation. Why doesn’t he just get his act together and start kicking tail in LW again.
I heard Jordan Breen say this and it’s true about Penn. The difference between Frankie/GSP is that if they could’ve taken an opponent down at will and mounted them in 5 seconds, like BJ did to Frankie, then they would’ve done it all day.
If BJ had trained and had any sort of gameplan against Frankie, he wouldn’t be in this situation. Why doesn’t he just get his act together and start kicking tail in LW again.
I wonder how many times BJ is going to have to lose before his fans finally stop saying, “If BJ had trained…” Sometimes a loss is a loss. I just think Frankie has BJ’s number 9 times out of 10. That said, I like Penn in this fight. I think he’ll beat Hughes.
Matt Hughes beating up
Bj for my first ufc event.
I’m content with this. Hughes is my favorite WW
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by We All Hate Caleb on Sep 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Random thoughts
BJ went for the pay day. I don’t see how this furthers his (dubious) legacy or makes sense from any other perspective.
I would like to see him train outside Hawaii for this fight so we can see what he has left.
He could definitely beat Hughes (who I don’t think is washed up), but unless he does so in a one-sided fashion with a good finish, I don’t see too many people getting excited about a victory
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I laughted at first when I saw the headline,
but the more I think about it, the more I like this rubbermatch. Should be a good one if Hughes really is back and Penn has his act together. The last thing I want to see is two unmotivated fighters in the cage.
It's a good move by the UFC
For BJ, if he beats a WW, he reclaims his status as a top 10 P4P fighter. If he loses, he not really in any worse a position in terms of how people view his standing at LW.
For Hughes, a win makes him credible again. You can put a prospect through him for a title shot instead of the Fitch-Koscheck gauntlet at the top.
Also, if Maynard loses against Edgar, BJ going to WW also prevent him from being the LW version of Fitch, where he kicks everyone’s ass and people question whether any contender deserves a shot at Edgar.
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