UFC Veterans Keith Jardine, Sokoudjou Take Big Career Steps Back at Shark Fights 13, Paul Daley Narrowly Escapes Same Fate
by Nate Wilcox on Sep 12, 2010 4:32 AM EDT
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Keith Jardine went to Amarillo, Texas and lost his fifth straight fight to a puffed up middleweight in Trevor Prangley. Leading up to the bout, Jardine spoke of nothing but his desire to notch an impressive win and get a quick ticket back to the UFC. Those plans will have to be put on hold for now.
Jardine specifically avoided talking to Strikeforce because he didn't want to get cross-ways with the UFC brass by working for their sole remaining major competitor. Now that he lost a decision to Prangley, Jardine may no longer have an option open with Strikeforce and instead may be consigned to the MMA wilderness looking for a win somewhere, anywhere.
There's no doubt that Prangley remains a top-notch MMA fighter, but Keith Jardine desperately needed a win to get his career back on track. Instead the Jardine train is completely and utterly derailed. As desperate as Strikeforce is for light heavyweights, he should only need to pick up a win or two to be attractive to them. Hell, as desperate as Strikeforce has been, they might sign him off six straight losses anyway.
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou came into his Shark Fights bout against Houston Alexander with less lofty ambitions.4-4 since being cut by the UFC, the 26 year old fighter has hung on to little of the luster he had as a 23 year old coming into the UFC as a top 10 fighter. That was after he burst into the LHW top 10 with back-to-back KO wins over PRIDE stars Antonio Rogerio "Little Nog" Nogueira and Ricardo Arona.
But Sokoudjou has completely failed to develop as a fighter. After he shocked Nog and Arona with quick KO wins, other fighters have learned that he has little to offer after the initial blitz. Tonight he again faded after dominating early in the fight against Alexander. But when he couldn't finish him in the first, he quickly faded in the second and Alexander wasted little time in hurting and then finishing him once he was gassed. Of course a pair of illegal headbutts and some hair pulling helped Alexander too.
For his part, recent UFC contender and current #10 welterweight in the USAT/SBN Consensus MMA Rankings, Paul Daley narrowly escaped a loss in Amarillo. Earlier this week he was doing interviews scorning the UFC and talking up his desire for a fight against Strikeforce champ Nick Diaz, tonight he found himself digging deep for a late come back against Jorge Masvidal.
The veteran Masvidal is a tough fighter, but as a puffed up lightweight who couldn't make it to the finals of the Bellator tournament, he's not somone who should be giving Daley so much trouble.
The thing is, for fighters like Jardine, Sokoudjou and Daley, who have fallen from the sport's top promotion, that next step down is a doozy. MMA is a merciless binary system. In every fight, someone has to lose. Taking a big pay cut and fighting for a much smaller audience doesn't guarantee any drop in competition levels. Nor does it guarantee a win. And once you've lost at Shark Fights, it's going to be very hard to claw your way back to the top.
Jonathan Snowden's interview with Chris Wilson showed the difficulties a fighter faces once he falls from the major promotion perch. Wilson, a UFC veteran who hasn't been able to find a fight since being cut in late 2009. Here's Wilson:
It's not really abnormal but it seems more and more that everyone wants you to get some wins before they consider giving you a fight. If, for example, Bellator, Shine, MFC, Tachi Palace, SharkFights, Strikeforce, Sengoku, and Dream say "Get some wins," then where exactly do I fight to get some wins. Is a fighter who has made it into the UFC but hasn't broken top 10 not good enough for an upper-level or mid-level promotion? It doesn't make a lot of sense. It's almost sad really, that after leaving the UFC you have to start all the way back at zero in Mom'n'Pops shows. There are people in those and every organization that are true talents and deserve to be there but some of them would stand little chance against me but I can't fight them because I have losses in the UFC... the UFC. It's frustrating to say the least.
Shark Fights 13 was an anomaly among regional MMA events. The promoters spared no expense and aimed squarely at a national PPV audience of hard-core MMA fans with a stacked card full of familiar names including nearly 10 UFC veterans. Cards like this are the rarest bird in MMA and certainly not something that fighters can bank on. I'd honestly be astonished to see any of the fighters from this card except Prangley and maybe Houston Alexander return to Amarillo anytime soon.
It will be very interesting to see where Jardine and Sokoudjou go from here and if they can pick up the pieces of their once brilliant MMA careers.
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Good piece, but Little Nog is Rogerio, not Rodrigo.
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oh crap
thanks!
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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 12, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is what will happen
Shows like Shark Fights will continue to book fighters like Sokoudjou and Jardine as if nothing happened. This is a time of great abundance for guys like them. It isn’t even the same world as someone like Chris Wilson who never had much of a following to begin with.
Good piece overall once again Kid
But i wish you would note the good performances of Prangley, Masvidal, Saffedine, and Villefort. Performances that should really boost all of the aforementioned fighters stocks seriously. BTW i was hearing that Masvidal has been having difficulties cutting to 155, therefore to consider him only as a 155 vs a 170, we should recognize the style match up that was presented that went farily predictable, but was a fight that was dependent on how Masvidal performed in his wrestling. I don’t consider this a terrible showing for Daley it was a solid performance though.
yeah I was aware of that as I was writing
but face it, few cared about those guys going into this card and few care now. It wasn’t a Prangley win as much as a Jardine loss. Villefort did get some momentum IMO. Saffedine’s upswing continues. But is Masvidal any closer to getting with a major promotion? I don’t know.
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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 12, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That is very true that the attention was very minimal for all those that i mentioned, and understand where you are coming from. But because of that lack of attention to them i believe their performances should be highlighted. Masvidal i don’t know if he is any closer but with the performance he put with a Top 10 fighter should really boost him in the rankings and i still hope SF will sign him, at worst he is an excellent Gate Keeper.
I dont know though
Maybe brilliant isnt the best word, but he knocked out a young prime forrest, beat liddell when it mattered, lost a bullshit decision(imo) to bonnar, and gave rampage all he could handle. That’s a pretty impressive resume right there. A majority of fighters will never be a champion, but most of them will never hold nearly as impressive records as jardine did when he first started fighting for the ufc promotion.
by chunkyass on Sep 12, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Don't forget
he also defeated Brandon Vera
lasting five years at the top of the sport
is a pretty incredible accomplishment. Let’s not forget that 99.999% of MMA fighters are not GSP or Matt Hughes. I’m comparing Jardine to the Joey Villasenior’s of the world.
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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 12, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well so much for Jardine coming back to the UFC anytime soon that was pathetic, Keith should have had no problems handling Prangley who’s on the downside of his career. But no the guy seems to still have the same problems and hasn’t worked on fixing them there is no way he should be getting dropped by punches from Trevor. Time to either change things up for good or resign yourself to being in the small time because this ain’t going to cut it.
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well..
His main problem is he doesn’t fight.
He moves and kicks some, throws some lame punches.
He only fought for the last 20 seconds.
It definitely wasn’t like prison sex, was it Don…
by Polyhedron on Sep 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
good piece
with soko and jardine it all depends on whether or not tonight will be a night of revelation or not. they both have a ton of talent but there are glaring and significant problems in their game that must be addressed or they’ll fade away into the mma horizon
i don’t understand how soko can still be gassing……surely by now he has learned that he has to work his cardio if he wants to get wins. but the proof is in the puddin so to speak and he’s falling victim to the same problems he’s faced throughout his career and showing no signs of working on or improving this part of his game. so if the question is where does soko go from here. then the answer is he works on his cardio or walks away from competition.
jardine needs to learn to use form and technique or he will continue to lose.f his style is glamourized by being called “unorthodox” the plain and simple truth is he’s just sloppy. if he isn’t willing to completely reinvent himself then he’ll continue to lose. my guess is he’ll fade off into obscurity just the same as soko because neither has seemed to realize the problems plaguing them and i don’t think they will.
daley acts like a diva who is better than he is he has shown he has no discipline and no respect for his bosses the sport or the fans as if punching kos after the bell didn’t show this he also has missed weight like forty three times in the past year.
daley while an amazing striker lacks the complete arsenal that is needed to consistantly compete and win at a mid to top level. he’ll get some good wins because he’s a great striker with big power but he’ll also catch alot of losses along the way.
he needed a dominant win with a highlight reel finish to get promoters who might wanna hire him in the future to overlook his lack of respect and believe him to be the diva he thinks he is. his stock dropped tonight as well in my eyes
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 12, 2010 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So you dont think Strikeforce will still come after Daley? I do. After Diaz-Noons 2 and baring a Jay Heiron return Strikeforce has very little at 170.
I dont disagree his stock dropped tonight but I still think the only people that are not interested in Paul Daley’s services are the UFC.
i dunno
of course they’d still hire him
but with his weight cutting problems and his lack of self control he’s a liability
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 12, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Soko "gassed"
more due to the 2 illegal headbutts that the ref did nothing about. Headbutts will rock you pretty damn good and he had no time to recover
by TylerTreese on Sep 12, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He gassed, because he always gasses.
The headbutts were pretty obvious, but they came at the end of the round, and even if the ref took a point from Alexander, he still won via TKO, so it’s kinda moot.
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Yeah, a lot of that.
I’m baffled at Soko’s still huge lack of cardio/conditioning…I mean, if I were him, I would have gone crazy about cardio long ago. I just don’t get it. At the same time, I have a bit of sympathy for Alexander’s situation(he’s a single father of 7) and was glad to see him pull out the comeback over a guy as dangerous as Soko. He has a lot of heart and I’d love to see him put together a solid streak and maybe get another shot in the UFC or even get picked up by StrikeForce.
I hate Daley, I just hate him, I was hoping he’d lose…seriously though, how many times has this guy missed weight in recent years? I want an actual number, from what I recall, he missed at 108, I don’t know if he missed for his first fight out of the UFC, and I know he missed this time…so he consistently misses weight and isn’t exactly starching guys in amazing fashion. He is slowly going to drop out of the high rank he hit while in the UFC…then he’ll lose eventually.
CPG
hard to respect houston
after two deliberate head butts
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by Johnathan Willis on Sep 12, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Despite the headbutts and hair grabbing, Soko's cardio failed once again.
No matter what Houston did, he’ll still would’ve kicked Soko’s gassed ass.
Yes really hard
And I m not really a fan of the hand / fingers on the face when you re on top. Especially when you take care that some fingers go in the eyes.
Makes you think and question the true quality of the UFC.
Is it really the best fighters in the world fighting the best?
Overall, probably. But if Daley almost got a title shot and Jardine was hopping around for years… people have to ratchet down the talk about the UFC being the best fighters fighting the best.
Hell Yes
there are extremly good reason’s Jardine, Daley, Alexander and Soko are not in the octagon right now.
by MattParker117 on Sep 12, 2010 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen this kind of post at a lot of sites I go to.
I think the answer is: At the tip top, yes. But then there are guys like Sam Stout or Chris Lytle who are on the 3rd fight of a main card to satisfy the stand and bang needs of the audience. Or TUF guys or people that generally associate with the UFC because of the sheer number of UFC fights and/or highlights they’ve created.
At those levels, sure, there are guys just as good out there in other promotions. But to reach the elite and challenge for a UFC belt you have go through a gauntlet of varying styles. Of course, there are exceptions. Some guys get their push. But if I flipped the argument for say someone like KJ Noons — he might get a title shot soon. But in the UFC, he eventually runs into a bad style matchup and gets flattened.
The real truth of these things is that the UFC has a combination of majority elite fighters combined with multiple avenues to market the names they have, creating their own reality. Jardine’s and Daley’s performances tonight can chip away at that, but it won’t ever be so much that the UFC can’t work through it.
Personally, I’m just glad that these guys are getting fights and I hope these regional promotions can keep doing what they’re doing and pay these guys well.
by Revolver on Sep 12, 2010 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The UFC has by far the largest quantity of top talent fighting at any given time, but with that said it’s equally obvious that the don’t have a lockdown on the best talent. They way the sport is, it’s impossible for them to do. First off, there is nothing like the youth systems, development leagues, and amateur associations to assist in scouting and filtering the fighters. This isn’t the ATP, where players rise through the amateurs than work their way up through the smaller tournaments before earning their place in the major events, the talent being weeded along the way. Secondly, numerous smaller promotion are going to pay better to retain a second tier star than what the UFC seems to be willing to pay (or in Fedor’s case, a first tier). While that doesn’t mean the very best aren’t in the UFC, a lot of their spots are taken up by TUF alumni who provide more star power than talent thanks to their TV exposure, and several what-the-hell-are-they-doing-there names like Phil Baroni. And finally, with basically only 25 spots a year available they really don’t have the room to hold more than half of the real top 25. In the actual rankings they might hold nore, but at any given time I’d wager that there are several top 25 fighters on the outside looking in because they haven’t been given the chance to prove themselves on a bigger stage.
by John Nash on Sep 12, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there's also the huge variables in performance
MMA is such a merciless individual sport that even if a given fighter would beat another fighter 75% of the time, if on the night they meet he has the flu or a nagging injury or is in the wrong frame of mind, etc he’ll end up losing. I’d wager to say that on any given day there are dozens of unknown fighters who could beat anyone on the top 10 lists save the champs — and as Matt Serra showed us, maybe not even the champs are safe on a bad night.
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Considering the fact that neither is in the UFC right now i’d say that anwers that question, both guys are talented and both got exposed in the UFC the rest is just reaching.
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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 12, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't understand how people can express outrage at the idea of Liddell fighting again
and not give two words to the idea of Jardine doing the same. I am a fan of the guy, but he has taken lots of damage and clearly won’t be working for a tittle (maybe in any promotion) at any point from here on out. I don’t want to see this take too much damage.
He's not getting KO'd
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by Nate Wilcox on Sep 12, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Jardine has more losses by KO than anything else
he has gotten brutally knocked out quite a few times recently: Wanderlei, Houston Alexander, Bader & Thiago Silva
by TylerTreese on Sep 12, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i was just playing devil's advocate =P
in no way do I think Jardine shouldn’t be fighting again.
by TylerTreese on Sep 12, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I would really like to see Jardine retire
Hopefully after this loss he does.
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Soko should drop some weight if he wants to have a career in MMA. He looks like he’s spending too much time weight lifting.
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well soukoudjou
Have stints with DREAM and Strikeforce i think that pretty decent.
Same goes for daley who i believe just signed a six fight deal.
Like thales leites said there is definitely a life after the ufc.
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by robinhorobson on Sep 12, 2010 4:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
the hate is really strong for daley these days. i thought it was a solid performance, great scrambles, great body shots and a great takedown of his own. it was definitely a 29-28 fight though. the heat has turned up on daley since his cut and i dont see why as people loved him in the ufc.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 6:07 AM EDT reply actions
He had the power, style, and mouth
to potentially shake up the WW division. But with his extreme case of sour grapes, he showed that his power and style can be nullified, and he can’t back up a thing he says.
He really should have just mashed up Jorge but he got schooled 2nd round and needed wrestling to seal the 3rd (whch isn’t a bad thing, just supremely ironic).
what do you mean potentially shake up? were two tko stoppages not good enough? people were all over kampmanns balls when he last fought yet daley made him look like a scrub. people already knew that his power could be stopped when they watched him fight shields. the exact same can be said about thiago alves look at him when he has fought two wrestlers he looks just as bad as daley no one has written him off.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Alves showed a lot more
getting up off the floor against Fitch and GSP than Daley imo.
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by Broke Lesnar on Sep 12, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
he was still getting taken down at will
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends what you mean by written off
Alves has received the same criticism for his weight cutting problems as Daley has. Alves is no longer viewed as an immediate contender much like Daley.
The criticism of Daley is less of him as a fighter but more of the poor choices he’s made. I mean if I’m Scott Coker I’m really hesitant to sign a fighter with and attitude problem that has trouble making weight. Paul Daley isn’t such a huge talent at 170 that he can get away with that kind of stuff without raising some questions.
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if im scott coker im looking asap to sign daley, imo. he is a perfect fight for nick diaz and for the fans. he doesnt have the wrestling to scare nick out of the fight and he can hype a fight. however it is scott coker and him aswell as his booking team never make the right decisions.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
So many problems booking that fight
Between Diaz and Daley there are a handful of ways that could go sour before the fight starts. First of all, Daley has to make weight and Diaz has to make sure he doesn’t fuck up his licensing over pot issues again.
I’m not saying it’s a fight I don’t make but I don’t rush into it and I make sure both guys aren’t going to fuck me on it. You may want to ignore the lack of professionalism both these guys have shown in their careers, but Scott Coker as a promoter can’t afford to do that.
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I personally give Daley a tune up fight, Zaromskis or Cyborg to make sure he makes weight and both fights are guaranteed barn burners. Let him call out Nick Diaz, have them square of in the cage and maybes Strikeforce can make an online primetime for the fight.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They could even market it as bad boy vs bad boy, just give the casual a reason to be interested, something Strikeforce suck at and something the UFC excels at.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No tune ups, no face offs
Book the fight and make sure both guys no that there will be consequences if they fuck up. You don’t want to put two hot heads like that into a face off in the cage, you’re just asking for another embarrassing incident.
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no tune up and no face off? so give strikeforce no footage to build the fight? that makes no sense. you need to make a fan interested in the fight, throwing it straight in there does nothing to hype it.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't piss away the match you wanna make
If Daley loses or they have an incident in the cage the fight goes away altogether. Strikeforce should have learned from trying to build a Fedor/Overeem fight. If the fight you want is Diaz/Daley then you book Diaz/Daley and don’t dick around with “tune-up” fights. Daley is plenty ready to go.
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by Worldisart on Sep 12, 2010 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but if you make Daley vs Cyborg you get hype out of that fight. Even if Daley loses they make a contender out of Cyborg. Look how much the UFC used the square off between Page and Hashad, don’t tell me that didnt help hype the fight. Have enough security in the cage to make sure it all goes smoothly no CG Fight Team no Rough House, just them two their corners and security.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
look at the ufc – shields is ready for gsp, yet they are giving him another fight.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce isn't the UFC
They don’t have nearly as many match making options, particularly at 170lbs. Coker can’t waste fights at welterweight on meaningless number one contender fights.
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by Worldisart on Sep 12, 2010 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Strikeforce isn’t competent enough to book fights like the UFC and they don’t have the resources to hype a fight like Rampage/Evans was.
As for matchmaking, given the complete dearth of talent at 170 in SF I would rather have both Daley and Cyborg get their crack at the title if I’m the match maker for Strikeforce.
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by Worldisart on Sep 12, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So your telling me Strikeforce couldnt hire a dude with a HD camera to make some Primtime esque video blogs? I think they could. Obviously it wont have the production value but it gives a bit of beef to the fight.
It doesnt matter if Strikeforce isnt the UFC they need to give reasons for the average fan to be interested and something for their highlight reel and promotional footage. Yes Coker can waste this WW fight, if it means giving them a story or a way to hype the fight.
Miller vs Diaz is the fight that makes the most sense right now but obviously that has gone pear shaped.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m telling you as a guy who works for a living as “some dude with an HD camera” that it isn’t that simple.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on the matchmaking. Strikeforce is handicapped from the get go, “tune-up” or not. I think it’s criminally stupid for them to burn a contender in their weakest division to satisfy the so called casual fan that doesn’t watch Strikeforce anyway.
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by Worldisart on Sep 12, 2010 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you
Daley is one of my favorite fighters to watch despite his considerable flaws. He’s really a lightning rod here, though. People hate the dude in a way that doesn’t seem proportional to his (admittedly bad) behavior.
Last night’s performance was pretty uninspiring, but I’m still excited to see what Paul can do in SF.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 12, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s just changed recently, i remember before the kos fight there was more then just you who loved daley monte. the others must have gone into hiding or are fair weather fans.
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by The Omaplatapus on Sep 12, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
after hearing what Kos said to Daley no wonder he punched him!
For kos to be using racial slurs inside the octagon is disgusting.
by TylerTreese on Sep 12, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
As an aside, here’s a shot of the crowd from last night
Looks like this event was a pretty big success. When I was in a chat last night, someone mentioned that Shark Fights has a huge local following. Hopefully they’ll be able to pull off cards like this frequently (and hopefully with Bas and Mr. Frye)
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by Marvin Malehooves on Sep 12, 2010 6:44 AM EDT reply actions
Shark Fights
This card showed why some of these guys aren’t in the bigger promotion.Jardine clearly has aways to go,and Sokoudjou is just a fighter 4 hire now.Paul Daley is a one trick fighter,with no grounde game or takedown defense.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Sep 12, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Jardine doesn’t have the offensive tools to really finish or even do a huge amount of damage to top level fighters, yet his questionable chin, fighting stance, and tendency to brawl make it fairly easy for good fighters to damage and finish him. It’s just a bad skill set to go into a fight with, but you’ve got to respect what he’s accomplished with it.
The fact that Chuck couldn't put him away years ago....
….says alot about Chuck today. He has nothing left.
It couldn’t at all mean that Jardine isn’t the complete scrub some of you would like to think he is.
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That card was money well spent. I’ll continue to buy Shark Fight cards, ESPECIALLY if they keep that announce team. Fucking awesome.
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Even though some of those fights didn’t live up to their potential, the card was fantastic, the announcing was highly amusing, and the production was pretty no-nonsense. At a 40% discount to UFC cards, I’d say its a pretty good deal.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Sep 14, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
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