Quote of the Day: Rashad Evans Aims to Knock Mauricio "Shogun" Rua Out
by Nick Thomas on Sep 11, 2010 10:33 AM EDT
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"I would rather have been able to stay active and fight (Mauricio "Shogun" Rua) pretty close after my last fight but with him having the knee surgery it’s gonna be pretty much out of the question. Then it becomes about, should I wait to fight for the belt or should I fight just to fight? ... My motivation to fight is to be the best and to be the champion."
"I think I just have to go right at him. I think I can’t try to move around too much or try to get away from him because he will find me, because he is a very aggressive striker. So, I can be aggressive too."
"I think there’s a possibility for me to knock him out, I mean that is what I hope to do. That’ll be great to knock him out. That would be my aim to try to knock him out, but you know if I catch him or something it would probably be off his aggression. I’ll see if I can capitalize on him coming in."
"Styles make fights and having so much time off I don’t really know the kind of Rua I’m going to go against when I meet him and he doesn’t know who he’s going to go against. So, what the perceived advantages of me right now are, are not necessarily what they are going to be when I meet him in May."
-- Check out the full interview with Rashad Evans at mmavalor.com.
Rashad "Suga" Evans (15-1-1)
Win Quinton Jackson - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 114
Win Thiago Silva - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 108
Loss Lyoto Machida - KO (Punches) UFC 98
Win Forrest Griffin - TKO (Punches) UFC 92
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (19-4)
Win Lyoto Machida - KO (Punches) UFC 113
Loss Lyoto Machida - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 104
Win Chuck Liddell - TKO (Punches) UFC 97
Win Mark Coleman- TKO (Punches) UFC 93
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Is it fighter bashing if I call Rashad a liar? I’ll never believe a word he says during prefight hype again after the Rampage fight.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 11, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Haha
I was going to come in here and say the same thing. You know that Rashad is going to go with the Greg Jackson plan….quick combo and shoot the double leg…..rinse, wash, repeat. The less he has to stand with Shogun, the better…..that will be the plan. Shogun’s wrestling is known as somewhat weak, so there will be no problem getting him on his back. He’ll just have to be careful on the ground as Shogun has ability to reverse and transitions well on the ground.
Having said that……I wish he would go in with the plan of trying to knock him out. Would make for an interesting fight.
by Snake_Pliskan on Sep 11, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting, no, entertaining, yes!
Shogun’s Muay Thai is far superior to Rashad’s striking. Shogun is a knockout artist on his feet.
I actually want Rashad to try and “Greg Jackson him”, that way the fight will be closer, and we will see who is the better fighter.
I hope Rashad goes all “Greg Jackson” on him too, so people will stop saying he never faced a good wrestler.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
no need to hope
he is gonna do that for sure.
Really looking forward to Shogun showing off his BJJ again. We only saw a few glimpses of it during the Machida fight.
Yeah, and that was with a fucked up knee too.
I loved watching Chuck trying to get away from Shogun’s guard. Obviously he likes to be standing anyways, but there was an “Oh fuck this” sense of urgency. He wanted nothing to do with Shogun on the ground.
As much as the Rua bros like to strike, they will always be ground magicians at heart.
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Interesting, yes, entertaining, yes!
Personally getting a little tired of the Greg Jackson MO. Not sure it really shows who is the better fighter., just shows who is better at playing the sport as currently judged in the states.
by Snake_Pliskan on Sep 11, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't agree with this
as strategy is a big part of the sport, a win is a win.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Sep 11, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Strategy IS a big part of the sport
but that strategy makes it less of a fight, which is a problem.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 11, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
it's still a fight
people got to fight in the style their good at and in what makes most sense. I know we all have preferences in the styles we most like, but wrestling is a style as well. a guy like Rashad can’t just go in there trying to make a ‘fight’ with Rampage or T. Silva because he will most likely lose if he decides to trade with them, but taking them down and making them fight his style makes more sense for him to come out with the W.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Ummm yea he can still make it a fight . All he needed to do to ...
… shut alot of us up and make a fight out of it at the same time was just attempt some GnP . An attempt to do some damage and finish the fight would have at the least made it a " fight " . Instead we watched two wrestling matches .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a fight until you do something to finish a guy
until then, it’s just a physical sport.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 11, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
but it is a sport :p
not necessarily a fight
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
And that's a problem
it needs to be both, it’s the reason we watch.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 11, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as it's within the rules I have no problem
which is why I also didn’t have a problem with the Silva/Maia fight. now if they introduce the yellow cards I wouldn’t have a problem with that either :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
It's love/hate with me
I watch MMA to see fights, so I want them to fight. That said, I won’t fault them for fighting to win within the rules they are given. That’s just smart.
This is why I think the rules need adjusting.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 11, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Vegas we're on the same page with this one .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Rashad’s fight against Thiago Silva abused the current American judging system like no other fight I had ever seen.
by Polyhedron on Sep 11, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did you know Greg Jackson was the one who devised Rashad's strategy against Machida?
And that Evans was a bit upset with Jackson’s non-wrestling strategy for that fight?
Are you sure about that?
Seems like a very un-Jackson approach to me, wanting to stand with a quicker and better striker.
At that point, Rashad had not used his wrestling offensively recently.
Then again, unlike with Shogun, Rashad is unlikely to get Machida and his elite, if unorthadox, TDD down…
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ding Ding
Too mjch credit is given to Jackson for Rashad’s success. Rashad was gonna be a stud regardless.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The other side of that coin is Jackson gets too much blame when his guys lose.
by ufc4 on Sep 11, 2010 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Does he?
Rashad lost and it’s “Rashad sucks”
Jardine loses and it’s “He has a weak chin”
etc etc
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, I blame Jackson a lot.
He hasn’t been able to get Rashad to correct his footwork or teach him basic boxing fundamentals. Same with Jardine, he told him to embrace the funkiness and never taught him what a left hook looks like. I know it’s a bit of a joke now, but he just walks straight into that shit. How about Leonard Garcia’s stubborn refusal to do anything but wing right hands? Shane Carwin’s continued poor striking technique and reliance on power?
I think there are a few guys who absolutely are a great fit for long term stays at Jacksons. Guys who are wrong between the ears. Melvin Guillard, Diego Sanchez, and Jon Jones for the next year or two. But he’s far from a godlike technical coach. Firas is easily the strong point of the Grudge/Jacksons/Tristar network.
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Jackson is not a good coach. There. I said it.
Jackson puts fighters’ minds at ease. Let’s be real, who has he coached and improved? Maybe Nate. Jardine never improved, he got WORSE. Rashad all the pieces were there already, he just needed cage time. And like you said, the couple holes in his game haven’t been improved.
That 2nd paragraph is money. Except for Jones. I don’t see Jackson as good for him. He’s gonna curtail that ferocity that he needs.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a great coach for building confidence and mental game.
Jones needs that while he’s still young. There have been flashes of frustration and his mind letting him down. He got pissed about Vera’s relatively tame trash talk, and he threw blatant illegal strikes when a ref wasn’t stopping a fight quick enough for him. He’s gotta get his head on straight, and I think Jackson’s will be food for that. But he has GOT to move on after about two years, or else his “funkiness and creativity” will become “technically deficient”. I’ve said that over and over, totally believe it.
Jones with good technical boxing would be terrifying. Teach that kid a good jab and he’ll be able to completely dominate range and control an entire fight. But Jacksons isn’t the place for that.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot this pre-fight interview
Sherdog- “Is it your intention to stand and trade with Rampage?”
RE: “Fuck no. That man could knock me out. I’m gonna play grab leg and push him up the cage and point out a decision. There’s way to much money in this sport for me to risk getting Bispinged. You know how much my suits cost? Nah, man. Nice and safe. You don’t go in the deep end of the pool if you can’t swim. I’m all about the shallow end. And the paycheck, lets not forget the paycheck.”
Clearly Rashad is not a liar.
And the wrestling haters are out again today...
Don’t want to get taken down? LEARN TO DEFEND AGAINST IT.
Because wrestling is sooooo much more boring than some guy lying on his back, trying to grab another guy’s wrist or ankle. Yup, that’s just loads of excitement there.
Oh, I know, let me watch two guys who couldn’t properly throw a punch if their lives depended on it stand and trade and then gas out after 3 minutes! Woo hoo, we’re partying now!
Now, see how ridiculous it looks when you attack one combat strategy as being inferior? That’s what you just did to wrestling.
Wrestling done well helps fighters win fights. It doesn’t make them scared or inferior. Don’t hate what you don’t understand.
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Yo Duck its not about wrestling hate .....
……. its about someone not even making an attempt to finish a fight . Rashad is the definition of lay & pray / wall & stall . All he wants to do is waste time so he doesn’t actually have to fight . Not once in two strait fights did Rashad ever look to finish . Instead he prefered to just lay on his opponet and wait out a decision while doing zero damage . I’m all for wrestling …….when its used properly . By properly I mean used to set up GnP or a submission not just hold another fighter down .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Coulda sworn he was trying to finish in the 3rd
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Really where ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch the fight
If you don’t remember then I’m certainly you had your head in the sand
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The final 30 meaningless seconds , no need to watch .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the last thirty seconds of the last round were exciting. Now if did what he did then (meaningful g&p) throughout the fight, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 11, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He had finally worn Rampage down enough
Same thing in the Tito fight.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you for real ???
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Are YOU forreal?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
All he did was piss away time period .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Did eveyone forget how that fight started?
Rashad came in and rocked Rampage.
If you watch the fight with an unbiased eye, Rampage is responsible for a lot of the stalling. Against the fence, Rashad was firing shots at Rampage’s head until Rampage secured a tight overhook and just waited for the ref to separate them. No attempt at pushing Rashad away, rotating and reversing against the cage, etc. Then on the ground you see Rampage doing nothing but either tightly hugging Rashad or squeezing his arms.
by Mint on Sep 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, that's not the revisionist history we all agreed upon after the fight
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by duck on Sep 11, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand the hate Rashad got for the Silva fight
He should have done a lot more GnP there.
But hating on him for the Rampage fight is just dumb. Rashad was the aggressor the whole fight. Rampage was all defense until Rashad half-KO’d himself, and even with that golden opportunity Rampage mostly hit air.
It takes two to make a good fight. Rashad came out swinging and after that wanted to grind him into a pulp. That’s all we can ask from him.
until Rashad half-KO’d himself
After that, think it’s safe to say we should just disregard anything you have to say about that fight.
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by Chris Barton on Sep 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He was the aggressor in the Silva fight too. All he did with it was ....
…. the same thing he did in his fight with Rampage attempt takedowns and attempt to grind out a lay & pray decision .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have expected more from Rashad's top game seeing as he has his bjj black belt now.
I'm just here for the dogfights and prostitutes.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that " Black Belt " came from the mall .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
or from a cereal box like the Nogueira brothers’ ones do.
I'm just here for the dogfights and prostitutes.
by Earl Montclair on Sep 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
coulda been from a gum ball machine too .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the name! Chi town 4 life!
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by Pha Q on Sep 11, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotta show my colors !! Appreciate the love homie !
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
To paraphrase the timeless wisdom of Blly Madison:
“I’m going to walk into that Octagon, cock that right hand, and KNOCK…..SHOGUN…..OUT!! WHOOOOO-EEEEEEE” (dramatic fist pump)
“No, your not.”
“Yeah, but I’m gonna throw BOMBS! I’m gonna stand right in front of him and wreck him!!”
“No, you wont.”
“Yeah, but….ummmm……it would be cool if I DID, am I right? Huh huh?” (wink wink nudge nudge)
“…………..” (walk away shaking head)
“………OK, everyone ready to start training? GOOD GREAT OUTSTANDING!!!!!”
in MAY?!?!?
I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Sep 11, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
c'mon rashad... you're joking right??
You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci. Two reasons; first of all, I think he's a good actor. Okay. To me, that counts. Second; he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. Doesn't fuck around.
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I am an unapologetic fan of Rashad.
He’s blowing smoke. He’s not going to stand with Shogun. He’s got his best chance for the belt in grinding out a decision from top position vs. Shogun, coming off injury. The only thing that might get in the way would be an interim belt fight, which apparently isn’t going to happen, despite nearly a year passing before Shogun will defend his belt.
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what's wrong with interim belts?
I don’t get it. I LIKE interim belts. they’re cool. it lets you have title fights while guys are injured and then you get to have unification fights, which are sweet.
Have rashad fight the winner of little nog vs. bader or jones for the interim belt. if he whines, tell him that would be your first defence anyway. the LHW belt can’t just sit around till May … i mean come on.
I agree, but Rashad knows he'd need to fight Shogun eventually to unify it, so why rush into an opportunity to fall out of the #2 seed?
If it were really gonna happen, Dana would’ve announced an interim belt right after Shogun went under the knife.
FWIW I agree with your sentiment. I don’t think interim belts are bad at all, quite the opposite, but I see how Rashad isn’t gunning for it too.
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The thing about having to fight one of them afterwards
Financially, it’s better for Rashad to become the champion and then lose it to Jones/Nog/Bader than it is to just lose to Jones/Nog/Bader in an iterim fight. We’re talking potentially millions in difference (Sponsors, Probably new contract, probably PPV cut, behind the scenes bonuses etc.)
There's nothing really wrong with them.....
….but the thing is that Rashad would probably have to fight Machida or Rampage, and that’s a risk he doesn’t want to take. One knocked him out already, and the other almost knocked him out after coming off of a massive weight cut/ring rust.
Rashad could grind out a decision on Shogun, but then all that’s waiting for him is a pissed off Rampage, and a pissed off Machida. Neither are good things.
Rampage, pissed off or not, does not have the skillset to overcome Rashad with the gameplan he used before.
Machida on the other hand beats Rashad 9/10 or more.
Both guys have the proverbial “puncher’s chance” and little more.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 11, 2010 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree . Rampage not coming off of a .....
…… year long layoff should beat Rashad .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to take Rampage’s ring rust and weight cut into account there. You could tell the guy was rusty, not to mention he had the wrong gameplan. All he wanted to do was knock Rashad’s head off standing, and in doing so he just didn’t counter wrestle.
If you think about it, if there’s anyone who would put themselves in a position for a Rampage slam, it’s Rashad.
People want an interim belt because they want Rashad to lose
They know he will beat Shogun. They also just don’t like Rashad.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Put down the pipe . I don't want an interm belt ....
….. because the intrem champ didn’t beat the champ to earn the belt . And really the only reason Rashad might beat Shogun is Shogun may not be 100% after knee surgery . A healthy Shogun kills Rashad .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really consider the interm champ to be a champ
I think of it as more of a “Number One Contender”’s belt
Exactly .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If Rashad fights the Shogun that fought Machida
Rashad has a very good chance of winning. Anyone who says otherwise is just…welll….dumb
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No your whole post is whats dumb .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
RASHAD IS THE SUXOR DURRRRRRRRRR
Tito
Bisping
Chuck
Forrest
Machida YES MACHIDA WILL BEAT HIM
RAMPAGE TOO
UM, SHOGUNZ
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wanna know what is dumb?
Claiming that Thiago Silva and Rampage Jackson are two of the best at 205 while denying that Rashad is a good fighter. Remember that Monster? It’s amazing anyone even bothers talking with you about any Rashad Evans’ fights after that.
I'm not denying hes a good fighter ....
…. nor am I saying Thiago is a top 5 guy ( top 10 maybe ) . What I am saying is Rashad is overrated , in my opinion . I’ve since come down off my retardation high I’ll freely admit that Rashad is a good fighter . My biggest issue with Rashad are quotes like this article . Hes gonna KO Shogun . Yea right hes gonna go in and turn a fight into a wrestling match . Which leads into my other issue , he is the poster boy for lay & pray / wall and stall . I’ll be honest if he’d have GnP’d or attempted to do some damage aginest Page or Silva I’d be fine with all his wrestling because it would have turned into an attempt to finish . Hes far too happy to just lay on guys and not improve his position and just grind out a decision . All I would have liked to have seen was him do damage & improve his position . Is that too much to ask from a supposed top level fighter thats fightin a guy comin off a year long lay off ? I don’t think so . And yes while its true I’d don’t like Rashad I can see he has talent .
Rampage is still a top 5 type fighter too me that just needs to either fight or act but not both . If he focuses on fighting he could make another run , if not he’ll be a fringe top 10 fighter . Silva has the talent to be a top fighter & has only been beaten by Machida & Rashad .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
How is Rashad overrated? He's the 3rd best LHW. That's where he should be.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see him as the third ...
… best to be honest . Shogun is the champ and is number one without a doubt . The next few are a jumble . Second , to me , is Lyoto Machida . Third would be Rampage ( and I know I’m gonna get some heat for it so let me explain ) . Page is next as long as hes a fighter and not an actor . If he goes all in as a fighter he’ll be the champ again . If he doesn’t he’ll struggle to be a top ten guy . Fourth is Rich Franklin . A former champ is hard to deny . And finally I’d place Rashad in the final top 5 spot . So yes to me hes overrated to you hes about right . And honestly if Lil Nog can bounce back he could bump Rashad out of the top five as could Bones Jones or Ryan Bader with some impressive performances .
To me Rashad has got a few bunnies for fights . He got Chuck on the decline ( but still KO’d him my only question is how much weight does that victory bear ? ) , he took a has been Tito to a draw ( and could have lost that fight if not for a questionable point deduction ) , he beat Mike Bisbing by an OK split decision ( I personally it was a draw but oh well ) , he beat Forrest to obtain the belt , got KO’d nasty like by Machida , decided to lay on Thiago for 3 rounds ( and almost lost in the third when he tried to trade ) and decided to yet again lay on Rampage for a victory ( and yet again almost lost in the third ; and Rampage was comin off a year long lay off and no matter if you like it or not ring rust was an issue ) . So you look at the names alone yes Rashads record looks impressive , but you look closer to see how he won and the timing of certain fights and its very unimpressive . Now if he would have finished off either Silva or Rampage with some GnP or a submission hes a no question top two or three fighter . To me all he did with this lay & pray shit is hurt his status . He got to mix it up some and not be so one dimensional with his wrestling . Hes gotten as bad as Rampage with his stand up . Page needs to get back to his roots and wrestle more and Rashad needs to improve his boxing and footwork and work on his BJJ & GnP . Being one dimensional either way is bad .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 12, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i cant take u seriously with Rampage as 3rd
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 12, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If the man is focused he's a top fighter . And thats all you ...
…. looked at was my ranking of him ? Its an opinion . And you think its easy to take what you say seriously with some of your comments ? Come on man really .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 12, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So you smash my opinion ...
… and have yet to show you own opinion on the situation . So throw your rankings out here to be picked apart .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 13, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
A chance yes.
But I agree that the only way I see Rashad winning is if Shogun is not 100%. Rashad’s gas tank is what i think is going to be the deciding factor. In his last two fights he has gassed and got caught in the third round, and Shogun will take him into deep water and get a hard fought KO or TKO.
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Or Rashad is BETTER
For fuck’s sake, you guys are making the excuses already. Rashad has the skillset to beat a healthy Shogun. PERIOD.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 12, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he is just trying to hype the fight.
But I don’t think I could see anyone in the LHW division knocking Shogun out. We have seen this man horribly gassed, taking huge shots, and he still has never even been rocked in his career. Shogun has one of the best chins in the sport.
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Cain will beat Brock, I am accepting sig bets.
he was rocked by Lil' Nog
though that was a long time ago.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Yeah that was a long time ago.
Remind me who won that fight again?
by Polyhedron on Sep 11, 2010 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't recall him being rocked
but I suffer from selective memory sometimes :P
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Do you guys have reading comprehension problems?
There is a possibility for me to knock him out.
I hope to knock him out.
I’ll see if I can capitalize on him coming in.
Where exactly is he blowing smoke or being a liar? Every fighter hopes to knock out his opponent. For all the claims about how cocky he is, Rashad is sure putting a lot of qualifiers in his statements about how the fight is going to go.
Well, when you put it like that..
Perhaps everybody will consider possibly believing him.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It must be the fact that he isn't going for the ko!
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by Pha Q on Sep 11, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Na hes no Persian rug .......
……. hes on of those cheap ass Wal Mart rugs .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad will try knocking out Rua?
Last time he tried that he got
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 11, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad is so full of shit.
I am praying to my demon effigy for a brutal KO by Shogun, but I see Rashad taking a decision on takedowns just like with T. Silva.
by Polyhedron on Sep 11, 2010 1:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe in a 3-rounders...
Rashad’s biggest hole in his MMA wrestling game is his top control, and Rua, although he has rarely shown any in MMA, Shogun is a very high level BJJ player with excellent sweeps (although poor TDD) and a great gas tank.
Rashad won’t dominate Rua like Sonnen did Silva, but it may appear one-sided in the early rounds.
Once Rashad starts to gas, Rua finds a way to either submit him (somewhat unlikely) or catch him on the feet (more likely).
An elite MMA wrestler is what’s needed to beat Rua, but Rashad is not good enough to do it if Rua is healthy…
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 11, 2010 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HAHA
Oh, Rashad please.
I see Shogun winning by sub for some reason. Or Shogun’s cardio is shot from being off for so long that Rashad Silvas him to death.
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
i’d like to see rashad get bisping’d or stanky leg machida style ko’d by shogun but it’s sadly gonna be a jackson wrestle fest
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Shogun should out-show evans
Rua should out-class this foe without problems. Rua is smooth where evans is jerky in his KO attempts.
Also
I love how Shogun being injured somehow allows a top 205er to sit a year out of his prime and not have to currently maintain his status and #1 contender.
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I've been screamin the same thing . Who says in a years time he'd ...
… still be the number 1 guy ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I hate it. As soon as it was clear that Shogun would be out of action for up to a year, they should have retracted that promised title shot (or not announced it to begin with). Rashad didn’t exactly impress in winning either.. he lost the title by KTFO, hugged Silva to decision while almost getting KO’d, and then the same with Rampage. It’s bunk, I tell ya.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think VegasBatman was bring a bit of sarcasm to the table ....
… with his post . What I was sayin is , for the most part , what you posted .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
** bringing **
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah right bitch!
Your going to try and knock him out just like you tried against silva. Love these gaggles who say there going for the knock out. You can’t ko him while you’re fucking the shit out of his leg rashad.
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by Pha Q on Sep 11, 2010 3:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
LOL !!!
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Bitch?
LOL @ the bashing. But it’s Rashad so it’s ok.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm OK with ....
….. it as long as its true .
Your going to try and knock him out just like you tried against silvaTRUTH
You can’t ko him while you’re fucking the shit out of his leg rashadTRUTH
So wheres the bashing ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you read the subject line?
Your hate blinds you. He called him a bitch.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No I just pointed out that .....
…. there was truth to what he was saying . Did I refer to that as truth ? No , because its not . While I’m not Shads biggest fan I won’t name call anymore ( have seen the error in my ways ) . But the fact is what was marked as truth is still the truth .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
"Where's the bashing/" implies
You didn’t see it
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No I prefered to comment ...
…. on the relevant points he made rather than the irrelevant bash .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 12, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
My whole comment was about the bash
and you responded “Where’s the bashing?”
You’re being obtuse. Hilarious
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 12, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No ....
… I’m being selective with comments . Where was the bashing in what I highlighted ? Its not there . You are selecting what you wanted to out of his post ….. as did I . Its not difficult to understand what I highlighted involved zero bashing . What you decided to pick out was bashing . I just posed the question " Wheres the bashing " to the highlighted portions . How difficult is that to understand ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 13, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Rashad, but nobody is buying the bullshit. Machida already exposed that you are a mediocre striker at best, and we all know that you’re scared to trade once you realized that you have no chin.
He’s going to wall and stall, and then lay and pray. He may as well be honest.
ugh.
while it is nice that some fights this year will help sort out 205 below the championship fight (the Baders and JJ’s and such), its dumb to let a year go by before a clear cut contender is determined (rashad is not clear cut, machida stole and ate his breakfast). what if rua’s injury doesn’t heal right and he needs more time? dana is the boss. make something happen.
by silent.bisonte33 on Sep 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
Goooooo Rashad
I like that he fights how he wants. People know exactly what he’s going to do and they still probably end up losing, because they’re dumb and he’s smart.
No because the other fighters ......
…. came to fight not wrestle . And did he do want he wanted aginest Lyoto ? Guess so if hes the smart one , so I guess his game plan was to go out and get knocked the fuck out .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Who came to fight? Rampage who did FUCK all in the fight? No
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No you got that part wrong . Rashad's the .....
… one that came to fuck ….. Rampages leg .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So Rashad made Rampage his prag?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you stalking me dude ? Do I need to get a restraining order ? And no Rashad ....
…. was more the catagory of a dog humping his owners leg .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Sep 11, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think K-1 is going to take off
because it seems to me like a lot of people find wrestling boring or the ground game in general. I don’t know why K-1 isn’t more popular than it is already.
by AHutch on Sep 11, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s insane really that K-1 isn’t more popular in the US. I was a K-1 fan long before I came in to MMA, and it’s always been strange to me that not more MMA fans follow K-1, as pretty much everyone seems to appreciate fast-paced, technical striking wars. I hope FEG manages to turn things around and gain some positive momentum, K-1 and MMA can co-exist in sweet symbiosis.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 11, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad gets a lot of hate for a guy who's lost one fight
and has wins over Chuck, Forrest, Rampage, and Thiago Silva.
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by Broke Lesnar on Sep 11, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
The Rashad hate confuses me
There’s nothing about the guy I don’t like. Seriously – nothing. I love the way he fights, even though he goes to a decision more often than not. He’s one of the smartest fighters out there.
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I will keep my hypotheses to myself
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate Jason Shitlock
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved how you assumed it was "racism" though
Very telling
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't hate Rashad
But his win against Chuck was against a near dead Chuck. He drew with Tito when Tito was dead. Rashad was a bad match up for Forrest. His Rampage and Silva wins were impressive, but they were so boring I have a hard time giving him much props. I agree he deserves to be the number two ranking, but I’m not a fan.
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Near dead Chuck who had just beat Silva?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
rashad cant take a punch
and he will get hit by shogun…boop…sleepy time
I give rashad 10% chance of winning…a situation like the desperate haymaker he landed on chuck b/c chuck was beating him that fight.
and yeah he should be fighting during shoguns layoff…but he knows he always one punch/graze away from losing his fights (like thiago and rampage proved)
Rashad got hit by Chuck
Hit by heavyweights. When you’re gassed, your chin goes. He was gassed against Silva. Rampage, he ran into Rampage’s knee on a TD and then Rampage caught a stunned Rashad. Machida hit him with 15 shots before he went out.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to love that revisionist history
Then Chuck had just had a marginal loss against a rising fighter in Keith Jardine and an epic win against Wanderlei Silva. Rashad was considered a gimme for Chuck since Chuck ate one-dimensional wrestlers for lunch and this would set up Liddell for another run at the belt.
Now Rashad knocked out Chuck Liddell, the bum that was only a shell of himself after Rampage had knocked him out and who Rashad was lucky to catch and he never would have won against a prime Chuck so it doesn’t count.
Man, the fact that people are basically willing to completely write off excellent fighters that they like (Chuck, Forrest, Rampage) just to denigrate Rashad says a lot about what kind of fans they are and how much they really hate Rashad Evans.
Well in all fairness
Silva was all the way dead.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Nothing boring about taking what Rashad did in those fights he made both guys look silly and exposed their shitty takedown defense.
People can keep praying and hoping against hope but it’s futile Rashad has gotten over his boxeritis and is going to take down Shogun and pound him out. It’s no wonder so many people are bitching about him because they know Rua is going to get worked thanks to his crappy tdd and overaggressive style.
I’ll personally enjoy him winning because this rash of bitching and crying about wrestling has become incredibly tired. So having another wrestler win a belt should really make it extra special to see how butthurt some people on here will get.
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