MFC 26 Post-Fight: Antonio McKee Calls Out BJ Penn and Sean Sherk
I'm waiting for the UFC to release BJ [Penn] or Sean Sherk so I can tear their ass up, too.
--Antonio McKee (25-3-2), shortly after stopping Luciano Azevedo in the first round of their MFC Lightweight Championship bout.
Mckee has said before the fight that he would retire if he doesn't put on a show, and tonight, he stayed true to his word. Say what you want about the 40-year-old's style, but he has gone 7 years, and 15 straight bouts without losing. His shot at fighting in the UFC is long overdue.
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Of course he calls out Penn, he just lost twice dy decision.
Mothers know nothing about creeping marauders burrowing through the snow toward the kitchen where only you and you alone stand between your tiny, huddled family and insensate evil.
He’s been ‘calling out’ Penn for years now. He knows damn well nobody is coming to the MFC to fight him. He’s had talks with the UFC, but he’s just too unapologetically boring. He could hang with anyone in the world, but know one would want to see it.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Antonio McKee for President! That fight was Teh Awesomes!!11!1!
He really dished it out yesterday night and good for him! It was an exciting fight. Great card last night.
Fuck the bullshit, let's be real
SEVEN YEARS without a loss. I don’t care how “boring” you are, if this is a SPORT like MMA promoters and fans try to claim, then someone who hasn’t lost in seven years should be in the UFC. Even as a “prospect”.
Makes no sense.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
truth.
Hell if they don’t want him facing names like Guida yet. Make him teach Lentz a lesson in wrestling.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 11, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Bring him to the UFC
So we can stop hearing him
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
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He might be making more currently than what the UFC would or have offered him
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 11, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
sponsorships would be greatly increased with the UFC though.
his gym would also get more exposure, so would definitely be a plus for him I think.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 11, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Would he get main card status right away? Sponsors only care if people can see what they paid for.
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 11, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh not really
undercard fighters get sponsors too
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
Someone like Full Tilt might give him (just guessing) 1K to wear their gear with a win bonus of another 1K on MFC. That same company may give him 5K to wear it on a UFC PPV with a 5K win bonus and a bigger bonus if he makes the PPV broadcast.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there any possible way a fight of his makes the ppv broadcast? If you put him on the spike prelims he could turn a lesnar headlined card into 300 k buys. If you add a fitch fight to the spike prelims the ufc would likely go under.
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by crinow on Sep 11, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's not guaranteed to go to a decision
If he’s getting paid right, he said he’ll take more risks
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
What a catch 22. If he took more risks he might get paid right
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by crinow on Sep 11, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not even CLOSE to being a guarantee
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on precedence, its just as likely as mckee not going to a decision. I’m all for mckee going to the ufc. Just because he isn’t the most exciting fighter shouldn’t keep him from fighting the best in the best organizations. However, let’s not pretend that could finish most of his fights if he tried, or took more risks.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"
by crinow on Sep 11, 2010 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
unlikely from the mfc shows ive seen , the attendance doesnt seem to be all that great
and youd think a dude with his record would get a decent starting pay
by Richard Doughty on Sep 11, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't do anything tonight that he hasn't done
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, he did open up Eddie Munster. That shit doesn’t happen everyday.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean he cut him, but it's not like he had a different game plan
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
ok, here’s the deal, i don’t think mckee wants to go to the UFC, all that “racists keeping me out” talk is a bullshit smokescreen. every interview i’ve heard with him where someone asks whether he’d go to the ufc he always counters with “why i gotta go there to fight them, why can’t they come here to fight me?”
he loves to be the medium fish in the small pond. loves to get his name out there by making all this ridiculous callouts.
He doesn't say "racists are keeping me out" or anything close to that
McKee would love to go to the UFC…and would’ve liked it even better 4 years ago
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i dunno dude, i’ve heard several of his interviews where he says just that.
question: so why aren’t you fighting in strikeforce or ufc?
his answer: i think it’s because of racism.
pretty cut and dry.
He thinks that
People look at him as a more boring fighter than say a Fitch because they expect him to be athletic and explosive. They champion Fitch and GSP as “martial artists” and “experts at the sport” but for him, he’s just boring. He thinks he does what it takes to win and he’s unfairly labeled as boring. He’s not called anyone a racist, just that his situation might have racial aspects to it. He says that he was a really good wrestler, he beat John Smith for goodness sakes, and he never got a look. He beat a bunch of opponents and still never got a look. Not the WEC, not Strikeforce, not UFC.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Some fans do
I think those fans are stupid.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I appreciate what he does
but I usually roll blunts during his fights.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, I will be honest
I have no interest in Jon Fitch fighting. I find shit to do. Unless GSP is kicking his ass.
Yet, McKee entertains me.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
the truth comes out….
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm racist
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
clearly
I always thought it would be hilarious if there was a black klan.
Imagine the confusion.
“Jed, wake up! someones burning a cross.”
“Thanks, I don’t want to to miss that.”
“No, man. Outside. They burnin a cross in our yard.”
“I don’t know how to feel about this. On one hand, they burnin a cross. On the other, its in our yard. I’m torn.”
Black folks yelling the n word at them, running around with nooses.
I don’t this this is cool or acceptable, I just think it would be a hilarious premise for a skit.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hope I don't get i trouble for this
if I do, I’ll assume it was you, DutchBaby!
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Shit, I’m all for it. There were times growing up where my name may as well have been cracker or Honkey Dutch.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That sucks.
In my town, most people had the courtesy to at least attempt to veil their racism.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah it was usually just black girls messing with me. All in good fun. Well, except for when it was from their mothers. Some women wouldn’t let me in their homes. I don’t know. lol
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
What am I, just gonna grind my feet in somebody’s couch?
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is not just the UFC that has passed on him. SF, Elite, Affliction, Dream…none of these orgs have come a calling either.
He was out when Elite was at it's peak
Affliction’s 1st event was during his hiatus, and their 2nd event was a couple months after his return fight.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Affliction should be on the phone with him any day now, I'll bet.

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by James Brady on Sep 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ would sub McKee easy. I could see him grinding a decision win over Gomi tho and they don't want that.
I honestly don’t see the UFC signing him. Strikeforce maybe, but they still haven’t done shit with JZ and Shaolin.
Nah, don't underestimate his defensive grappling skills
He competes in tournaments a lot
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure BJ probably beats him
But let’s see it. I mean, even if we don’t want to see it, if it’s real sport were the best fight the best and he’s winning using the rules as they’re written, then he deserves a shot. Either he proves he’s the real deal or he gets exposed, but he’s earned his chance.
by John Nash on Sep 11, 2010 12:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
That's what I'm saying
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't get this.
Sure, the best fight the best in a perfect sport. So why have an unranked Antonio McKee fight #2 in the world BJ Penn?
I’m more interested in McKee vs. Ben Henderson.
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Nice. I’d pay to see that fight on a PPV
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by Barack Lesnar on Sep 11, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh, I wouldn't.
Two guys who have never beaten top 25 competition is not a PPV worthy fight. Clay Guida vs. Kurt Pellegrino would be a significantly more compelling fight. You stick Henderson vs. McKee on any PPV and give it main or co-main status, I will not buy it. And I buy everything.
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that's why I'm saying
McKee vs Guida or Lentz (if they don’t want guida yet)… He naturally won’t get Bendo or BJ in his first zuffa bout…
anyyyyyyyway. None of that is important unless the UFC doesn’t do what they should, and pick this guy up already.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 11, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
grrr.
*unless the UFC does what they should *
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 11, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
They already have a full stock of sub-par lightweights
in the WEC. Zuffa doesn’t need any more. Do you really see McKee even beating Kamal Shalarous? What makes him more promising than Shane Roller?
The guy has four finishes in the last decade. Not one win over ranked or esteemed competition. And he’d be the oldest guy in the UFC aside from Randy. Seriously, he’s older than Tito, Rich, and Hughes, who are considered part of the “seniors division” already.
The big leagues don’t need or want him. And I agree with them, quite frankly.
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Did you just talk about the WEC without ranting?
And then go on to agree with something they are doing?
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
I have two lines on shtick regarding the WEC.
They underpay their world class fighters in the BW and FW divisions, and the LW division is a waste of space that prevents real top 25 fighters from getting more exposure.
And I actually agree with a lot of what the WEC does in terms of their marketing towards a crossover audience and creating a sporting atmosphere over the meathead spectacle of the UFC.
But yeah, yeah I did.
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I agree with you about those two points
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why I think he wasn't signed
He toiled through his prime decisioning guys. Now that he’s actually getting a few finishes, he’s forty. There isn’t much sense signing a forty year old with no name value.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Except the fact that he's a good fighter
Fuck the age. I mean the UFC contract can cut him after a loss. So why not sign him. He’s very good.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not subpar, come on son
He in the UFC is their 2nd best LW wrestler behind Maynard and I’d take him over Maynard.
He has great defensive jits, he competes in grappling comps.
His striking is good enough to set up his takedowns which no one can stop.
And age doesn’t matter.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Age definitely matters
How much longer is his career? How much should Zuffa really invest in him?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Does it matter if they get him for 3-5 fights?
and cut him if he underwhelms? No it doesn’t. Don’t act like they don’t sign guys who have wayyyy less talent than him.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 11, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
But what the hell do they need him for?
They’ve got a fourty year old wrestler, the guys also know as captain fuckin america.
They’ve got lay and pray artists at lightweight already.
Um maybe he’s semi marketable, maybe.
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
New blood in the UFC
A couple wins and new contender.
He’s a great personality
He’s a good ambassador, he runs a charity and donates part of his purse to it.
I mean everything about this guy says “SIGN HIM”
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
A couple of boring decisions.
HIs personality just calls me a racist because I don’t demand that he be signed.
Good ambassador? Srsly?
Everything about this guy says “Scout for someone better”
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen the guy? He's not slowing down in the next 3 years
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Age matters a lot. He has a short shelf life and has talked about retirement for the past year.
With his physical skills only going south from here, why waste the time trying to market him? Not to mention that he’s and loudmouth who says crazy shit, and not in a marketable way. In a “would have to issue an apology if anybody gave a shit about who he is” kind of way.
Who cares that he has great takedowns against nobody talented? It’s easy to impose your game on guys who offer almost no resistance.
Basically, we’ve seen what he has to offer. Takedown, hug hips, a handful of strikes to stay active, repeat. He prides himself on that, and you’ve said over and over already that he did nothing different tonight, just managed to cut the guy. McKee is not a prospect, not entertaining, not held in high regard, not evolving, and not long for this sport. Who in their right mind would sign him to a bigger show?
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He's talked about retirement NOT because of age
But because of people crying about his fights. He says that if the fans can’t appreciate his style, then why fight. He’ll just teach.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you there
The man can beat damn near any LW in the world, consistently. If he was in the UFC he would be either a champion or perennial contender. He has so much experience and control over the fight.
His age is really meaningless. Most his fights end with him literally taking no damage. His style also suites an older fighter. He’s never going to lose his technique or strength. He may get slower, but he has a long way to go before that would change what he does.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree they should sign him, but
To say that he would be their 2nd best LW wrestler based on his experience against sub-subpar competition is just silly…
Either Maynard or Edgar take him, probably BJ as well.
Not saying he isn’t good, but he is not the best.
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by BigDNotDallas on Sep 11, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm basing this on his wrestling credentials in wrestling
He beat John Smith. Look that guy up. He’s a better pure wrestler than anyone but Maynard. And that’s a toss up.
BJ is not a better wrestler than McKee. If natural 145er Edgar can take BJ down, McKee who is a better wrestler technically and more athletic and fights and outwrestles MWs in competition should be able to take him down as well.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
If you watch his fights
its hard to say he’s not one of, if not the best, LW wrestlers in MMA.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He beat this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smith_(wrestler)
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
What does that prove?
He isn’t in the UFC.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm showing you the guy's wrestling pedigree
John Smith is a freestyle legend. And he beat him. That’s no easy task.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm being sarcastic
you’re not the only one entitled to it. :)
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I figured it out as soon as I hit post
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So just cause you think McKee wouldn't beat Shalarous (which I disagree on), he shouldn't be signed?
The UFC picks up unknowns with far weaker competition, and lesser skills. Hell dave kaplan lasted several fights for the promotion, why wouldn’t a guy like McKee be given a shot?
If he loses a few and proves you’re right, cut him. If he doesn’t, then he’s there to stay. You may not like his style, but he’s definitely done more than enough to earn his shot at the big leagues.
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 11, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Shalarous would destroy him
He’s a much better wrestler.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
I never meant to imply that he should immediately get a shot at BJ, but that he deserves a shot at the big leagues. His resume of wins is more impressive than most of the fighters they bring in, so either he gets exposed and cut or is proven to be the real deal and gets a chance at bigger and better names.
But you’re right, they should only worry about youth, much as the Raiders did in the 90’s when they signed Rich Gannon, or the Vikings did last year when they signed Favre.
If we’re talking about it being more of a real sport then we have to except the fact that some of the fighters – as long as they are actually following the rules – might not be as entertaining as we’d wish.
by John Nash on Sep 11, 2010 1:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The best should be in the UFC regardless of age
If he sucks, cut him.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind seeing him in Strikeforce, but he actually is too dull for them. With the limited resources they’re working with they couldn’t risk having him take up card space. Only the UFC has the revenue to be able to do something because it’s a “sport”.
by John Nash on Sep 11, 2010 2:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Strikeforce can sign him for a contract, pay him with Lashley's money
Cut him if he loses. He’ll make better sponsorship money. “Feed” him to Gurgel. If he can’t have a good fight with Gurgel, then he never will.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, I grew up in Chicago.
Fuck Brett Farve. That’s all I got to say about that.
There’s a nasty combination of all the factors going against McKee. He’s never fought anybody top 25. He’s on the wrong side of 30 (by a wide margin). And he’s a HUGE PR liability. Statements from his hype before this fight.
I’m just the baddest nigger on the planet, you know? For those black folks that I offend when I use the word nigger, let me explain this right now to you. Nigger is not a bad word to me. Where I come from, nigger is a term of endearment and loyalty and brotherhood … I want to let you know now, this fight here is about putting on a show. So, if you see me out there wearing my monkey suit doing my monkey dance, don’t be tripping, alright?
I’m really trying to hurt this dude. I haven’t felt like this in a long time. It’s been like, maybe 22 years ago when I was in the hood and we were shooting dice. I hit my point and this dude didn’t want to give me my money, so I had to resort back to niggerism. This fight here has brought me back to niggerism.
So we have an unproven fighter who isn’t getting any better and makes outlandish statements that would bring a shitstorm of bad media if he had a larger platform or more notoriety. There’s just so much negative about him.
That’s not even counting the fact that the UFC would lowball the hell out of him in negotiations, while minor leagues can pay him like a headliner. I don’t think it makes sense for anybody.
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No, he did not say NIGGER. Jesus. He said "nigga", it's a big difference
Furthermore Jeremy Stephens (who is White) said the same thing several times on Twitter. No PR Nightmare there. Nigga is not Nigger. Don’t be like that.
He didn’t use “nigger” one time.
Is him saying “nigga” any worse than people using “bitch” and “gay” or “fag” in fight hype? I don’t think so. He’s not insulting anyone when he says that. He clearly defines what it means. Meanwhile Koscheck is on Twitter calling GSP a “fag” and you have fighters calling each other “bitches”.
Man y’all ninjas need to GTFOH with that selective sanctimonious bullshit.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That nigga Jeremy Stephens don't play.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Fa sho
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XURRzofbMc0
Chael Sonnen: Last time I defeated the myth, this time I'll defeat the man.
So...hyped...
Fighting top level talent can only make you better would not be surprised to see him pull off some finishes against some fighters in the UFC
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McKee deserves a shot in the UFC....
He hasn’t lost since 2003 and he showed a very dominate win tonight. Give the guy a chance. I’d rather watch that kind of wrestling than the hugfest some wrestlers put on. On another note, did y’all notice how freaked out Azevedo was when he saw his own blood? After taking them elbows he wanted nothing to do with McKee. At the very least bring him to WEC.
McKee vs Cole Miller
Immediately or right now, whichever is first.
He didn't do anything tonight that he hasn't done in the past
He took the guy down and hit him from the guard. The only thing is that he cut the guy.
What did he do different?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions
I mean he cut the guy, but he threw like 5 strikes in the 30 secs they were on the ground
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Those 5 strikes finished it
THats your answer
"Tons of blacks and their big black wrists"-Luke Thomas
The fact it ended so early says it all.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying his big gameplan change was "pray for a cut"
He didn’t take risks to pass guard really. Outside of that seatbelt (which he’s done before), it was regular GnP, he postured up and threw careful and precise shots. One cut him and the fight ended.
My point is there wasn’t that big of a difference, if any.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He definitely picked up the pace and intensity.
If he fought the same way every fight, he could have been making millions in the UFC. At this point, he’ll be lucky to work his way up to a contender in the UFC. It’s a shame really. He could have truly dominated the division for a long time.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
What pace? Tell me what was different from this and the fight were he tapped the guy out in 2 minutes?
Or any of his previous strikes. He didn’t move faster standing. He didn’t pass guard, he didn’t throw more strikes. He was methodical just like he always has been.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He promised to finish the other fight as well.
That’s exactly my point. He can a finish fight seemingly at will, but didn’t do it for years.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The fight before that on the MFC card. Same pacing as this one
That one ended up a decision. No real difference except the guy finished him with a cut. Might’ve been a little faster.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think his intent just seemed a lot more violent tonight, I guess.
To clarify: I’m a fan of his, but his mouth has been fucking him for years.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Man you know how that mouth shit works for some
I will say he did have a fire, but he was still smart with his shots. But there seemed to have a lil bit of “niggaism” to them.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He may have a had sip of malt liquor in his system.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Some Samuel Jackson's
MMMM-MMMM BITCH, IT’LL GET YOU DRUNK
YOU MIGHT FINISH A FIGHT OR TWO
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
They should sponsor Krazy Horse.
The slogan: At least its not crack.
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The Old Dirt Bastard sends his greetings:
Du du du du dah!
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
CAUSE I CREATE RHYMES GOOD AS A TASTY CAKE MIX
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I mean there was a "difference"
But it’s not like he changed up his strategy. Takedown and selective GnP. He just happened to land a good elbow. You know what I mean. It’s not like he stood up with the guy for round or two or did anything different on the feet that he normally doesn’t do.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
uhm... he noticably picked up the pace of his game
wasn’t it obvious?
by Anton Tabuena on Sep 11, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
On the ground? Nah, not to me
He threw about 5-10 strikes the whole time they were on the ground. He picked his spots like he always does. He just got a good shot in that cut him.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He usually lays on top without doing much of anything at all, a total Chad Mendez.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh nah, you can't say that
He normally throws strikes, just like he threw them in that fight. Have you seen his last fights? He submiitted his last opponent with a kimura. His opponents are always busted up from shots. He throws careful shots from the top, usually in guard.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Strangle holds aren't allowed
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
In 25 minutes, he would dish out less damage than he did tonight in 3.
At will. That’s the problem. If he wants to get paid he needs to put on a show. That’s just the way it is.
I remember all his retirement talk before his last fight, too. Same thing, he finished the guy, because he can. He’s cost himself a lot of money. Even now, he seems to be finishing fights out of spite.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He damages the hell out of his opponents, more than Fitch, for sure
If he wants to get paid, he should WIN. Which he does. They don’t bring in niggas that do crossovers and shit in Rucker Park to be in the NBA (minus Rafer), why is it that way in the UFC. If it’s such a “sport” and you want mainstream “sport” recognition, then act like a sport. If some dude in Italy was putting up 35 a game with 10 assists but they were all jumpshots, that dude would be in the league.
PERIOD.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It's his mouth
For years now, he’s been flat out saying he doesn’t care what fans think and he’ll fight the way he does regardless. All he had to do was pretend he’s trying to finish fights.
I agree, if MMA was purely a sport he obviously belongs with the best in the world.
The basketball analogy doesn’t really work because some of the best players in the world choose not to play in the NBA now.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He's clearly not CHOOSING to fight in MFC over the UFC
So it works.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Patrick Swayze is right. It’s his mouth. The only thing is, if he were “explosive,” a slightly toned down version of his persona would be something that the UFC would love. That is because McKee himself is correct – the marketing of fighters is racist.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Exaclty
He’s a had a dozen student who’ve fought in the UFC. McKee’s had chances, he just says turibble, turibble things from a PR stand point.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Insofar as he doesn’t match those things with the appropriate fighting style. He can’t fit the Rampage pigeon hole.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, I realize that Rampage has a side to him which is endearing and that fans love. All that bullshit. I hope my point doesn’t get lost in there..
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I got ya.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He's like a bitter old version of Rashad.
I know a lot of bitter old black folks. A lot of them have good reason to be bitter. I’ll be like “why don’t you like white people?” Then they say something like “crackers killed my daddy in his sleep” or “I used to get chased and beat up by the police when I was a boy” or something to that effect. Its hard to tell them not to hate people who forced them to cross the street when they walked by.
Not saying its right. Just saying there’s a lot of justifiably bitter old black men out there. McKee just seems like an idiot in this case though. Even if its true, he’s not doing himself any favors talking about racism.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
In reality, I believe that comparison is really fair. In the world of marketing fighters, Rashad is already filling a very particular pigeon hole himself – McKee can’t do that either because of his persona.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, it’s completely right and someone who articulated these points better than McKee would be completely within reason to bring shit up… but it’s not going to fly, as American culture is still dominated by the standards of the white upper-middle class.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Even worse
I think things are lower middle class standards. Just judging by MTV, they portray the illusion of normalcy as being rich. Amazingly, the media has convinced poor white people they are rich or will be soon. Its just amazing really.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know, I have enough teenage female relatives who dress like sluts and behave like they’re cast members of the Jersey Shore. For me to comment any further would be dangerous – I studied class and racial stratification way too much at a liberal arts school run by rich people… I will only say mean things.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up in a small white town.
Its like a Grad school of racism.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I got my doctorate in racism at PWU
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
where's that?
Scranton?
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Nah, PWU stands for Prestigious White University
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
And no i didn't get a doctorate
I’m saying if a small white town is grad school, then my PWU was a doctorate program.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I got you
i was just playing along.
I thought Scranton sounded real uppity(in the cool white way).
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah Scranton is blue collar (at least that's how it seems on the office)
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Got lost there once driving back from Atlanta. I can say that it appears that way in person too.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
AND I MUST KNOW WHAT PRESTIGIOUS WHITE UNIVERSITY!
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I’ll never tell. (although I think I did once in another comment)
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Then my 30 30 30 town
of Black White Mexicans was post doctorate. Shit got crazy and I didn’t learn that people weren’t trash until I moved out. Life is great.
I agree here
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
WTF? Rashad?
That makes no sense.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
excellent wrestling, decent stand up.
Both can control a fight and grind out a win.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, ok, you're comparing styles
But nah, Rashad is much more exciting than McKee.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
That and they're both smart successful black men.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad is one of the smartest fighters in the game
he’s going to make a great coach. Waaaay too much credit is given to Greg Jackson when it comes to Rashad. Jackson got LUCKY to land Rashad. Even on TUF he had all the tools, he just needed experience. He was gliding through on athleticism and Wrestling. He always had super fast hands.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He will retire a wealthy man.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I stopped paying attention to it, but his footwork used to drive me crazy. It seems to have improved, but like I said, I try to just ignore it now.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. His mouth is "explosive", but his style does match up
He fights like he should talk like Edgar or Maynard. :D
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That brings us back to the black prospect with a wrestling background who can present himself in a manner that won’t make white people uncomfortable. Sadly, that role is well filled in the UFC.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Melvin Gilliard , right?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of the Phil Davises of the world personally.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He's okay.
But as a black dude, he should be nick named ‘the assassin’.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Or P Double. He could push a Lex bubble in the winter.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Really real Philly Phil.
I like that one.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
I think we have a winner.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions
THERE SHALL BE NO OTHER NAME BY WHICH PHIL DAVIS IS IDENTIFIED ON BLOODY ELBOW!
I swear, my new goal is for that nickname to make a UFC broadcast.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
You pull that off
and I’ll paypal you $20. You have my word.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like if we grassroots this shit and let it spread kind of organically, eventually it works up through the writers and interviewers.. one day it’ll make it to Buffer.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Good plan.
Get it done. My friend Andrew Jackson’s got your back.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions
"Hamilton ain't no President"
“Nigga what you mean? Your face aint gettin on money if you ain’t no damn President”
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Benjamin Franklin, the second and a half American president.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a quote from "The Wire"
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounded like some shit from The Wire. I never had HBO growing up and it’s the only big series that I haven’t managed to download and finish yet… Hell, I just finished Oz last month I think?
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Breaking Bad is the greatest show of all time.
There. I said it.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
They used to call the nigga
King Franklin, the illest.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Was it filled 3 years ago? Especially in the LW division?
Hell, it’s not filled now.
Brock Lesnar is built like a Black man at HW (Cormier will be there soon enough)
Phil and Jon in LHW
Harris at MW
Doomsday and Koscheck at WW
? at LW
Melvin sucks on the ground and is a flashy banger. You need a Wrestlenegro at each level.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, if we’re talking by class, fair enough. I was just thinking in general.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually kind of disagree
I feel like he does lay on top but he’s active like Guida. Guida doesn’t get stood up because he’s “active” but at the same time not necessarily effective at all with the GnP.
McKee’s mouth is golden, he talks the talk and that’s why he’s ultimately a great fit for the UFC.
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15 straight in 7 years lol thats it i beleive gegard went 15 straight in 4 with better competition and finishes lol
He took off 2 years from fighting back in 2007
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a year and a half, which isn’t much longer than guys who are out for a long time with injuries.
http://www.instrength.com
It's still a big gap in fighting
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny i’m actually waiting for you to beat someone who matters yet here we are in 2010 and that’s yet to happen. Anyone buying this guys bs is incredibly gullible this guy is all talk if he wanted some of the big boys then he wouldn’t spend the majority of his career fighting middle of the pack fighters. I’ve never seen a guy pick and choose more fights, hell M1 would be proud at the way this guy has been protecting his name and that’s exactly why he isn’t even on the zuffa’s radar.
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You do realize that he takes whatever fights he can get.
It’s not like you can just walk into the UFC and start fighting. If you’re a guy fighting in the independent, why would you fight him? You’re gonna lose and look bad losing and you fuck up your chances with bigger organizations. You have no idea how hard it is to find people who want to fight him because he’s that good.
LOL @ him “picking and choosing his fights”
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He's like Fitch or Jon Jones now that he's finishing people.
You basically know you’re going to be held down and beat up. How do you know? Cause that’s what happened to literally everyone they’ve fought outside of GSP.
His style is way too ugly and effective to risk fighting if you’re an up and comer. Maybe if he had a bigger name, it would be worth the risk. Although, at this point, a win over McKee would be huge for any LW. But who can beat him? Its a short list.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Actuaylly there are plenty of places McKee could have chosen to go over these past few years but like I said he’d rather be safe and pick his fights. No one is scared of the guy because he’s done nothing to earn that reputation, it’s fine to be in small shows and call people out but what is stopping him from taking on anyone and everyone that isn’t in the UFC?. I’ll answer that because he knows he would lose if he fought any of the top LW’s outside of zuffa and in turn that would go against this gimmick he’s developed where after beating up a middle of the pack fighter he acts like a big shot and calls out actual top LW’s.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 11, 2010 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Where would he go, per se?
I’m curious. Remember, he took off 2 years from 2007 to the end of 2009. Logically, where could he have gone? He won 6 out of 7 before going to the IFL. He wanted to do that so he could fight and coach. He made it to the finals and the Gracies and the other promoters screwed him. IFL collapsed. He takes the time off and comes back at the beginning of Feb 2009. He’s not gonna fight for a “big” org coming off a big layoff.
So pray tell, where should he have gone and when?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking as a black man, I find the quotes that pdl put up rather concerning. If he is comfortable using that word (frankly I couldn’t care less if it ends with an “a” or “er”) then how on earth can he be marketable? It is bad enough he feels compelled to resort to crude stereotypes in order hype himself.
It would be a PR disaster to have him in either SF or the UFC. I’m from England and any athlete that would openly use a racial epithet wouldn’t be given the time of day. The fact that he himself is black is irrelevant, it’s still offensive imo.
Nigger is an American invention.
We don’t skip across the pond and tell you which slurs you can use. Trollop!
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I always stay out of this type of discussion because the word is not part of my cultural knowledge since I’m from Brazil. The equivalent word here would not be accepted regardless of who says it (black or white), but I always cringe a little when I hear the word that ends with the (er) and not with the (a) for some reason.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
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the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I think that was an attempt at humor
I guess the word has no meaning over seas, compared to what it has here. They say before America, the idea of the lazy, ignorant Negro didn’t exist.
If you read the old explorers journals, you’d think that people actually had respect for the native cultures. Its the genocidal, greed-driven monsters like Columbus who spread the idea of natives being less then human.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
Brazil’s colonial time was considered to be the most atrocious from any other, they not only ‘killed’ rebellious slaves but tortured them for days until they died. Some really bad stuff. I seriously hate the ‘playboy’ term, and usually I’ll just ignore them, but I though Polyhedron was Brazilian, so that’s why I found it a bit annoying.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I've read a little about it, and then stopped reading.
From what I read though, your ancestors freed themselves. That’s something to be proud of. I can’t think of any other place that happened.
He can’t be Brazillian. He has no style. He’s probably never even eaten a plantain.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if you mean ancestors as my African ancestors it’s unfortunately not accurate (though I wish that was the case). We did have a rebellious movement from a group of slaves called Quilombo dos Palmares. They had years of success against the colonials at the time (almost 100 years of being free and organizing their own government), but ultimately lost their war against the colonials.
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I meant it with the most respect possible.
That’s still something to be proud of, for all Brazilians. To me, at least.
Were the rebels not African or were they all killed or something?
I guess I should read up on it. :)
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I didn't take anything you wrote as disrespectful
sorry if my reply read that way :p
I am definitely proud of them, they almost made a treaty with the colonials to stay free in the land they occupied, but their leader at the time was poisoned by other quilombos so it fell through. They were ultimately all killed though, and their leader at the time of their demise was decapitated and his head was exposed to the public on top of pole as a warning to other slaves, sad story :(
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
oh and yeah
they were all Africans, the leader, Zumbi dos Palmares, who was a general before taking the lead, won more battles (against the colonials) than any other general in Brazilian history. That alone, makes me proud!
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People don't realize that African warfare is no joke.
That’s why Portugal(and the rest of Europe) stayed the fuck away from the East coast of Africa. Even the women were tough, the fought in the army just like men.
That part of the continent had seen 60,000+ years of constant tribal warfare. The West coast and central Africa was extremely peaceful compared to most cultures at that time. It was a no brainer.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That story even makes me proud. Somehow.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s definitely a hero to me, when I watched the movie Braveheart, I just couldn’t help but notice the resemblance to their story, I think many cultures have a Zumbi dos Palmares, or a William Wallace, and that type of story makes me really proud of my heritage. They should make a movie out of this!
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I'm sure its worth a look.
look what Mel Gibson did with Apocalypto.
That shit didn’t even have a language that’s currently spoken. Or a real storyline.
Dances with Wolves is another one. Even though he’s white. The movie is really about the Natives.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I could care less for Mel Gibson as a person, but I really dig his movies :p
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Something about making great films makes you a terrible, terrible person.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I just realized
the c word is a Portuguese spelling of ‘creole’.
Here in the states, we call french/native/black people that. Its a culture down south in Louisiana.
Like the term ‘mulatto’ i guess. They call mixed people that here. That’s shit means mule. Part donkey, part horse.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
originally, the term here meant the offspring of European natives in colonial Brazil, or also interracial offspring, but it changed its meaning throughout the years. from my understanding, every culture has different meaning to the word nowadays.
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Doing some reading right now
Brazilian history is really interesting. It both parallels and contrasts with US history.
Zumbi has a sweet statue now. “Zumbi, the black leader of all races.”
Very very cool.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
there are a few statues in tribute to him, it’s a good thing too because his story was not taught in schools for a long time (most history taught was only for the European side for the colonial era). We made a lot of improvements in that aspect in embracing his story since it’s a symbol of resistance.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
What? Haiti off the top of my head
Several nations in Africa
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
I guess in my mind its not the same as Brazil and the US just because of the vastness of the country and how long the colonial powers had been there.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
also
in most of those places the oppressor was severely outnumbered. In Brazil, in wasn’t really the case.
South Africa is the perfect example. It was the homeland of the oppressed, who outnumbered whites 10 to 1 for centuries. Even today, the ratio is 6 to 1 and the country(economy) is still truthfully controlled by a few white folks.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the Brazillian equivalent?
If you feel comfortable typing it. I won’t flag you, maybe.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
crioulo
which during colonial times wasn’t really associated to blacks, but became with time. That term is very rarely used here, blacks, whites, natives, asians, you’re not going to be hearing this term unless it’s coming from a racist. Meanwhile, I think, from what you guys have described here from the term nigga, negão would most likely be the equivalent to that, which literally means ‘big black guy’ and is not considered offensive but rather a caring term. everyone is basically allowed to say that, whites included.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Kinda like the word nigrita.
To Latinos, the word is a compliment. It means little black girl. Apparently, dark woman are very desirable in Latin culture, even Mexico.
Like “Hey, Mami! You’re as black as coal. Will you marry me?”
I was Puerto Rico for a while. There’s no racism whatsoever. Its just weird. Everyone looks something like me and considers themselves Puerto Rican, not black, white or anything else. I loved it there. It was like having my own homeland.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
we don’t look much at races either, we try to stay united by being Brazilians only.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
In 30 years,
we’ll be close. I hope at least.
I’m almost equal parts black, white and native, my fiance’s Japanese. SO we’re doing our part.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
progress is the name of the game :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
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Wait, what?
“Dark women are very desireable in Latin culture, even Mexico”?
Jigga what? Nah, homie.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Its true.
I’ve seen it first hands many times. Mexicans love them a dark sister.
Especially in Latin America. There wasn’t many dark women in Puerto Rico, but the ones who were were bad bitches.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruh, not that way at all
Especially not in Puerto Rico or the DR. SKin shade is currency.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean the dark women are fine, that's not what I'm saying
I’m saying that the brighter your skin, the better
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
HE DIDNT SAY NIGGER, he said Nigga
it’s a word. That we say. Us Black folks. It means “dude” or “brotha”. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nigga.
Jeremy Stephans has said nigga three times on twitter, no one blinked an eye. Rashad and Rampage said nigga so much, their teeth were white. No one blinked an eye.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just messing with you :)
I understand what you’re saying.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
I’m black, too. Figured I should add that. I usually have my picture as my avatar.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
American culture surrounding the use of that word is one of the most sad things that I can think of.
As far as McKee stereotyping himself, etc. – there is this really depressing interplay between the fact that, yes, he most certainly does and the fact that promotions would look for him to do even more of it here in the States.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at the WWE
Bobby Lashley didn’t want to play Sambo so they axed him.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Although I’m not familiar with Lashley’s situation there, that’s not at all surprising. At the risk of sounding like I’m talking down to people, the plain fact is that professional wrestling organizations can afford to be pretty overt with their bullshit social commentary, largely as a consequence of the demographics that they cater to.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean by overt?
You mean having names like K-Kwik, Booker T, Bubba Ray, D Lo Brown, Farooq, Ahmed etc. Or do you mean how Rey Mysterio had to keep it real for La Raza. Or when the undertaker became a white thrash biker.
They might as well come out and say “my character is a flashy black man. I lack the ability or character to be a champion without a white man giving me the title.”
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
All of those are fine examples. This is the one argument that the pro wrestling fans can’t really get around.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The counter I always got was "it's like that for ALL races, they are all stereotypes"
No…not really. Then I just stop bringing it up. Bringing up race/possible discrimination on a majority majority board never goes well. You get labeled as “that guy”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really give a damn about labels. Most people are uncomfortable with the topic and try to rationalize it away. Yeah, it’s true, racial stereotypes come through for all groups on some level. First off, that doesn’t make it right. Second, it doesn’t do much harm when you get to be the guy with blond hair and blue eyes who represents all-American values and a blue collar work ethic… even if you grew up with money and don’t know shit about shit.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember the Junkyard Dog?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Vaguely. I only watched professional wrestling a little as a kid with my grandfather. When he died around 2000, I stopped watching.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That's another of McKee's points
All the other “Iowa cornfed White wrestlers” get labeled as hard working, spend time in the gym guys (like Matt Hughes) while his talents are chalked up to his “athleticism”.
Phil Davis said the same thing a few months ago and the net blew up. “How dare that nigga say that?” “Why is it always about race?”
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I see you. It’s just… look at who/what dominates American culture.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I bet if I search the articles on here, niggas was apoplectic
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Phil Davis is the man.
Anything he says should be taken as truth.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Rampage, is that you?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage wishes he could make them G-R-A-B T-H-E-M C-A-K-E-S
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
OH man wrestling is so fucking racist
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
If that is sarcasm, I think we’re not fully appreciating the range of ways that racism can show up.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And if it wasn’t, then I apologize in advance for assuming it was.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah that's real spit dun dun
I was a big pro wrestling fan, but the WWE was full of that shit. From Saba Simba to Slick to Akeem the African Dream (a White guy, a fat fucking White guy speaking Jive with a map of Africa on his back) to the Godfather to Kofi Kingston (from Ghana acting Jamaican).
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You watch your filthy blasphemer mouth!
The Godfather was an American icon. Pimpin ain’t easy, fool.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man the Ho Train was epic son
I seen a couple hoes that would have a brotha contemplatin payin for it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Possibly the least effective finshing move of all time.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck the finisher, I'm talkin broads
Weakest finisher had to be the dude that would just throw you over the top rope.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That's pretty bad.
I used to love the hoes as well. Hell, I still live the hoes. He just never won. Even when he hit the move, half the time he still lost. That’s bullshit. We all know all finishing moves are 99% unkick-outable, except on PPV.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, there was a racist writer (Michael Hayes) who was making racial jokes and Bobby was upset
and the way they were treating his girlfriend (Kristal) and the storyline they wanted her to do that he was released (part of asttlement that he can’t talk about so it’s obvious there was a gag order/money involved).
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I see
i heard he was uncomfortable with the way they promote blacks and spoke up about it.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
How did he stereotype himself?
By saying “nigga”? That’s not stereotyping.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He acting like a bitter old black man.
cracker ass crackas….
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
McKee stereotypes himself by filling the role of the mad black man. Any promotion would love to have a manageable version of that to sell: 1. to the black youth & 2. to white people.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not "acting". He's upset he's not in the big leagues. He's upset that he's been passed over
That’s not an act.
Now if he turned it up and played a character, I could understand, but he’s not acting. When asked about it, he’ll talk about it, but other than that, he’s llike “Whatever”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
act was a bad word
Being. That’s better.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Well to me, his whole quote about “I apologize for what people are going to see…. I’m mad for this fight” and all that… All that basically said was “look, any of my fans who understand where I’m coming from – I’m about to show my ass a little – I’m gonna turn up the bullshit that they want to see.”
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea yea I get that, but he was talkin about in the ring, not in the interview
He was saying “Y’all gonna see me out there in my monkey suit doing my monkey dance.” He was talking about doing it up in the fight, not the interview.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Says "nigga"? Yes he does. LOL
I was watching some vids of him and King Hutch and Jason High that Jason uploaded from yesterday. LOL. He and King Hutch are funny as fuck
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh. LOL
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions
True, those quotes don’t directly illustrate my original point. But I still believe you can kind of see its relation. It’s evident that he’s conscious of what he’s putting out there both in and outside the ring.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hit the reply button under somebody’s message if you’re looking to respond to them – helps things flow better.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Now we're internettin' like pros.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I’m late Give that man a contract sez i. Stop with the tomfoolery. What up Farns?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Sep 11, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
When I saw the surprising amount of comments this thread had gotten, I thought to myself “I bet half of them are S.C. Michaelson”.. turned out to be true, not surprisingly.
About McKee, he’s too old and says too much stupid shit, also he has a very boring fight style. I’m sure the “big leagues” will do just fine without him.
That was the best development out of this thread
Twas a lot of niggas shittalking too. I think we can claim dutchbaby in the Racial draft.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
PISTOL GRIP P, BITCHES
Phil Davis coming out that H-Burg in Pistolvania, ready to dump on all the bitchmade fighters out there. BRRRRRAAAAT.
And I would be honored to play for the team.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to know you were thinking of me at such an early hour
Actually….lemme take that back.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
meh
Despite what certain posters here would have you believe, beating 23 bums, Marcus Aurelio and Toby Imada does not make you great. I’d respect McKee more if he A) fought anyone decent B) actually did more of what he did last night – go for damaging strikes and work to finish and C) didn’t bore the crowd half to tears by making Jon Fitch look exciting the other 90% of the time.
Having said that, he more than likely should get a shot at the bottom rung of the UFC ladder. However, if memory serves, he was offered a shot at the bottom and said “fuck that, I want Penn.” To which Silva and White probably spent a half hour laughing before turning him down.
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Great? Nah. Good? Yes. Deserving of a shot? Oh hell yes
As for the “fight someone decent”, it’s hard to get fights in the indies if you’re a known winner. But you make a couple decent points.
As for the UFC, FWIK, he hasn’t been contacted recently.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 11, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
damn man
Right the fuck on top of things, haha.
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A couple of things
1. McKee has a solid wrestling game and I could see him giving most of the UFC lightweights big problems.
2. If you can’t beat the style then don’t complain about it…you know what that dude is gonna do and you can’t stop him
3. Azevedo is now has a pussy on his head from that fight and it was his time of the month
4. Do you think McKee likes Dead Prez and Wu-tang Clan?
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McKee is 40.
Might be too old for the Wu. I’d put him on Eric B and Rakim or Big Daddy Kane.
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At 40, he’d have been 23 or so when Enter the 36 came out. I’d say it’s feasible.
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by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray and Ghost yeah, maybe even Deck, but the Wu as a whole? Na. Give me some OC, Phonte or Blaq Poet anyday.
RZA? GZA? Meth? ODB(RIP)?
I put all of those guys above Deck(even though Deck is dope too)
by CaptainKneebar on Sep 11, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Both RZA and GZA are garbage. RZA has no lyrical skills whatsoever. He has produced a few good tracks tho. I have never like Meth, even when he was collabing with Red, still wack as fuck. JoJo Pellagrino is the nicest to come out of Staten. He shits all over any of the Wu lyrically.
GZA made one of the greatest albums in hip hop history. But I like everybody else you’re talking about, so I’m going to just say this is a minor disagreement.
by Brent Ducharme on Sep 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s no way Mandingo deserves a shot against anyone in the upper echelon of the division. I don’t care about his record, he’s not beating anyone of note. It’s not worth the UFC investing their time and money into a 40 year old fighter, big personality or not. I could see Strikeforce taking a shot because of their semi-weak LW division, but I wouldn’t be holding my breath if I was McKee. Let him ride out his career in Edmonton.
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