Zuffa and Media Manipulation at UFC 118
by Mike Fagan on Sep 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
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The UFC doesn't limit its media manipulation to dedicated MMA websites and outlets. Snarky sports blog Deadspin sent out Luke O'Brien to cover UFC 118 in Boston. I don't think O'Brien would describe Zuffa's PR wing as laissez-faire:
As I settled into press row, I couldn't help but reflect upon my recent dealings with the UFC public relations machine, which seems to grow by the day, an indication both of the UFC's unruly expansion and — for a company trafficking in sanctioned brutality — its incredibly thin skin. Things had not gone well. The flacks disapproved of my scribbling and, at one point, suggested I focus more on the action in the cage and less on celebrities tugging pud at urinals. It was apparently deemed gratuitous. I was told I'd made rookie mistakes. I was told, in other words, to get in line. As a pre-condition for granting credentials, an infinitely more accommodating flack nevertheless asked what I "hope[d] to accomplish at UFC 118."
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And we close with following observation. In the information packet given to each reporter before the fights, there was a glossy reproduction of a recent paean to White in the Boston Globe magazine. We've all read this same story so many times, and in every one White seems to grow exponentially richer. The UFC president now has two Ferraris gathering dust from disuse. He thinks nothing of losing $500,000 in an hour at a blackjack table. He pays $2,500 a month in nuisance fees to maintain a huge water slide in his backyard for his kids. On and on go the details of White's happy excess. I dunno. Seems gratuitous.
There's two things to touch on here.
1) Deadspin is a very large sports site. They know their audience. Readers aren't visiting Deadspin for vanilla event reports. They want humor. They want peripherals. They want to be entertained.
Sometimes the sporting event itself isn't the story. One of the most famous pieces about the Kentucky Derby has little to do with equine and equestrians. I'm not suggesting Zuffa allow drug-filled zanies to run around the arenas at the MGM Grand and Mandalay Bay, but the ideal media shouldn't operate as a willing mouthpiece for its subjects either. If Zuffa only wants a narrow brand of coverage, they might be better served banning all independent media and only providing official press releases to various outlets.
2) I'm cautious to touch on the Boston Globe puff piece being handed out at press row. It feels like a cartoonish exaggeration of Dana White's ever growing ego. Surely, it must be satire?
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Dana = UFCs biggest star and biggest draw in MMA.
Why wouldn’t they give the media a packet pumping him up?
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You don't get into UFC shows
Unless you provide safe and friendly content. Remember that next time you’re using the work of the credentialed co-opted media.
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Replace "UFC shows" with "MLB/NFL/NHL/NBA games"
And the comment loses zero meaning
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even close
I know Luke O’Brien personally as well as plenty of other reporters who cover other shows. I’ve never heard one say the other leagues policies are even half as bad as the UFC’s. The UFC’s criteria for credentialing has everything to do with what kind of coverage you’ll offer.
Ask Steve Cofield. Works for ESPN and Yahoo and they yanked his credentials after providing critical coverage. There’s a culture of fear in the media that flat does not exist in other sports.
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The UFC’s criteria for credentialing has everything to do with what kind of coverage you’ll offer.
The hell criteria do other leagues use?
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a sliding scale
The issue is what the threshold is. Most of the other leagues recognize media outlets have to provide coverage of what they see to do their jobs properly. They’ve all got their breaking point, but as O’Brien points out, it’s the UFC that’s incredibly thin skinned. They have no peer in that regard.
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by Luke Thomas on Sep 1, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In general, yes
But I’m fairly certain, though I’ve never dealt with the UFC, that there are certain sports teams that are just as thin-skinned as the UFC.
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by Scott Schroeder on Sep 1, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
The Skins credential 106.7 The Fan even though Dan Snyder owns ESPN 980, the number one direct competitor in the market. UFC won’t even allow small HDNet to get footage of shows and promote their product.
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Jesus
The owner of the team owns the ESPN affiliate? Talk about conflicts of interest. That’s like a company that makes nuclear bombs owning NBC!
Oh, wait.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been to more UFC events as credentialed media than I can remember. This characterization of the UFC PR team is spot on. I’ve covered other professional sports and lots of major league entertainers. I’ve never met a PR team less cooperative or interested in helping.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
I, on the other hand, have been to two as credentialed media and had to jump through fairly ridiculous hoops and give various explanations of who I was currently writing for and what outlet my coverage would show up on.
Their PR team is hands down the least friendly PR team I’ve ever dealt with in my life.
I want people to understand – I don’t mean indifferent. I mean outwardly hostile.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 1, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, exactly.
Most of my PR dealings is with the game media where at worst they are on, as you said, indifferent, and at best are doing everything in their power to help you out. And low and behold, should you provide a less than stellar review of their game or unfavorable coverage, they will still deal with you as a professional next time.
Zuffa’s PR team is something else. When I had my credentials I (fortunately) had some other PR go-betweens to keep it smooth. I’m tempted to search my inbox for some of the old dialogue I had with them but don’t want to raise my blood pressure.
I remember asking them at my first show to help me set up some on camera interviews with their talent. They looked at me like that was the craziest idea anyone had ever had. If you want to succeed at a UFC event, you better already know some fighters or be damned aggressive.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 1, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Spot on.
I was credentialed to work with a NHL team in the past (with a baaaaad press Rep) and they were nowhere near as bad as the horror stories I hear about people who work in MMA reporting. Never once did i get a call or email about negative reporting.
by Jonathan. on Sep 1, 2010 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
;)
How thin-skinned can they be if they’re letting Jon in?
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by Richard Wade on Sep 1, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Troof
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The Kansas City Royals banned perhaps their most prominent fan blogger from games
because he dared to post data – actual data, publicly available – showing that their players got injured more often, and spent more time on the disabled list, than those of any other MLB team.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
For fuck's sake
CLICK the box that says “Open in new window”
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 1, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^This.
I’m not sure why we even allow the option of not opening in a new window.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 1, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
There's nothing worse that
you waiting for it to open in a new tab, then you see the status bar changing and you’re like “NO NO NOOOOOO” and by instinct you hit stop but it’s too late.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn
I normally do
Either way, the point stands – this shit happens everywhere.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a completely different situation...
Dibble travels with the team and is a member of the broadcast team FOR the Nationals.
That’s not the same as managing the content of the media they credential.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 2, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on Subo, you can’t be that blind. Do you see MLB kicking out media that was critical of the strike in ‘94 or the various steroid scandals the sport has endured over the last decade? Of course not, but there’s no way they would get into a UFC event if they had provided similar coverage to MMA.
by ufc4 on Sep 1, 2010 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His reaction seem to prove that their handling of the press is having the desired effect.
by John Nash on Sep 1, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I ONLY LIVE TO SERVE DANA
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dang!
I learn something new everyday, I’ve never even heard of it. Thanks for the info!!
by JONBONESJONES79 on Sep 1, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Think about how many sites there are. That’s pretty damn decent.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand corrected!!
It’s one of the bigger sports websites, but I guess I just troll the larger ones. I’ll have to check it out.
by JONBONESJONES79 on Sep 1, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. Deadspin is awesome.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
by Mike Fagan on Sep 1, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sports By Brooks is roughly 900 times better. Deadspin comes up with a couple decent stories a week and then the commenters do their best to try and ruin it.
by ufc4 on Sep 1, 2010 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Deadspin is built around highlighting the commenters. So if that is not your thing, I understand.
I will say this: if you’re a person that thinks writers at BE are too harsh in their analysis of the fighters….Deadspin is not going to be for you.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 1, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I’m just not into dick measuring contests. Maybe my dick is too small.
by ufc4 on Sep 1, 2010 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Maybe my dick is too small."
No Stand and Bang?
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Looking to grind it out?
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
by SSreporters on Sep 1, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just looking to impose his will for fifteen minutes.
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alas, his cardio is insufficient to go 15 minutes.
by Steve4192 on Sep 1, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
IT IS ALL OVER!!!!!!!
"The only freakshow's the one in my pants"
-James Toney
by chasethegoose on Sep 2, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s from the PED’s he took over the years. He gave himself bad stamina.
by DayGeaux on Sep 1, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has lactic acidosis after 5 minutes.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
by SSreporters on Sep 1, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like he's going to give up mount if it goes longer than that.
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cecil Peoples says top control doesn't win sex.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
by SSreporters on Sep 1, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He's looking for the finish!
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can he finish this early?
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
by SSreporters on Sep 1, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's in a very bad position now, Mike.
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Finishes it with the right hand!
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
by SSreporters on Sep 1, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You there's the right hand and... boom!
Herb Dean has seen enough!
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For you winner by verbal submission....
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
by SSreporters on Sep 1, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Every one of these is a winner.
Spot all gents. I’d rec them all if I…
I don’t know how to finish that sentence, but i’m not reccing them all.
by Body Triangle on Sep 1, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The UFC does not recommend this post.
You are not credentialed.
by Jonathan. on Sep 1, 2010 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you should put him in custard-y
I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.
by Austin Martin on Sep 1, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I like The Big Lead more than Deadspin
The Sports Hernia is the best site for sports parody.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I dislike them equally
TBL – The guy who runs the site is a gossip queen who knows shit about absolutely nothing. He seems to only care about page hits, so he trolls his own commenters in discussions so every story gets 500 comments. “Hmm, I think today I’ll say we need to nuke the Middle East.”
Deadspin – The guy who runs the site is a gossip queen who knows shit about absolutely nothing. Except in this case, he has Gawker’s balls forced down his throat, so he cross-promotes with all their sites (synergy!), and then links to a dozen other articles. I am sure at this point that besides Drew Magary, they have no original content worthwhile.
BOOSH
Dead Wrestler of the Week is some of the best sports writing I’ve read on the internet.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 1, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'll green that
I don’t like most of the content but that series is gold
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
They linked to one of my stories for that. I was so happy.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 1, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The Andre the Giant and Owen Hart pieces are especially good bits of writing.
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Is Vince McMahon actually
Jeff Goldblum?
by menckenstein on Sep 1, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This week – Bam Bam Bigelow’s main squeeze!
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
11 wrestlers have died in the past two weeks
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Deadspin is awesome
The articles are generally pretty funny and worth reading and the comments section is even better.
I read the comments, get about 3 in, and realize everybody’s posting their comment with the subtext, “This is funny guyz, right, right, RIGHT!?” It’s pretty much the worst thing ever.
I rarely tweet
I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
I agree.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 1, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I should also mention
I used to read Deadspin 20 times a day. Since AJ took over I check once a day out of habit, but it bores me.
BOOSH
Deadspin is awful.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 1, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd bet
that 600 of the 781 biggest sites are most likely porn sites…
by T.P. Grant on Sep 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The obssession with mma writers to try and tear down the UFC and basically accuse them of every crime under the sun is disturbing. If it’s not about how the UFC has failed at x or why they suck because they didn’t do y then it’s some biased piece about how manipulative they are. Seriously do you people just wake up every day and think to yourselves how can I put down a billion dollar company that succeeding and prospering in the biggest reccession we’ve had in decades. Yet if I didn’t know any better and took your articles as gospel i’d probably think horrible things about the company and they’re spot that is about as big a manipulation as there is imo.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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"Seriously do you people just wake up every day and think to yourselves how can I put down a billion dollar company that succeeding and prospering in the biggest reccession we’ve had in decades."
No. There goes your dumbass conspiracy.
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by Luke Thomas on Sep 1, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I think you wake up everyday singing Oh What A Beautiful Mornin’.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he sang a song about his beard…
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by Worldisart on Sep 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know, if I did my joke would be plenty more clever. :-)
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A quick google search reveals
This Beard Is For Siobhan by Devendra Banhart
Beard Lust by Natalie Portman’s Shaved Head
Bob Dylan’s 49th Beard by Wilco
My Attempts To Grow A Beard by The Daredevil Christopher Wright
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There's a genre of music called Beardcore.
Men (or women) with beards playing music. To qualify for genre the bands & artists must have no less than 50% of members sporting mad beards (exceptions for solo artist where they must be all 100% bearded). Beardcore is also being referred to as an up & coming style of bouncy, hardcore, pop punk.
http://www.last.fm/tag/beardcore
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's definitely a rec
You win this round. But just wait until my Luke Thomas tribute beard grows in, then I’ll have the upper hand!
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There’s’definitely a song out by a girl about her bf’s’beard tickling her vag..
100 percent true.. It was on barstool sports boston yesterday
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by Austin Martin on Sep 1, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ke$ha says “I love your beard” at the end of one of her songs.
Or at least that’s what Luke told me. :-/
by RoB_ex on Sep 2, 2010 1:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you ever have anything nice to say?
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
He wakes up every morning thinking about how he can bring down our thousand dollar website. If I took his comments as gospel, I’d probably think horrible things about the Bloody Elbow staff.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 1, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
i think horrible things about the BE staff all the time
things like “why can’t you ever tag your posts motherfucker?”
or “how about spell check next time bro!”
or “put ‘UFC’ in the headline!”
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by Kid Nate on Sep 1, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I bitch as much as the next guy, but I’m having a hard time figuring out what he actually likes. Maybe it’s griping at you guys.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Add jemaleddin to that list too. I’m all for healthy debate and what not but there’s a growing contingent of community members here who find it necessary to be incessantly negative. Kind sucks the fun out of it.
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You just have to take Jemaleddin with a grain of salt
Sometimes he can be insightful and considerate, but he just cranks the snark so high up and absolutely refused to back down from any position. Nightwhistler on the other hand is a different breed.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
with jemaleddin you just have to either not reply, or fight back
we’ve tangoed in the past, but he’s good intentioned
I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.
by Austin Martin on Sep 1, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that the same group shows up for the same arguments.
So the people that hate what I have to say in the steroid and BJP threads show up for all the same things I do, and see nothing but the things they already don’t like. If they saw the rest of what I write, they might realize how much of it is meant to be taken as comedy, and that my only reason for complaining is that I want things to improve.
And that the only person I’m consistently mean to is HardCharger. :-) (I do respect that guy though.)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Do you need a foot massage?
You look tired. Come on, I got my technique down – I don’t be tickling or nothing.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Oh look, something more annoying than your hatred for Anderson Silva.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
I’m trying to decide if you are a shill or not. I’m leaning towards no. A shill would have tried much harder to gain the other commenters trust. Also some of your other assholish comments have been anti UFC. I think you may just be a regular un-affiliated dick.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
by Neil Manich on Sep 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I may have to change my tagline to "regular, un-affiliated dick"
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Much love for the Hunter Thompson reference
Fear and Loathing at the Kentucky Derby = the birth of Gonzo journalism.
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I love the reference too, one of my favorite articles of all time. However I doubt the Kentucky Derby folks were too pleased with it and I wonder if he would have been granted press credentials had he applied for them the next year.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Difficult to say
Different time and place. Journalism was a lot different in that era.
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But sporting events have always been protective of their image… which somewhat undermines the reference.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
At the time
Thompson was a complete no name journalist writing for a publication hardly anyone who “mattered” read. Without the use of the internet to do quick checking on a journalists credentials and the use of pseudonyms a common practice, getting credentialed for an event wasn’t that big of an ordeal.
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I guess that's the real difference that makes Hunter such a good read
Lots of people try to act as if they just don’t care and are willing to follow whatever impulse the have, but Hunter really didn’t give a shit (being a bit mad, truly mad, helps a bit…).
At the end of the day he just didn’t care…loved the guy.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Sep 2, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's and Its
Por isso eu tomo ópio / é um remédio / sou um convalescente do momento / moro no rés-do-chão do pensamento / e ver passar a vida faz-me tédio
Aren't you clever
Perhaps next time you could enlighten us with your thoughts on the topic of the article.
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it's = it is
its = possessive
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by Kid Nate on Sep 1, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Nate, come on
The guy asked for an email.
by ufc4 on Sep 1, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 10 recs
AND GREEN
I spit beer while reading that one.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 1, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And since we're in the subject...
Por isso eu tomo ópio / é um remédio / sou um convalescente do momento / moro no rés-do-chão do pensamento / e ver passar a vida faz-me tédio
by Gremio on Sep 1, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats some write up...
So your sayin dana white has a big ego? WOWEY!
“They Called me a Rookie! WAAAAAAA!”
O'Brien
Has been published in everything from The Atlantic to Wired in huge, feature stories. They said an absolutely unfair and insulting comment to him in an attempt to alter his coverage. He’s got a right to push back. The UFC doesn’t hesitate to do that when they feel wronged.
Against level playing fields, much?
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Well now it makes sense. You just wanted to remind us that you read The Atlantic.
by Danny Glover on Sep 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that's it
It’s got nothing to do with me listing a colleague’s accomplishments to show how he was belittled unnecessarily and rudely. Nope, it’s all about telling you what I read.
Seriously, get it together.
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Um… You know that’s a joke right?
by Danny Glover on Sep 1, 2010 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have some respect Luke, you’re talking to Danny Glover for gods sake.
by ufc4 on Sep 1, 2010 6:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Hugo Chavez never treated me like this!
by Danny Glover on Sep 1, 2010 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Speaking of Danny Glover why hasn’t Mel pulled that card yet?
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Sep 1, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It was LOL-worthy.
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by Scott Schroeder on Sep 1, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Who wants to draw attention to the fact that they read The Atlantic?
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by Richard Wade on Sep 1, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
/\ this
that rag has gone to shit so hard in the last 10 years its not even funny.
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Jump to weird conclusions, much?
Level playing fields are cool.. he’s aloud to give an opinion and im aloud to say he comes off like a baby ass.. and hes more than likely smelly…but hey, ive been wrong before.
by BonesJonesOwns on Sep 1, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And he's allowed to disagree with your opinion...
Which, seeing as this is a place where people come to discuss opinions on MMA, you may wish to defend, rather than just say “well it’s my opinion, so it can’t be wrong”.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Sep 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing New About Puff Pieces
Though I’ve never been credentialed for a UFC event I can tell you that promotions distributing self-promoting local/national media is nothing new, and usually at least a half dozen articles slurping the host come stuffed inside the press kit, though a piece making White look like a fuck-all rich SOB does seem kind of odd…
"Every day gets better for me, you know what I'm saying? If anyone has a chance to beat me, it was yesterday..." - Kevin Ferguson
by bloodsportmmadotcom on Sep 1, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions
Whether you approve of the article or not O'Brien is pretty funny
A fat kid with a nuanced grasp of simile sported a t-shirt that said: “I love fighting like a fat kid loves cake.” Clearly, it was going to be a heavy night.
It is a great article. They should be ashamed for trying to censor him. He actually makes the event seem FUN.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
The casual fan would read that article and make sure they had a seat next time. Lucky for Dana and the UFC PR department that O’Brien isn’t a douche and decided to take the shoddy handling personally.
Joe Lauzon
It’s funny because I bought one of those shirts about an hour before I read this article: http://joelauzon.com/blog/2010/09/green-shamrock-shirts/
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by RearNakedSpank on Sep 2, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get it. Some dork gets called a noob and I’m supposed to be infuriated over the UFC’s PR policies. Of course they run their shit with an iron fist, what part of this is new? When are you guys gonna just let it go and accept that maybe their way actually works. The results speak for themselves.
by Danny Glover on Sep 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It flies in the face of good journalism
All they want is to be allowed to go in and do their job without having to dance like a monkey to do so. A journalist’s job isn’t to tow the Zuffa company line because they aren’t Zuffa employees.
If you think it’s completely appropriate perhaps you’d be for things like state run media, that way you’d never know what’s actually happening in the world.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I’d fighter Anderson right now."
- Chael Sonnen at the post fight press conference following his loss to Anderson Silva.
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by MattParker117 on Sep 1, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I’m sorry I’m not on your level of understanding Luke, but this really doesn’t seem like something to be so upset about. I appreciate that you and your staff take pride in your work and hold the UFC accountable unlike many other sites. That being said, I think you’re blowing this WAY out of proportion.
by Danny Glover on Sep 1, 2010 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps we care because it limits our ability to cover the organization for you.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
by Mike Fagan on Sep 1, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you cared that much though
you would stop posting stuff like this, which will piss them off more.. play nice, and eventually you’ll get credentialed, albeit at a sacrifice of journalist integrity.. but really, what is that?
I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.
by Austin Martin on Sep 1, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Playing nice limits coverage.
Do you not get that?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i obviously didn't up the sarcasm enough
i understand completely- but there is one method to satisfy oneself’s personal integrity, and there is another method to get ahead, and achieve a “greater” goal by sacrificing that. Its relevant in any walk of life.
I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.
by Austin Martin on Sep 1, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, lots of people actually believe that tripe.
Didn’t mean to jump on you for a joke.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope you know that was sarcastic.
I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.
by Austin Martin on Sep 1, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But isn’t there a difference between you Fagan, and this guy who seems more interested in Gerard Butler’s cock than the fights.
by Danny Glover on Sep 1, 2010 6:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you read his Deadspin article? His coverage is always top notch.
by Jonathan Snowden on Sep 1, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I read the piece. I can give him credit for style but I just didn’t find it funny. I was honestly left wondering why you guys are offended. A million comments later I get it. Still, is this suprising?
by Danny Glover on Sep 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fagan, I give a shit about Deadspin...and Snowden
It’s your writing that I come here for. That and to blame my worldly problems on Kid Nate. Otherwise Deadspin seems like a haven for those much misaligned souls that have ADHD.
F’k them and the dead mule they rode in on.
KEEP ON KEEPIN’ ON!!
by JAYGK95 on Sep 1, 2010 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I really really really
Wish Strikeforce and Dream weren’t so shady themselves. And don’t even mention Bellator. There really is no alternative. If you like fighting, you are going to have to give some money to people who’s business practices you just don’t really approve of. Its reality.
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At least we always have M-1 Global.
by ufc4 on Sep 1, 2010 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
THANK GOD
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Do you want to be a fucking journalist?!
by menckenstein on Sep 1, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Isn't he?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Sep 1, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Heads up, boxing fan...
This is a common meme in MMA circles. Dana White had a rant on the first season of The Ultimate Fighter where he said “Do you want to be a fucking fighter?!” to everyone in the house. So now, we repeat “Do you want to be a fucking [insert job title/occupation/any noun really]?!”
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite meme really
my favorite hands down is:
Do you want to be a fucking parent?!
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
I think it's time to drop by a porn shoot
And start screaming “Do you want to be a fucking fucker?!”
Ah
Excuse my ignorance :)
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Sep 1, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries, hoping to help you understand our culture.
So you wanna be a fucking MMA fan?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I always tell my reporters “Never leave it in the hands of the PR team”
by DayGeaux on Sep 1, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I always tell my PR team never to leave it in the hands of the press
but there is a respectful way to do things.
Now that’s good stuff right there
by Danny Glover on Sep 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
UFC IS THE GREATEST COMPANY EVER AND EVERY EVENT HAS 100% ACTION 100% OF THE TIME
Credentials, please. :)
I think as the UFC grows and grows...
They in turn are growing their astroturfing efforts. It used to be just logic, but I am pretty convinced there are dozens of UFC people in here now.
Either that, or some extreme bros learned how to log into this site in between sets of bench and curls.
BOOSH
It's the business model
to try to spin and bottleneck coverage of it’s principals and it’s practices, shading it in the most favorable light, and it’s the journalists job to dig deeper behind the press release puff pieces. If they all were willing to say no to the favoritism, the UFC wouldn’t get any pre-screened coverage published, but too many are willing to go along with the ground rules set by the company.
Let me say this about the WEC PR personnel
I don’t have a single bad word to say about them. They’re helpful in getting guests and when there’s critical coverage of them, they reach out to respond but never with fury. Obviously they’re in a significantly different position than the UFC in terms of attracting press attention. I’m just saying it’s not the entire Zuffa operation that operates this way.
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The UFC's control of media stems from insecurities
/sarcasm
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I’d imagine there’s definitely a lot of truth to that. Without getting the tinfoil hat out, I’m pretty sure Dana and company, just like everyone else, have a lot to hide. I’m also of the belief that as good businessmen, the Zuffa brass saw how politicians and the media buried the UFC in the late 90’s. “Human cockfighting” is a tag we’re still trying to eliminate 15 years later.
We all know how Zuffa took hold of the media after purchasing the UFC, and how they’ve used it to their advantage. A young, fringe sport is able to achieve this. But the UFC is quickly becoming a mainstream, global juggernaut, and this approach may not work in the future.
I love Dana’s iron fist, stick it to you style, which is apparently mirrored by the UFC’s promotion department. It’s what got them here. Obviously many of you feel this style is subversive to the growth of the company and MMA in general.
UFC follows the WWF model to a T
The boss’ fabricated background full of spin? Check (hell Vince tried for years to convince people he went to Harvard)
UFC will never be mainstream. Or even bigger than Nascar. It will forever be a fringe sport. It will never get as big as pro wrestling was in its heyday.
I don’t think Dana’s “iron fist” contributed much in the way of getting them here except for how he deals with fighters and the contracts they have them sign. I maintain that you can take a better-mannered MBA and put him in Dana’s spot and they would’ve done just as well. Assuming that they also had connections to stop Nevada from not sanctioning the sport.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 1, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That's an awesome argument...
I disagree with some of your thoughts, but I really like where you’re coming from. I really never looked at it that way.
While I agree that the UFC will never reach 1980’s WWF level success, I think it is already in the mainstream. Tapout shirts are common enough to draw the ire of internet elitists. BJJ gyms in every small town, B-movies, and Enotourage appearances abound, I think the UFC is mainstream.
I don't think you can call UFC/MMA mainstream
or will it ever be. It will appeal to a an audience. A niche audience. Are people aware of it? Sure. Is it cool for Entourage to feed their audience, which is a similar audience, a Chuck Liddell appearance? Sure. Actually, the Entourage appearance is a perfect example since the whole premise was Drama didn’t know who Liddell was. It’s a part of our pop culture which has so many levels and sub-levels. The spectrum is ridiculously wide today.
Well tapout shirts are clothing line affliated with MMA
You’ll rarely see someone in a Chuck Liddell Tshirt. nWo tshirts sold by the millions.
Wrestlers had cereals, foods, everything. Movies, all that. They had primetime shows and tons of appearances on mainstream shows. Steve Austin was so popular on Nash Bridges, they were going to give him his own show. The Rock spun off and is now a Hollywood superstar. That will never happen in MMA. The UFC would cream itself if it could draw 7 million viewers weekly with a competitor running directly opposite you and drawing 5 million. Doubt we’ll ever see UFC fighters invited to both National conventions.
Matter of fact, I’m inspired. I’ll write something tomorrow.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 1, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rock spun off and is now a Hollywood superstar Tim Allen’s replacement in bad Disney tweener movies.
The man is making Arab money.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care how much he is making.
His movies, in general, are awful. I have a 9 year old girl so I am forced to watch the dreck he dolls out.
Uh, he's commanding 20 million a movie
and has his choice in parts, he’s a superstar.
MMA had some * playing Mr. T and a bunch of poorly acted MMA movies.
Though I didn’t enjoy Redbelt (complete with sellout “Gracie” type character which I took as a dig to the Gracies who have sold out the art of BJJ for money) and the cage scene from that DMX/Jet Li movie.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
His quote is different from what he is getting.
There are maybe 5 actors tops that are getting $20mm as salary in today’s environment. If that. The studios are simply not laying out that kind of cash anymore. Dwayne Johnson is not one of those five, by a longshot. A-Team was a failure by studio standards. Plant 51 was a huge failure. The Rock in a lead role today minus Disney=Doom. That’s just the facts, if you smell… Ahhh you get it. Good night.
by memitim on Sep 2, 2010 1:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NASCAR is fucking huge.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 1, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no iz niche
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 1, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure is huge
But it’s still niche.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how they characterize...
Dana white as being evil for being rich and spending his money. If I ever have enough money I’d do silly shit with it too. This has no bearing on me watching UFC or giving a shit about reporters who whine about this crap. It’s not like it’s politics, who gives a shit. Shut up and just watch the event.
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They weren’t whining about the rich guy doing rich things. UFC is promoting Dana’s spending habits and that is kind of odd.
Posting in spite of Snowden.
Who cares?
It’s his money, let him spend it how he sees fit.
“The UFC president now has two Ferraris gathering dust from disuse. He thinks nothing of losing $500,000 in an hour at a blackjack table. He pays $2,500 a month in nuisance fees to maintain a huge water slide in his backyard for his kids”
It’s a slanted tone IMO, that’s all I’m saying, but I still think all these guys are weiners (yes, as in weiners, not whiners before I’m corrected by the thought police) for making such a huge deal of it. Why can’t we just watch it and enjoy it? It’s a sport, not national security, get over it Luke.
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There is a promotional packet detailing how Dana lives. It’s gratuitous.
It’s an article about a journalist talking about how the UFC treats journalists. Luke might care about that sort of thing. You don’t have to but getting miffed about is… well that’s straight internet.
Posting in spite of Snowden.
At the cost of revealing my sweet SB Nation handle...
So we’re clear: I wasn’t whining about Dana making money. I was pointing out that the UFC PR people gave every reporter a press packet in which the most prominent item was a glossy praise song to Dana White, one in which the UFC boss flaunts his money. I found this an interesting contrast, given that I was chastised for going overboard in writing harmless scene stuff that fell outside the UFC’s definitions of acceptable coverage.
—Luke O’Brien
by mosesloaf on Sep 1, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And then Dana will bristle
when someone writes about his massive gambling habits as maybe not a great thing for the head of a sports organization. Damned if you do, damned if you don’. But, fuck it. That’s why you’re journalists. Write what you see, not what they want you to.
It's because Dana is pushing himself as the star
And this the UFC. It’s so no fighter gets too big. He doesn’t want a “Hulk Hogan”. He learned that from Vince.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 1, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be tough to have a “Hulk Hogan” in MMA because the fights are real. The story lines can only be tilted so far in MMA as SF has so aptly shown us in these past 9 months or so.
UFC could easily have more Lesnar in it. If Lesnar loses then it hurts the brand big time.
Dana won’t lose a fight and the UFC brand can be built on his personality and the fights he promotes.
I don’t understand how UFC could have more Lesnar. He is pretty upfront in their overall marketing and successive losses would hurt them. A lot. Dana definitely promotes himself as the brand. No question. And for now it is working. For now. And honestly I hope he is able to build on that and get away from some of his childish antics. I cited Icarus in another post.
Lesnar could never be a "Hogan"
He doesn’t want it. Lesnar realistically could be much bigger than the UFC, if he wanted it. Movies, etc. He’s the larger-than-life athlete that everyone loves to idolize.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar could not be in movies and MMA at this point in his career. First, I don’t think he would be able to act his way out of a paper bag. Second, movies make you soft. Trailers, PA’s, craft services, etc. Not to mention the press tours. Look at the list of MMA stars who have ventured into movies and had their next fight be a win. It’s short. Brock is too late in his career to do both successfully.
by memitim on Sep 2, 2010 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh god, don't be so literal
A “Hulk Hogan” is someone who transcends the sport. Hogan was a “god” back in the 80’s and was right up there with Magic, Bird, Montana, etc in terms of iconography. Hogan got too big to control. Dana White doesn’t want a fighter getting that big. It took Vince YEARS to adjust his style of business to push the BRAND of WWE (somewhere around 2004ish) as the draw as aopposed to the wrestlers.
The UFC learned that lesson much faster.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Sep 2, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a metter of taking the Hogan analogy seriously. They are apples and oranges. Hogan was an entertainment figure. He worked off a script, that not unlike a high profile TV actor would work off of. Jordan was a legend with unbendable will. One is an entertainer that works off a script, the other’s outcome is determined by their will and skill in high pressure situations. Brock the pro-wrestler is different from Brock the MMA fighter. Their presentation, build up, and production value might be the same. The way the outcomes are determined are apples and oranges.
by memitim on Sep 2, 2010 12:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think there’s a slanted tone in the passage you quoted. At all.
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by Mike Fagan on Sep 1, 2010 10:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When Dana sits down at a table and drops $500k in front of journalist
He is inviting that image, he wants it. In fact, I would say he relishes it. I’ve said this before. I would not feel comfortable having the president of my organization dropping that kind of money in the city and casinos they do business with. I think it is a bit like Icarus.
"It’s not like it’s politics, who gives a shit."
“who gives a shit” is actually question. So, please write, “Who gives a shit?”
To answer your statement, which was supposed to be a question: anyone with half a brain.
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I finished reading a good and thoughtful article by Snowden yesterday and was impressed by it’s quality and professionalism. Then I check today and this whining dribble is back along with BE writers posting snide and silly remarks, appearing convinced that it is journalistically acceptable because a reader posted a snide and silly post to an equally anti-UFC story.
This whole story and subsequent posting illustrates little other then many at BE are themselves thin-skinned. The level of anti-UFC discourse is difficult to stomach at times.
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by Kid Nate on Sep 2, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 2, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Defense of the free press is "whining dribble"?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Sep 2, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like a website that cover the nuances of all things mma isn't for you
You obviously read articles from people who cover mma events. When one of those people describes how the UFC influences what you read you call it whinnig anti-ufc dribble. It may not be particlarly important to you to know some of this behind the scenes info but you sound slightly bizare complaining about it being brought to the attention of people who are interested.
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by Hardy's in your face on Sep 2, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
^i swear i hit reply to deanhead ^
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Sep 2, 2010 12:23 AM EDT reply actions
Nope
I’m pretty sure you fucked that up.
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by RearNakedSpank on Sep 2, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I had to do something to make you look good
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Sep 2, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
image fail
perception is reality
by Marvin Malehooves on Sep 2, 2010 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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