UFC Welterweight Mike Pierce Makes Convincing Case for Relevant Fights After Dominating Performance
Success in the UFC's welterweight division is hard to come by these days. The division is filled with nineteen of the top twenty-five welterweights in the world on our USAT/SBN rankings, and that makes it a true shark-infested ocean of talent. So, believe me when I say it's very tough for anyone to come in at the bottom of the depth chart and find the motivation to work their way up through the ranks.
Mike Pierce is one of the few who have found success in the bottom rungs of the division, and he continued his progression toward the top of the division Saturday night on UFC 118's preliminary card. In a very intriguing style match-up that pitted Pierce against Nova Uniao prospect Amilcar Alves, Pierce had the opportunity to derail a heavily-hyped talent while simultaneously earning his third win. On paper, Alves looked like he may be a future destroyer in a division filled with wrestling talent. Great Muay Thai, solid grappling skills, and the knockout power that nearly every Brazilian striker possesses. Unfortunately, Mike Pierce stood in his way.
Pierce dominated Amilcar Alves for three rounds. While it wasn't a complete drubbing in the sense that Pierce was making mincemeat of Alves' face, Alves had no answer for Pierce's outstanding wrestling, strength, and clinch game. Furthermore, Pierce wore out Alves against the fence, dumping him repeatedly until Alves succumbed to a straight armbar from half guard in the third round -- earning Pierce his first win via stoppage in the UFC.
Pierce isn't going to be a fan favorite, let's make that clear. He's a grinding wrestler who has the strength, conditioning, and underrated striking game to be a Jon Fitch prototype. He's intelligent when it comes to his strategy, only resorts to striking when he's confident he can win exchanges, and relies on takedowns and wrestling to eliminate threats to him on the feet. He's the perfect blue collar, grind 'em out athlete, and while some fans will absolutely hate to watch him fight -- I can't help but appreciate what he brings to the cage.
Bigger fights should be on the horizon, and Pierce has already suggested who Joe Silva should put in the Octagon with him. While he's perfectly content with battling whoever the UFC puts in front of him, Pierce called out Jon Fitch's last opponent, Thiago Alves, when asked by MMAJunkie.com Radio:
"[Fitch] was all over him, man" Pierce said. "I don't know if it was the weight cut or something mentally that got to [Alves] maybe. He just did not look like the same fighter as in their previous fight.
"I felt I did a lot better against Jon Fitch than Thiago did his last time around. I think it would be a pretty good fight, a lot of fireworks. There would be a lot of excitement."
Surprising to most fans, Pierce was a very game opponent for Jon Fitch. Coming in on short notice, Pierce was able to wrestle with him for most of the fight, and he even stunned Fitch late in the third round, buckling him and nearly ending his run at title contention. Pierce lost the decision, but he certainly gained the respect of many fans who felt the bout was an easy win for Fitch.
Other UFC welterweights should be on notice. Mike Pierce is not a name you want to see being spit out of a fax machine on a fight agreement. I'm fairly confident that Pierce can beat most of the welterweights outside of the top 10, and I wouldn't be surprised if he can keep Thiago Alves on his back for 15 minutes either. Pierce's time has come, and he'll be taking the steps forward to solidify himself as a top ten welterweight within the next year.
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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
WW is stacked
With Stun Gun Kim, Hathaway, Hendricks and maybe Claude Patrick and Rory McDonald down the road. Pierce greatly impressed me against Fitch. Not to mention all the big names.
Really, GSP will be busy for a while. Makes you wonder whether Shields should have stayed at 185, seeing as how vulnerable A. Silva looked against a good wrestler (even if he was hurt).
If I were Shields, I would have immediately started angling for a fight with Silva. I would have done this before the Sonnen fight however, and I also think he never should have dropped to WW.
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Mike Pierce is a top 10 fighter in terms of skill.
Ellenberger or Hathaway would be a good next step for him, and I’m inclined to pick him for either of those fights. I suspect they’ll keep him away from Condit as they want to protect their WEC illusion. For my money, Pierce beats Dan Hardy tomorrow if they fight.
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Hardy was just a right place right time fighter
He probably loses to Kampann, Pierce, Ellenberger, Kim, and I ’m picking him to get destroyed by Condit.
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I am not so sure about Condit, but I agree on the others.
Pretty much any grappler beats up on Hardy.
Condit was also a 'right place right time' fighter.
WEC illusion, as I said above. Ben Henderson is the new version of this.
Hardy vs. Condit is a great fight of top 15-20 guys, but it’s certainly no killer matchup of superior talents. Daley is clearly the best British fighter today, in my opinion.
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
His finishing ability at high levels is in question to me
and I’d like to see him against a good wrestler/submission artist to see how that goes. A half-trained Diego doesn’t impress much.
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You rank Hardy in the 15-20 range?
If you don’t mind, please rank 14 guys better at 170 than Dan Hardy.
That was just shooting a number off the top of my head, but I'll try...
GSP, Fitch, Shields, Alves, Nick Diaz, Hughes, Kampmann, Paulo Thiago, Koscheck, Daley, Heiron, Ellenberger, Pierce, Stun Gun. There’s 14.
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to disagree with you on Jay Hieron, Paulo Thiago, Ellenberger, Pierce, Kim, and I even have Dan slightly above Paul Daley. While I would favor Ellenberger and Pierce if they were to fight Dan Hardy, I can’t place them above Hardy based on merit (caliber of wins).
Paulo finished Swick handily and has serious power and submissions.
Hardy did/does not. Pierce has only lost to Fitch and dominated everyone else he’s fought in the UFC. Hardy has had close split decisions. Daley at least has proven, ferocious knockout power.
Hardy’s best moment is getting unsurprisingly outclassed by the first wrestler he’s faced in the UFC and landing 1/5th of a strike per round. What great wins does he have? If I recall correctly (haven’t watched it in awhile) he struggled against Yoshida. Damn.
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hardy had Swick badly hurt at least two times in their fight(Rogan claimed that Swick was immediately rocked at the beginning of the fight but that is debatable). The reason I point to for Thiago getting the finish at Dan not getting the finish is that Dan doesn’t have the same type of affinity for submissions that Thiago does, if Dan did — he would probably got the finish just like Thiago.
Also, both of his win over Gono and Marcus Davis were good wins at their respective times. Now given hindsight, one might look to downgrade those wins, but they those were relevant victories at the time.
You know who Paul Daley was decisively beaten by fairly recently? Nick Thompson! If I remember correctly, a large part of that fight was contested on the feet, where Daley was thoroughly out struck. And not to mention, Daley has been thoroughly out grappled by the elite grapplers that he has faced (e.g. Shields and Koscheck).
You mean to say that if Dan Hardy had more power and could actually knock Swick down
and spent several more years training to get a black belt in jiujitsu,, then he’d have been able to do what Paulo Thiago did? I agree! If Dan Hardy were a better fighter, he might be as good as Paulo Thiago. Shocking!
Marcus Davis has never been more than a gatekeeper, and Hardy barely won that decision. Ben Saunders (out of the UFC) and Nate Diaz (historically middling) both finished him since then, and it’s not because the wheels fell off. It’s because they fought better.
I’ll give you that Daley lost to The Goat. But he’s also KO’d his opponents in 13 of his last 17 fights. Over the same number of fights, Hardy is at half of that… 7 stoppages by strikes.
Face it, you’re a mark for Countdown and 24/7. Hardy talked his way into relevance.
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by pdl on Sep 1, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and spent several more years training to get a black belt in jiujitsu,, then he’d have been able to do what Paulo Thiago did? I agree! If Dan Hardy were a better fighter, he might be as good as Paulo Thiago. Shocking!
My whole “Hardy rocked Swick as well spiel” was mainly to illustrate that he has at least has comparable to that of Paulo Thiago, which you stated that he didn’t. Yes, Paulo Thiago has better submission ability than Dan Hardy; in that area of the fight game is simply better but that doesn’t automatically make him an all-around better fighter. If Paulo Thiago and Dan Hardy were to fight I believe Hardy would keep the fight vertical were I believe he has the advantage; therefore, in my opinion, Hardy wins that fight.
To your discrediting of Hardy’s win over Marcus Davis, all I can say is hindsight is beautiful thing.
Condit was no illusion if you knew about who he fought and beaten before coming to the UFC you’d know how silly you sound. The fact is that Condit became a shell of himself the moment he went to ASC now that he’s left and rejoined Jackson you’re starting to see the same guy who was destroying Charruto and Trigg back when they were top WW’s.
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by Nightwhistler on Sep 1, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Silly?
When Condit came to the UFC, many people were ranking him in the top 10.
Sure he beat Trigg, and Charuto (who really was never considered a top ww, even if he did fight for the title).
But those wins, along with wins over Brock Larson, Carlo Prater, and John Alessio don’t make you a top 10 fighters.
let’s be honest the UFC really hasn’t given him easy fights…
Kampmann, who everyone is obsessed with after thiago
Ellenburger—TOUGH dude with huge power for WW in his hands and strong wrestler
Macdonald—Unproven but undefeated prospect who clearly was very good, pretty much a no-win scenario for Condit.
I’m def picking him to beat Hardy. Will he be UFC champion? Probably not, but he’s not a washout either.
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by Derek Suboticki on Sep 2, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Pierce but that might be too high. Given his cardio and output, I’d say he’ll beat most people he can outwrestle but he’s likely going to be beaten by everyone he can’t. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 8 fighters who are somewhere between better and vastly better wrestlers than Pierce in the WW division — Ellenberger, Fitch, Hendricks, Kos, Askren, Shields, Woodley, Nathan Coy, and GSP. The WW division has more stud wrestlers (at least 4 — GSP, Kos, Askren and Hendricks) than any other division. I recall Pierce having significant trouble taking down Justin Haskins, who’s not a wrestler. He’s simply not going to have an easy time at WW. Nevertheless heart, cardio and determination will take you pretty far and he seems to have that in abundance.
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vs. Mike Pierce as a headlining UFN would be sick. Hendricks is the best prospect in this division and is undefeated with 4 wins and zero losses.
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I like the idea. Hendricks is a million times more credentialed a wrestler but Pierce seems to have Diego like determination and cardio so I’d never count him out, although I think he’d likely lose.
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Yeah, I'd love this, I think Hendricks scores a TKO in the second after frustrating him on the mat.
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Pierce, although Fitch beat him
Also rocked Jon very late in that fight.
Mo Johnston is what John Schneider could be in 4 years.
Pierce, Ellenberger, Story and Hendricks
all have the potential to make a big splash at 170…I’m not sold on Macdonald yet though.
by Scott Haber on Sep 1, 2010 3:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree...
I have trouble seeing any of these strikers or grapplers in the WW having any chance against the rediculas wrestlers that are in the WW division.
Guys like Almedia, Condit, Swick, Hardy… They are all gonna have a problem if they can’t figure out a way to defend a take down, or really work from their back, because from GSP to Fitch to Kos all the way down, WW is the one division where wrestling is king.
What about Hathaway??
I totally agree on rick story though, they need to start getting him some airtime
Pierce really gave Fitch a run for his money, with Fitch struggling the entire first 2 rounds to take him down and then he of course rocked Fitch in the 3rd.
While Fitch and Pierce do have characteristics that parallel each other, I believe Pierce has something that Fitch seems to lack — the ability to finish. Pierce has already shown that he is somewhat submission savvy and I feel that he has good amount of power in his hands. This ability to finish is what is going save him from being labeled as “boring”, something Jon Fitch is quite accustom to being labeled as.
What ability to finish?
You’re basing this on one minute of trying to finish (and succeeding) against Amilcar Alves? Or on the other low level fighters he finished? Fitch had quite a few finishes before he faced the tough mofos in the UFC.
Pierce’s UFC fights have been as boring and arguably more so than Fitch’s.
Let’s be honest, you haven’t seen either the Pierce/ Larson fight or the Pierce/ Paulino, so you’re being pretty presumptuous about the overall excitement level of Mike Pierce’s fights in the UFC. My guess is that you simply looked up his record and saw that both of those fights were decisions and you automatically assumed they were boring. Am I right? (lets see how honest of a person you are because we both know the answer is no)
You know who have seen Mike Pierce fight before? I’ve seen him fight Justin Haskins in the WEC, I’ve seen his fight with Fitch, and I’ve seen the armbar of Amilcar Alves. All of those fights have shown me he has finishing ability.
And to your point that Fitch has finished lower caliber fighters before (compared to who he is facing now), that’s correct, he has, but to me Mike Pierce appears to be the more powerful man. Yes, that sounds like a cope out that is solely based on a hunch; it is just my opinion and I believe this power will be on display in the coming future, you just wait and see buddy.
A little while back people were constanly complaining about the lack of depth at 170...
now the division seems to be bursting at the seams with young talent.
Only because GSP is so far ahead of the others
If you removed GSP, WW would look extremely competitive and a lot like LHW.
I’m not even sure why people thought WW had no depth. The UFC has 12 or 13 of the top 15 WWs. Swick and Kampmann both did very well at MW before dropping down to WW, and they’re not having any easier fights now.
GSP has mowed through so many top WWs that are still very good, so maybe that’s why it looks like there’s a lack of contenders, but the division has always been deep. The only difference between then and now is that the UFC has a few more guys that they can keep isolated from Fitch/Alves/Koscheck while still looking like legit contenders.
WW will always be the deepest division. it’s closest to average weight and has the largest pool of men to draw from.
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by eastcoastatlas on Sep 2, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
hope stun gun stays healthy
his lack of fights get him no serious contender talk
about time
i have liked this guy ever since he almost ko’d fitch but we all know this ain’t horseshoes but would love to see how a rematch would go if he actually had a full camp to prepare i just want to see fitch finished and i can’t explain why but i know one day i will experience that moment
I think Pierce's first big moment was against Brock Larson
Larson was a heavy favorite (-600) against Pierce. Pierce derailed that hype train, although Larson furthered the damage when he was -600 again (against Foster) and lost.
I’m not too big on Alves facing Pierce, though. Let Alves get his confidence back against a non-wrestler first. Alves adds balance to the wrestling-heavy WW division and the UFC needs to keep him looking good rather than risking a 3 fight losing streak (I know, no shame in losing to GSP and Fitch, but still).
I think he should face either Swick or the loser of Kampmann-Shields, and Alves gets the other one. Swick will never be a legit contender, so no worries if he loses, and whether Kampmann loses as expected or Shields does, it will be a perfect stepping stone for Pierce.
Given his showings against Larson and Fitch, Pierce shouldn’t have been relegated to the prelims against UFC débutantes. But I suppose he missed his chance to become the new Fitch, and maybe it works out well for him—this way he develops some hype, because he’s winning, without the wrestler’s backlash.
Just when everyone thought GSP cleaned out the division, there is Jake Shields, and then alot of up and coming talent that should start to really establish itself over the next year. There are 8 guys without fights at WW right now that I have ranked right near each other. 6 of them are up and coming guys, and the other two are more well know veterans. Here are the 4 fights I’d like to see to sort out the group, and move the winner up to fights against top 10 guys. Guys like Rory McDonald, Claude Patrick, Matt Riddle, and Charlie Brenneman are 1 or 2 fights away from joining this group as well.
Pierce v Ellenburger
Hendricks v Kim
Diaz v Swick
Story v Almedia

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