After UFC 117 Drama, Who Gets Next Shot at Anderson Silva, Chael Sonnen or Vitor Belfort?
by Nate Wilcox on Aug 8, 2010 6:16 PM EDT
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Dana White wasn't ruling out any options at the post fight press conference, per Sherdog:
"It's definitely a rematch people would want to see," said White, referring to a slew of requests to his Twitter account directly following the five-round barnburner. "We'll see what happens. Vitor (Belfort's) waiting to fight right now, too. We could do the rematch with Chael. We'll see what happens."
Chael and Anderson are both open to the prospect of a rematch:
"I'm a fighter and I'm here for the UFC and whatever the UFC decides is fine with me," said Silva.
Sonnen was equally receptive to the proposition of meeting Silva again.
"There's true camaraderie when you compete against somebody. I don't have ill will towards Anderson and I don't wish him a bad life," said Sonnen, "but here's the truth. If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now."
Dave Meltzer is 100% about the immediate rematch:
Consider this: Sonnen was able to talk people into buying a match that a month earlier they could have cared less about. And he talked people into buying a match that most thought wouldn't even be competitive. The sky is the limit for Sonnen's hype skills coming off what will likely be regarded as one of the all-time classic MMA matches. It was the first time a champion had ever lost four straight rounds, big, and came back to win by finish in the fifth.
Another reason to go straight to a Silva-Sonnen rematch is the nature of mixed martial arts. If this match is passed up in favor of Silva vs. Belfort, and Sonnen is put against another contender, it's at best a crap shoot that both men will win. And if the chips don't fall right, what could be one of the biggest matches in company history could fall through the cracks.
But there are others who resist the idea of an immediate rematch, like BE commenter proflex:
WHY? Immediate rematch possibly for Sonnen? Is this going to start a trend, oh you lost, ok, we'll give you a rematch, forget the rest of the people waiting to take on the champ. There was nothing controversial, nothing to talk about but the fact that it was a great fight. Sonnen lost, next in line.
MMA Junkie makes the counter-case, then backs off with a little bit of info about the business that UFC 117 did:
So why not give him a second chance at the gold? For one, the UFC may be banking on Belfort's notoriety. Granted, he's only fought once since a five-year absence from the UFC, and that knockout victory over Franklin at UFC 103 didn't even take place at middleweight. But many fans still remember a 19-year-old "Phenom" making his promotional debut in 1997 and emerging as one of the sport's early stars. And the UFC has a vault full of Belfort fight footage to hype the bout.
Additionally, Silva and Belfort are fairly equally matched, which could produce a competitive bout with new marketing opportunities.
But there's no doubting Silva vs. Sonnen II could do big business. White, after all, said UFC 117 is on pace ("trending") for a big PPV buy total.
"Trending tonight was insane," he said after the event. "We think we did a big number tonight - a really big number. If not one more [expletive] person buys this pay-per-view, I'm happy as a pig in [expletive]. That's how well we did.
"We have a little formula, and we know how to calculate what we think we're going to do. It was a 'holy [expletive]' moment again."
I think the gravitational pull of the money is going to be too much for the Vitor vs Anderson bout. Also there have been rumors of the UFC wanting Vitor on the UFC 122 card rumored for Germany. It would allow Belfort to get an actual win at middleweight in the UFC before fighting for the belt.
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If they're healthy, we'll get a rematch.
There is no other fight at MW that could do close to the number of Silva-Sonnen II, AND it sets up the potential for what could be the greatest trilogy in the history of the division.
No other reasoning really matters. A rematch would do even bigger business than the first one, which, as the post points out, was huge.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Plus, no more "Anderson Silva can't draw" articles!
I really hope this card did 500k.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And if it did 500k....
485k would be because of Chael’s mouth, not Silva’s draw.
So…yes, Silva can’t draw.
by Vox on Aug 8, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Their rematch will probably double whatever this fight did.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering Silva does about 350K
And that was on cards with nobody on them. And this one had the post-Lesnar bump. And the 3rd card after two good cards in a row. And two number 1 contender matches.
Chael’s “draw” isn’t as large as people think.
Unless this did like 800K
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it did about that.
I know a few people who don’t usually watch MMA who bought it, just to see AS fuck Chael up.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Word is that it's close to a million buys.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
If it did that much, then a lot of it is on Chael
But I think the a) post Lesnar bump, b) 2 good PPVs in a row and c) other important matches factor can’t be denied
I think Chael’s shit talking brough in another 200K buys
HOWEVER maybe the UFC’s everage is just going up. 113 did about 700 IIRC, 114 did over a mil, 115 600K, 116 a mil.2
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 9, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t the baseline like 300K, though?
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by Richard Wade on Aug 9, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Question...
Why is that in your sig? It seems obnoxiously long, and weren’t the majority of people saying that he was going to gas, etc?
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Twitter me and what not.
by James Brady on Aug 9, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A rematch makes the most sense to me.
Let Belfort fight Okami for who’s next.
by truck on Aug 8, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dana White: "I'll be as happy as a pig in shit."
That’s funny ’cuz I know alot of people who think of him in that way.
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 8, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
pretty sure
the only reason most of us who want a rematch are saying this is because Sonnen was 2 minutes away from one of the biggest upsets in MMA history – owning Anderson Silva for 5 solid rounds.
Is this going to start a trend, oh you lost, ok, we’ll give you a rematch, forget the rest of the people waiting to take on the champ.
IMO. it has nothing to do with this current situation. Silva has cleaned out the division. Aside from possibly Okami and MAYBE Belfort who has never fought at 185 before, there isn’t a credible challenger left with the credentials to warrant a title fight.
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Belfort has fought several fights at 185
But only the one win against Franklin does not get a title shot IMO
I agree,
Belfort should fight at least one more tuner fight. Sonnen earned another shot IMO but Im happy with either. Belfort-Silva would be exciting, but I would love to see how Anderson comes in for a rematch with Chael.
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Yeah, I don't like the "Chael lost, move on" argument
Chael didn’t just lose, he beat the living hell out of the champion for 4 plus rounds, and then got caught at the very end. This is certainly isn’t your normal title defense, and I think an immediate rematch is warranted.
"beat the living hell" is an overstatement
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah. Sonnen rode him and babyshotted him for 4/5ths of the fight
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
A few big shots is not getting the "holy hell beat out of him"
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
A few big shots is not getting the "holy hell beat out of him"
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say a few, I said plenty. And the compustrike numbers speak for themselves.
Chael embarrassed Silva for 99% of the fight.
I'm looking at the fight right now
I stand by my point. Maybe 15 or so hard shots. And only a couple phazed Anderson. Sonnen was phazed by just as many shots too.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You forget the times Chael knocked Andy down.
we’ve never seen anyone do that.
BTW Matt Hughes won :P (I love you black)
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You mean the part where he hit him with a straight and Anderson lost his balance?
popped right up and wasn’t dizzied?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we all just try to look at this unbiased?
Chael stunned Anderson with one good punch which temporarily threw off his balance, but his butt never even touched the canvas. Not only did Chael not knock him down, but Rollo also makes the implication that Anderson was dropped multiple times. If the fifth round is what is being referred to, it was established by even Rogan himself during the broadcast after watching a replay that Anderson had actually slipped.
I agree with Black on this, afterwards Anderson didn’t really look all that phased physically speaking, it seemed he was more psychologically bothered by it then anything.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
by Fake Emcee on Aug 8, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. Stunned is another word I would use. Just not "rocked" that word is overused
I’ve watched the fight since and there’s only one more “knockdown” and that was more of a slip even though Rogan yells HE ROCKED HIM!!!!!111
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
AS didn’t even seem to care about getting hit after the initial shock of Chael actually connecting with an OK punch.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said below, Chael would just land a shot on Anderson and Rogan and Goldie were jumping out of their seats even though it looked like Anderson was intentionally dropping his hands, probably doing so to compensate for looking like he was actually hurt by Sonnen earlier.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
You'll notice a rec on said post....
I don’t know what he was thinking, but yeah it looked like he was overcompensating for getting surprised. In all honesty, Chael’s GnP didn’t even seem to affect AS very much.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe was acting like Lampley during that Manny fight
BANG bANG BANGBANGBANGBANG
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually kind of take offense to that.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
but you’re not subo, you’re Derek Suboticki
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Read the bottom of the sig, sucka
That shit is like nWo – 4 life
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
NOT FUNNY
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
c'mon man
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Aug 8, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMG SILVA GOT ROCKED!@!!@@!221
For file size sake, I had to cut it off there, but Anderson stands straight up for the next few seconds, Chael grabs a clinch and uppercuts him a couple times and Silva doesn’t look rocked at all.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT????
He got hit on the chin and his knees go out.
We’ve never seen that happen to him before.
If anything that gif makes me want a rematch even MORE!
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You may have never seen this before
But he did not get rocked and his knees did not give out, his feet were out of placement and the angle of the punch made him lose balance.
OK man
I guess we’re looking at 2 different fights.
BTW that wasn’t the only time Sonnen cliped andy in the fight.
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I got the other gif coming
The 2nd one was more of a knockdown than that one was.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Quite understandable
Your looking at it from a fanboy view, I am looking at it as an expert in the field.
so you're an expert huh?
you must be real smart
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I ams
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ten years of Tae-jitsu
That’s why, Buddy!
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he got hit and went off balance
His knees “gave out” but he must have the world’s best recovery because he got right up.
His butt didn’t touch the ground.
That isn’t “rocked”. Rocked is when your world is fucked up.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ever been rocked?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Quite a few times.
You’re not fine one second later.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference in terms, I guess – I think Leben and Akiyama were both “rocked” for about the last half of the second round.
Rocked = affected, wobbly, glazed-eyes, knees wobbly
(I can see how clipped works too)
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering Leben didn’t even know what round it was when he won, I’d say he was rocked…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 8, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
And Anderson was none of those.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t affected? Was that a dance move he did after getting hit on the chin?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he was faking it.
or he couldn’t get his footing (cuz he’s such a klutz)
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What dance?
He dipped and then got right up. he then stood up straight. And then engaged with Chael.
The 2nd knockdown was a slip and Chael jumped on top of him. And then ended up getting subbed.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
OK clipped
can we go with clipped?
However you want to word it, Chael did better on the feet than anyone else in the UFC.
"I ain't got time to breath."
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Due to AS's disrespect toward him
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
AS is in his own head though, which is even worse.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with both statements
By a large margin he did better. He outstruck Silva on the feet, something no one has done in the UFC.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
To shut up everyone.
But he doesn’t “deserve” a rematch just because he almost won.
If he gets it, he gets it. I’d rather see Vitor right now.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Vitor should have to beat Okami who currently owns a win albeit controversial one over Anderson. Vitor beat Rich Franklin at a catch weight, let him notch a win over a contender at 85 then fight for the title.
Of course we've never seen it before
That said, don’t make it to be something more than what it was.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What it was
was a great fight and I want to see another one.
Of course Vitor would be a great fight too.
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Yes, I agree with all 3 of those statements
My point is, it wasn’t this big knockdown that people say it was.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's official
When it comes to Anderson Silva, you cannot be taken seriously.
by Razzel on Aug 8, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
At the very least
Let us semantically agree that he put him on Queer Street.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
We have one here
the entire downtown Portland area
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Strangely
Most of the guys I like or agree with on here seem to be West Coasters.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause the west coast is the best coast. Don’t worry though, Portland still has…Chael Sonnen…and Greg Oden’s giant penis.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
I've heard first hand
that mine is bigger.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Greg Oden is a popular guy. We’ve crossed paths more than once.
I know three hoes I’ve fucked with who’ve fucked with GO. They all say the same thing….
I was surprised cause he’s hella tall and I’m hella short.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You can do better than GO sloppy seconds.
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know...
but any hot girl 18-24 has a 50% chance of sleeping with Greg Oden.
When bitches brag about that shit I just tell em “you and every other broad in the Portland Metro area.”
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
All you gotta do is find that picture of him floating around the internet (I’ve never seen it personally) and just compare notes.
Btw, you must have serious bank if you can afford the same prostitutes as Greg Oden, I’m impressed!
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
Oden was notorious at the underage juice bars
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You gotta do something to fill all that time off…
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Naw they just hoes.
I know a couple girls well, a couple were just acquaintances.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Beavertown is not Portland
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I live about 10 mintues from dtown portland
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
what town?
I know Portland pretty well. I used to live in Lake Oswego (sp?)
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Beaverton
Canyon road.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So do people in Vancouver
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny guy....
I think Portland city limits is about two miles down Beaverton/Hillsdale hwy.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Messing with you Farnsy
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
From now on
I want to be known as ‘the Farns’.
Farnsy, if you’re nasty.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want a large Farns I want a god damn litre of cola
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Queer street is too strong
he definitely stunned him, but a guy like Leben is on queer street when he doesn’t know what round he’s in, not Anderson who gets stumbled for a second but immediately gets his footing back.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
untill Sonnen put's him on his back..
see this is why we need an imidiate rematch.
We don’t want to argue this fight for 50 years.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Why not?
my schedules clear.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
by Fake Emcee on Aug 8, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not mine
I gotta be a wing man on a double date tonight. UGH. (Please be hot)
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
My buddy has an interesting way of implementing his wing man status. What he does is he insults you in front of a chick, and then she’s supposed to jump to your aide and defend you from your mean friend, either that or she just ends up banging him.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
interesting
I think I’ll try insulting my date alot…..see where that gets me…
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Somehow
Pretty much every girl I’ve ever straight insulted or cussed out to her face ends up wanting it.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Try watching the fight without Joe Lampley in your ear
BANG BANG BANGBANGBANGBANG TRY AND STOP SONNEN? BANGBANG
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Time to make a gif
brb
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
embarrassed, really?
Nothing embarrassing about being controlled by a wrestler like Sonnen. Silva not only took the punches and stayed calm, he elbowed Chael’s face into a pulp in the process.
Sonnen either has no power, or Silva has a great chin. (I choose the latter.)
Additionally, Silva proved his conditioning is superb, and that a black belt from Nogeira brothers makes a wrestling champ tap.
..!..
Your sig is too long.
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by toxic on Aug 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
true that
we get it, you called the fight.
A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.
Proud BElitest.
Who is Matt Huges?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Some old fart who should retire.
BTW… Hughes (grammer Nazi)
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Grammer
that is awesome
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
subtle joke
make the internet go ’round
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
IF...
any of u were on the receiving end of what chael sonnen did u would most definitely think to urself that ur getting the hell beat out of u! that was a bonafide ass whipping
Not really
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot better than Silva could. hahaha
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Second most shots ever landed in a fight in the UFC.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Aug 9, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I do want to see a rematch
But Sonnen will need some serious sub defense training.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Frankling fight was 195 if memory serves
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont want to see an immediate rematch. Chael fought a nearly perfect fight, Anderson claims he was injured. Im not sure lightening strikes twice and we get another fight like that. Its sure to disappoint.
Plus if Anderson does have a somewhat serious rib injury he’s going to be out for awhile. It doesnt make sense to have Chael sitting out waiting for him to heal.
Im not sold on Vitor at MW yet. He needs a fight before he gets a title shot. IF Anderson is really injured and out for awhile no other fight makes sense outside of Vitor vs Sonnen.
"Anderson is going to knock him out, and [Barack] Obama will still be president. Chael is going to be hating life."
-Din Thomas
Chael did his best
And holy hell did he blow everyones minds, but he did lose. It sucked, especially for someone like me who wanted Silva to lose so that hopefully we see a return to old. But Sonnen lost. It’s someone elses turn whether it be Belfort or whoever. But i really want to see Belfort fight someone else before Silva because ring rust will be a big bitch in that fight.
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
Exactly - Sonnen had his shot
Why should Silva have to beat every challenger twice for it to count?
"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop
if you need to ask why
you must not have seen the fight.
BJ/Edgar
Machida/Shogun
Shogun/Coleman
Chuck/Randy
Chuck/Tito
Why not Silva/Sonnen II?
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
BJ lost
Machida got a dicision that everyone knew he didn’t deserve
Shogun/Coleman was years later
Chuck fought like 2 guys
Randy it was a trilogy
Chuck Tito wasn’t immediate
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm just saying it would be cool to see, just like all of those fights.
and BJ won :P
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Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
I think money will be an important factor. If this PPV did good numbers, it doesn’t make sense to put Anderson on a European card in the near future. And people are going to spend too much time whining about Chael getting an immediate rematch, for whatever reason. Chael is going to be high enough in the rankings to make it silly to complain about him getting a title shot.
i think it would a different story if Jake Shields wasn’t going to 170, but with him out of the picture, I think getting upset at either Vitor or Chael getting the shot is a waste of energy, they are both pretty damn good fights.
I have about zero interest in viewing an immediate rematch.
WHY? Immediate rematch possibly for Sonnen? Is this going to start a trend, oh you lost, ok, we’ll give you a rematch, forget the rest of the people waiting to take on the champ. There was nothing controversial, nothing to talk about but the fact that it was a great fight. Sonnen lost, next in line.
proflex is right on. No controversy, and he was DEFINITIVELY finished by being subbed. He LOST.
Let Silva fight the Belfort-Silva winner
Reposting from another thread for relevance:
Its a win-win. We get to see Silva fight someone different, with an anticipated rematch if he wins. Belfort-Sonnen would be equally good given the Lindland Team Quest backstory.
Silva fight the Belfort/Silva winner?
Beflort is fighting Wand? Or is Silva fighting himself?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Who could headline with Belfort in Germany?
Leben? Okami?
drawing a blank for anyone else who could be available and have pull
Id like to see him against Leben. Vitor has always been mentally weak and Leben would REALLY test him
"Anderson is going to knock him out, and [Barack] Obama will still be president. Chael is going to be hating life."
-Din Thomas
by ProfessorBLove on Aug 8, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I can easily see Vitor vs. Leben being a Silva vs. Leben redux
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I want to see Belfort/Okami
And for a free card I’d be very happy to see that as a headliner.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
An immediate rematch would be like making the Super Bowl
a best of 3 playoff series.
I understand the reasoning behind it, from a financial point of view. IMO, from a
competative POV, it makes no sense. How many tries in a row should he get? What if he beats AS in a controversial decision? Rubber match? Sounds great for everyone except the other 15 MW’s in the division.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
What if he beats AS in a controversial decision?
Judging from most of the reactions around here, nobody would give a shit about Silva getting a rematch.
That's the problem.
Chael gave it his all, put up a good fight and lost. Just because it was ‘close’, should the UFC really put the whole division on hold for 18 months while two men keep playing king of the mountain. What are the odd of the both men coming out uninjured in a rematch?
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Vitor has never fought a middleweight fight in the UFC
one could make a better case for Yushin Okami over Vitor Belfort
Vote Quimby
the problem with that
is that the rest of the MW division has been owned by Silva. There are currently two fighters left with any case for being granted a title shot any time soon. They are Yushin Okami, who I think is still one fight away and Vitor Belfort, who’s never fought in the UFC at 185 before (correction from my earlier post).
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true.
Fuck it. Why not a rematch? I’m on a board(by default).
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana will want it after the PPV numbers come in.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Yep
Look. Its the only fuckin fight that makes any fuckin sense.- Dana
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i want to see a rematch as an anderson fan
just because if it doesn’t happen i know people won’t ever stop talking about it
same here
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Agree
I would also like to see Belfort vs Okami for the #1 contenders spot.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Gotta agree with this
Everybody felt after last night one side would finally have to shut up for good, but instead it just opened up the lines for debate even more.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
The rematch only makes sense. The heat is really high now for a sequel… They are both hurt and Silva looked like he got the shit beat out of him so neither will be ready by november.
Vitor’s gonna have ring rust so it’s better to bring him along against a guy like Okami. If Anderson wins the rematch a fight against a non-rusty Vitor would be epic.
If Belfort landed even 1/3rd of the punches Chael did Anderson would be on Life Support.
I said the writing was on the wall for Fedor after the Rogers fight… It’s there for Silva and most likely the ink was on the canvas when Maia landed that shot in the third and Anderson decided to dance around.
In my opinion GSP vs Silva is not interesting anymore unless Anderson re-establishes his dominance and unfortunately if Chael doesnt beat him it looks like it’s likely Vitor will.
Andersons body has just outgrown 185. He hasnt looked the same since he dropped back down for the cote fight.
Most of Chael's "punches" were "look at me ref, I'm staying busy, please don't stand us up"
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My girl called them tinkertoy punches I have no clue why but it made sense
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll agree with that. It seemed like people are playing up that Anderson was getting hurt on the ground, but from what I saw he would just be in a position where he was getting hit and couldn’t really do much about blocking it. Never did Anderson look like he was about to be put out, he was just in bad positions which made it hard to block from.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
I mean at one point Silva took 15 shots to the head
and didn’t move. He wasn’t being hurt.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
While I will say that what Chael did was NOT lay m pray, but I do feel that he hit Silva on the ground with many pitter-patter punches so as to give the illusion that he was being busy on the ground and not get a ref standup. The shots may or may not have really added up because for one thing, Anderson didn’t seem that tired even in the fifth round considering how much “punishment” that he took. This may also be the case where the announcers were making the damage seem much more brutal than they really were, but not being in the cage and not being hit by those punches, we will never know.
According to compustrike, Anderson ate 289 punches to the head and body.
Anderson took more punches than any fighter in recorded history… he was behind 4 rounds And he still found a way to win.
Silva has defended his UFC belt more than any other champ in history.
Ladies and Gentleman Anderson Silva is the greatest fighter in the history of this sport.
Somehow
instead of translating into completely endearing him to the rest of the fans the way a performance like this would have for a guy like Nog, instead for some it just reinforces the negative vibes they were already feeling towards him.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
Joke from this fight
Anderson: I wanted to submit him as a tribute to Little Nog. I got punched in the head and dropped in the first round as a tribute to Big Nog.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
But I think he’s past his prime as of now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They should just cut Chael
Chael put on an embarrassingly terrible performance. Give him his pink slip, but whatever you do, never let him fight Silva again or it will be another snorefest. No one, NO ONE wants to see Chael put the crowd to sleep like that again.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
wow.
unfortunately if Chael doesnt beat him it looks like it’s likely Vitor will.
All the sudden it Vitor is likely to win against Spider?…. I know Chael had a great fight, but his game is 100% different from Vitor’s.
Why all the sudden is Anderson garbage just cuz a tough-ass like Chael gave him the fight of his life?
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Proud BElitest.
He’s not garbage at all… but if Vitor landed less than 10% of the punches Chael did the fight would have been over. I just dont think 185 is for Anderson anymore. Unfortunately 205 is a murderers row but he’ll perform better because I dont think his body is optimal for 185 anymore.
How exactly would his jumps to 205 have affected his body & performances at 185?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 8, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
first off, many people don’t remember a 19 year old Belfort because of fans now weren’t following it.
One of the things I like about the UFC is they are slaves to rankings and who beat who to determine title fights. They go with who’s hot. Vitor Befort has not fought a single middleweight fight in the UFC and Chael Sonnen gave perhaps the greatest losing performance of any challenger in UFC history. Belfort would be coming off an almost 14 month lay-off. IMO, he actually hasn’t done anything in the UFC to warrant this shot now.
I say co-headline Machida-Rampage with Belfort-Okami. It would be compelling because both had to dip out of title shots because of injuries and both complement each other and would answer questions. Can Okami deal with Belfort’s power? Can Belfort deal with a big middleweight who can grapple? It would also get the winner really ready.
Vote Quimby
Sonnen vs. Belfort would be good
but I rather see Silva handle Belfort first. And have Sonnen fight someone else. Put it on the same card
The only people that REALLY want to see a rematch immediately
are Sonnen, his family, and Anderson haters/Sonnen fans.
He did his best and lost.
I pose this question: Why was this fight exciting? I mean I know why it was exciting to me, but it was the same fight as GSP/Hardy minus GSP’s submission attempts in terms of what Chael did. And people bitched about that fight.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Chael threw about a hundred more punches a round than GSP in the GSP hardy fight; and he was wrestling a guy with a good jits game, GSP wasn’t. That’s how it was different than the Hardy/GSP fight.
And plenty of people I’ve talked to want to see a rematch and I don’t even know if they are into MMA deep enough to be Silva haters and I don’t know many Sonnen fans (at least before last night). You might not want to see your boy fight the guy that beat him up for four and half rounds again and almost took his belt and I don’t blame you if you are a Silva fan; but plenty of people out there do want to see that rematch.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Most of Chael's "punches" were "look at me ref, I'm staying busy, please don't stand us up"
GSP came much closer to ending the fight that Chael. That’s all I’m saying.
And Silva owns Chael in a rematch.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This fight was like GSP/Hardy….that’s hilarious. Sonnen would get murdered in a rematch….even more hilarious.
I’d like to see him get murdered in a rematch, sure.
But no, it was not like GSP/Hardy. GSP threw about twenty punches that whole fight and dominated him, taking full mount several times, etc. Hardy has zero ground game in jits or wrestling.
With Sonnen, we have a wrestler vs. a guy with decent jits and great stand up and he lost the way wrestlers like that do and in the fight kept working ground and pound throwing several hundred punches in the fight; but not having any jits to throw a sub or other great way to finish.
Also, I don’t know if you actually watched the two fights, but silva won last night…so if it was like the Hardy/GSP fight, then Hardy would be champ right now.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Nigga what? 20 punches?
GSP landed like 200 punches in the fight. And had 6 ot 7 good sub attempts and got good position.l Yet that was boring.
Chael laid in Anderson’s guard (with Silva offering little resistance) and threw patter punches and it was exciting.
The only reason it was “exciting” was because the dominant Silva was getting beat. If that was Fitch vs Alves in that exact same fight, people would’ve been crying about boring ass fitch.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand why you have a problem with that
When the stakes are higher, or there’s more significance attached to what’s happening, that makes it more exciting. Duh.
I agree, I just want people to actually admit that
it was the “extra” stuff and not the fight itself, that made it so exciting.
Which is why people can’t shity on GSP for a “boring fight” Or everyone who pissed and moaned about “rampage vs Rashad”.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I get what you're saying
the excitement of the fight was more about the significance of what was taking place rather than what was actually taking place itself. If one was to watch the fight back it wouldn’t seem as thrilling considering the emotional energy of not knowing how it was all gonna play out is no longer present.
I wanted to find the fight as soon as possible afterwards just to see Silva getting stunned in the first and then him pulling off the sub at the end, I really didn’t want to watch the whole thing in it’s entirety again.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
THANK YOU
Someone understands.
I remember getting blasted for saying Rampage/Rashad was exciting.
People cried for weeks about that.
Yea it’s not a fight to watch all the way through again. you’ve seen one round, you’ve seen em all. 1st round FFWD 5th round
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It was exciting
Because everyone knew that at any second Chael could be knocked out or submitted (which happened) but he kept coming at Anderson like a rabbid dog without fear of getting his head knocked off. It was exciting because no one else who has fought Silva in the last few years has controlled him like that. It’s different than the GSP-Hardy fight because everyone knew Hardy couldn’t win off his back. With this fight we were all waiting to see whether Anderson would pull off the miracle come-from-behind finish that we all knew he was capable of doing.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
no, GSP hardly landed that many punches; though I was exaggerating with the 20 and he had a few sub attempts, 2 good ones that he failed b/c he was afraid to lose full guard b/c the guy he continued to dominated and take down at will might get up to his feet (going off of GSP’s words here)
Pointing out that a guy that always dominated everyone getting dominated being exciting and trying to equal that to guys that are often dominated on the ground makes no sense.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Yeah, GSP went for position the entire fight, and ended up accomplishing very little.
by Razzel on Aug 8, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sonnen was very active
I loved the double ear boxing POP
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
he nearly took hardy's arm home with him
Also from the FightMetric, he landed 10 clean shots from standing striking vs Hardy’s 1, landed 164 ground shots to Hardy’s 41.
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol
I’m not sure what to do with this if this is a rebuttal? I am already aware of how the fight ended. Doesn’t really change anything I said. Again, you confuse me.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
I just wanted to post the pic while I was wating for tinypic to upload my screencap
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
175 is pretty close to 200
he also had 6 sub attempts with 3 close to finishing. Again, much closer than Sonnen.
As for your last paragraph, you’re proving my point.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see how my last paragraph helps prove your point at all. But it’s more a matter of my perspective I guess… and that I agree with some of what you have posted through here. Which is the confusing part… some stuff I agree with, some not.
I thought Sonnen was in the 300’s just by round three? And he was also delivering more substantial shots. I remember watching GSP fight and trying not to fall asleep and wondering why he was not just beating the hell out of Hardy when he took mount several times. (Which Sonnen fought from guard the whole night) And was fighting a jits guy, GSP was not and had nothing to worry about on the ground.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
My point is that it was the circumstances of the fight, not the actual fight that was so exciting
Pointing out that a guy that always dominated everyone getting dominated being exciting and trying to equal that to guys that are often dominated on the ground makes no sense.
That’s what you said.
If you put Fitch and Alves in that exact same match and people cry about Fitch being boring.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
it was exciting because a) we watched a fighter who was unstoppable get demolished for four rounds. Not like Fedor getting caught early, but truly picked up and thrown around the ring like a TUF castoff. B) Sonnen had talked so much shit there was no way he could back it up, but he did.
It was the spectacle of a shit-talking challenger backing his words up and dismantling the best fighter in the world, only to have it cruelly snatched away. GSP dominated Hardy like he was suppose to.
Big BIG Difference
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by mason_beer on Aug 8, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah ok, that's the point I was gonna make
The “fight” wasn’t exciting, it was the circumstances and spectacle that made it exciting.
Which is why Rashad vs Rampage was exciting in the same respect. At least that fight came closer to finishes.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
It was a terrible, boring fight and Chael should be embarrassed by such a poor showing. Silva was trying to take a nap in the ring and Chael still couldn’t beat him. Everyone says Chael took the Champ down but I saw Silva ask for a pillow and blanket so he could relax. It was a horrible fight, Chael bored the crowd and bored the Champ and he should probably be cut from the UFC for that.
Good call, dude!
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
Dana wanted Belfort vs Andy because it would have been a huge fight for the Brazilian Market. Vitor is a big star there… But right now Chael/Silva 2 trumps that.
Make him fight Okami.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And White and Meltzer ASSUME that the fight will do big numbers
and if it does, they are attributing that to 100% Chael (and incorrectly so).
Sonnen is a 1-trick pony. He won’t draw with anyone else but Silva again and that’s just people who want to see if he can do it again.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
And he’s being paid more now than ever before one trick or not he’s done well for himself. For the record I am in no way a Chonnen fan.
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you had to point out that you weren’t a Sonnen fan…we picked up on that.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
by JeremyShane on Aug 8, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not a JeremyShane fan
And I agree with your post. LOL
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not a JeremyShane fan
I think some of the posters are starting a club for that.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
No. No they are not.
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a joke genius
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Get outta here! No way brah really?
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even know who you are
I just remember a post about you getting greened.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
greened or banned? lol
like I told “barack” it was just a joke; I guess it doesn’t translate online… why anyone would think I was saying people would actually start an anti-jeremyshane club I don’t know
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
It was a very “oh me” joke
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not really; it was more a joke about how sad it is that posters get so butthurt over others opinions
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
So thats why it hurts....
Better than my other conclusions
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
sorry, just don’t know if BL is going out of his way to not understand so his knocks fit better; but hearing ‘oh me’ from the one of the guys cheering and jeering as soon as I’m banned and then commenting here as soon as I talk is amusing. Sounds more like he has ‘oh you’ issues for me. Especially since if I really cared so much about pissing people off, I’d quit pissing people off.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
If it makes you feel better
I didnt even know you got banned lol
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
I’m good now. I had a good cry laying in the fetal position in the shower the night it happened.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
"Especially since if I really cared so much about pissing people off, I’d quit pissing people off."
You really seem to care a lot
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course he's getting paid
I fail to see what that has to do with my point.
I’m talking about Sonnen as a future draw.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you but financially what else can the guy hope for? One more main event with some really good paying sponsors seems like a pretty good worst case scenario.
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We're on the same page
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No
They don’t “coincide”. They “resemble”.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
if he wont draw with anyone else except silva then doesnt it make sense to have chael fight:
wait for it….
Anderson Silva!
Of course it does...where did I say he shouldn't get a rematch
In fact, I made that point to say “He should get a rematch”.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
you are confusing the hell out of me
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
My points are:
a) Chael will be credited as the sole reason the buyrate is high, when in fact there are several reasons (post-Brock bump, several good shows in a row, two number 1 contender fights)
b) Chael is a one-trick pony. He was in a perfect situation against a guy it was easy to talk a bunch of shit against. It would’ve work against Vitor or someone else, especially a White fighter which is why you didn’t see much against Nate.
c) Chael’s efforts will make some want to see it again for varying reasons
d) For money reasons, Chael should get the rematch, plus Vitor hasn’t fought at 185 in the UFC.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what the one trick pony comment is supposed to mean when he will be doing the same trick again though?
but I’m pretty much at “d” there.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
One trick in terms of his "drawing" power
His “draw” is his shit-talking ability. Put him against Vitor, what does he say? Maia? Okami?
The reason why people embraced him so much is because they hate/dislike Anderson Silva for his fight against Maia.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonnen
will never draw good numbers again and that’s if Dana isn’t full of shit about the buys this show did.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
Are you talking about his drawing power as if he wins the belt in a rematch?? And goes on to fight these guys?
I partially agree with you, I don’t think it would draw the same as he did against Silva unless the right opponent pops up from time to time for him to get the mix of shit-talk vs. can he back it up. But I do think he would be a decent draw and have the ability to grow into a bigger one. (Not like Silva is the biggest draw out there)
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
No, I mean his drawing power going forward
IF he drew here, he won’t be able to do that with anyone else.
There is no other middleweight like Anderson.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I don’t think he will draw as a non champ except against Anderson again. He could add to the draw for another main event if he was going or a #1 contender match maybe.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Nah
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
nah? not very explanatory… are you saying he would add zero interest to a card as the co-main event?
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
His draw isn't his style
His style is a more-aggressive Fitch. His draw is gonna be his mouth. Well, outside of Silva, who else is he gonna talk shit about? There’s no one else in the division that people care about. There’s no one else that people are upset about like they were with Silva. It was the perfect storm.
Sonnen vs Vitor
Sonnen vs Maia
Sonnen vs Palhares
Sonnen vs Okami
You gettin excited yet?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Tito understood the concepts of what he was trying to do but his delivery was never great.
Chael not only understands what he’s doing but has flawless delivery. He can sell a fight against any credible opponent.
Right now the most credible opponent for him would be Anderson.
by mmalogic on Aug 8, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
and it’s not like Chael even needs to rely on trashing his actual opponent. Against Marquardt and even against Silva he was able to find plenty of other targets to go hard on.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
i can't remember a thing he said against Nate
And his trash talk against Silva was racist and xenophobic. Doesn’t work if you’re from the smae country.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just thinking to myself earlier how great it would be to see Bisping get molested like Silva.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
I forgot that one
But that’s too big a step back. Bisping isn’t top 10.
But the shit talk would be EPIC.
That should headline the UK show. Fuck Bisping Akiyama.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You miss the point.
Sonnen made himself a star tonight.
If the trending buyrates are correct, who do you think brought these extra buys in? Silva certainly wasn’t expected to draw huge numbers after non-performance against Maia.
Given the opportunity to promote the fight (and after tonight he will almost cetainly be given that opportunity) Sonnen will draw against anyone. I’m not saying he’ll bring in massive numbers, but I cannot see how people that tuned in due to the Chael Sonnen hype-job, wouldn’t be interested in seeing him fight again.
They don't know the numbers
They have preorders in and they’re expecting a lot of “same day buys”. That’s how they “trand”. The major markets should be in if not today, then tomorrow and well have a bigger picture.
I’ve listed 5 reasons why this show would draw high that don’t have anything to do with Chael.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
As you've now posted earlier in the thread, you've changed your mind...
and now do give Chael credit for the trending buyrate.
No need to apologise.
The fans want the rematch…. Chael wants the Rematch…. after Anderson see’s the ppv buy rates Ed Soares will translate that he wants a rematch.
(I was confused by your post with Barak lesnars… why the fuck do you 2 have such similar handles? either one of you change it or stop co-mingling together in the same discussions- it’s like seeing double)
by mmalogic on Aug 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
is this difficult for you?
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson doesn't care about money
as much as you think.
Anderson will fight whoever he wants to.
Barack Lesnar is my son. treat him with respect.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Lolo Lesnar?
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva isn't as concerned with money as the rest of the American fighters
I know that’s a hard concept for Capitalist Americans to grasp.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that he was willing to walk away from the UFC a couple years ago
as well as other comments he’s made.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
retirement talk came up because he wanted to fight Roy Jones Jr. and guess how much they were telling him? 6 million this that, blah, blah blah.
When Zuffa put the kibosh on it he started crying about retirement. Then he came around and said he only wanted big (money) fights.
He doesnt want money… he only wants respect… yeah ok.
that’s why he was dicking around with Cote, Thales and made a fool of himself with maia… it was to get respect. It had nothing to do with securing his paychecks without taking a risk. wake up.
When the Vitor fight was originally purposed last year he had “elbow problems” then when a possible fight with I forget who it was now (Frank Mir or Randy Couture) he was ready to fight.
Yep, nothing to do with money.
by mmalogic on Aug 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
There was no fight offered with Randy or Frank
That was what came from Anderson as fights he wanted. The UFC NEVER had interest in those fights.
Him being a dick in fights doesn’t have shit to do with “fighting to not lose”.
Also, who said anything about “respect”? Not me.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
when did I say those fights were offered? I said the Vitor fight was offered and then They said he had elbow problems and he couldnt fight.
Then rumors started with a Randy fight and then all of a sudden he was ready and able to fight.
He merely stated that he would like to fight those two
He started those “rumors” by talking about people he wanted to fight. He didn’t say he was putting off elbow surgery to fight them.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was with two buddies watching this at a bar, and don’t get me wrong I like them enough as people, but they are kind of slow about certain stuff. They argued with me about Brock Lesnar having great stand up, how Anderson shouldn’t be called black he should be called Brazilian, and how fighters don’t fight for the money they do it because they just love to using Kimbo Slice as a main example.
Oh and there was also my friends ubertarded idea that Alves had actually missed weight on purpose, I was never able to get to the bottom of that gem.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
To be fair, skin color is looked at through a different lens in Brazil. Black in Brazil doesn’t mean the same thing as black in America. So your friends might have a point on that one.
Ehhhh, not to have this discussion again
But you’re not correct.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesnt have to
Its a logical assumption. Silva doesn’t try to speak english, and dicks around with opponents instead of wrecking them. Doing either of those things would get him more buys, which equals more money.
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
This too
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s still fighting though he could walk away now and leave everyone believing he’s the GOAT I’m pretty sure money affects alot of his decision making
He likes to fight
He’s not ready to walk away. He just wants challenging fights.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He likes to fights but messes around in his fights? Even before the Sonnen fight he was content to stay at the MW division
He likes to fight, but he likes to be challenged.
He fucks around in fights because he’s not challenged.
He said that now because Dana didn’t give him the GSP fight. He was being a brat. His tune will change.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If he liked to be challenged so much he would have stayed at 205 and started a run for that title or even better started cutting to 170
206 is Machida and Lil Nog's title
He’s still willing to take fights there though. Or was.
170 isnt possble but he wanted to try to fight GSP. Dana said no.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana didn’t say no he said if the fans want it he’ll make it happen honestly I don’t think either of them really want it if they did they’d be pressing it more like BJ Penn eventually had to
Dana implicitly said no GSP fight after 112
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
what?
what the fuck do you think Ed Soares means when he says:
“Anderson is only interested in big fights”. Let me translate Ed’s translation for you:
“Anderson only wants fights where he can make a big ppv bonus.”
by mmalogic on Aug 8, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big fights don't mean money fights
Big fights means interesting and challenging fights to Anderson
he wanted to fight Frank Mir. Do you think that’s a draw? Where is the money in that?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You totally missed the point
You said when he said big fights he meant “money fights”.
I showed that he wanted to fight Frank Mir, a non-draw.
if he wanted big money fights, he wouldn’t have wanted to fight Mir. He gets the same pay if he fights Mir or Palhares.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You certainly know just how Anderson thinks and works
Is that you Ed?
by dreamers_12345 on Aug 8, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Mir is a draw.
The new Frank Mir talks people into fights like few others (Sonnen being one of them).
Nah he's not.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And even if you think so (with no proof), he wasn't when Anderson brought him up.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Being too cool to block punches to your face makes you a draw??
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
What does this have to with Frank Mir's drawing power?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Because your posts are always so full of proof!
Josh Gross talks about Silva wanting to move up to fight Mir here;
That was August 2009. 1 month after Mir lost at UFC100, the biggest UFC in history. In direct contradiction to your comment that “even if he was a draw, he wasn’t when Anderson brought him up.”
If he’s EVER been a draw, it was before and after that fight.
Can you find some proof to refute that, or will you fall back on your usual prejudices?
by Boosh on Aug 8, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they also wanted to fight couture after turning down a different fight due to “elbow problems”:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/9/1022011/ed-soares-anderson-silva-didnt-get
But black lesnar believes money doesnt matter to Anderson…. he also believes in the tooth fairy.
by mmalogic on Aug 8, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
As for the article you posted
Soares said he hasn’t spoken to Silva about fighting Couture yet, and stressed that such a fight has never been discussed with the UFC.
Soares hadn’t spoken to Silva. It’s in the article you posted. So tell me how did he want to fight couture?
He would postpone elbow surgery for a big challenging fight. He ended up getting the surgery.
Of course money matters. Let me quote myself
Silva isn’t as concerned with money as the rest of the American fighters
I didn’t say he wasn’t concerned with money. I said he isn’t AS concerned as others.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Proof of?
He made a statement, he should prove it.
I rebutted and gave my reasonin
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You repeated Anderson isn't as concerned about money as American fighters
I’m saying how do you know that? Unless of course he’s made open statements suggesting that or you have a crystal ball, it’s all speculation.
by dreamers_12345 on Aug 8, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If he was as concerned as other fighters
He would do things to make himself more appealing to buyers like speak English or act better/nicer or fight better.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 9, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think Mir was the draw in that fight?
Seriously? I mean seriously?
Does anybody think Mir was the draw in that fight?
Why didn’t Mir draw on the Penn/Sanchez card? That was a sub-par BJ buyrate. Frank Mir isn’t a draw.
I asked for PROOF of Mir as a draw. You point to UFC 1000. That was Lesnar, GSP and the name UFC 100.
You THINK he was a draw “before and after” that fight. The numbers don’t support that.
As for the article you posted:
“The Spider” needs new, challenging scenarios to stay motivated
That’s the only part that came from Silva’s camp. The money shit is speculation as a motivation by Gross.
Frank Mir isn’t a draw. He’s a name. There’s a difference. Where has Mir drawn?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Mir was the sole draw, but he was a draw
Referring specifically to UFC 100. Mir Vs Lesnar 2 was the headline fight in every respect. The “good” stuff on the countdown show was all Lesnar & Mir (and in some respects Bisping Vs Hendo).
Lesnar Vs Gonzaga (for example) at UFC 100 would have done nothing like Lesnar Vs Mir 2. That was one of the most heated and most anticipated rematches in recent years. Money was made off the fact that Frank Mir was fighting.
Thus, Frank Mir drew at UFC100.
Big fights don’t [sic]mean money fights
Yeah, it does.
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Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Aug 9, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(I was confused by your post with Barak lesnars… why the fuck do you 2 have such similar handles? either one of you change it or stop co-mingling together in the same discussions- it’s like seeing double)
The similar names aren’t a bother… but the page long sig has to go… seriously.
A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.
Proud BElitest.
I think Chael could very well be a considerable draw from this point forward. The guy talked mad shit, got his name out there big time by trashing Lance Armstrong and such, and not only that but he backed up almost everything he said (minus the actual winning part). He just put it on a guy considered to be one of the p4p best, as much as I hate that term at this point, for almost five rounds. You can bet your sweet supple ass from this point on people are gonna begin to pay attention to the Sonnen Warrior (get it cause it sounds like Ronin Warrior, you can thank me later for that one).
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
by Fake Emcee on Aug 8, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He could be, but not a big draw
He could be a “decent draw up against the right opponent”.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If he talks enough smack
he’s a draw against anyone, now that he went toe to toe with Andy and almost won.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
It's possible, but not really likely
He’d have to ramp it up way more than he did against Silva to get people to care
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t hyped up for the Vitor fight anyways, so I’d rather see a Sonnen/Silva rematch. Vitor came to the UFC and won one fight at catchweight and earned a shot, probably b/c of his name (not what he has done recently) and b/c Silva cleaned out everyone else. Well… we found out last night things aren’t so cleaned out. Chael beat up Silva for over twenty minutes. I’d like to see if he can do it again and if either guy would adjust their game plan enough to either: finish the fight in Chael’s case, or end it sooner in Silva’s case. If we aren’t going to close the book on Sonnen, let’s not do it after he beat up the unbeatable guy for almost the entire fight.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
by JeremyShane on Aug 8, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It just makes the most sense. Chael outgrappled Silva, he outstruck Silva, he even dropped him standing and landed some big shots when in top position….given Silva’s run of dominance, this is an amazing feat. Lets see them rerun it.
To be fair
he stumbled Anderson, and outstruck him only really in the first round on the feet that is.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
Think about what you just said...
Has anyone EVER done to Andy what Chael did to him last night?
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Well Chonan actually won so yeah theres that
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Like 7 years ago
And Anderson had a broken ankle
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Lucky for Ryo it wasn’t a broken rib
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't follow
It was an ankle lock on his f’ed up ankle.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
I wasn’t being serious
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
oops my bad
Barack Lesnar Black Lesnar BROCKLESNAR who can keep up these days.
Creepy Obama pic BTW
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Thank you
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
who's next for anderson silva
where i stand i think you go with the rematch,because for 4 rds sonnen had his way with silva.vitor belfort should’ve to wait,he only fought once since returning.the ufc needs to go with the rematch while the match is there.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Aug 8, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
Except for a few Anderson Silva fans who can’t digest the fact that their idol just got his ass kicked and can’t bear the idea of watching it happening again, anybody who watched this fight will be in line to buy it again, and more.
by NinjaCodah on Aug 8, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
someone refresh my memory
Are Leben and Sonnen on the same team? If not maybe they should fight each other
I think that...
Leben used to be at Quest but moved to Hawaii and opened a school there. I don’t think his new gym is a Quest affiliate, but I could be wrong.
by mma_critic on Aug 8, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are people making it sound like this was just another Silva fight?
Here’s a list of people that Anderson Silva has made look like utter dog shit in the UFC:
1. Chris Leben
2. Rich Franklin
3. Travis Lutter
4. Nate Marquardt
5. Rich Franklin (again)
6. Dan Henderson
7. James Irvin
8. Patrick Cote
9. Thales Leites
10. Forrest Griffin
11. Demian Maia
Here’s the list of guys that have even come close to putting Anderson Silva in danger in the UFC:
1. Chael Sonnen
Now, let’s make a list of guys that have completely dominated the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world for 4.5 rounds in the UFC:
1. Chael Sonnen
Now, let’s make a list of all the guys other than Chael Sonnen that we realistically could have a shot at beating Anderson Silva at Middleweight:
Yup, that list is so long that you don’t even see it.
Vitor was brought in for a title shot because the UFC ran out of people to put in against Silva. Okami gets talked about only so that Silva can avenge his last loss, even though nobody really expects Okami to be competitive. Plus, he beat Silva by DQ.
I fully understand the sentiment about not wanting to see a ton of immediate rematches, but there just aren’t any fights for Silva at MW that seem competitive. Until about 12 hours ago, Chael Sonnen was in that category.
Here’s why I want to see a rematch.
(1) Silva may have legitimately had a rib injury. If so, I want to see him against Sonnen when he’s 100%.
(2) Silva has proven repeatedly that he won’t take inferior opponents seriously. I think he may have done that with Sonnen, but he sure as fuck won’t do it again. I was to see Anderson “the top P4P fighter in the world” Silva fight again, and we’ll see that guy in a Sonnen rematch. I can do without ever seeing Anderson “fuck you all, I’ll make a mockery out of this fight since you gave me a joke of an opponent” Silva again, and that’s what we’ll get against Okami and possibly Belfort.
Sonnen earned a rematch because he did more damage to Anderson Silva in one fight than all 11 of Silva’s previous UFC opponents combined (fine, 10, with Rich Franklin on there twice) combined.
Seriously, I want to see one of three things: (1) Silva-GSP superfight, (2) Silva-Sonnen rematch, or (3) Silva move to LHW. The nice thing about a Silva-Sonnen rematch is that it makes the other two fights more likely if Sonnen wins. He can drop to 170 and fight GSP for the title at WW or he can move up to 205. And if he wants, he can come back and finish off the trilogy against Sonnen.
Fuck it, I’m just glad someone brought the fight to Silva. And I hate Chael Sonnen as a person, but that’s completely irrelevant.
by mma_critic on Aug 8, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 26 recs
well said
Although I disagree with Okami being a joke opponent who will get tooled. I think he’ll hold his own but probably get exploded in a standup exchange. Then again, I thought the same thing about Sonnen, so who knows.
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not that I think Okami is a joke in general, but Silva has made a long list of legitimate opponents look like amateurs. I’ve never heard anyone say that Okami should fight Silva because he’s the guy that has the skill set to win. It’s only ever been about Silva avenging a loss and, way back in second place, Okami was on a long UFC winning streak for a while and had to have earned a shot at some point (until Franklin beat him). The third reason, way way back behind second, is that there just wasn’t anyone left to give a shot to aside from Okami.
by mma_critic on Aug 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what I've been saying
Rematch the mofo because wtf else is there? Okami and Belfort, and both of them are unexciting compared to a probably Sonnen rematch
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They need to fight for the who's next while Silva and Sonnen rematch.
Sweet, shit is sorted out for the next 6 months.
Nate the Great / Paul Harris winner vs Wand / Leben winner
Winner is on enough of a roll to earn a shot. Bisping, Akiyama, Belcher and GSP all remain in play.
Great post
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed completely
Although after last night, I’d give Okami a shot against Anderson.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
wonderful post, agree with literally every point made.
people seem to be overlooking the rib injury
by Gerrymanderer on Aug 9, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Rematch doesn't need to happen.
Anderson hit him with a nice shot from the bottom that hits him right on the chin @ 2:13 remaining in the 5th, you can see from that point Sonnen gets a little concerned about Silvas punching power from bottom.
Silva then follows up with some elbows, all the while controlling/maintaining a grip on Sonnens right wrist with his left hand. Anderson starts hitting Sonnen more, and sonnen starts to curl up. If you watch closely at this point (around 2:09 left in the fifth), Silva works his leg up, grabs control of sonnens right wrist with his right hand, and tosses the leg over.
Clearly set up submission, and it was beautiful. Someone should Judo Chop the crap out of that.
"I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, Exterminate the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, Replacing you as the dominant species on the planet" - Immortal Technique
Note:
This is so vivid to me because i came back at the end of the fourth and was in shock and awe.
As i watched the fifth and was sure Sonnen was going to win, i noticed that one punch that started his downhill crumble.
Not sure if my times are right, but go back and watch the fight (i’m going to at some point tonight)
"I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, Exterminate the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, Replacing you as the dominant species on the planet" - Immortal Technique
I might give it a Black Lesnar Pork Chop on Monday
I don’t feel like writing now
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with everything except the rematch not needing to happen.
If Silva did this in the first round like most of us expected (even those who don’t want to admit it), then I’d agree about the rematch being stupid. If he did it in the second or even third, I still agree. But Sonnen tooled him for 22 minutes before he set up an amazing, Judo Chop-worthy submission.
Also, in all honesty, my immediate thought with that submission is that Nate needs to do a Judo Chop on it. That, and Hughes’ choke. BE has clearly invaded the MMA part of my brain in a major way.
by mma_critic on Aug 8, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell me about it
I literally just got back from attempting to explain to my older brother (very new to MMA) how Matt Hughes choke out Almeida. I even did my best version of the move to him (i think the key was the spin + the shoulder/neck driving almost in the armpit).
I said “let me Judo Chop it for you” haha
"I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, Exterminate the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, Replacing you as the dominant species on the planet" - Immortal Technique
the simple truth is
it’s a fight everyone will want to see, regardless of whether you’re on here saying you think he should or shouldn’t get an immediate rematch you know if they made the fight happen you’d gladly dish out the 50 bucks for the ppv.
it’s a fight that would be easy to market which doesn’t happen often with anderson
i mean lets be honest without chael alot of us may have not even bought 117
he single handedly promoted and sold the card.
no one believed he could deliver on the level that he delivered and he did.
he put it all on the line and when it came time to rest and make it a boring fifth round he refused to coast through to a victory and because of that he lost and experienced a heart break the magnitude of which few of us know.
in my opinion the ufc the fans and anderson silve owe him a immediate rematch
the ufc and anderson for his tireless work in promoting this card
and for his tireless work within the fight we all owe him this
and whether you agree with me or not on this i dare any of you to say you’re so opposed to it that you won’t buy it. and won’t enjoy it thoroughly
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
forgive the spelling grammar and punctuation errors
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he's owed anything by anyone, he got his chance and lost fair and square.
that being said, I do think he did enough to justifiably deserve a rematch.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
It’s more about what’s owed to the fans. A rematch is the fight fans want to see.
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Immediate rematch.
Bottom line is Belfort vs Silva will absolutely draw the baseline in buys for U.S PPVs
Sonnen worked his ass off for this fight in every respect. There’s a great story to be told in Sllva vs Sonnen II.
A rematch of one of the most dramatic fights of the year, coming off such an incredible build, should be a no-brainer.
by Boosh on Aug 8, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Chael haters don't want it,
but if the PPV’s are as big as everyone thinks they are gonna be, it’ll happen.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
My take
Let Belfort and Okami fight while Chael and Anderson rematch. Belfort doesn’t deserve nor should he get a shot until he beats Okami. Do a UFC Primetime and let Chael/Silva II co main event on Brocks next title defense after Cain. You want big numbers? That will shatter the current PPV record.
Chael hardly did any damage to Anderson, and for those who think Anderson got rocked I ask you to watch this video from about 1:45 on and tell me Sonnen hit him hard enough to rock him. Silva has one of the best chins in all of MMA.
Silva might have a good chin
But if you get rocked, you get rocked. He got rocked. He was doing the Fedor/Fujita headless chicken dance after he got hit with a few clean shots from Chael.
by dreamers_12345 on Aug 8, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
there was more than one time that Sonnen clipped Silva. I should take back the comparison to the Fedor/Fujita fight but I happen to be one of the people that believe Andy got rocked instead of lost his balance.
by dreamers_12345 on Aug 8, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree to disagree then. Didn’t say he was about to be knocked out but Chael did stun him and did rock him. That’s my opinion. Everyone’s got one.
by dreamers_12345 on Aug 8, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You're wrong
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The gif proves you wrong.
This wasn’t Fedor/Fujita where he was dancing and shit.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 9, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever, even if he did he recovered so quickly that it opens up the arguement. The thing about it for me is, it seemed like afterwards Anderson actually started to intentionally drop his hands and let Sonnen hit him in Silva’s typical weirdness. Even though it looked like Anderson was doing it intentionally every time Chael landed a shot Rogan and Goldie would yell out “HE GOT ROCKED AGAIN!” even though Anderson didn’t even show signs of being hurt.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
by Fake Emcee on Aug 8, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
every one of those punches counted on the scorecards
whether he got “rocked” or not he lost the stand up fight
that was a 10-8 round easy
and there was AT LEAST one more 10-8 round
pretty impressive
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
but he really only lost the stand up in the first round. Let’s not forget he had Chael in trouble a number of times after that point.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
really
i saw chael in trouble once
and that was at the end when anderson locked on the triangle
if you can say anderson wasn’t in trouble because he still had his wits about him when he “stumbled” after getting hit then it seems to be a double standard to say that chael was in trouble when he “stumbled” after getting hit even though he had his wits about him still
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael was rocked in the 4th and 5th rounds, he admitted it afterwards
Flying elbow and knees and kicks to the ribs.
I’m talking about whatever round it was that Chael was legitimately dropped on his ass after Anderson hit him with that elbow I believe in the fourth, or did everybody forget about that in their orgy of Sonnen greatness?
Don’t go trying to twist my words around like my name starts with Black and ends with Lesnar son, I never said Anderson wasn’t necessarily in trouble just that he recovered quickly enough.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
What was the final score card?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Just did some research:
turns out, AS won by submission.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 8, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
i can accept that the elbow hurt chael but he wasn’t in any real trouble
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
chael was close
close only counts in horseshoe’s, hand grenades and first dates!
Not one time during the fight did Anderson get rocked
And he did not respect Sonnens punches
by SimplePsych on Aug 8, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
whether he got "rocked" or not
he lost the stand up fight
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Only because he let it be that way
He was not trying to win the stand up
if he wasn't trying to win the stand up
and he wasn’t trying to win the grappling
then what was he trying to win?
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If he got the submission, then he won the grappling genuius
But it was apparent to all of us watching at the Arena, including some of his training partners, that he was playing softball with Sonnen for most of the fight and not going all out until the point where he got the sub. This is supported by many facts and statements since then by Silva and Sonnen. There are many reasons he would employ such a strategy that likely have to do with challenging himself and proving something to various other persons. It has been done in the past, no reason to believe that Anderson Silva is not capable of doing it as well. But for whatever reason, that was not Anderson Silva fighting for most of that fight, us real experts(not talking about sports writers) could see that from the beginning.
that was not Anderson Silva fighting for most of that fight,
because it was Chael Sonnen’s fight.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
It is certainly easy to believe that
And you can, it is a free country
Cool
i guess we are not real experts.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
No, its quite crowded
But I am trying to have a serious discussion here, do you like the comedy routine comment section?. Its back up there a ways ^
Not trying to be comical, being serious
You’re implying that Anderson intentionally lost 4.5 rounds and chose to slap on a triangle at will in the last minute. I find that funny.
by dreamers_12345 on Aug 8, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying that Silva gameplan was to win by sub?
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
If so,
I can see your point and Silva is the kind of fighter that has that kind of mentality.
But that idea of sticking to submission to win was thrown out of the window after he was dominated by Sonnen. Being taken down repeatedly, eating elbows and punches from the ground, Silva’s mindset shifted from “challenging myself” to survival mode. You can clearly see that he was going for broke when he was throwing wild haymakers and flying kicks in the latter rounds.
The triangle sub just simply presented itself in the 5th round and he took advantage. It was a “desperation move” that worked not because he planned to sub Sonnen no matter what, but rather he had had to.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
There are many reasons he would employ such a strategy? There are more reasons he wouldn’t you’re completely speculating at this point
Of course there are more reason he wouldn't
But since your not in his mind, you don’t what motivates him do you?. And there is a difference between speculation and theorizing. Go hit Wikipedia and find out for us wont you?
That's being hypocritical though
You’re accusing him of trying to mind read Silva but you yourself are claiming you know that it was Silva’s strategy for some reason to get taken down and beaten up with an already injured rib.
by dreamers_12345 on Aug 8, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
Inflected Form(s): the·o·rized; the·o·riz·ing
Date: 1638
intransitive verb
: to form a theory : speculate
as a real expert you should know that theorizing and speculating are indeed the same thing
genius
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
here’s the definition of theorize
just in case you don’t believe me
since you’re a “real expert”
and i’m just a layman
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
oh man i didn’t realize i was talking to a “real expert”
i could see anderson wasn’t quite performing as well as expected especially on the feet
but to say it was him proving a point instead of embracing the more logical answer of his rib injury makes you seem quite ridiculous
hell even chael said he expected anderson to be tougher and that he fully believed anderson wasn’t lying about the rib injury.
but instead of going with logic and saying it was the rib injury
you’re saying anderson just let chael hit him in the face over 300 times to prove a point.
surely you as a “real expert” understands how silly this is when there is a completely logical explination for andersons lack of performance.
and i would think the respect anderson showed chael at the end of the fight laying down his belt and bowing at chaels feet should show how much respect chael earned in andersons eyes
perhaps you as a “real expert” should look more towards andersons behavior after the fight and earn some respect for chael too
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have looked at everything, and from my perspective I have a strong suspicion that this is what happened
If you don’t agree with it, that is okay Jonathan. Don’t get offended when someone doesn’t agree with you or posts something that is outside your way of thinking. In the end, we are all posting opinions mixed with some fact and coming up with theories and speculation. Although they have simliar meanings, I like the sound of theory better, ok?
you’re trying to pass your “theory” as better then everyone elses though even though common sense is veering in the opposite direction
Yeah, agree with the Majority
Where did you come up with that one, the same place you got your handle?. I happen to agree with the theory as well, and I am not the only one. Now what?
oh i agree
i never got offended
you’re the one that got snappy calling me “genius”
and implying that because my opinion differed from yours i wasn’t a real expert
i love differing opinions and i am incredibly humble about mine and you should be a lil more humble about yours as well
as far the theory vs speculation thing goes
i only brought it up because you said they were different in an attempt to make someone feel stupid
when in all reality you were the one showing your own ignorance
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
and
after the first round you can see anderson telling his corner that his rib is bothering him
so i’d take that as more of a reason for why he was fighting the way he was
since he was saying it himself to his corner at the end of the first
but you’re a real expert
so what do i know
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He knows far more than you
And he called you a genius because you stated that he lost the stand up and the grappling, you opened yourself up for that one. And so far all you want to do is argue and insult. Christ he already said that you don’t have to agree with him, what more do you want?
And he isn’t the only expert that has come up with the theory that Silva was laying back, I felt the same way watching the PPV and I wasn’t in the Arena sitting with his teammates. If you want to think it was a rib that made him lose all his speed, head movement, timing and footwork go ahead, go with the flow we would not want you to think outside the box or shatter your dream that Sonnen is the uncrowned champ here.
Really? I mean really?
I’m sure he was intentionally losing the stand up to either a) look worse than he really is or b) look like more of an ass than usual
by dreamers_12345 on Aug 8, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't lose the standup outside of that one flurry...
And after he stumbled, it seems like he took those shots on purpose with his hands down. People are acting as if every round Chael was beating him on the feet, because Anderson actually knocked Chael down, and hurt him a few times on the feet.
by Broke Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely
I would like to see a rematch. This freaking fight had me screaming “oh shit, oh shit, oh shit” for its whole duration.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
how bout...
vitor belfort vs. chris leben at ufc 122? and silva/sonnen 2… its likely belfort would win and then could get his shot at the title
One Path to an Epic Silva vs Sonnen II
I want to see Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen II. Sonnen was winning that fight on the scorecards until he got finished in the final championship round. Here’s an important question: Are ufc matchmakers willing to give every challenger who was winning on the scorecards until they got finished an instant rematch? If the ufc is willing, there are plenty of past challengers who are wondering why they haven’t been granted an instant rematch. Most recently it would be Shane Carwin wondering. If we look at this objectively, most challengers who make a mistake and allow themselves to get finished are required to climb the ladder by winning match-ups in order to earn another title shot. Am i wrong? Let me know, i could be missing something.
I would like to see anderson silva vs vitor belfort next, however, belfort has no recent wins against top ufc contenders at 185 lbs. Perhaps belfort should fight chael sonnen for a title shot.
The next question is: Who has currently earned a shot at the 185 lbs title? I believe a strong argument can be made for yushin okami. Okami is a big and tall middleweight with improved striking, excellent footwork, and good wrestling. In fact, under sonnen’s apt tutelage, okami’s recent wrestling looked better than ever against legit wrestling threat mark munoz. Okami’s new sprawl technique was simply text-book. Also, this fight will have the momentum of being a long awaited rematch.
If silva and sonnen can beat the next contenders on their schedule, a USA vs Brazil TUF 13 would be outstanding. Silva and sonnen as coaches would get ratings like crazy. The lengthy lead up should allow both fighters the time to heal and train properly. Also, the build-up to a title fight rematch would almost guarantee an all time top 5 PPV buy rate come fight night.
My only caveat is that the TUF production team get some top notch translators to work the show and edit the show well for translation. Silva’s english could use improving, however, he obviously would be better served spending his time improving his sprawl and brawl and other mma wresting skills. If subtitles aren’t desired, there are many other options. One is simply to dub the voice of a translator over the voice of the fighter who can’t speak english well. I think this would satisfy the majority of the audience and make for some must see television.
While I agree with 99% of your post
Okami didn’t have much to contend against. Munoz’ shots were telegraphed and horrid.
Munoz's Room for improvement
I agree that mark munoz’s take down shots weren’t set up the best. He’s still learning how to mix up his shots with better striking and footwork.
The main reason it was difficult for munoz to successfully set up and score a take down was because of yushin okami’s improved defensive footwork along with his improved striking. Lest we forget, the last time okami lost at 185 lbs to someone other than chael sonnen was back in june of 2007 to rich franklin.
Get this: Anderson Silva helped train munoz for okami, while sonnen helped train okami for munoz. Now that sonnen has lost his title shot wouldn’t it be interesting to see how one of his new students fairs in a title shot opposite silva?
Munoz's room for improvement
I agree that mark munoz’s take down shots weren’t set up the best. He’s still learning how to mix up his shots with better striking and footwork.
The main reason it was difficult for munoz to successfully set up and score a take down was because of yushin okami’s improved defensive footwork along with his improved striking. Lest we forget, the last time okami lost at 185 lbs to someone other than chael sonnen was back in june of 2007 to rich franklin.
Get this: Anderson Silva helped train munoz for okami, while sonnen helped train okami for munoz. Now that sonnen has lost his title shot wouldn’t it be interesting to see how one of his new students fairs in a title shot opposite silva?
If Sonnen hadn't said a word
117 wouldn’t have done half the PPV it did, imo.
Anderson versus Good Wrestler Guy? Who cares? But against Chael “I’m gonna put him on his back more times than a hooker with a mortgage” Sonnen? Big PPV $$$…
Sonnen sold that fight, and I’m not a Sonnen fan. I said he’d get crushed. But his performance, and his mouth, earns him a rematch, though I’d prefer to see Vitor first. But I wouldn’t squawk if there were a Vitor-Okami winner versus winner of Silva-Sonnen II…
The next shot will probably go to Vitor since Dana seems dead-set on a Silva-Belfort fight for whatever reason. That fight has “style-clash” written all over it. Then if that fight sucks, Silva can lose whatever goodwill he won back at 117 and we can get more sensationalist articles blaming Silva’s lack of drawing power on racist fans. Good times.
On the other hand, if Sonnen could catch Silva standing, why the hell couldn’t Vitor, who’s much quicker? I don’t know, but I think Sonnen more than earned a rematch.
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