Today on MMA Nation on 106.7 The Fan: UFC 117 Breakdown, Roger Huerta Update, UFC 118 and Strikeforce Houston Preview
by Luke Thomas on Aug 8, 2010 9:13 PM EDT
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Today on MMA Nation we'll be breaking down everything from last night's very dramatic UFC 117:
1. What's next for Anderson Silva? Take the poll below to cast your vote.
2. Is Anderson Silva getting old? Will the 20 minute beating at the hands of Sonnen affect future performances? Just how good or bad was his takedown defense.
3. Specifically, what are the reasons Sonnen was triangled?
4. Where does the main event rank in terms of all-time comebacks? Is this bigger than George Foreman defeating Michael Moorer for the heavyweight title?
5. Is there a chink in the armor of Junior dos Santos?
6. Will Jon Fitch actually get the title shot against St. Pierre? What will he do if Koscheck wins?
And, of course, we are taking YOUR CALLS throughout the entire show. So much to talk about, so get your thoughts in early and often.
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also,
you should talk about that during the show.
makes a lot more sense to me, more than anything. it wasn’t a split decision, it wasn’t controversial- Sonnen needs to get back in line, and there’s still a Top 10 Hulk Brazilian he hasn’t beat.
Respect to Sonnen though, none of you fanboys need to get pissy with me because I saw him tap.
I don't want to see an immediate rematch..
I want to see Silva vs. belfort and Sonnen vs another top contender. Silva would have to wait a while for GSP. Let’s do Maia vs. Sonnen again haha
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Aug 8, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
http://cbswjfk.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/segment-11.mp3 – open, sonnen/silva
http://cbswjfk.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/segment-21.mp3 – ufc 117
http://cbswjfk.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/segment-31.mp3 – gsp/silva
http://cbswjfk.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/segment-41.mp3 – week in mma
by 20dawk20 on Aug 9, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
thanks for making these easy to save links
I like to put these shows on my mp3 player and listen at work later and these links make it so much easier to get the show.
I appreciate this.
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- Helen Keller
no problem at all… dont even get me started on the station Luke broadcasts from and their bass ackwards way of hosting/posting podcast content. Its a nightmare, especially for those trying to listen on a mobile device.
They only have one show that is allowed to be actually “podcasted” (meaning an rss feed downloadable through itunes) and that has turned into such a nightmare fans have started their own site to post the links on their own —> http://cbsradiohateslisteners.blogspot.com/
Jon Fitch should get the title shot.
Why do people boo and hate on the way fitch fights? He dominated Alves with some very good wrestling and bjj combo.
Because
The Decision machine can’t finish :P
I respect Fitch greatly, but there’s more he could do, that he simply doesn’t because he’s too scared of taking chances. Once he opens that part of his game up, I’m sure the TKOs and Subs will come in rolling.
Casual Fans are Casual
The peasants don’t understand the sport. Don’t let it bother you.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
This might be the first show I actually call in for.
Although I’m sure you’re going to get overloaded with calls. How early can I call in?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
Probably pretty early. I expect there to be a ton of calls tonight.
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Let Sonnen fight the Belfort-Silva winner
Its a win-win. We get to see Silva fight someone different, with an anticipated rematch if he wins. Belfort-Sonnen would be equally good given the Lindland Team Quest backstory.
Anderson Silva's aura of invincibility is gone,
and that’s huge.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
I don't see it as that at all.
I think his “aura of invincibility” went up a bit.
What happens when you stifle his muay thai and stand up? 4 rounds later, he’s gonna tape you the fuck out, lol
Dude can’t be beaten. At least until there’s a wrestler that can finish fights.
He can totaly be beaten.
Chael just layed out the blueprint.
I realize your prolly a huge Anderson fan, but I really think GSP takes Andy out.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
"Dude can't be beaten"
That right there is all you had to say. Thanks for identifying yourself as a fanboi no-nothing. Dude has been beaten. 4 times. One time by an embarrassing submission. You should see it. It’s hilarious! It’s called a flying scissor heel hook. Here, check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267i7rKeECA
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
by IKilled007 on Aug 8, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not really emberassing
or all that hilarious, that was an amazing once in a lifetime move. There should be no shame in losing like that.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
This is what leads to my question
did this epic win last night do more to further the legacy of Silva or hurt his overall image? I’ve heard people say that this cements him as being one of the greatest, while others would just rather consider this as being as bad as a loss. Seems like when a guy like Nog pulls this off it endears him more to the fans, but is our overall perception of Anderson’s abilities so incredibly high that to see him put in a fight like this going to just do more for people actually losing faith in him?
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
faith?
faith proves nothing…W in the records mean everything..let ppl lose faith but as long as he keeps winning the record will prove AS is the best
Belfort should be last on this list
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
He can totally be beaten.
..Well, no shit? Anyone can be beaten, but nobody HAS beaten Silva.
As long as you try and “grind out” a BJJ specialist- you haven’t done shit.
There are no blueprints. GSP takes Andy out? That’s funny, because Georgey is in the same boat as Fitchy and Chael-e(lol). None of them can finish a fucking fight.
And no, I’m not a huge Anderson fan. I respect what he brings to the table, which NOBODY ELSE brings to the table.
Dude can get bombed on after 4 1/2 rounds, and pull out the win. Respect it, because if that doesn’t say invincibility, I dunno what does- and likely you’ll never know what does, because as of right now- we haven’t seen anybody prove they can beat him.
If anything, this blueprint you speak of is a theory. And theories ain’t fact, buddy.
Besides Azeredo, Takase, Chonnan, and Okami (sort of)
Maybe next time Champ
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
by II SMASH II on Aug 8, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
You’re gonna bring up his mere 4 losses, even though he is now a different beast? And Okami? Even a “sort of” doesn’t give you a cclaim that Okami can beat Silva.
Ok, then..(and lets go backwards, to make it really interesting)
Chael Sonnen, Maia, Griffin, Leites, Cote, Irvin, Hendo, Rich 2x, Marquardt, Lutter, Zombie Leben.
Maybe next time? No, probably not.
And in regards to Tomasi- I find it funny that all the Sonnen fanboys want to see him get a ridiculous rematch, even though he lost- like he always does. Tappin’, denying, and then coming to terms with the fact that he tapped out in front of a lot of people that also saw him tap out.
Business- ok, that’s an argument. But in the realm of rational thinking- there is no ther good reason for Chael to get a rematch right away. Get back in line and prove yourself against the Top 10 you’re always blabbering about.
Buddy
You’re engaging in hero worship. Silva got destroyed and pulled out the sub. Good for him. But he’s exposed now as beatable. No, it’s more than that. Chael proved Silva can be totally and completely dominated. Destroyed. Let him go up to 205 and fight Jon Jones and you’ll see what happens to your hero.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
LOL, This nerds raging hard.
Hero worship? WTF is that?
If Silva has been exposed as beatable after last night- why wasn’t he beaten?
You, sir are an idiot.
Goldberg on Leben: One thing's for sure--he really did break that door on the Ultimate Fighter.
Rogan: uh...yeah.
by frosnt1 on Aug 8, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You didn't watch the fight did you?
Admit it — you just read about it.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
Are you sure you watched it?
I just watched it for the second time 20min ago.
I saw Anderson Silva tap Chael Sonnen out.
And then there are morons like you online, saying that somehow Chael ebat Silva.. lol It’s mind boggling.
You really should leave the fanboy shit at the door. Does Chael pay you to ride his dick on the interwebs?
C'mon dude
you’re going way out of line here.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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You calling people raging nerds and morons and shit. We don’t need all that.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
It doesn't bother me
It’s an emotional issue for him. He say his hero get his ass dominated and destroyed for 4 and 1/2 rounds before pulling out a great sub finish. It was probably overwhelming for him, so he’s venting here. It’s all good.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
I'm not even a Chael fan!
You’re the Anderson nuthugger. I simply said Chael demonstrated how to beat your hero. I can see this is an emotional issue for you, man. Why not just take a break and go get a drink and come back when you can discuss it rationally? LOL
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
Why
do you keep saying hero? lol When have I said he’s my hero? I rooted for him the fight, because I knew he could beat Chael
@AniMal34
Then tell him to quit being a raging nerd, lol
I understand you two are on the same side- but really. If you’re gonna try and play peace keep-er try not to defend the morons raging over someone not winning the way they expected them to- or not at all, lol
I say hero
Because you keep saying things like “He can’t be beaten.” The first thing any real MMA fan learns is that no one is invincible. But it’s more than that. You’re saying it about a guy who has 4 losses. So it’s even sillier.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
Again, you moron
I never said he couldn’t be beaten. He hasn’t been beaten yet, and as of last night- there’s no one right now that can.
But what’s even worse, is that you’re rplying to a message of mine, where I clearly said “..Well, no shit? Anyone can be beaten, but nobody HAS beaten Silva.”
You’re just a run of the mill raging nerd on the internet. A troll, if you will.
You’re saying I’ve said things, which I haven’t- just to argue. You should just get a life.
Ha, I thank you for the laughs
It was nice knowing you
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
I just showed you twice where you did say that.
I don’t see it as that at all.
I think his "aura of invincibility" went up a bit.
What happens when you stifle his muay thai and stand up? 4 rounds later, he’s gonna tape you the fuck out, lol
Dude can’t be beaten. At least until there’s a wrestler that can finish fights.
by 1251 on Aug 9, 2010 12:23 AM CEST up reply actions
LOL!!!
Ohhhh, this is too funny. Why you mad!?
If he can be beaten- WHY wasn’t he beaten?
I’m not some average Joe that watches RAW on monday nights, gets online and reads about an MMA fight in the tabloids like you. I follow this sport, I understand whats going on. You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on reality.
I know who Jon Jones is, I know he hasn’t had a true test yet. I respect the kid greatly, I know what he can do. But he has no BJJ- Vera was dominated by him nonetheless, so it’d actually be a really entertaining battle. Jones is a huge dude though, he’ll eventually go up to HW. I’d personally like to see him cut weight and fight at catch weight against Silva. Which is what it’d be anyways.
by 1251 on Aug 9, 2010 2:23 AM CEST reply actions
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
AGAIN-
I’m not sure you can read. English isn’t your strong suit, no? You aren’t American, correct?
Because you’re just butchering everything I say to make it sound like something you came up with, lol
You keep emboldening fragments of what I said, all while not emboldening where I elaborate on those sentence fragments.
What about this one? Since before anyone gave you a keyboard to pound on with your pudgey fingers..
..Well, no shit? Anyone can be beaten, but nobody HAS beaten Silva.
But yeah, you’ll just ignore that one.
You boys set yourself up to get pawned here by 1251
By 1st saying that he is his hero, when he wrote nothing to suggest that. Then writing Sonnen showed Anderson was beatable while he lost in spectacular fashion. Kimo also showed that Royce Gracie was beatable , but he still lost and look where that distinction got him?. And then 3rd by keying in on an obvious technical term. It was clear to me that he meant he “can’t be beaten” now, not that he had “never been beat”. Those are 2 very different terms, they don’t teach this type of comprehension at the indian reservation junior college?. 3 strikes boys, take a breather and try again.
And Silva was destroying Chonan before he pulled out an even MORE miracle sub.
So that point is moot.
I’ve still yet to see the whole fight, but I’ve heard that it was actually pretty close.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
Close to what?
I almost stopped watching. I walked away from my tv when Anderson fought Maia. It was sickening knowing I just wasted money. I almost walked away again because Anderson was not even putting up a fight. He looked like shit and I’m happy he won but still can’t believe what he did up to that point.
Say what now? I’m talking about the Silva/Chonan fight being closer then what some people say it was.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
Haha, Jon Jones fanboy calling out Silva fanboy. Priceless :)
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by dancingChicken on Aug 9, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Your idea of invicibility is a little different than most. Getting bombed on for 4 1/2 is more of an indication of vulnerability rather than invincability. The idea that AS showed that Chael can’t beat him is ridiculous. When this fight happens again I would be shocked if Chael was any more of an underdog than +180.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Aug 8, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha
A lot of Silva fans absolutely do not want to see a rematch with Chael because he’s the guy who take down the champ, if the champ can be taken down (and I’m not convinced he can).
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
It's a weird thing.
Everyone is so concerned with the how. Silva rib injury and things didn’t go exactly his way a few times in the fight. He wasn’t so horrible off his back that he was ever in danger. Sonnen must not be throwing with a bunch of power if Silva was willingly eating shot after shot without even blinking.
Going in we all said that there was no way Sonnen would win and he didn’t. That’s all there is to it. Next up is either Vitor or Okami. Probably Belfort.
The reason a rematch wouldn’t make the money that so many think it would is because Chael’s shit talking act is stale now. He went in and lost. No one wants to listen to another 4 months of the exact same shit talk which he was starting to really go over the top with to the point of calling Lance Armstrong out and shit. Then he was getting called out by radio hosts like Jim Rome.
No one wants to hear more of it. By fight time everyone would be sick of it and no one would care.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
I want to hear more of it.
stop speaking for me dude.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
So
who cares that he lost the same way he always does and gave us no indication that he wouldn’t again because you just want to hear him run his mouth again? That’s a really shitty way to see things.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
Wow
you just can’t give it up for a great fight.
You’re letting your hate cloud your judgment. It would be epic.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
I'm not saying it wasn't a great fight.
When did you hear me say that? I thought it was amazing. I was standing the whole time not believing my eyes. And then Chael did what he always does and got submitted before he could close the job.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
458 other people want to see a rematch
you might not, but plenty do.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
The Rematch would be great and make a ton
Because Chael kicked his ass for 4.5+ rounds out 5 and almost won by a huge margin until he got caught. Next time, the Champion might not catch him and Chael might go on to win 50-43 in another asskicking. Look, Anderson got mauled in that fight. He got owned for 4+ rounds. Chael ran all over him. It was a one-sided massacre. Your attempt to cast all that aside with a nonchalant wave of your arm is ridiculous. Silva can be beaten. Not just beaten, he can be demolished. And Chael can do it. I don’t blame you for not wanting to see that happen.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
LOL!!!
Ohhhh, this is too funny. Why you mad!?
If he can be beaten- WHY wasn’t he beaten?
I’m not some average Joe that watches RAW on monday nights, gets online and reads about an MMA fight in the tabloids like you. I follow this sport, I understand whats going on. You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on reality.
I know who Jon Jones is, I know he hasn’t had a true test yet. I respect the kid greatly, I know what he can do. But he has no BJJ- Vera was dominated by him nonetheless, so it’d actually be a really entertaining battle. Jones is a huge dude though, he’ll eventually go up to HW. I’d personally like to see him cut weight and fight at catch weight against Silva. Which is what it’d be anyways.
Man, relax!
No one is trying to run off with your autographed Anderson Silva life-sized cardboard cutout. Just chill. Silva is still the man. He’s still the best. He’s still the champion. He just is not invincible. Chael demonstrated there’s a way to beat him but that Chael himself might not be the guy to do it. But someone else will, more likely than not. Nothing lasts forever, man. Even Alexander Karelin lost eventually.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
Again,
I’ve never said I’m a huge Silva fan, and that everyone will beat him.
But Chael did absolutely nothing to convince rationally thinking people that Ground and Pound will finish Silva.
Again, he had 3 subs locked in before Round 5, and let go of 2. It wasn’t this massive beat down you WWE fans are trying to make it out to be. He out-scored him, big whoop, lol He still tapped.
If Chael Sonnen can’t do it- I’m doubtful anyone on the scene can right now. Hendo was leaps ahead of Chael’s wrestling background, and he tapped too.
So calm down,a nd just enjoy the fights instead of demanding that some conspiracy took your man’s victory.
Conspiracy?
What on earth are you talking about? You’re talking randomly like a goose shits in the moonlight. Go have a beer and chill.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
I don't drink, Einstein.
I’m just responding to your idiotic comments about me.
I suggest taking your own advice.
Calm down, dude.
Don’t be so emotional. You’re name-calling and freaking out. Just relax. Go take a hot bath or something if you don’t drink. Listen to some mellow music.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
you can’t be rational with him. He is just another poster that thinks if you don’t agree with him you are a ______ (insert insult here, example: noob, WWE fan, etc) and it cannot possibly be b/c opinions differ but ONLY because anyone not agreeing with him is stupid b/c if they were smart, they would agree with him.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Who is this guy
is he new? Seems like one of those random guys that just pop up and get banned like in the same thread.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
lol thats exactly what he is
Its funny to me, you pick these people apart and you watch as thier “points” turn into stupid insults and pissing matches.
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
damn u >:(
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
or wait? are you talking about the other guy?
I thought you were making a joke about my banning
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
I honestly have no idea what even happened there, you insult a member of the staff’s wife or something?
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
no, just a misunderstanding about something I said vs. what I meant in the middle of arguing; all cool now I think
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Aw, so you pulled a Chael Sonnen
You said something, and then tried to act like you didn’t mean what you really said afterwards. Good job on pulling one over on the staff, the fools…
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
Ha nah mna not you, 1251 the poor bastard
He shall be missed, i mean he sticks in my head as one of the worst trolls up there with sandstorm remix and such
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
And looky here,
I’m still here.
Maybe it’s because I was discussing things rationally with members of the interwebs who hate Anderson Silva to the point of starting flame wars with anyone who roots for him.
Yep, that basically sums it up.
I’m no troll, you’re just not used to fans of Anderson Silva sticking up for themselves and destroying you in any argument you decide to ignorantly come up with.
Just grow up, and realize people have different opinions.
But a fight isn’t about an opinion, what happened- happened. You can’t argue you that, no matter how much you hate Anderson Silva. What he did far surpassed Sonnen’s epic ground and pound.
I’d really like for someone to explain to me what the hell Vitor Belfort has done to deserve a title shot since his return.
How about he get at least one win at 185 first?
As best I can tell, this whole Beflort movement stems from him being a big free agent signing (whoopty-doo) and beating Rich Franklin (outside of the division). That’s simply not enough.
If anyone not named Sonnen is going to fight Anderson next, it should be Okami.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Heres your answer
Nothing.
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
by II SMASH II on Aug 8, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Belfort is molesting Lorenzo and Dana to get a fight with Silva. The’ll probably give it to him, because he’s so annoying.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 9, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Somebody bet alot of money on Chael last night and as soon as Anderson sunk in the triangle this guy went ape shit and threw a pen in the cage.
after seeing a cheal sonnen dominate AS
i now am not against gsp vs AS
Luke, I’d love to hear you talk about this quick tap stuff with Sonnen. It looked to me like Sonnen was complaining about Silva cranking on his arm after Rosenthal stepped in to stop the fight, and not disputing whether or not he had tapped.
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For some reason
nobody thought to ask what that whole thing was about at the end of the fight.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
at least Ariel doesn’t usually miss stuff like that; even he didn’t ask
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Wrong person to ask though. Sonnen or Rosenthal are the only people to ask. Get it straight from the horses mouth. From the way Dana answered, I don’t think he really knew the answer either.
I can’t believe that over 24 hours after the event, we haven’t gotten an offical statement from Sonnen or Rosenthal on the matter. That’s just sad.
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It wasnt sonnens fault as much as it was Josh Rosenthals fault… he wasnt decisive with the call and he looked like he was actually considering restarting the fucking fight!!!!
The whole thing kind of ruined the epicness of the moment.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
by Fake Emcee on Aug 8, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was split at the bar I was at too, though many seemed to know enough MMA to know who they were rooting for.
Two of the guys with my party were going for Silva jumped up and literally hugged and danced in each other embrace when Silva got the tap.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Sonnen needs to spend some time with his fellow redneck rightwinger country boy: Lesnar and learn to apply his wrestling against BJJ if he isn’t going to flat out learn BJJ.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
Sonnen needs to spend a lot of time with a BJJ coach, and furthermore he needs to learn how to advance position and work for a finish. Letting Anderson Silva hang around in the cage is a recipe for disaster.
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yea, that would be best. learn BJJ as much as possible. Just saying Lesnar seemed to have learned how to apply his wrestling in ways to not leave himself open to BJJ too much after his Mir loss; so he might be able to teach him some stuff to learn quicker than learning BJJ.
Plus, they could hang out and go hunting and to political rallies together and stuff.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
why cant i hear the callers?
i dont like the fact i cant hear the callers!! awwwwwww
why isnt anyone talking about the front flip escape used to escape when anderson caught chaels leg kick???
Have you ever seen a white man do that shit? That should be an epic gif.
lol
man me and my brother flipped out when he did that
That was JCVD-esque from Bloodsport.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael talked about his mental problems and how they relate to his submission losses before this fight.
http://www.mmascraps.com/2010/08/chael-sonnen-cain-velasquez-is-best.html
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didn’t they do a rematch for Mir/Lesnar? I swear there was a 2nd fight…
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
I knew someone would say that.
I wouldn’t care if he fought Vitor first, but the thing that makes me want the rematch now is Silva complaining about fighting hurt. I would like to see if the only reason Chael did so well was b/c of the rib issue before he moves on to other people.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
doesnt matter if AS got whooped for 23 min
iM NOT taking anything away from chael..he backed all the shit he was talking up..that said this is mma..u beat up sum1 for 23 min but get cought u lose. AS should fight Vitor and Chael fight the winner of that fight.
i will compare this to my feelings on Lesnar/Carwin… I’m a huge Lesnar fan and loved the fact he won. But as a Lesnar fan, I would love to see a rematch with Carwin, even if not immediate just for a more decisive win againt Carwin. Same thing I’d like to see with SIlva and Sonnen. I don’t care that much if Vitor is next; but want him to face Sonnen again soon for the same reason I’d like to see Brock face Carwin again.
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I also think the talk of “decisive” victory isn’t coming across right. I don’t think people mean decisive, like a bad decision… like “who won this fight?”. But more like, who is the better fighter long term. Obviously that is why we have matches so that still comes down to “who won the fight”. But who cannot see the difference between BJ’s victory on Sanchez, or SIlva’s on Griffin (etc) vs. something like Silva/Sonnen from last night or Lesnar Carwin or Lesnar Mir.
One might still be definitive; but still leaves questions in the air.
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That wasn’t Chael screaming “Tap! Tap! Tap!”, that was just some hispanic guy. Damn you media types, check your facts!
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 8, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
WHO’S THE FUCKING NIHILIST HERE! WHAT ARE YOU, A BUNCH OF FUCKING CRYBABIES?
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Not really
I just don’t get off on goofball antics. If someone wants to make the case that his tactics, such that they exist, serve larger interests, ok, fine. But it’s not something I would personally consider entertainment.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 8, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Keep saying that.
I said it on here and got killed. I don’t want more of him just being an idiot and calling out random stars. His shit talk was reaching towards the end there.
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I’m kinda like James on that one. I liked some of his standup sounding stuff; but some of the racist crap and cancer stuff was a bit too much.
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Not a bit too much.
It was way too much. It was stupid. It made no sense. When you acted how he did on the Jim Rome show I knew I was done with him. I was sick of it already but that just sealed the deal.
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Taking anything Chael says seriously is just silly. Just sit back and laugh.
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I know it's not real
It’s also not entertaining. Absurdity isn’t always funny just because it’s absurd. Sometimes it’s tedious and lame.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 8, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah,
that’s a great attitude to have. Just let him say whatever he wants and make it okay by saying that he’s just being Chael and just laugh it off. Sorry but I think that is just ridiculous.
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What do you want to do? Cut the man from the UFC? He’s going to say whatever he wants. The fact that Sonnen has gotten under your skin just proves that what he’s doing is working.
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No, I just want to ignore him.
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Exactly.
I just don’t want to hear someone make ridiculous statements.
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In your opinion did he just go to far?
Or was it to much? (as far as quantity goes)
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Exactly.
The anger elicited by Chael’s stream of absurdities is just a reaction to being trolled, in my mind.
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by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
See I thought it was funny at first
and everyone was looking forward to the shit talking at first, but for me it was like he became Miguel Torres and was trying way to hard to say something that was bad ass. I’ll admit I didnt find any of it racist, and don’t have the slightest idea what xenophobic means either.
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True. Most of it seemed to be rehearsed and forced.
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by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't think Lukes angry about it
More just found it annoying/overkill. But I can’t speak for the man
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The point was, Sonnen was complaining about Silva holding on to the arm………not saying he didn’t tap.
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If Sonnen wanted to make a case for not tapping, you’d hear about it. You saw the first Filho fight, right?
If you watch fight, Sonnen is complaining to Rosenthal as Silva is cranking on his arm. Then the cameras immediatley cut away. Then they never showed it in any of the replays, instead focusing soley on the tap. That’s why most people haven’t picked up on it. You have to watch the actual submission sequence in real time to see it.
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He might have just tried to con the ref at first but then gave up with the replay and all. I’m not saying I know for sure what happened but I’m just saying, neither do you. And I watched it in real time, it’s not like we watched it like Momento with the ending first and the rest shown in reverse.
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Isn’t Sonnen a bit bigger than GSP? And technically a better wrestler?
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GSP’s MMA wrestling is far, far better than Sonnen’s. Sonnen obviously has great international creds, which GSP doesn’t have, but if you watch what the two men are able to do in the octogon there is a marked difference.
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Well, GSP def has better BJJ abilities.
But still, I thought GSP was a bit smaller than Chael. And both Silva and Chael were pretty big for 185
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Size doesn’t make much difference when one guy has basically zero defensive wrestling, and the other has the best power double and knee tap in MMA.
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I don’t know, I think it can takedown wise. But I do have to admit my interest about that match up is higher after last nights fight.
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Silva has been put on his back by Lutter, Marquardt, Franklin, Henderson, Leites, and now Sonnen in the UFC. GSP should have absolutley no issues putting Silva on his back and keeping him there.
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then again, looking at his fight against Hardy, it doesn’t give me confidence in GSP either. At least he wouldn’t do something stupid like leave himself open like Chael did though.
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GSP doesn’t get super agressive against guys he doesn’t feel threatened by. Look at what he did to Penn, Serra and Fitch. He thought those guys posed a threat to him, so he beat them half to death. He didn’t really feel threatened by Hardy, so he took the night off.
Trust me, GSP would feel threatened by Anderson, and would be going after him full force to get him out of there ASAP.
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jon fitch is 1 of my favorite fighters
and gsp beat him up….i mean it was brutal
The GSP fight seems like he wasnt interested in beating up Hardy
Like I sometimes do on Undisputed, I say before the fight even starts to myself ok I want to knock this guy out, or ok I want to sub this guy. I think GSP went in there with the mindsight of “I’m going to sub this guy” and it just didnt happen.
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GSP came in there saying “I’m going to work for the submission tonight” and when it didn’t come he was like, “Oh well”. He didn’t even think to work for ground and pound. It was submission or nothing.
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yea, I kinda felt like that too, maybe it was just b/c of how Hardy was no threat on the ground at all and not b/c of an overall change in GSP’s mindset of fighting overly safe. I probably read to much into it.
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I think GSP really had his heart set on submitting Hardy. Hardy ended up having better defense than GSP thought, and he couldn’t really get his mind around using a different game plan. It was definetly a good learning experience for GSP, because he learned that if Plan A doesn’t work, he needs to be able to transition to Plan B. Greg Jackson was telling him to stay in guard and pound him out, yet GSP kept passing and looking for submissions that just weren’t there. He couldn’t change his game plan.
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Sonnen is more powerful but GSP is faster.
Could GSP manhandle nate marquart or okami like sonnen did? no.
Even though GSP dominates every opponent on the score cards and bless his heart he actually does try to finish fights in a reasonable fashion… but the fact is he couldnt finish Dan Hardy. He couldnt finish Alves, Fitch or Koschek.
what on earth would he do to Anderson? or any other top MW for that matter?
There’s a video of GSP and Nate training wrestling at some university and GSP pretty much manhandled Nate.
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YES! MEGA FIGHT
Look I have been opposed to AS vs GSP for a long time, BUT after seeing the Chael show last night i honestly think gsp could win that fight. Even tho Chael is a bigger guy than gsp, i still think gsp could wrestle the desicion
Luke.
Please make the case for Vitor Belfort. I really want to hear this, ‘cause I don’t think it’s possible.
Here’s what I wrote above:
I’d really like for someone to explain to me what the hell Vitor Belfort has done to deserve a title shot since his return.
How about he get at least one win at 185 first?
As best I can tell, this whole Beflort movement stems from him being a big free agent signing (whoopty-doo) and beating Rich Franklin (outside of the division). That’s simply not enough.
If anyone not named Sonnen is going to fight Anderson next, it should be Okami.
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I really, really like the idea of Chael/Silva on TUF, then Vitor vs. Leben for #1 contender. You don’t overly screw Vitor, because the fight should be in his favor, and will be FUCKING AMAZING, and Silva gets time to recover. Thats just me though.
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I like what your selling. But it would be Chael/Soares on TUF.
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What if his rib thing was not an excuse and was an actual issue? What if his rematch against Sonnen goes completely different or he fights GSP at 100% and schools him? That’s the other reason I’d like to see a rematch with Sonnen before he moves on to other fights.
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Why couldn’t they mandate that Champion vs Champion superfights have to be 5 rounds even if they’re not for the title?
Good point Luke
I never even thought about how gsp’s ground n pound..chael was busy the whole time with elbows and big punches, were gsp has a great ground game but is busy in diffrent areas. I think if gsp was to fight AS he would have to learn from chael and he has to brutalize AS. Just passing Silva’s guard will not do the job.
GSP takedowns vs Sonnen takedowns
Good points about Sonnen walking through Silva’s premise. GSP takedowns are based on timing. Doesn’t that play into Silva’s game more?
yea, I was impressed with JDS’s chin… he took that one big shot that usually drops dudes and didn’t even look phased
though after last night I don’t think JDS can beat Lesnar
I thought he might have that punchers chance thing, but now, not so sure (anymore than the standard “anything can happen in mma” part)
I just think hes not big enough, and isn't a wrestler
Especially now that we saw Brock take that beating from Carwin
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Yeah that’s the big question mark…can JDS stay on his feet?
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JDS showed good TDD against Nelson, but I just don’t know if he stops the takedown of Lesnar or Velasquez.
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Nelson is not a TD specialist though. He is no wrestler. I don’t think seeing JDS stop Roy’s TD’s tells us anything about his defense against a guy like Lesnar.
if jds fight cain or brock
jds will lose. he stand up (boxing) is great, but brock will take jds down and finish him…and cain has a over all better standup..cain could even take jds down
The sportbar we watched it at last night had an issue with the sound coming across five seconds before the picture. So it was weird hearing the horn at the end of rounds and seeing fighters keep fighting. But everytime something big happened, you could hear the live crowd go crazy, so we knew something big was going to happen. Damn it was noisy when Silva pulled that off.
Big country took the arlovski fight on short notice… it was more like he didnt have any energy to protect himself anymore than Arlovski’s punches putting him away.
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UFC will never do that as it would provide a leverage point for fighters in contract negotiations.
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So easy a caveman could do it.
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by MrTechnique420 on Aug 8, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Would love to hear about the Matt Hughes fight, and how insane it was that everyone and their brother thought Ricardo Almedia was a lock to win that fight.
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& where does he go from here?
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by MrTechnique420 on Aug 8, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
- Matt Hughes
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by MrTechnique420 on Aug 8, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If someone even hints at a title shot
Ill cut them so bad, they gon wish I hadnt cut them so bad.
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by II SMASH II on Aug 8, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How effing crazy was Steven freakin Seagal walking towards the cage with AS? Seriously did I dream that?
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that was corny stuff
That tells me AS didnt take the fight seriously…training with steven segal really? pointless
Seagal is a legit martial arts blackbelt (in is it Akido?), but was a bit weird and don’t know how well that MA translates to mma
thats my point
i dont think you can use akido in mma…its mostly small joints manipulation. pointless
yea
maybe that’s what was wrong with Silva’s game plan? lol
That’s probably how a fight with Seagal would go in the real world, once you grabbed him and pulled him down, he’s done.
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I fucking hate when title shots are promised before the fight
In my opinion it leads to boring fights where people play it safe. Would Evans gone after Jackson any different idk. Would Koscheck have traded with Daley some? Idk. But I hate it with a passion.
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I think the title shot should always go to the #2 ranked fighter. But, we don’t have official rankings. So, we’re left with a very nebulous set of criteria by which a fighter may or may not be chosen for a title shot.
Give us official rankings and that is solved.
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by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Rankings suck
and we will never get official rankings, might as well give up on that pipe dream.
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Official rankings don’t suck one bit. They would solve most of the problems fans and media seem to have with determining who deserves what.
Now you may be right that we may never get them, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t.
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by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Rankings suck big time
They arent accurate and hardly prove a thing.
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UFC rankings would prove a lot. All that matters is where they, internally, rank the fighters. Instead, we’re left wondering if things like how many PPVs a fighter can sell has a legitimate role in whether or not they are given a title shot. In which case, the sports entertainment aspect looms large over everything that doesn’t take place in the cage.
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by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
They need the ability to sell PPVs its massively important
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To UFC's bottom line, sure.
But it hurts the legitimacy of the sport.
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by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Fitch fights like Jon Fitch. He totally shut down a Top 3 welterweight. He’s the best welterweight not named GSP. Is he super exciting? No, and he never will be. But I like to watch great fighters fight, and I will always tune in to watch the man fight because of that.
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The funny thing with Fitch is that he does the same thing to every opponent, wether is top 3, late replacement, up and commer.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 9, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i think
i’m the only person not counting kos out against gsp
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
hell yeah
well there’s at least two of us then
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke
Do you think 185 would be a suitable weight class for Alves?
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I dont think so… his dimensions dont work. His arms are too short.
He needs to make a decision to either be a professional fighter competing at an optimal level or to eat cookies.
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thats why I like Shogun.
I kid.
sill don’t like eddy though
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by MrTechnique420 on Aug 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i herd Brandon Vera put on some muscle mass
is this true? is he thinking about HW now?
lol
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by Brian Mayes on Aug 8, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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