Opinion: Did Chael Sonnen Quit, Cheat, or Choke Against Anderson Silva? It Don't Matter, He's Still the Hero of UFC 117
by Nate Wilcox on Aug 8, 2010 9:15 AM EDT
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Note this is my personal opinion and does not reflect that of the Bloody Elbow staff or SBNation.com. In fact I didn't even write it.
Normally I would be wringing my hands and decrying the fact that Chael Sonnen apparently quick tapped and attempted to break the hold and deny that he tapped against Anderson Silva at UFC 117. I would be saying it's a shame that something that unsportsmanlike should mar the conclusion of such a great night of fights.
Not this time, not with these two fighters. First off, Anderson Silva knows of Team Quest's reputation for quick tapping and claiming not to. Instead of relaxing when Sonnen tapped, Silva attacked, grabbing more of Sonnen's limbs and torqueing his holds.
Ariel Helwani is saying that since Chael hasn't complained about the tap post-fight, it wasn't a deliberate quick-tap. Helwani is missing the point of the quick tap attempt -- it's about getting the other guy to let go, hoping the ref missed the tap and going on with the fight. Matt Lindland successfully did it to Murilo Bustamante at UFC 37 and thanks to Big John McCarthy's worst ever call, the fight was restarted standing when Bustamante had just forced a tap via armbar. Fortunately for history and fate, Bustamante went on to submit Lindland later in the fight.
With a fight as great as UFC 117, Sonnen's crass awfulness just adds to the drama. Chael established before the fight that he'd say anything and lie about it later. His teammates at Team Quest, particularly coach Matt Lindland established during their Olympic careers -- Matt Lindland had to file a law suit to get through the Olympic trial process where he went on to win his silver metal -- that they'd do what it takes to win.
Lindland is the guy who made a documentary claiming the UFC was afraid to let him compete with their champs because of "politics". But Lindland is also the guy wrote one of the best MMA technical manuals ever written. It's called "Dirty Boxing" but really ought to be called "How to Beat Anderson Silva or Anyone Like Him". The world will have to wait for "How to Cheat Like Team Quest" but I'm sure that will be well worth the wait as well.
It's no coincidence that both Sonnen and Lindland are politicians from the country that is known for its do anything, say anything approach to campaigns and governing.
But Sonnen's performance was so legendary in nearly upsetting Anderson Silva, beating him not just on the ground, but on the feet until the final, fatal minutes. He outstruck Silva standing. He took him down at will. He reversed him.
Then at the end of the fight, he left his arm in and gave a way a triangle. Sadly for Sonnen, this is also a pattern that has dogged him throughout his career. His coach Matt Lindland has commented on the record about Sonnen "looking for ways to lose" in past fights. Did Sonnen do it again?
More after the jump.
Did I imagine that Lindland's command between rounds "do NOT lose this fight" after the fourth round had a note of panic. As if he were trying to ward off Sonnen's mental demons that have plagued his career. But he was unsuccessful and Anderson Silva is still champion.
It doesn't matter to me what kind of stunts Chael pulled in his efforts to promote the fight. In a sport where men habitually take PEDs and allegedly grease up before and definitely during fights to get an illegal advantage. I don't think quick tapping is the worst sin in the world and I don't think anything said in the name of successfully smack talking this fight into a hit -- based on our traffic across the SBN network, this is a huge hit event for the UFC -- is a bad thing.
Chael Sonnen is today's hero for MMA's cause.
Anderson Silva is a great champion, but Chael Sonnen is a great fighter and a great carnie. It takes two to tango and history should remember those who come so close and fail to make the peak -- no matter what they did to climb so high -- as well as those who come from behind to triumph.
Here's to Chael Sonnen and Matt Lindland, sometimes you fight a great fight and still look like a heel. If Sonnen had won, even using the quick tap, the magnitude of the upset would have overshadowed the controversy about methods.
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If there was a patented Chael Sonnen submission scream attached to the end of this fight I’d of thought it the most epic “The End” to any story written in recent MMA history. Instead, he puts in an incredible performance against the consensus #1 PvP fighter in the world, backing up his words, but failing to finish.
Both fighters deserve praise for their performances.
If you guys didnt all write articles back to back right after the event you might get more than 30 comments per article and more people reading them.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 8, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
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Looks like most of the articles on this show are getting tons of comments, yea perhaps at 4 in the morning the site isn’t all that busy but they seem to be getting plenty of people reading them and commenting (and a lot more people don’t comment than do).
lol are you seriously complaining about free reads
If you wanted to read one article go to sherdog
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Aug 8, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fantastic piece...
Some will rejoice over the result of this fight. But to me, I see it as a tragic story. Here is this guy. Some people know him but most don’t. He gets the opportunity of his life to earn a world title match. He succeeds in rousing fashion. He sets about making sure every single person knows his name, and want to watch the title fight. But buried below the antics is a fighter attempting to slay the immortal champion to reach his dream. It was a story of a over-achieving fighter attempting desperately to reach the top of the mountain when no one thought he had a chance.
Despite fighting the best fight of his entire career, wounding the invincible champion multiple times at his own game, and with victory all but assured as the clock ticked down; with one single move all of his dreams and aspirations were shattered. He simply wasn’t good enough. No amount of effort, desire, bravado, or heart could make up for the sheer difference in learned and natural ability the champion held.
Personally, I don’t want to see a rematch. I think this was Chael’s best. He fought above and beyond the pale of what he normally can muster. And despite it all, it just wasn’t enough. Would a rematch really make all that big of a difference? Or would it just taint the almost story-like setting of the first bout?
That is so ridiculous. Silva was completely destroyed for 4.5 rounds and you think Chael has no chance? The reason he got submitted isn’t because he has no idea what BJJ is he’s just WAY to aggressive from inside the guard. Any decent corner could’ve told him to be conservative and stay chest on chest for a round to take the decision victory.
I think if the rematch is announced Chael will open as the favorite.
Goldberg on Leben: One thing's for sure--he really did break that door on the Ultimate Fighter.
Rogan: uh...yeah.
Chael opening as the favorite is not going to happen. If it did, so much money would be put on Anderson that he would quickly become the heavy favorite.
by xDieseLx on Aug 8, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Chael does seem fated to be forever the bridesmaid never the bride. He should have hugged Anderson for the last 1:50 of the fight. Not sure what you mean by “it’s no coincidence that both Sonnen and Lindland are politicians from the country that is known for its do anything, say anything approach to campaigns and governing.” Having lived abroad, that describes almost all politicians in all countries with elections. Or do you mean the US is just really exceptional at it?
I hate to be that guy, but there’s a mistake in the title.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
(said the guy that makes 100 mistakes a day)
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah there’s 2 or 3 mistakes in the article as well. Good post but it needs a little cleanup.
by ufc4 on Aug 8, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here they are
“based on our traffic across the SBN network, the is a huge hit event for the UFC”
“particularly coach Matt Lindland established during their Olympic careers, win Matt Lindland had to file a law suit”
by Horselover Fat on Aug 8, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I never know
whether or not to mention typos. You just want to be helpful, but can’t help but look like an asshole.
Screw it, I usually look like an asshole anyway.
torqueing
Muriel Bustamante
With a fight hat great
win his silver metal
Hey Pete
R.I.P.
Also
“If Sonnen had one, even using the quick tap, the magnitude of the upset would have overshadowed the controversy about methods.”
I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Aug 8, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Aha, good catch. Nah, as long as you’re not acting like a dick about it, I think it’s all good. Kid Nate & co will usually correct the errors and say thanks for pointing it out.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 8, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Then just don’t complain when guys like Palhares holds the lock for couple more seconds, and we’re even. Remember: don’t complain afterwards. And also dont come with stupid fines and suspensions for one thing and not for the other.
by André Luiz Cantalogo on Aug 8, 2010 6:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You are equating attempting to get a competitive advantage to maliciously attempting to hurt the opponent after the fight has ended and the opponent has already given up?
Fail.
No, he's not
He’s saying that you shouldn’t get pissed at a guy like Palhares for holding a submission – despite repeated taps by your opponent – until the referee steps in and ends the fight, when you have guys who pull a quick tap to get the opponent to release the hold thinking the fight is over.
And a quick tap is not “a competitive advantage.” It’s quitting the fight and then denying that you quit the fight. That’s why a guy like Palhares fucks you up when the ref isn’t in place to do his job, because he’s not going to lose a fight due to letting go of a sub after a quick tap and having the ref not realize the tap happened.
by mma_critic on Aug 8, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line is when the guy taps the opponent is also giving up and the fight ends (or must end).
And what are you calling ‘an attempt to get a competitive advantage’ the world does calls cheating and unsportsmanship.
Palhares almost fractured Drwal’s knee thanks to one of this ‘attempts to get a competitive advantage’ from Lindland in the fight against Murilo Bustamante (That coaches palhares and always asks him and his fighters to hold locks for couple more seconds. Palhares did this in brazil a couple times as well). While I do acknowledge this is not right and that they are both asses, I also cannot endorse this kind of action from Chael, Lindland and others.
I’m just glad that after he put on the performance of his life he did not questioned the stoppage because he did quit. In the end because of that, I believe it did not tainted his awesome performance, though, I agree with the post.
by André Luiz Cantalogo on Aug 8, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Palhares almost fractured Drwal’s knee because he wouldn’t even let go whent he ref told him too, it’s a very different situation and it deserves a very different reponse. It had nothing to do with Drwal tapping it had to do with the ref telling him to let go and him still holding on to the point that the ref had to pry his hands off the hold. If you hold on even after the ref tells you to let go then a 90 day suspension isn’t enough of a punishment for your actions.
they are both wrong
the guy who holds a submission longer than he should, and the guy who taps and then lies about it saying he didn’t. two wrongs don’t make a right, we should complain when both instances happens.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
A guy who holds on till the ref steps in is one thing but a guy who holds on even a fraction of a second more than that deserves to be in trouble for it. The only way you are going to pick up a fine or a suspension for it is if you try to hold on after the ref steps in and if you do that you deserve your fine and suspension. Rousimar Palhares was suspended for 90 days for not letting go when the ref told him to, the ref had to pry his hands off the hold, that is a entirely different situation than what is being talked about with Sonnen.
While
I do believe that Chael quit and that he has some psychological issues which led to his defeat, I think the best thing he did was make Anderson really try. He pushed Andy in a way he hasn’t been for quite some time. When Andy came out on the feet, he tried to land strikes like a man on a mission, with the sort of passion and urgency that only comes from a man who is really being pushed to his limits.
Sonnen might not have won, but he came pretty damn close, and forced Anderson to fight (not dance) his way to victory.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 8, 2010 6:38 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
agreed.
I was kinda surprised in the first round though. Silva was fighting in a much shorter/closer range than he usually does. Could it be that he was trying to be more aggressive so he could finish the fight early cause of the injury? Was it just cause Chael was pushing forward? or was it just bad game planning (haha.)
either way, he did adjust on the 4th and 5th rounds, where he had more distance between them resulting to better strikes, and not being taken down again.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I noticed that
and when Chael cracked him, it was like Andy had no idea wtf happened, like he couldn’t be hit.
If Anderson has his hands low like that against a guy like Vitor or Okami, it might be more of that for him. I understand that he keeps his hands lower for grapplers, but you just can’t have your hands below your chest when you’re in striking range, no matter how good your head movement is.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 8, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still can’t believe that the guy who took flush kill shots from Dan Henderson and never blinked, got staggered last night by Chael Sonnen of all people. That blows my mind.
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Why?
Anybody can do that to anybody else if they get hit right.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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If you get hit on the button you get hit on the button.
And Anderson got hit on the button once or twice last night.
good point
many people haven’t really brought this up
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Aug 8, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
lol no
Really?
Chael Sonnen is today’s hero for Chael Sonnen’s cause.
Good fight.
I’d have loved to see Sonnen win it, felt like he deserved it. But since he lost, he obviously didn’t. I’d rather see a rematch (even though it’s begging to be a letdown) over, say, a Belfort fight.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
I say
Belfort vs Okami and immediate rematch between Chael and Anderson… If Anderson is injured and needs time to heal up, then make them coach a TUF Brazil vs USA
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Please no
Don’t put Anderson on TUF over a rib injury.
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by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
only only if he can't fight in the next few months (which is unlikely)...
If he can, rematch them immediately, and make Chael fight Vitor. I don’t see what’s wrong with making Silva stay active in marketing himself if he really can’t fight anyway…
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
For a rib injury?
It’s not broken, obviously. I have no desire to see a 35 year old Anderson Silva on the shelf for nine months. That is remarkably wasteful.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
which is why I said "only if" he can't fight...
Who knows if he got injured or aggravated that rib injury during the fight.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not a valid point, based on the criteria
I’ve had multiple rib injuries and, while they can linger, they’re not going to keep him out for nine months. Those are the sorts of injuries fighters fight through if they aren’t fully healed, but manageable. Thus, why he fought last night.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall. IF he has an injury that can keep him out for several months (like a broken something) then I don’t see why he shouldn’t spend time doing TUF, instead of simply just doing rehab or whatever. IF either fighter can’t fight. IF there’s a serious injury to either fighter.
since it’s highly unlikely, then we could see Silva fight again by the end of the year.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You're talking LIKE a brick wall
Stick to the fucking reality— he has a rib injury, not some mysterious broken femur or something. This is what we’re talking about.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Anderson should take as much time off as he feels necessary to rehab the injury.
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Nobody is arguing that. I’m saying he wouldn’t have to take nine months for a bruised rib under any circumstances.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Sheeeeit
I seen Diamond Dallas Page come out with bruised ribs THE NEXT NIGHT
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OH SNAP
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
he's probably fine, and we can have a rematch soon.
but If (by the slightest chance) that he/chael can’t fight in the next few months, then why not?
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No
Also, I think Vitor is going to get his shot at 122 and then Chael gets a rematch (should Anderson win) in early 2010.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Belfort is due the shot; Vitor vs. Anderson for UFC 122. Keeping Vitor on ice to await the winner of a rematch would be a gross injustice.
My viewpoint might not be popular, but I’d see Sonnen vs. Maia II for the chance of the winner of Belfort / Silva.
by VikingPhotography on Aug 8, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Maia has to fight Miranda first.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I won't be a gross injustice,
because he’d be fighting Okami for the next title shot, while Silva rematches Chael in what could be Anderson’s most anticipated UFC bout in recent memory… He hasn’t fought at MW yet in the UFC, yet he’s due? I don’t think I agree with that.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He's due because he was promised the shot, weo
He’s been sitting there waiting forever. How is that his fault?
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Not his fault,
but so what if he was verbally “promised” a title shot? It’s not final, and there have been quite a few times where the plans for a “promised” title shot have changed… even Dana White said nothing is final and that he doesn’t know who should fight Anderson.
I’d rather see him fight Okami for a title shot, than give him one right of the bat. Plus, a rematch will Chael is far more compelling now than a fight against Vitor.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 8, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know.
After seeing Sonnen tag Silva like he did in the first round it reaffirmed my claims that Vitor could hit him and he has the power to put him away. I’m ready to see either fight. A rematch or a fight with Vitor or even a fight with Okami. I can’t wait to see how he looks in his next fight. That rib injury had to be bad enough to cause him to fight different. He just didn’t look right the entire night.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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You're saying "due" like he truly deserves the shot
I’m saying he’s due a shot because they keep talking about it.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
What does that have to do with anything? He’s due a shot because they offered him one, not because he’s due in the sense that he’s the undisputed number one contender. I haven’t said anything on account of whether or not he deserves the shot.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Oh Chael
Very disappointed Chael lost. He may have failed to have the 12 pounds of gold, but he gained tons of fans after the fight for sure.
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What a garbage article, Trying to take a dominant performance one-sided beating like that away from Chael about some garbage about cheating? Wow I hate to think of what you think about CB Dollaway then? does he deserve death penality by this misguided and incorrect analysis and logic
You must like other cheaters too.
I can’t believe they tried to take away Sean Sherk’s dominant win over Hermes Franca just because he took a little Nandralone. That poor, poor man.
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by SilverNBlackZach! on Aug 8, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Lucky for us
No rules against banning their simple asses
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Chael was quick tapping at all. I don’t think he was protesting the tap. I think the confusion at the end of the fight came because Anderson didn’t feel Chael tap him (because he didn’t – he just motioned to the ref), and he started to crank on Chael’s arm as Rosenthal was stopping the fight. Chael seemed to be complaining that Anderson wasn’t letting go of the submission.
We’d have a clear understanding of this if one of the brilliant journalists at the post fight press conference would have thought to ask about it, instead of just continually asking, “Chael, how bad does it suck to lose like that?”
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by Brian Mayes on Aug 8, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Goddamn! Exactly. No one asked a single question about it. Just repeatedly trying to get Dana to give them the UFC schedule for the next 6 months, and absolutely clueless questioning about how Chael felt about losing with two minutes to go. Real hardball in the press corps.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Aug 9, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
And over 24 hours later, we still have nothing. The best we have is Ariel asking Dana about it, and from his answer I don’t think Dana really knew anything more than any of us do.
What an epic fail on the part of the media.
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Yeah, here's to Chael!
Here’s to Chael for never learning to finish fights!
Here’s to Chael for leaving his arm out there like bait for all 5 rounds!
Here’s to Chael for lying about the tap so he could try to cheat his way to victory!
Here’s to Chael for consistency – making the same mistakes every outing makes reporting easy!
Hip, hip!
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by jemaleddin on Aug 8, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Okay
I’m not a Chael fan either, but 150 posts saying the same thing actually lessens the impact of your opinion.
Just sayin.
by Dootch on Aug 8, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hey, I added the not finishing fights this time!
Also the leaving his arm out! I’m changing it up! :-)
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I believe you were the fool predicting that Silva would wire Sonnen’s jaw shut? How did that work out for ya?
Goldberg on Leben: One thing's for sure--he really did break that door on the Ultimate Fighter.
Rogan: uh...yeah.
That makes him a fool?
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Not for that, but as always, it is the people who made personal, non-objective attacks that look that way.
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Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Aug 8, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you need to work on your humor detector.
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Sadly, he's not a qualified oral surgeon.
But I hear he’s taking some correspondence courses.
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He's also the guy that has been shitting all over Sonnen
for about 643 consecutive posts. He must know somebody, that’s just crazed fighter bashing for the longest.
Bashing?
Complaining about an attempt to cheat isn’t bashing.
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NEWS FLASH: SONNEN DIDN'T PLAN THE WTC ATTACKS
NOR DID HE SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO THE TALIBAN, RED ARMY OR ELF.
He sold a ppv fight and delivered a gutsy performance.
by taz66 on Aug 8, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a bit much.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
From the silly haters here on this site
one might think that Sonnen was really a criminal living in France avoiding being arrested for something heinous.
I don’t know man. A lot of people around here love Sonnen, especially over these last few months. I don’t think anyone is taking away from what he did last night.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Dude
check out jamelden, tanglebones, and few others here. They must not have jobs or homes to keep up!lol They’re posting comments 24/7 and spew racism accusations, blah blah blah, personal attacks all day and anyone that disagrees is their idea of retarded or uneducated. It’s obvious from most they’ve never competed or been in a street fight or even played around in their back yard with a neighbor with gloves on. Just stats, numbers, personal attacks and mouth.lol Geez, when I said I liked the guy I was about banned.
Certainly you have a job and a life it’s not like you have time to see how many and how often comments other users make… oh wait a second wait wait here it comes Yahtzee!
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Jemaladdin and TangleBones are the same person
at least that’s what his sig tells me
I throw raps that attack like the Japs on Pearl Harbor/MC's be out like bank robbers/Fleeing the scene, to be a sole survivor/DJ the getaway driver/Tried to dip but he dive, I socialize on vocal vibes/On tracks stabbed up with razor sharp knives
Next you’ll tell me Robert Downey Sr is not part of the Wu Tang Clan
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Robert Downey Sr directed Putney Swope
it’s entirely possible he’s the 430th member of the Wu Tang Clan
I throw raps that attack like the Japs on Pearl Harbor/MC's be out like bank robbers/Fleeing the scene, to be a sole survivor/DJ the getaway driver/Tried to dip but he dive, I socialize on vocal vibes/On tracks stabbed up with razor sharp knives
You were almost banned for saying you liked Chael?
By whom? Who was trying to ban you? Because first I hear that I “attacked” you, only to find that you mean, “disagreed with.” Now I’m guessing that banned means “somebody made a frowny symbol.”
And yes, I post a lot. It’s odd that you’d complain about the volume of my comments last night considering that I was mostly responding to yours. (It’s funny that I was suggesting that you might be intoxicated, and here it turns out that you were seeing double and thinking I was two people.)
If you want my honest opinion, Chael did an amazing job last night. That was the best performance of his career, and one of the most amazing fights I’ve ever seen. I gained a lot of respect for his skills, drive and determination. You really can’t blame people for not predicting how well he’d do, since he’d never done that well before.
And then he took a great big shit on all of his hard work by trying to fake his way through a tap so that he could get out of a submission. If Josh hadn’t seen through his shit, and the replay hadn’t had a good angle, he could have tainted Silva’s win and the middleweight belt. As it is, it seems he’s convinced a huge number of people that this brand of cheating is perfectly normal and justifiable. Combined with his near-constant misrepresentations of his record, his own statements and reality itself, a man whose abilities, work ethic and acheivements should make him a role model is instead the last person you’d want anyone you care about to emulate.
Think about that: his biggest victim was his own reputation as a man.
So if you don’t understand why this kind of behavior – and the commentary proclaiming him the hero of the night – upsets me, I’m afraid that you’re either a person unconcerned with honesty, or hopelessly deluded by your appreciation for Chael’s mouth and moves into thinking that honesty doesn’t matter.
And I want you to know that it does. Honesty matters. Stretching the truth and selling a fight by doing so have a place in this world. But that kind of behavior in the cage has no place in this sport. And I’ll continue to disagree with anyone who says otherwise.
Clear?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 8, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so you disagree?
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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 8, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A little.
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You’ve pretty much wrapped it up there, but it doesn’t help that he already had a bad reputation for this due to the first Paulo Filho fight.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Aug 9, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The difference being that nobody watched the Filho fight.
And that he’s SERIOUSLY stepped up his game since then.
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Hoping, not predicting
And I’m pretty happy. Did you hear that Sonnen lost?
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It’s more like…
Here’s to Chael for showing how shitty Anderson’s takedown defense is.
Here’s to Chael for showing that even a guy who’s a horrible striker can rock Anderson.
Here’s to Chael for making the people care about Anderson Silva after UFC 112.
and Here’s to Chael for backing up all the trash talk people said would lead him to getting destroyed.
I’d say those hip, hips are well deserved and then some.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You should read that long comment I made above.
And 3-7 on takedowns isn’t that impressive – I’m more impressed by his top game than his takedowns after last night.
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Speaking of cheating does anyone else have an issue using the top of the cage/fencing to add to his high kicks?
He’s done it before and it bugs me. He grabs the caging with his hand/arm and uses it to make his kick higher, faster, harder without unbalancing himself. If the cage wasn’t there for him to hold onto he’d end up on his head.
Great fight but that’s just something I think most people have missed.
by NateDouble on Aug 8, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well grabing the fence is against the rules no mater what your trying to do. I think we are all against cheating.
No, grabbing the fence to avoid a takedown is illegal. Grabbing the cage while kicking isn’t any different than Belcher’s super-duper-man punch off the cage against Sexyama. They also allow fighters to grab the cage with their toes… so there’s that, for whatever it’s worth.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Interesting video interview from the lead up to this fight, where Chael talks about mental toughness and how it relates to his submisson losses. Interesting stuff, and worth checking out. Definetly sheds some light on what happened last night.
http://www.mmascraps.com/2010/08/chael-sonnen-cain-velasquez-is-best.html
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Silva could have ended this fight at anytime.
Am I the only one that thinks Silva could have ended this fight at any point with a submission? He had the kimura then the heel hook, but let it go for no apparent reason. He could have pulled a triangle in any one of the rounds, but didn’t try until the 5th. I’m not convinced that Silva came out to fight!
I can’t think of any better way of taking the heart out of your opponent than letting him think they’re winning, then ending with a submission less than 2 minutes ’til the end of the fight.
by Joo on Aug 8, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep your right
Anderson intentionally got knocked down and had the living fuck pounded out of him for 4.5 rounds. That was his way of taking the heart out of Chael. Anderson was like " I’m gonna let him fuck me up the entire fight and put up little resistance, then I’m gonna get him." Anderson couldn’t do shit and the only reason he won is because Chael did like his has done before and got to aggressive and wreckless, then walked himself into a sub.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Silva was never close to being finished
I would hardly call it an ass beating. With the exception of the knockdown, Sonnen’s rabbit punches did no damage! Soon after the knockdown, Sonnen hit Silva with 3-4 stikes to the head with nothing but a flinch from Silva. At what point in the fight was Silva in danger of being finished?
Incorrect. Sonnen had at least one, maybe two 10-8 rounds. Anderson was hurt, and Rosenthal was looking ready to step in a couple of times just from the sheer volume of shots he was eating. Anderson’s a tough cat, and he kept his composure, but he was hurt.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
90% of Sonnen’s punches wouldn’t have KO a toddler. Even his powershots barely made Silva flinch. Rosenthal was never going to stop the fight!
by Joo on Aug 8, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
First off you don’t have to be finished to take an ass beating “GSP- Fitch.” And yes it was an ass beating, according to fight metric Sonnen landed 320 total strikes to Andersons 64 and 89 significant strikes to Andersons 29. Those numbers have ass beating written all over them. Not to mention getting knocked down is pretty close to being finished. It kinda means the lights in your brain are flickering on and off.
Chael held him down and pounded him for 4.5 rounds with Anderson doing very little in return. And Chael also hit him with some very hard shots. Also refering to the “rabbit punches” you ever been hit over and over and over by shots that aren’t that hard? The first few are nothing, but when you keep eating them repeatedly they start to add up and eventually your head starts to pound. And nothing but a flinch? Did you see Anderson in the corner? He looked like he was miserable.
Again I will repeat myself and say you don’t have to be close to being finished to take an ass beating. To be honest I’d rather deal with somebody hitting me with one hard KO punch than be ground and pounded relentlessly the whole fight. I bet Anderson feels like he got hit by a train today.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
by attgnp on Aug 8, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Silva was never knocked down. Wobbled, Yes. 10 out of those 320 strikes were significant shots, which Silva shrugged off. Out of the 4.5 rounds, I would consider perhaps 2 minutes of significant ground and pound. Rabbit punches are not GROUND and POUND.
You have a point with the GSP-Fitch fight, but GSP landed and knocked Fitch down with significant strikes.
Rabbit Punches
are shots to the back of the head/neck, and they are as illegal in MMA as they are in boxing. I hope people don’t start referring to any pitty-pat punches as rabbit punches just because Rogan or Goldie dun goofed once with their terminology..
Hey Pete
R.I.P.
come on man
that’s just crazy talk now
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Aug 8, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No your not the only one
Most of the people that were nearby me in the arena, including some of Silva’s training partners new something was up after the 1st round. And there have been telltale bits of information that have come out since then to suggest Silva was carrying Sonnen until the fight ending submission.
I have my suspicions as well
The 7 or so guys I watched the fight with all were expecting Chael to lose even when it looked like he had it in the bad. Low and Behold, he did lose. But why would Silva want to cut it that close? If that is indeed the case, Silva is a stranger guy than I thought
by CaptainKneebar on Aug 8, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he has proven to be one to play very complex mind games with almost everyone
Who knows what he is thinking or what motivates him. But it did not seem that he was ever concerned with what Sonnen was doing to him. It looked very much like a Master sparring with his student.
by SimplePsych on Aug 8, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A rematch... for what??
Was this a great match? For sure.
Was this the best fight of Sonnen’s career? No doubt, he pushed Anderson Silva to the limit, and almost captured his middleweight crown.
But he tapped out. The only controversy about this match was that Sonnen started to protest (lie) about the tap that he so obviously did in the dying few minutes. That’s a lack of integrity in my book.
With a current UFC win-loss record of 3 wins and 4 losses I’m sure if it was any other fighter, the would be shown the door.
Sonnon in my book in the end showed he lacks integrity, and fortitude to finish the fight that he for the most part won.
And does that make him deserve a rematch with the champ? Hell no! Not in my books…
by devious1 on Aug 8, 2010 10:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Chael is 3-2 since returning to the UFC.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
pordon me....
Let me correct myself.
His actual lifetime UFC record is 4-4. With losses to Babalu, Horn, Maia, and now Silva.
Fuck it. My original comment still applies…
by devious1 on Aug 8, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You were wrong in both cases, so not really. The UFC isn’t so black and white where if a guy loses a few fights in total, he’s out. This was his first loss in four fights, and in shocking fashion to the best fighter in the world.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
I will sleep just fine at night Blackout whether or not you think I’m wrong or not.
I’m not trying to come across as snarky. I’m just saying….
Regardless, Sonnen doesn’t deserve a rematch.
It was a great fight, he was beating the champ but couldn’t pull it off in the end.
My original comment stands, Sonnen does not deserve an immediate rematch.
Get in the back of the line like everyone else.
by devious1 on Aug 8, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean, I think Belfort goes next, but I wouldn’t shit the bed if they gave Sonnen the rematch.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're ignoring the fact
that he has had two stints in the UFC. He went 1-2 in his first run in 2006. In his second run his only loss was to Demian Maia, he defeated Dan Miller, Yushin Okami and then Nate Marquardt before challenging and clowning the best p4p fighter on the planet before losing in spectacular fashion.
If he doesn’t deserve a re-match then no one does.
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
read my last comment...thanks
So beating Nate, Okami, and Miller only to go on and lose to the champ…..
Read again…. LOSE TO THE CHAMP deserves an automatic rematch?
Really? A loss is still a loss my friend.
Clowning or not.
by devious1 on Aug 8, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So
clowning the champ and still losing is an automatic rematch. This is starting to look like a trend. If the fight is good rematch. Sorry if I wanted to watch that, I’d watch wrestling, fact of the matter is this. Regardless of how Chael did, he still tapped at the end of the day, rematch no, work your way back up, let someone else get a chance.
I think you've never been in a fight.
You’d have an appreciation for an underdog beating the shit out of a previously thought to be immortal. Getting caught in the final minutes is like a hail mary pass at the end of a blow out and it counting for 30 points.
by taz66 on Aug 8, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would hasten to consider that I have been in far more than you
And this isn’t football, you need to win the entire fight, not just a portion. And many great fighters have made their name by winning in a very similar way. George Foreman also pounded on Ali for 7 rounds and was far ahead on points when he gassed out and got “Doped” by the “Rope”.
You could consider it but it wouldn't necessarily change it.
At over 40 I’m still battling with 18 yr olds to 50 yr olds in a prison. Sometimes every other day. I’ve not been tagged real good in years, except for a bad guy biting my thumb half off in a scuffle. I wouldn’t say big George got clowned either. I’m sure you’d never tell him that to his face even over the hill as he is now.lol I fucking wouldn’t.
Come on you don’t battle with them, you drop the soap on purpose.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Well you wouldn't but he would
I got that line from big George himself in a recent documentary where he said word for word “I thought I was gonna walk over him like a freight train, instead he used the rope and made me his dope, and I fell for it hook, line and sinker!”
I don’t think shitting on Muhammad Ali is really in style these days.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say beating the piss out of a guy who has lost like 1 round in his UFC career to that point for 4.5 rounds earns a rematch. Had Chael not got a little too aggressive this fight was his. He could have pulled an Anderson and ran in circles the last round and still won dominantly. So yeah he deserves a rematch. I think the fight would go the exact same way in a rematch only minus the sub(if Chael pulls his head out of his ass and trains a little more BJJ".
I mean why wouldn’t you want to see a rematch? Chael rocked Anderson on his feet, and that is something nobody else has come close to doing. Shit nobody has even put their hands on him untill Chael. Even Anderson looked like he about shit himself he was so shocked by it. Then he put him on his back and ground and pounded the shit out him. To add to all of this I’m thinking this fight would bring big numbers for the UFC given the way things went down last night. I know I sure as hell would love to see Andersons cocky ass get beat on some more, even if he still does pull out the win. I’ll bet Chael humbled Andersons ass right up.
You just must have not liked watching the look of desperation on Andersons face as he was getting beat on relentlessly.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
by attgnp on Aug 8, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My humble opinion.
I believe Champions deserve rematches, Challangers do not. Challangers get a shot at the title, not shots. Challangers need to get back in line after they lose to the champ. They should not be given another chance to do something they could not.
My buddy last night said “That was some Walker Texas Ranger shit!”. I fuckin lost it.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 8, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ba Na NA WAYYYYYYYYYYYY BA NA NA WAY BANNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SilverNBlackZach! on Aug 8, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does anyone else recognize where that comes from!?
Very funny.
by DepthApproach on Aug 8, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Legacy?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That stunt set up the whole fight. Anderson was never the same after that.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw that
and immediately I thought, “Mother——er came to fight!” Good gif by the way.
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by MSEMCEE on Aug 8, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Sonnen has great sense of humour.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect!
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you just can't apreciate shit!
the barrel roll trumped the poopy kick.
"I ain't got time to breath."
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Pain don't hurt...
Behold--
My new signature.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Jose Aldo vs zombie beanpole Chael Sonnen would be awesome.
Chael had me laughing through the whole post presser.
Excellent article
It’s good to see people giving the man his due. I was watching the beginning and my wife came out of the bathroom about 3:30 into the first and said,“What are you yelling about?” I laughed and told her “Man came to win, tonight!” All his antics before certainly DID get into Silvas head and he did exactly what he said he’d do.
Also the class shown by both men was a Rocky moment for everyone. I knew I wasn’t getting to bed anytime soon.lol Anybody still hating on Sonnen need to see a counselor.
if you want to imply that somehow AMerica has the dirtiest politics in the world…you really are ignoring how elections get done in most countries in the world.
get outta here with that noise.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Aug 8, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
we have the most advanced communications in the world
other countries resort to much more flagrant crimes and cheating, but no one is as advanced at dishonest manipulation through advertising and public relations than we are in the U.S.
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I was at the first Iraqi elections
Feb 2005
At least no one gets their heads cut off at American election booths.
"I ain't got time to breath."
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Pain don't hurt...
What’s up with the sig? I mean the first line.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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There was a similar quote in “Predator”: “-Blain, you’re bleeding. – I ain’t got time to bleed”.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I mean.
Was wondering if he fucked up the line or it was on purpose and if so what’s the point of it.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
Maybe it’s a satire on Carwin.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It's something funny I like to say
when I roll BJJ and someone trys to choke me.
I never tap to chokes, so I go out alot in practice.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
Politics is dirty by nature
But US politics is beyond anything I’ve ever seen anywhere else. They have perfected the art of propaganda, lobbying and grandstanding. It’s like politics amped up on meth.
you obviously have never seen how it's done
in the 3rd world.
Think before you post.
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Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
I know what goes on, I’m not naive. I don’t consider the tactics you mention (of cutting people’s heads off) as politics. I consider that outright intimidation and dictatorial and illegal. It’s not legal to cut off someone’s head at an election booth. Obviously there will be an extreme. What I’m talking about is politics as we (western society) knows it: media, lobbying, hand shaking and baby kissing. Politics have evolved (or regressed, depending on how you see it) over the past ten to fifteen years into something that is almost like an ubber version of itself. And American politicians are the best at it.
Uh, don’t sell the English so short
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm talking about the sophistication required to dupe
an educated populace. in the third world you can get by on thuggery, bribery and propaganda that isn’t much more sophisticated than what Trotsky was doing in 1917. In the states we’re post-modern.
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Isolation served with their propaganda serves third world dictators well
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The internet is fucking up Iran right now.
Anyone ever heard of “Neda”?
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
The key is to trick people into wanting it. Fear is so 20th Century.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick tapping.
I too agree that it isn’t the worst thing in the world. Greasing and pretending to get hit with an illegal blow when there wasn’t one (cough cough Kos! cough cough) are way worse IMO, but it’s a double edged sword. Yeah, a quick tap can make the other fighter believe you tapped, but if the ref sees it, that would also be the end of your night.
Chael did complain to Josh for a while
Sad though.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
It's over. He lost.
lets not deconstruct it for eternity.
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
I’d say that the 12-18 hours after a fight is kinda fair game.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Aug 8, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I kinda agree with the quick tap stuff. During the fight I thought maybe he was going to use it to complain afterward about not really tapping; but then when he didn’t I wasn’t sure what to think. Watching the Gracie breakdown video makes me think more along the lines of that again. Not so much to complain about the stoppage but to hope a mixup would make Silva let go or ref to start to move and then try to move the fight forward. Kind of a cheesy strategy (working on better sub defense would have been a better strategy), but all in all glad to see he didn’t start complaining about it on the mic and in the presser.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I'd fight him right now" - Sonnen
btw, to answer the question what Sonnen did at UF 117 is do almost everything he said he would before the fight. What he did was make the so called experts who talked about how he had no business being in the same cage as Silva look idiotic. In the end that’s what matters a guy talked the talk and walked the walk, it’s too bad that the only thing people seem to be getting out of the fight. Is more myths and conspiracy theories, mma fans are sadly starting to resemble wrestling fans more and more by the day.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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Nobody Seems to mention the fact
that Silva actually rocked Sonnen from the bottom just seconds before Silva cinched in the triangle.
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