Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen: Immediate rematch?
by thetakeover on Aug 8, 2010 1:26 AM EDT
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I can hardly believe what I just saw.
Anderson Silva was dominated for 4 1/2 rounds and then found a triangle to win.
I'm so excited I can barely form coherent thoughts, but we have a lot to discuss so here are a few talking points. I look forward to seeing your thoughts.
1) Anderson is beatable. Chael wrote the formula: stick to him like Velcro. We have to question Anderson's takedown defense, but especially his ability to wall walk and get back to his feet--he seemed pretty helpless off his back right up until the moment he threw that insane triangle.
2) It's never over till its over. Chael made a mistake. Anderson has Nog jiu-jitsu in his back pocket that we've never seen him use. This is why Aldo took it easy on Faber for the last round. If Chael would have played it safe, he would have won.
3) Chael was classy in defeat. Rogan opened up the door for an immediate rematch, and Chael for once was magnanimous. I actually think this was a mistake--he should have amped up the shit-talk and gotten the rematch, which would do boffo box office. But I was impressed by his babyface turn--he made me a fan.
4) Anderson vs. GSP must happen. I wasn't a fan of this superfight before, but having seen Anderson's weakness to wrestling, we absolutely must see this fight to determine best P4P.
5) I feel bad for Chael. Never thought I'd say that, but you gotta feel for a guy who was so close to his dream, who could feel the weight of the belt around his waist, and suddenly lost it all.
6) That was one of the greatest nights of fights in recent memory. Hopefully this buries the meme that Anderson doesn't put on exciting fights or sell PPVs. I watched it at Buffalo Wild Wings and it was packed and the crowd was more enthusiastic and vocal than I've seen in any PPV this year.
That's all I got for now. Look forward to your comments. It's a great night to be a fan.
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Anyone who thinks anderson is the best p4p is a fool. I wrote about 4 pages explaining to you all how overrated he was and got mocked but this just proves it. Chael just was incredibly reckless it was obvious he was the better fighter.
Goldberg on Leben: One thing's for sure--he really did break that door on the Ultimate Fighter.
Rogan: uh...yeah.
I couldn’t agree more. When they rematch Chael will surely take it unless he gets too reckless and does something stupid. All he had to do was coast the last round and the fight was his. He got over aggressive.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Silva was not himself
After the first round, when walking back to his corner you see him rub his ribs. If the fight again Silva will punish him.
I want to know more about
the supposed rib injury before we start drawing conclusions about who will win what.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 8, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there is always an excuse from the that camp, if it’s not staph it’s somethign else at this point them actually not making any excuses would be news.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
You are right but
You usually hear the excuses from the losers camp not from the winner of the fight. Not that the previous point is validated in any way shape or form, but, an interesting point all the same.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
I'll be interested to see the results of this poll
I’d like to see Anderson vs. Vitor first, but I understand the calls for an immediate rematch.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Vitor can still fight Marquardt or Okami...
Who can Chael fight?
How could he play it safe?
If he tries to stall on top, the fight gets sent back to standing and Silva has the chance to knock him out.
If he lets Silva up and tries to dance, see above.
There is no such thing as playing it safe with Silva. Silva is a threat to knock you out or sub you until the fight is over, period. Every single person watching was thinking the same thing in the 5th round — If Chael pays attention and doesn’t make any mistakes, he’s the new champ. But Silva demonstrated once again that he’s still the best.
I don’t think Silva has many fights left. Maybe 3. Then he retires. He showed he was human today. If he goes up to 205 and fights Jones, he loses. I’d put my fortune on Jones in that fight.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
How to play it safe
Posture up. Throw pitty-pat punches. If it gets stood up, shoot for the takedown. Repeat.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Poll results
So far seemsconsistent at 75% for instant rematch.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Again
a rematch is silly. You don’t get rematches when you get finished. You work your way back up. Yes, it would be great to see them fight again but Chael had his shot and blew it.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
Again…
Silva was dominated for 4 and a half rounds, has that ever even happened before in mma history?. Sonnen earned the rematch if that’s what Dana has to do, there simply isn’t anyone who has anything on him at this point.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Has what happened before?
Silva been handled like that? No. A fighter gets beat up until he pulls out a sub? Yes.
Chael should be re-matching Maia. A new guy should get a chance. Sonnen had his.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
He didn’t just get beat up he was dominated for 23 minutes, I love how people just act like Sonnen won a round or 2 and then lost he was 2 minutes away from total complete domination of the so called p4p king.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed @vegasBatman
Chael tapped in the final round, final minute of a Championship fight he was winning. I don’t care how tight the triangle was or the armbar…YOU DON’T TAP!!!
Why not? In what way is it better to go to sleep and/or have your arm broken?
by Horselover Fat on Aug 8, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive gone back and forth
but I think with Vitor waiting so long (his injury playing a part of course) for his shot and the fact that Sonnen was finished and not screwed, they should continue with Belfort/Silva. Its a good fight, if not properly built imo.
Rematch.
It’s so obvious. I knew Edgar won the Penn fight and there was an immediate rematch after that and Edgar was not that dominate. The difference here is Sonnen pulled a Carwin/Brock 1st round on Anderson for 4 1/2 rounds and got caught. Silva looked horrible. I thought this dude was going to quit and leave MMA for good. He looked like he checked out after the first take down of each and every round.
And people think Fedor deserves an immediate rematch against Werdum. This is by far more deserving than Fedor/Werdum.
Have to disagree
The Penn/Edgar fight demanded it because 1) it was the champ who lost and 2) it was somewhat controversial as many thought BJ won a decision that could have easily gone either way.
You really can’t compare Fedor/Werdum, because Strikeforce’s situation is so different. They lack stars and need to strike while the iron is (relatively) hot.
Sonnen/Silva deserves a rematch, just not an immediate one. There was no controversy, Sonnen tapped and lost the fight. The fact that he was dominating before that is great, but not worthy of an immediate rematch.
Leben/Sonnen would be an awesome fight
do that or Sonnen/Maia
No interest in a rematch. Chael lost and like any other challenge that falls short of the mark, you need to go back and earn your shot again.
Exactly. Close, but no cigar.
Nog and Fedor have played that same game countless. Take a vicious beating and retaliate with foul murder at the last minute.
Two questions come to mind after this fight.
- Can Chael beat Silva the second time around?
- Can other fighters use what Chael did to Silva – with better results?
On question nr. 1 – I don’t know. Immediate rematch or not (I’d prefer Silva fight Vitor first – and Sonnen getting first dibs on the winner, but I’m not the one who makes the decisions here) Silva would know what he’s up against. Whether that will make a difference is debatable.
On the second question – maybe. It might take a fighter who has great wrestling and a gas tank the size of a supertanker, but apparently one can smother Silva on the ground. It wouldn’t be the first time someone provided a ‘blueprint’ on a certain fighter – Fedor did it vs. Crocop and one might say Page did it vs Chuck – but blueprint or not, it still takes certain attributes to be able to pull it off.
You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Aug 8, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
Wouldn’t call it a rematch because the outcome of the fight was clear. But a quick submission doesn’t t undo 23 minutes of battering. Vitor has been waiting for a title shot, he can wait some more after tonight.
The only reason i can see people not wanting another Silva/Sonnen fight is the fear of seeing Anderson Silva getting beat up for another 25mins.
I'd like to see a rematch...
But not right away. I’d like to see Vitor get his shot; as for Chael, maybe a rematch with Maia or the winner of Bisping/Akiyama?
Chael wrote the formula: stick to him like Velcro. We have to question Anderson’s takedown defense, but especially his ability to wall walk and get back to his feet—he seemed pretty helpless off his back right up until the moment he threw that insane triangle.
That’s always been the formula. Chael was just the first one to follow it – well, almost. And I think this is a lot like Mousasi/Lawal – Sonnen is probably as good a wrestler as we’ll see in MMA for a long, long time, and just because he can take Silva down it doesn’t necessarily show a deficit in Silva’s skill.
You have to remember that most of these “elite” wrestlers spent years and years away from wrestling before they entered MMA. Sonnen went into MMA almost immediately after his wrestling career, so he didn’t lose that edge. I don’t think we’ll see a better wrestler than Sonnen until kids start out training wrestling for MMA, instead of wrestling for wrestling.
I think the rematch would be a lot more exciting if Sonnen gets a win or two in between. A win over Maia, in particular, would definitely help sell the rematch.
no rematch!
if the champion finishes you, you have to beat someone else before you get another shot
life is a sexual transmitted disease!
In the end
it will come down to $$$. Dana’s no fool, he knows what kind of dough a rematch would bring in. I’m a Belfort man and I’d like for him to get his shot, but after that, definitely. PPV numbers would be incredible.
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