UFC 117 Post-Fight Analysis: Anderson Silva Reminds Fans Why This Is the Greatest Sport on Earth
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 8, 2010 2:18 AM EDT
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My petite and polite wife was up like a shot. She's inches from the television, screaming her head off. "Oh my God. Anderson! Kill him! Choke him. Choke him!" It was that kind of fight. No amount of breeding, class, or dignity can defeat the power of the UFC. If you ever need to show someone a fight to explain what it is about this sport that moves you, that stirs the primal passions inside, simply pop in a DVD of this show.
After losing 22 minutes of his seventh title defense, Anderson Silva looked all but helpless. Chael Sonnen has talked a riduculous amount of trash leading up to the fight. More frustrating, surely, for the sport's best fighter-Sonnen was backing it up. He knocked the champion down with a left hand in the first round. He deposited him on his butt in every round. According to CompuStrike, Sonnen was outlanding Silva 218-11 through three rounds.
As the fifth and final round opened the impossible seemed a real possibility. Sonnen had only to survive to pull off the biggest upset in UFC history. And then, it was Sonnen being Sonnen, beating himself in the biggest fight of his life. Seconds before the triangle choke that ended his night I tweeted that he was begging to be armbarred. Perhaps looking for an exciting finish, Sonnen got careless. He left his arms wide open, recklessly attacking the champion who lay prone beneath him. Like a true champion, Silva made him pay.
And we celebrated in my house. Sleeping kids be damned-it was a moment worthy of the shouts we couldn't contain. One of the greatest champions I've ever seen pulled of a bonafide miracle. I was proud to be witness to it, triumph trumping tragedy in the final seconds. What an amazing moment.
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great fight!!!
Cheal Sonnen backed up every word he said!!! and AS proves why he is still the best!! couldnt ask for more in a fight!! yes there will b a rematch.
Much respect to Chael
Ironically he was submitted by via Happy Meal toy….
by Jonnycaz2.0 on Aug 8, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
30 seconds before the choke
I sent a buddy mine watching the fight elsewhere a text that read “Barring a miracle, Chael Sonnen, MW champion.”
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by Worldisart on Aug 8, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I spent the final 10+ minutes of the fight telling everyone who would listen that Sonnen was going to lose by either arm bar or triangle choke. Granted I was rooting for Sonnen, but I was just certain he was going to lose.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
I did the same thing,
Mine read “Anderson got his ass kicked and lost.” I believe I motivated Anderson somehow with that text. In some strange way I won the fight for Anderson. You are welcome Spider.
I never thought I would say this but: My heart bleeds for Chael Sonnen!
by MMAruinedME on Aug 8, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not me.
He really has to learn not to leave his arms out there like that. His submission defense is the worst of any elite level fighter in MMA. If he learns from this he can win a rematch.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Sonnen thought Silva was broken and was just riding out the end of the round waiting to lose. I mean, Silva hadnt even attempted an armbar, triangle, anything, through the first 4 rounds. And then, BAM! Chael got overaggressive and its over.
He may not have thrown up a submission, but he worked to isolate throughout the fight (when he wasn’t trying to stall for a standup, that is).
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Absolutely agree
Every fan wins tonight!
The greatest sport on Earth, we should be thankful that we’re here to bear witness.
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What a pleasant change
You didn’t trash the main event in an effort to be contrarian. Nice job.
by cyke on Aug 8, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ve never made an effort to be contrarian. It just comes naturally I guess. I call then as I see them-and tonight I saw a great show!
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 8, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
I’m still giddy. I woke up everyone when he tapped. I have never been more anxious during a fight (it felt like a meaningful Redskins game — not like we have many of those). I did not see the end coming.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Absolute opposite reaction in my house, another champion we have to continue to put up with both carwin and sonnen drop.the ball
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by imapimp08 on Aug 8, 2010 1:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If you weren't moved by Lesnar and Silva...
…Then maybe this isn’t the sport for you.
by argyle on Aug 8, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I agree.
It’s a great sport and everyone can feel anyway they want about it.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by JTho on Aug 8, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brock Lesnar gets dominated and pulls out a victory = you criticize him
Anderson Silva gets dominated and pulls out a victory = you praise him
I’m very interested in this pleasant change.
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by andrew861 on Aug 8, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 11 recs
I’m not reliving that nonsense so don’t start it. I called Brock-Carwin an epic fight and I loved it. This one moved me much more.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 8, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it because Anderson Silva is one of your favorite fighters and Brock Lesnar isn't?
Just saying…
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
by andrew861 on Aug 8, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Not really. I’d say I felt similarly about them both.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 8, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Forget all that, the real question is: how bad does Fitch look stacked up against all those other thrillers? Talk about the fat chick at the party……
by Hutchy on Aug 8, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe I’m nuts, but I enjoyed watching Fitch dismantle the #3 WW in the world.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 8, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Same
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re not nuts. Everyone I watched with enjoyed that fight, too.
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For Silva and his fans my wife…sure.
I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Aug 8, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
This is very different.
This was actually emotional.
We all saw that Carwin was done for, had nothing left in him. He was finished. This was legitimately exciting.
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1. Lesnar’s striking looked TERRIBLE in that fight. I’m not saying that Silva’s takedown-
defense is world-class, but it looked a helluva lot better that Lesnar’s striking
2. The main catalyst behind Lesnar’s victory was Carwin gassing himself out. While Sonnen’s
porous sub-defense certainly didn’t help matters, a large part of Silva’s victory was his
jiu-jitsu.
Look, I’m not hating on Lesnar. His ability to survive getting bombed on for 3 1/2 minutes is certainly laudable. But given that his striking looked terrible and that Carwin really shot himself in the foot in that fight, I had no problem with Snowden’s criticism.
by JTrain007 on Aug 8, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well...
Brock’s striking was horrible but I could not believe my eyes at how shitty Anderson was looking up to the 5th. I told my family his team should just throw the towel in at the end of the third. Brock looked helpless getting pounded by Carwin and Anderson looked just as bad through 4 1/2 rounds.
I walked away from my TV when he fought Maia. I was about to do the same thing for this fight. He just looked like he was giving up and didn’t care if he lost.
I felt exactly the same
when I watched Big Nog vs. Bobb Sapp. Anderson is a hero!
Another all time classic. Man, I am giddy after that fight…
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 8, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Article
and an even greater night of fights. I only wish Sonnen would have won, that would have made my month.
I feel strange
Everybody in the house thought the fight was fixed, other than me of course. I couldn’t say anything to make them change their minds. It was a great night but very frustrating as well for me.
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PS
I’m a huge Anderson fan. I acutallly picked Chael to win. And Anderson got no respect from the people watching in my group. None.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Everybody in the house thought the fight was fixed, other than me of course.
No offense, but everyone in your house is retarded.
by pud333 on Aug 8, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Hey
I agree with you. I feel like I was taking crazy pills! I lost my voice arguing with them. It’s not like they don’t know anything either. I think it’s because they are young. No offense to the younger folks here. I’m just on a high from Hughes and Silva winning in dramatic fashion and…..I don’t know man. People bring me down I guess. I mean it’s obvious it wasn’t fixed. Greatest sport on earth PERIOD. Even if Chael would have won it would have made for a great night. I can only compare it to watching Buster Douglas knock Tyson around the ring years ago. Only this time, the favorite pulled off a miracle and showed why he’s the champ.
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so a rematch with Cheal Sonnen is the reason a silva vs gsp fight is further off in the distance
my question is this:
will sonnen revamp his game plan to include better submission defense? or will silva’s game plan be revamped to include better take down defense?
by john_richmond_martin on Aug 8, 2010 1:31 AM EDT reply actions
Sonnen has been subbed like 371 times in his career, gettin a little late in the day for that, I think.
tit for tat
but how many times has silva been man handled for 4.5 rounds before being submitted?
by john_richmond_martin on Aug 8, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Neither guy will change, if they havent addressed their weaknesses by now (Sub and TD Def), it aint gonna happen now. However, the question is, will Silva come out more aggressive and catch Chael early? He rocked him several times before the TDs.
Chael rocked Silva as well and was man handling him for a while. I’d like to see an immediate rematch.
what about vitor!?
yeah a rematch is the only fight that makes sense.
by john_richmond_martin on Aug 8, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that a rematch is what I’d like to see most. How can you not give a fighter a rematch who came within minutes of beating one of the p4p best 5 rounds to none?
Great stuff Snowden
shudders feels a bit weird complimenting your work. :)
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by RobertGBP on Aug 8, 2010 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Up?
Jones will do bad, bad things to him.
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by Ubernoober on Aug 8, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If he goes up, it’s going to be higher than Jones is.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That was like old-school UFC: Royce Gracie gets smooshed by a wrestler for the better part of a half hour, then pulls out a sub from his back. This is what makes the sport great!
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by AJB on Aug 8, 2010 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
My prediction, 3 days ago,
3) Chael wins by hug and slug for 25 minutes. Spontaneous celebrations erupt throughout the world. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad steps down as president of Iran to farm yams and play the bongos. Shammy and Chuck retire. Brock Lesnar marches in the San Francisco Pride parade holding hands with Frank Mur. Randy Couture gets married and stays married until he dies at the age of 157. Johnathan Snowden hits the nail on the head in his post event article.Probability: 3.1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510
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Well shit. Got something right.
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by Ubernoober on Aug 8, 2010 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Wow, i’m almost speechless from day one i’ve said that Sonnen was going to beat Anderson. Time in and time out I defended Sonnen and stood by him when everyone and their mother tried to shit on him. I told you that he would expose Silva and basically guaranteed it and just like that I went from one of the greatest moments in my mma fandom. To one of the most crushing and heartbreaking losses i’ve ever seen since i’ve been a fan of mma.
But hey i’m a man of my word, I said that if Silva could pull it off i’d give him all the props in the world. Here you go Anderson congratulations you proved why you get so much hype and praise. You surprised me with that last submission because I thought you have been broken but you are the man at 186 no doubt about it consider my crow eaten.
As far as Sonnne goes i’ll go into it much later but right now all i’ll say is that you went out on your shield and you showed everyone that doubted you and your fans that you are legit. All I can say as a fan is that i’m sorry because I know this meant more to you than anyone can ever know and it’s a shame that sometimes we can’t keep our promises.
To the haters, you can find every excuse and reasoning to continues to bash Chael, your guy won congratulations. But deep down you saw what I saw, a guy that took Silva to levels nobody has ever taken him and that for all the shit he talked he backed up almost every word.
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I did see all that. I also saw a guy who attempted the Filho “fake tap” trick yet again, so while it was certainly a fantastic effort from Sonnen, lets not get carried away, John Wayne he aint.
by Hutchy on Aug 8, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who the hell said he was?, and btw Sonnen never tapped to Filho in their first fight why people keep throwing out this bs is beyond me. Tonight Chael tapped it was clear maybe he just couldn’t believe it hell I actually thought he tapped before the ref stepped in who knows what his mind was going through in those moments. But when he sees the tape he’ll see what happened he tapped, unlike the Filho fight which Rosenthal fucked up on this time there was no question.
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Sonnen never tapped to Filho in their first fight
Yes. He clearly did.
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no he clearly didn’t, Rosenthal blew it.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You're delusional
I seriously can’t believe anyone honestly can say this.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
nothing delusional about a guy stopping a fight when a guy hasn’t tapped in anyway, people seriously are blinded when it comes to this there is no debate about what happened in that fight.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The ref doesn’t have to wait for a tap if the fighter’s safety is at risk. Chael was crying out in pain and Filho still cranking. Rosenthal stepped in to prevent Chael from getting injured any worse than he already was.
Chael needs to work on his Gracie face if he wants the chance to ride out locked in submissions. You didn’t hear Renzo screaming when Sakuraba broke his arm or Royce screaming when Hughes was cranking on his arm. Hell, they barely even winced at the pain. If Chael wants the benefit of the doubt from the ref when he is stuck in a submission, he needs to be a lot more stoic.
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Good post.
I felt the same way. I loved the articles written by Leland Roling and a few of the other writers on the site who made it sound absolutely ridiculous that Chael could win. Talking about his “horrible striking” and everything else. Hell, there was even an article that talked about who Anderson would fight next. But, whatever.
Chael proved he was a worthy contender, despite the hate. Anderson threw out an excuse, just as Chael did at the end of the fight. At the end of the day, other than the Jon Fitch fight, it was a great night of fights, so I could sit here and bitch about all of the disrespect that had been bandied about (which I just did) or I could just be happy for a great night of fights.
This was an awesome card. Anyone who complains about the UFC and Dana White just can’t be placated or pleased. They put together a helluva card and I am thankful!
Thanks Dana, Anderson, Chael, and co.!
They win EVERY night!
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Waiting for the haters to trash Anderson because his post fight interview wasn't in English
Because that’s what matters at the end of the day. The post fight interview language.
pretty bummed that was when the boo’s started.
also bummed at the USA chants
by john_richmond_martin on Aug 8, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I could care less.
The chants are always going to be there and people can bitch about them day in and day out. People get pumped up and start cheering. They were all for Anderson up until he looked like a human being and wasn’t dancing around like an idiot.
I'm speechless
Well, almost. All I can say is AMAZING! I picked Chael to win it and was wanting Silva to win. My mind is reeling.
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chael was fairly classy at the post fight presser
great one liners.
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 1:59 AM EDT reply actions
i love how he asked for TUF with him and anderson
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by Thats It For you! on Aug 8, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
silva/sonnen
it ain’t over til the fat lady sings,and silva prove that tonight.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Aug 8, 2010 2:04 AM EDT reply actions
His one liners at the post fight press conference
Were actually funnier and better than anything he said prefight.
I hope somehow these guys DO end up as coaches on the Ultimate Fighter. That would be insane!
No matter what people say about Chael, he was masterful tonight. Great showing by everyone except Rosenthal, who almost fucked everything up at the end.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 8, 2010 2:06 AM EDT reply actions
You mean you're not disappointed by anyone here?
Thank God Herb Dean didn’t ref that fight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I would like to point out
That’s Silva’s chin is amazing- I don’t thing any of Sonnen’s punches on the ground phazed him at all.
None of Sonnen's punches on the ground phase anybody.
He just hopes constantly putting a fist in his opponent’s face will distract them enough to prevent any sub attempts. You see how that’s been working out for him.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 8, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He landed some bombs when he postured up
Those would have had some kind of effect on another fighter, Silva looked like he didn’t even notice he was getting hit.
Sounds like you have a cool wife.
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Jon, your wife sounds almost word for word like mine did when Lesnar choked Carwin. She’s Lesnar’s biggest fan (and she never even knew he was a pro wrestler, I think she’s entranced by the penis tatoo). And she’s tiny as hell as well, if they can freak out over MMA, I’m convinced that the sport can be loved by anyone.
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by MMA42 on Aug 8, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I realize that 185 was a muddled division at the time
but it sucks that Dana promised Vitor a MW title fight after he won a catchweight bout at 195. Again, I understand why he did it, but Belfort/Silva doesnt have the appeal of Sonnen/Silva II right now.
Sucks for Vitor if they go with the rematch.
I think an immediate re-match is silly
I get it if it’s a bunk decision, but not when a guy gets finished. Work your way back up.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
Very little in comparison to others in the division.
Indeed, it seems like most of the push for Belfort comes from him being a big free agent signing, expected to make a splash in the division.
Belfort doesn’t even have a win at 185 since his return. How about he actually earn his way to a shot at the champion. Crazy idea, I know.
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by a tommy point on Aug 8, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly I argued and no one cared when I said Marquardt deserved the title shot over Belfort because it seemed like everyone came out of the woodwork to say that Belfort/Silva would get more buys well there is no way that Belfort can outsell a rematch with Sonnen on top of that Sonnen has actually earned the shot I mean really who can complain about it
I'm not saying Vitor deserves it
but he deserves a shot more than a guy coming off a loss.
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I agree
Except for bunk finishes like the Danzig/Wiman fight and high stakes (re: championship fights) tossup decisions, let clear losers get behind others in line.
If Silva has a prolonged recovery, Vitor/Sonnen makes a ton of sense
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 8, 2010 2:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree…but still more interested to see Silva vs Sonnen 2.
P.S. We now know Chael can give and take a punch. Maybe he needs a bjj coach?
by magneto on Aug 8, 2010 2:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't.
I think he deserves a rematch. Say what you will but Sonnen could have played it safe and won. Sonnen is the #2 Middleweight without a doubt. I would love to see Sonnen destroy Belfort. It would look like Randy/Vitor all over again but worse.
Vitor has no chance against Silva.
Sonnen won all 4 rounds and was winning the fifth, there is no working your way up when you do that.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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A rematch is definitely in order a rematch sells itself and with the way Sonnen can hype a fight it makes sense to do it right away
I like rematches for controversial decisions. This was a clear finish. If they give a rematch I wouldn’t be upset it was a crazy ass fight who wouldn’t want to see that again but I would like to see Vitor Belfort get his chance.
Ehh, give Belfort a fight with Marquardt
I need to see this rematch
who do you want him to fight a rematch with Maia is the only thing he would have left in the middleweight division and it really could take all the steam out of a rematch
Okami
Belcher. Wand.
There are tons of guys not coming off a loss. Thinking about Maia, how about Sonnen gets by HIM first before getting another title shot.
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Maia/Sonnen
Perfect built-in storyline of Sonnen trying to avoid being submitted
Exactly
Maia gave him a recent loss. Both have lost to Anderson. Both are working their way back up. Chael needs to improve his sub defense.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
Belcher would be the only one on that list that would even semi make sense, Sonnen got caught in a fight he was dominating he was 2 and half minutes from becoming the new champ and gave anderson the most competitive fight he’s had in the UFC I say he deserves the rematch but I’ll watch Sonnen/Belcher/Wand I mean the guy really did just turn the middleweight division on it’s head and reaffirmed something I’ve been saying that the middleweight division is an exciting and competitive division
Wand makes sense. Okami makes sense. Sonnen doesn’t, he got finished.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
Wand has one fight at Middleweight against Bisping Okami has two wins against guys who are nowhere near being contenders
Notice how they have wins in their last fights?
Sonnen has a loss.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
It should
but actually winning fights means more than losing them.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
hahaha in that case Jorge Rivera deserves the next title shot he’s got as many wins in a row as Wand and Okami combined
well by your logic number of wins should get you a title shot regardless of the ass beating you were shilling that no other MW contender has been able to do
nice job in ignoring how he dominated the fight up until the fifth, Sonnen is the line everyone else needs to get to him.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not ignoring anything
He got his chance. He got finished. He has to work his way back up. He got tooled by Maia, a re-match with him makes sense.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
you clearly are ignoring it, the fact is he’s already worked his way up and if anything is standing eye to eye at the top of the MW mountain. Maia is irrelevant to this conversation.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He worked his way up
and lost. Not just lost, he got finished. So no, he isn’t standing “eye to eye”. He isn’t as good as Anderson, he admitted it himself tonight. Maia beat Chael, so yea, he is extremely relevant to the discussion.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
He got finished after dominating the undefeated champion for 23 minutes, there is no one else in his lane except for Anderson not Maia not Vitor just Chael.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Elbows...
Great fight! I would have loved to see Silva throw massive elbows from the guard tonight. Sonnen would have started bleeding much earlier and it wouldn’t have gone to the bottom of the 9th.
You wanted this fight to be like Lewis/Klitschko?
no thanks, amigo
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 8, 2010 2:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gonna have to start posting "I told you so" in every thread
Been defending Chael all week
i've been defending chael all week
and saying i wanted him to win
i also said over and over again that if chael is going to lose it will be by submission and i got reemed with comments about how chael would get knocked out coming in on the shot.
true story
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Did he also predict that Sonnen would dominate Silva for 4 and a half rounds?, because if he didn’t than he doesn’t.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
i said
that if chael loses he’ll lose by submission
but that anderson would know he was in a fight for the first time in the ufc when it was all said and done
check and checkmate
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
but in all fairness
i did have chael to win
so i was wrong
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
my prediction
anderson will never be the same again
he’ll retire before taking another fight
or chael will fight him again and win then silva will retire
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 3:32 AM EDT reply actions
I picked the main card correctly
like some other people, but NO ONE was even close to picking those crazy finishes, except the Fitch fight.
So... quick question in regards to Jon Fitch...
…I’m not a fan by any means and I totally agree that he is generally “food/restroom/smoke break Fitch” but I thought this fight was entertaining. I mean, the first round especially was high level action. The second slowed a bit but at many points Alves literally handed him his back in such a way as to prevent Fitch from doing anything with it. The tired and gassed Alves gave him his back and no room for Fitch to strike. So Fitch goes for a sub, and actually used some GnP in the first and third.
I’m just saying, I see all the comments of that being this boring ass fight but I didn’t see that tonight.
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