UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen Post-Fight Recap and Analysis
by Mike Fagan on Aug 8, 2010 2:17 AM EDT
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-OK, what is up with Chael Sonnen and tapping? Does he have some irrational fear of losing limbs? Is he always trying to game the system? I don't get it. He clearly tapped in a way so as to cause the most confusion. I sat deathly afraid we were in for some sort of Tapgate 2010. Thank goodness the replay was clear.
-It's amazing that Chael Sonnen still hasn't figured out that whole "submission thing" yet.
-That said, Chael Sonnen put on a fantastic performance. How hurt was Silva in the first round? Did that effect him the rest of the fight? Either way, Sonnen did exactly what he said he was going to do. He went out, took the fight to Anderson Silva, and beat him up. That's the kind of equalizer that world class wrestling brings.
-Why didn't Sonnen ease up in round five though? Chael was well ahead on the scorecards and arguably won a 10-8 or two. He doesn't have to get on his bike necessarily, but why put yourself in a position for Silva to finish the fight? Sit in guard and play defense. If the referee stands you back up, take Silva back down. Rinse and repeat until you have the middleweight title around your waist.
-Now, for Anderson Silva. Stop trying to wrap a guy up and get the referee to stand you up. It never worked for Wanderlei Silva, and it won't work for you. Fighters cannot rely on the referee interfering, especially when the guy on top stays as active as Sonnen.
-For twenty-plus minutes, I thought my epic Silva-GSP superfight articles just lost all their worth. Chael Sonnen walks through Anderson Silva and a fight with St-Pierre loses all its luster. Then Chael Sonnen is Chael Sonnen and those articles are even more relevant! Georges St-Pierre is a smaller, but better Chael Sonnen. You still don't want to see that fight?
Rest of the card after the jump.
-Can the UFC give Jon Fitch some sort of Second Best Welterweight title? Unless St-Pierre makes the jump up to 185, I'm afraid Fitch will always play second fiddle at 170.
-It's going to be very interesting to see what happens with Thiago Alves. The UFC hasn't been shy about "suggesting" a guy change weight class. If Alves continues to try and fight at welterweight, he's going to be forever haunted by his weight cutting failures. Still, he's short for middleweight and won't enjoy the size advantage that has carried him at welterweight.
-Disappointing finish to the dos Anjos/Guida fight. It looked like Guida was on pace for the typical Guida decision (lose the first round, wrestle away the last two), and then dos Anjos' jaw gives out on him. I'm curious when the break or fracture occurred. Rogan pointed out a punch in the first round, but I'm wondering if it took place during one of the takedowns.
-I thought Matt Hughes looked awful up until the finish. He looked tentative and old. Frankly, he looked like he wanted to be anywhere else but the Octagon. If the left hook knock down wasn't impressive enough, Hughes showed off his very impressive grappling skills. Modified arm triangle from front head lock? Awesome.
-Not sure where Almeida goes from here. Losing to Matt Hughes isn't a career killer, but this is a pretty big setback.
-Roy Nelson decided to invoke the Homer Simpson strategy. Get hit a bunch until your opponent tires out so you can push him over for the win. Unfortunately, this was a three round fight and Dos Santos escaped with a victory.
-"Cigano" looked very good. Was it disappointing he didn't finish? Perhaps, but Roy Nelson is tough. He showed that he can go at a solid pace for three rounds. Still, I don't think JDS has a chance against the big boy wrestlers like Cain Velasquez and Brock Lesnar.
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I got a text from a friend
saying the fight was a work. I lol’d and clearly think he’s wrong, but there’s still that 1% in my mind that will always wonder. Such an amazing night and great fights. 116 and 117 best back-to-back cards ever?
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uh oh smash
he’s movin in on my territory
look i had chael to win………chael didn’t win but anderson got humbled anderson got beat up for five rounds. i’m happy
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget 115
3 amazing cards in a row.
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by Goonisis on Aug 8, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
damn right
115, 116 and 117 might be the best 3 UFC events in a row of all time
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by Brian Hemminger on Aug 8, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
meh
115 was OK. Nothing special to me though
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 8, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope you smack your friend for such a stupid text.
by pud333 on Aug 8, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You gotta be joking.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
by SSreporters on Aug 8, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Where is the BE banhammer when you need it?
by pud333 on Aug 8, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
GTFO Kind Sir, and take your FAIL with you!
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Aug 8, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I'm just trying to get another reply rec'd
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by II SMASH II on Aug 8, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
You know whats fixed?
This turning green.
Driving the Chael Sonnen hype train, here's to hoping we don't get derailed by 4/5 of the way to the next station!
by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 8, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
This is the only way to make sure.
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by ludakrish on Aug 8, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Funny I can already see the talking points from people who gave Sonnen no shot and have gone out of their way to crap on him. Instead of praising Silva for pulling something out of his bag of tricks that he’s never really shown and giving props to Sonnen for pure and utter domination of the so called p4p king.
Now Sonnen still sucks because he couldn’t evade a submision 4 and a half rounds into a championship fight. What a joke, seriously why is it so hard to give out credit and drop the talking points for a day.
I could go on here and make every excuse and justification for Sonnen but you don’t see that from me why because in the end. I respect the fighters even the one’s I despise like Anderson, I give props to because I don’t ever let my personal bs get in the way of how I breakdown fights I just wish more people did the same.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 1:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So now your are humble and everyone should act accordingly? You are the same guy that said “I wish I bet because Chael would make me a lot of money” before the fight. Get out of the back seat of the Carwin smug moblie.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
When the hell did I ever claim to be humble?, stop projecting and read what I wrote.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
“That said, Chael Sonnen put on a fantastic performance.”
How about you read instead of projecting your thoughts onto what I actually wrote.
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I read every word, you posted, funny how you quote the third part of your thoughts on Chael and not the first two where you basically mocked Sonnen and dismissed his peformance. Then gave him a pat on the back, like yeah Chael you suck because you can’t stop a very well executed submission attempt from the MW champion but you fught well nice job buddy. It comes off are incensire and ridiculous considering all the bs said on here against Chael, silly me I actually thought that the first thoughts after the fight would be giving a guy his due just like I did to Silva. Not because i’m humble or whatever other bs people are saying but because he deserves it, you give a guy due when he earns it and Sonnen did just that.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud, you need to take a break.
I totally understand your roller coaster ride tonight, but getting in angry little fights because of it at this hour is unnecessary.
Get some sleep and come back full of piss and vinegar in the morning.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
this is actually good advise, i’m sick, i’m tired and i’m pretty pissed off so i’m done.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you mean where I discussed the two biggest talking points of the fight (Chael’s quick tap and him falling into a submission late into a dominating performance) at the top of my recap? The nerve!
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We should all praise Rosenthal again.
In the 5th right before the sub, the action had slowed down, and the crowd was booing and a lot of refs would have stood it up right there. Had that happened, Sonnen most likely would have won,
Still, I don’t think JDS has a chance against the big boy wrestlers like Cain Velasquez and Brock Lesnar.
Gotta agree with you here mike.
And I like the idea of a 2nd best title, that would be hilarious!
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I feel you
Your reactions mirror my own.
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whoops
meant to link to my fanpost, which offers several similar talking points as well as addressing why Chael didn’t lay off in Round 5, the way Aldo did vs. Faber.
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this chick actually just told me she thinks the fight was fixed
im gonna go smoke like 4 cigarettes right now
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 8, 2010 1:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ha one of these dudes I used to work with had this thing he called "the dragon"
It was basically a wood block with 6 holes drilled into it, 1 he smoked with, the other 5 were for cigarettes
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awesome
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 8, 2010 2:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was joking around about the fight being fixed about half-way through. I am surprised so many others thought of this as well.
Of course, the idea of this outcome being pre-determined is absurd.
Johnny Ringo: [Ringo steps up to Doc] And you must be Doc Holliday.
Doc Holliday: That's the rumor.
Johnny Ringo: You retired too?
Doc Holliday: Not me. I'm in my prime.
In the first round I thought that Silva is taking a dive. He looked nonchalant, got hit in the face and appered like he doesn’t give a shit. I thought that it’s a one big joke, especially with Segal in his corner…
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it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we please not lower ourselves to conspiracy theories?
The fight wasn’t fixed. Chael has nothing to gain by throwing the fight. Trust me, dude is kicking himself right now.
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by thetakeover on Aug 8, 2010 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
did someone page me?
i’m the king of “that fight was fixed” theories
my guy didn’t even win and i could still say that fight wasNOT fixed
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I got what I wanted
Silva damn near lost but he came out on top so im good
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Got the Spirtir Molecule yesterday thanks again for the rec. As a McKenna fan I am disappointed I didn’t know about it earlier.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Spirit*
Oh yeah check out this three part documentary called the Technocalyps
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Tthere are whole bunch of “paradigm tributaries” it opens up, also if you ever get the chance the Jumping Jesus theory and Terence McKenna’s Timewave Zero and points of novelty will give you hours of reading and viewing material.
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
hell yeah man
it’s friggin awesome
here’s a lil spirit molecule clip
good stuff
i agree smash good fight
i wanted chael to win but who could be upset after a performance like that by two top notch guys.
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
SICK TRIANGLE!
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Sonnen must have lost track of time
otherwise why do you tap here? Fight until the end or go limp. So fucking close. . .
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
someone
needs to photoshop chael’s face in that clown picture that states “fuckin’ triangles, how do they work?”
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Aug 8, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he had a dirty move in round 2
Touch the gloves and leg kick
all im gonna say is
chael/vitor
thiago/rumble at 185
fitch/ kammpann/shields winner
nelson/carwin
guida/sotoropulus
by malito3og3 on Aug 8, 2010 2:02 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Vitor vs. Anderson
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
almost agree w/ all
except it should be Gomi/Sotiropoulis
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by Brian Hemminger on Aug 8, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Guida is a step down for Sot but I agree with the rest.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
A) Use the reply button.
B) Implying any kind of “fix” in what was clearly one of the flat-out greatest performances in MMA in a loooong time pisses on everyone else’s good time. You should expect hostility for posting that.
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by AJB on Aug 8, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Peddle conspiracy theories elsewhere
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by thetakeover on Aug 8, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
once again
i’m the king of “that fight was fixed”
i get it man
as the resident conspiracy theorist i gotta say that fight was NOT fixed
you don’t fix a fight by paying fighters you fix a fight by paying officials
every good sports conspiracy theorist knows that
it’s in the first page of the mma conspiracy theorists handbook
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Also: Fixed fights don't go to Round 5
and end in crazy subs.
If yr gonna take a dive, you’ll do it in Round 1.
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which ufc fight has the most indications of being fixed?
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Aug 8, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
oh god don't make me say it
i’m gonna keep my mouth shut man
but i got a good one i just don’t wanna be attacked again for sayin it
i learned my lesson when i got reemed anally for sayin it the first time on here
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 8, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
That fifth round is going to haunt Chael forever. Shoulda played defensive patty cake from Silva’s guard, or got on his bike Kalib Starnes style.
I don’t think it was the choke that made him tap I think it was being so close to Anderson’s wedding tackle that made him freak out
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
do tell
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 8, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It was nice knowing you
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by II SMASH II on Aug 8, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 8, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol
Have fun with it
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually
got a melody in my head with that
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
Who does Sonnen fight next?
It shouldn’t be a tune-up fight. He ought to fight a contender for a rematch with Silva. But who would that be? Certainly not Marquardt or Okami. I wouldn’t mind seeing Sonnen get a rematch with Maia, but I don’t want to risk Maia getting another shot at Silva.
Honestly, I wish they hadn’t set up that Shields-Kampmann fight. Shields-Sonnen would’ve been way better.
by flassasin24 on Aug 8, 2010 2:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Can the UFC give Jon Fitch some sort of Second Best Welterweight title? Unless St-Pierre makes the jump up to 185, I’m afraid Fitch will always play second fiddle at 170.
Because of Fitch, GSP has to stay at 170… Jon is the most boring fighter on earth.
I never thought about this
But it is so obvious.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Aug 8, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the most insane main card fight I’ve ever seen.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 8, 2010 2:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS
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Would anyone be adverse to Sonnen/Silva 2 immediate rematch?
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Yep
I’m not convinced that Silva took this fight serious at all. That or the left Chael landed in the first and the following round dominations from Sonnen had Silva off.
1148 days and counting without a Jon Fitch finsh
He said he hurt his rib a week and a half out and his doctor told him to pull out of the fight.
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Im drinkin the koolaid
Its like when MJ had the flu and went on a killing spree that night
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 8, 2010 2:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hurting your rib doesn’t make you get hit in the face and get dropped by a guy who isn’t even in the same stratosphere as you are when it comes to striking.
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That knocked down looked acted… or Silva’s age is really catching up to him.
Or he tried to impersonate Datsik:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ut5j5Iwu2s
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by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
link fail.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
It could definitely...
fuck up your mobility, which leads to getting hit easier.
Just saying.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Not only that, but it would definitely make you more hesitant to do just about anything.
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Yeah, a rib injury is gonna affect almost every upper body movement you make, that could definitely make you more prone to getting hit.
by ufc4 on Aug 8, 2010 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention breathing.
That said, we’re just relying on Anderson’s word here.
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I've got a poll on this in my fanpost
Personally, I prefer Vitor. But make your voice heard.
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Well, I think Fagan completely misses the boat on most of these fights
1st, I am baffled that no BE experts have yet thought to suggest that Silva was carrying Sonnen for 4 or so rounds. It was clear that Silva was not fighting at his best, I think we saw his version of the “rope a dope” and “Rumble in the Jungle” tonight. He gave the fans and Dana what they wanted, and pulled the trigger at the right time. Sonnen was open for subs from the bottom far before that moment in the 4th round.
Matt Hughes looks awful until the end?. I thought he looked better than he has in four years. He stayed with Almeida on the feet quite well and I thought he was edging him there, his foot work and pace were right there, and you can’t argue with a good left hook and front face lock choke that passes a guy out?.
And;
Unfortunately, this was a three round fight and Dos Santos escaped with a victory.
It really sounds like you must have been hitting the beer stand during this fight. He escaped with a victory?. This was about as dominating distance heavyweight fight as I have seen in the last several years. Is there some secret you care to tell us that would lead us to believe Nelson was going to get better after 3 rounds and JDS was going to wilt?. In fact Nelson looked about as sloppy as I have ever seen him after the 1st round. What I hope happens after this is that we stop hearing about Nelson being a world beater. I don’t think that he comes close until he loses some weight and stops coaching himself.
Talk about delusional, I know it really hurts the people drinking the Silva Jesus juice but he’s not unbeatable and you can come up with all the conspiracy theories you want but it won’t change what the world saw Sonnen do to him tonight.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I take it you did not see Ali vs Norton
And I didn’t write anything being unbeatable or conspiracies, nice try though.
actually you did, saying that Anderson carried Sonnen puts the emphasis on him and not Chael who was the one dictating the fight and controlling it until he got submitted.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 8, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That still doesn't mean conspriacy or unbeatable
And you can believe what you want to believe. I was in the Arena, and most everyone there(including fighters that train with him) did not think Anderson was trying that hard. His footwork, timing, speed, stance and sprawl were nonexistent. His defense from the bottom was lethargic and even Sonnen admitted at the press conference that he did not think he was getting a full dose of Silva. Also, I watched the replay of the 5th round twice this morning. Silva spent nearly the entire time watching the clock. He waited until the moment he was ready to end the fight and he did it with a triple submission. He also mentions at the press conference that he did that in Honor of Nogeuira(obviously referencing the Black belt in a Happy Meal insinuation).
I agree whole heartedly with this sentiment. It was an awesome performance but if you think that Silva is invincible after this you’re in a serious state of denial.
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by The Darkness on Aug 8, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, you guys all need help with your reading comprehension skills
I will never for one moment ever purport that anyone is unbeatable or invincible. Never have and never will
I didn’t say I agreed with his interpretation of what you said. I agreed with the sentiment.
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by The Darkness on Aug 8, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva did not carry Sonnen for four rounds, especially if he had a rib injury.
I’ll rewatch the Hughes fight, but he looked awful to me.
The JDS line was a joke. Did you not read the first sentence where I said Roy was implementing the Homer Simpson get punched in the face strategy?
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JDS
is lucky he didn’t pull a Duffee and get knocked out in the third round. The way he leaves his hands down and just willingly eats punches is insane.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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The fight metric report disagrees with you
It was 5-1 on punches landed. Oh yeah and 0 for 7 on the vaunted “Big Country” takedowns.
Big Country eating those uppercuts
Is a great example of why just keeping your hands, is not enough to ensure any kind of protection, especially not in MMA.
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by Drunken cutman on Aug 8, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Alves really bummed me out tonight
I realize he had the brain malformation scare earlier this year and hadn’t fought in over a year but….gahhh that was a deflating fight. Somebody here threw out Alves/Rumble at 185…I love that fight.
Jon Fitch should be named the UFC Intercontinental Champion.
by sBruce24 on Aug 8, 2010 4:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I told the people that watched MMA slightly less than me that the most exciting thing that could happen was Anderson Silva losing. I ripped it off this site I think. Would make the division fun.
I was wrong. This was the most exciting possible outcome. Silva is mortal and Chael got what he deserved (in my opinion).
I don't think the fact Anderson found that triangle changed all that much about the situation
Of course it meant he won the fight and retained his belt, but it doesn’t change the fact that he got his ass kicked for 4 1/2 rounds. I really don’t see why GSP could not be as successful at taking Silva down as Chael was, and would probably be even more successful at GnP and guard passing. The bluprint to shut Silva down is there, and I don’t think he can do much to stop it.
This wasn’t a case of great strategy. It’s not like Anderson didn’t know what Chael would do. A rematch between Silva and Sonnen would look much the same, the question is can and will Chael be more wary of submission attempts.
The unknown here is the mysterious rib injury. A rib injury can have a huge effect on everything a fighter does.
I also got the impression that Silva did not take this fight seriously in his preparation. Silva threw at least one flying knee that led to an easy takedown as well as numerous kicks, some of which led to takedowns. It was as if Silva didn’t get the memo that Sonnen is a wrestler and is going to try to take you down.
I’m never one for conspiracies and I don’t actually believe a fix was in, but there was just so much weirdness in that fight… Silva in round 1 looked like he didn’t come to fight at all; between getting apparently dazed by standing strikes from Sonnen (seriously, when has Sonnen dazed ANYONE standing) to getting taken down with ease and ragdolled enough for a judge to actually award a 10-8 round to Sonnen. I remember thinking to myself during round 1 that Silva wanted to lose the fight.
Sonnen does what he always does, he has world class wrestling coupled with holes in his BJJ defense, but he did impress me with his striking.
If Silva wasn’t suffering from a MAJOR rib injury, this fight showed us that GSP, Vitor, Evans, Machida, Shogun or Jon Jones should all be favored going up against Silva.
He didnt have his best night....
But….
If Silva wasn’t suffering from a MAJOR rib injury, this fight showed us that GSP, Vitor, Evans, Machida, Shogun or Jon Jones should all be favored going up against Silva.
Thats silly.
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I agree with your last statement. Who knows about the injury, every other fighter in every fight has an excuse it seems.
I find it very hard to believe Anderson didn’t know what Chael brings to the cage and take his wrestling seriously. I just think Anderson had no answer for his takedowns.
by Anton Chigurh on Aug 8, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Georges St-Pierre is a smaller, but better Chael Sonnen. You still don’t want to see that fight?
No. I want to see Chael vs GSP. That would be a war that makes last night’s fight look like a snooze fest. I don’t think GSP is better than Chael. I think Chael and GSP are about even. And I think that would be a sick fight.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
I want to see Chael vs Bisping on a UK card, just for the trash-talk
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“I don’t think GSP is better than Chael. I think Chael and GSP are about even.”
Yeah, that GSP has been caught by 9,000 armbars in his career…
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Exactly.
He got caught in one and did something that Sonnen apparently doesn’t know how to do. He learned from it.
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And what he gives up in submissions
He makes up for in wrestling. Chael’s wrestling is better. Oh I know, GSP is the ultimate wrestler… Chael is a silver medalist. That’s pretty impressive. Chael is destroying people with his wrestling. He’s been wrestling much, much longer than GSP and he knows wrestling subtleties and nuances GSP just can’t know. And in toughness? Chael is one tough dude.
I think they’d be pretty evenly matched.
There are only two fighters in the world who might be able to defeat Jon Jones: Ken and Ryu.
Are you being serious?
You actually think Chael Sonnen is just as good as Georges St. Pierre? Just because he did what he did last night? He outwrestled a notoriously bad wrestler who had bad ribs. Oh and you must have forgot that part where he didn’t finish his dominating performance and got submitted. Chael Sonnen is no Georges St. Pierre.
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GSP is better at everything Chael does. Everything. Chael is bigger than GSP by about 10 lbs on fight night. That’s about it.
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by The Darkness on Aug 8, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
JDS impressed me by having his head on straight
and not blowing himself out trying for a knock-out he wasn’t going to get. When he mixed up his attacks he sometimes seemed uncomfortable, but if his take-down defense is really as awesome as it looks he will be able to mix in front kicks and leg kicks like no one else in the division.
I can’t prove this, but it looked to me like the body shots from JDS were what really messed Roy up. So few fighters throw punches to the body, but JDS used similar attacks against the only other UFC fighter to last into the third round with him. It is a good strategy, since no one can rely on getting the KO.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Aug 8, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
I love attacks to the body and was very happy to see JDS exploit that last night.
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Agreed
They are draining enough with 8oz gloves, let alone the 4s!
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by Drunken cutman on Aug 8, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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