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Gambling Spotlight: UFC 117

This is the kind of pay-per-view the UFC should strive to put on every month. On paper, the title fight looks to be one-sided, but that's OK when you get the chance to watch Anderson Silva fight (whether he knocks clowns out in round one or clowns on clowns for five rounds). You have two very meaningful divisional bouts with title shots at stake, a nice little rivalry fight with the student trying to avenge his mentors, and what should be a high-paced lightweight bout in the middle of it all. This is what fans want to spend their money on.

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Odds provided by Best Fight Odds. Odds should update on their own.

All photos by Esther Lin for MMA Fighting.

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Anderson Silva

#1 Middleweight
UFC MW champ

vs.

Chael Sonnen

#2 Middleweight

35 Age 33
6'2" Height 6'1"
77.5" Reach 73.5"
26 - 4 - 0 Record 24 - 10 - 1
15 / 4 KO / SUB 7 / 3
Black House Camp Team Quest
W - Maia (UD)
W - Griffin (KO)
W - Leites (UD)
Last 3 W - Marquardt (UD)
W - Okami (UD)
W - Miller (UD)

BestFightOdds.com

This one's pretty easy to break down. How often can Chael Sonnen drag Anderson Silva to the mat and hold him there without finding himself trapped in a submission? I tend to think not very often. Five rounds is a long time to 1) hold Silva down, 2) avoid getting smashed in the face, and 3) avoid being submitted.

And Sonnen is notorious for his poor submission recognition. Of his ten losses (in which he beat up his opponents), seven have come by submission. Even in recent victories over Nate Marquardt and Dan Miller, Chael had to escape from multiple deep submission attempts.

The only other variable in this fight is Silva's age. Jonathan Snowden brought up the point in our predictions: fighters like Anderson Silva are susceptible to falling off a cliff at a certain age. If his speed and reflexes start slipping, you're going to see a massive fall from grace. That being said, I've seen no indications that Silva is anywhere near a physical dropoff.

At -400, we would need Anderson Silva to win 80% of the time to break even. Let's do a math experiment. Five round fights get finished roughly 77% of the time. Let's be conservative and say this one gets finished 7 out of 10 times. Let's further estimate that of those finishes, Silva will be on the winning side 90% of the time. If the fight goes to a decision, we'll be aggressive on Sonnen and give him 65% of decisions. If we do the math, we have Silva winning 73.5% of the time, not enough to put a bet on him. (It would be enough to bet on Sonnen, though.) If we change the finishing rate to 80% of the time with Silva on the right end 95% of those and Sonnen winning only 40% of the resulting decisions, we have Silva at an 84% win rate, enough to justify a bet at -400.

I tend to think the correct numbers are somewhere in between those estimates and recommend no play.

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Star-divide

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Jon Fitch

#2 Welterweight

vs.

Thiago Alves

#3 Welterweight

32 Age 26
6'0" Height 5'9"
74" Reach 70"
22 - 3 - 0, 1 NC Record 16 - 6 - 0
4 / 5 KO / SUB 10 / 1
American Kickboxing Acadmey Camp American Top Team
W - Saunders (UD)
W - Pierce (UD)
W - Thiago (UD)
Last 3 L - St-Pierre (UD)
W - Koscheck (UD)
W - Hughes (KO)

BestFightOdds.com

This is easily the most intriguing fight from a handicapping/predicting angle. Fitch mauled Alves all the way back in 2006, although Fitch would be the first one to tell you that Alves is a much improved fighter since then. He's also a much bigger fighter, pushing the very edge of the 170 pound weight limit.

Fitch, meanwhile, has really just become a more refined version of himself. His skills are a little sharper, but his gameplan is the same: pressure, takedowns, and pace.

Ultimately, the fight will be decided on Fitch's ability to stifle Alves. I'm sure many will point to Alves' fight with Josh Koscheck as evidence of his immaculate takedown defense. Now, while improved, it's important to take that fight in its context. FightMetric scored Koscheck 0 for 5 on takedowns. Koscheck's attempt in round one came right after Alves rocked him with a left hook. The "two" attempts in round two came in the same sequence. (FightMetric will score each tug or yank on a single leg as its own attempt.) In round three, the two attempts again come in the same sequence, which followed Koscheck being rocked again.

We must not forget that 1) GSP took down Alves 10 times in 12 attempts, 2) Matt Hughes took down Alves and held top control for half the round, and 3) Jon Fitch's game is much different than Koscheck's (or at least Koscheck's game in the Alves fight). Koscheck, for whatever reason, seemed content to stand with Alves at distance and shoot in from the outside. Fitch likes to get in close, smother, and work for takedowns.

With a plus number and this being a three round affair (and this is a very sad state of affairs), I like a unit play on Jon Fitch.

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Junior dos Santos

#6 Heavyweight

vs.

Roy Nelson

#18 Heavyweight

26 Age 34
6'3" Height 6'0"
77" Reach 73"
11 - 1 - 0 Record 16 - 4 - 0
8 / 3 KO / SUB 9 / 4
Black House Camp Team Country Club
W - Gonzaga (KO)
W - Yvel (KO)
W - Filipovic (SUB)
Last 3 W - Struve (KO)
W - Schaub (KO)
L - Monson (UD)

BestFightOdds.com

This is a tough fight for Roy. Dos Santos is both three inches taller and has a three inch reach advantage. With the wide target that Roy provides and Dos Santos' obvious advantages in athleticism, I'm just not sure what Nelson's going to do here. I wouldn't completely disregard some sort of trip takedown from the clinch, but I'm not sure he's going to be able to get that close. I like a strong unit or two unit play on Dos Santos below -350.

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Matt Hughes

#9 Welterweight
Former UFC WW Champ

vs.

Ricardo Almeida

#20 Welterweight

36 Age 33
5'9" Height 6'0"
73" Reach 74"
44 - 7 - 0 Record 12 - 3 - 0
15 / 19 KO / SUB 0 / 4
HIT Squad Camp Renzo Gracie Combat Team
W - Gracie (KO)
W - Serra (UD)
L - Alves (KO)
Last 3 W - Brown (SUB)
W - Grove (UD)
W - Horwich (UD)

BestFightOdds.com

Ricardo Almeida is like Matt Hughes except better at jiu jitsu and without any noticeable wrestling skill. Almeida's also (marginally) better than Hughes standing. From a strict style perspective, I like Matt Hughes a lot in this fight. He won't be in much danger of being hurt on the feet, and if the fight hits the floor, Matt's going to be the one on top. I'm very concerned about Matt's motivation, though. He's openly talked about looking forward to retiring and spending time with his daughters. His choice of which fights he takes is also very telling, though a nice contrast to Chuck Liddell's inability to self-assess. If you're on one of the books offering Matt past +160, I like a small half-unit play on Hughes.

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Silva by strangulation
Fitch by decision
Cigano by decapitation
Hughes by decision

Keep Firing, Assholes!

Truculence, Belligerence, & Pugnacity

by Ubernoober on Aug 6, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we have the same picks for the first time in history. But I have Cigano by burst spleen.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 6, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in sight with everyone else thinking that Nelson does have a chance against JDS, but it wasn’t like Nelson was dominating Schaub before he KO’ed him.

I’m way in favor of JDS, though. I think JDS puts a few on Nelsons chin and destroys him after that.

Slow Cooking! MMM-MMM GOOD!
"I Wanna Thank Joe Rogan!" - BJ Penn

by MSEMCEE on Aug 6, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

even Arianny

rippin on Chael via Twitter. I think he’s finally worn out his welcome. boos when he walked in seemed to surprise him a bit. night night Chael

by BeeTrain on Aug 6, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha what did she say?

“chael u r a dork lol!!”

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

arianny

   I understand pumping up the fight but straight crap talking is just disrespectful.“Welcome to Andersons pre retirement party”okay suuurrrre

by BeeTrain on Aug 6, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, yes, yes and yes

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Monte Fisto on Aug 6, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitch

I like the play even better with Alves missing weight.

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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z

by thetakeover on Aug 6, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Esp. against a wrestler and “grinder” like Fitch. Fitch is a smart fighter, too, and implements his gameplan well. With Alves missing weight, I can see a gas tank on E in the late 2nd to 3rd round and Fitch going to a decision but I don’t know if Fitch can actually finish him. Alves is a tough fighter to put away

Slow Cooking! MMM-MMM GOOD!
"I Wanna Thank Joe Rogan!" - BJ Penn

by MSEMCEE on Aug 6, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitch

is about to make me rich

by BeeTrain on Aug 6, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re really underestimating Almeida’s wrestling. I’m with you everywhere else though.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Aug 6, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe. I don’t think it’s that good. He won’t take Hughes down though.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 6, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he can use it to keep Matt upright though, because Hughes is shot. And as bad is Big Dog is standing, he’s still miles ahead of Matt.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Aug 7, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Almeida is a takedown machine..

And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.

by James Brady on Aug 7, 2010 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

5 of 11 against Matt Brown, 5 of 14 against Kendall Grove, 9 of 15 against Matt Horwich, 2 for 11 against Patrick Cote, 1 for 1 against Rob Yundt.

40% success rate in fights FightMetric has tracked.

Not my definition of a machine, but whatever.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 7, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

New gambler here

What’s a unit play? Also if you place money with Bet US can you take all your funds out at anytime? Any help is GREATLY appreciated as is any feedback about the site.

Google Ron Paul!

by CaDreamer on Aug 6, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

A unit is a percentage of your bankroll. Some prefer a unit to be about 1%, more aggressive gamblers can get as high as 3%. It all depends on your level of risk aversion.

by Endymion on Aug 6, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should write an introduction to understanding gambling fanpost, would help a lot of people out.

I know it took me a bit to understand the odds, etc.

Fun to have solid info to go along with the mmaplayground betting site

by DirtyML on Aug 6, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did waaaaaaay back when I first started. I thiiink you can still find them. I can’t remember if they were regular stories or FanPosts though.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 6, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here

http://bloodyelbow.com/story/2008/2/22/19740/0430

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/story/2008/2/24/172623/367

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 7, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Anyone have any suggestions on good betting sites for Canadians? I’d use BetUS, but I can’t :(

"The common denominator of the Universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder."

"Opinionated weather forecasters telling me it's going to be a miserable day. Miserable to who? I quite like a bit of drizzle, so stick to the facts!"

"Shoot him again... his soul is still dancing!"

by Ephemeral Artery on Aug 6, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Can Canadians use Pinnacle? If so, that. Or Bodog. Or Bookmaker. Or 5Dimes.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 6, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure, but I’ll check them out.

"The common denominator of the Universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder."

"Opinionated weather forecasters telling me it's going to be a miserable day. Miserable to who? I quite like a bit of drizzle, so stick to the facts!"

"Shoot him again... his soul is still dancing!"

by Ephemeral Artery on Aug 6, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, thanks.

"The common denominator of the Universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder."

"Opinionated weather forecasters telling me it's going to be a miserable day. Miserable to who? I quite like a bit of drizzle, so stick to the facts!"

"Shoot him again... his soul is still dancing!"

by Ephemeral Artery on Aug 6, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bodog just opened up in Canada, and it’s deposit/withdrawal options suck. Pinnacle will DEFINITELY give you the best lines, but they don’t always offer all the fights. Never been able to open a 5Dimes account.

Bookmaker’s who I use. They offer all the fights, some quality props, and some okay withdrawal options.

I’m from Vancouver and been betting MMA about 3 years…that’s my side of things.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Aug 7, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matchbook

is a good one. It is a betting exchange. Very low % to the house.

by jebmak on Aug 7, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh!

After wasting my money on the last Silva fight, I vowed never to pay for another. Ever. If he puts on a great show, good for him but I’ll keep my hard earned cash and wait for something more interesting. I bought into Lesnar – Carwin and it was a good night of fights. No more Anderson Silva for me.

by bloody bill on Aug 6, 2010 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s four other really good fights you’re guaranteed to see.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 6, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is one of the few times i’m sorry I don’t bet because if I did putting money on Sonnen would be a must.

"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/

by Nightwhistler on Aug 6, 2010 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

And you'd lose that money

So you should be happy you don’t bet.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Aug 7, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering that Chael is going to win and I could use the extra money I guess i’ll have to settle for bragging rights but man it’s tempting.

"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/

by Nightwhistler on Aug 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Love this post!

This is a great article. Exactly what I am looking for!

Keep it up guys.

by Mastertofue on Aug 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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