UFC 117's Chael Sonnen Joins the Denial Parade
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 1:16 PM EDT
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PrintAriel Helwani catches up with Chael Sonnen and at the end of the video Sonnen claims he has never done an interview with Larry Pepe (host of Pro MMA Radio) and never spoke of Lance Armstrong:
Yahoo's Cagewriter blog put up this video with the audio of the Pepe interview (and a picture of Larry Pepe interviewing Sonnen):
This seems to be the new trend in fighter/media relations. Fighters give quotes or information to media and as soon as the slightest bit of heat comes back on them suddenly they claim that they never said it or the quote was taken out of context.
Take Brian Stann on MMA Nation for example. Stann claimed on Twitter that a quote posted by Luke Thomas from his interview was taken out of context. The quote in question was Stann stating that Rashad Evans would beat Jon Jones and then expanded into Rashad having more experience and Jones still being young. The quote as posted can be read here. Luke also put up the audio of the entire interview in the same post.
So what was the "context" of the quote? Taken word-for-word from the audio:
Luke Thomas: If Jon Jones has to fight Rashad Evans, who does Brian Stann pick to win?
Brian Stann: Rashad Evans.
And then Stann expanded on the experience difference and Rashad's grinding wrestling style. Exactly as Luke said in the article.
Ken Shamrock used the "out of context" shield when he got heat for his steroid comments on Fighting Words. In effect he really meant "I didn't explain myself well" but of course he had to blame someone else for his misstatement.
And, of course, anyone that follows Bloody Elbow closely knows about the situation with Shane Carwin's management providing information on his pay only to throw us under the bus when heat came back on them.
The "I never said it"/"it was taken out of context" trend is one that I'm sure most reasonable people can do without. If you say something, own up to it. If you want to correct or clarify something, do it. Just don't blame others for the words you (or your representation) provide.
[UPDATE] - Chael Sonnen on the Jim Rome show:
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I have a lot to say about this article
but I don’t want to be taken out of context.
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
by Chris Barton on Aug 5, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Don’t worry. You can always deny it later.
by HarmlessNinja on Aug 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not imposter Chael.
He is a politician. Remember. Except, he tried to lie about his Twitter account and they went after him for real estate fraud. :)
by SheepleBuster on Aug 5, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
you are right. if he was a politician
I mean a good one, he would have lied but covered his tracks. Not like denying he had that twitter account :)
by SheepleBuster on Aug 5, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i normally stay out of this stuff, but all this media about media/fighter relations is getting a little crazy
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
What do you mean? this is new video by Chael. Should the response be “oh, he said it wasn’t him. NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS!”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
i guess i’ll just continue to stay out of it, including not saying anything about my lack of interest in such matters. carry on
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Heeeeeeey
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The awesome part is having audio / video to back it up
Chael annoys me because he talks trash and then doesn’t stand by it.
Remember the Twitter account mess?
Good for calling these people out.
by cyke on Aug 5, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
uh
you act like he really believes he didnt say those things. if you have any wits about you you’d realize he’s just blowing steam up everyones asses. some people get it, some don’t. you don’t.
by nicey on Aug 5, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you act like he really believes he didnt say those things.
WTF are you talking about? He posts and says stuff just so that he can deny it later and believe he didn’t? Confused much?
If you’re just “blowing steam,” stand by what you’ve said. Some people understand integrity, you apparently have no idea what you’re talking about.
Stop being an apologist for someone else’s actions when they should take responsibility themselves.
Sonnen’s doing it because he understands this is the only way he can get any attention as a fighter. He’s working off the “there is no such thing as bad press” theory.
He posts and says stuff just so that he can deny it later and believe he didn’t?
Well, not exactly. He just denies it later because he knows it’ll get people talking. And hey, you’re talking.
Sonnen’s doing it because he understands this is the only way he can get any attention as a fighter.
Fine, he’s promoting a fight and getting attention. But when people give him the attention, he acts like it never happened. Then you say its to get people talking.
Do you see how absurd that sounds? To do stuff for attention but then deflect it when its offered. He denies it because he can’t stand by his crazy rants.
If he can distance himself from his rants, you’re clowning yourself by defending him.
Hey Chael, take responsibility.
You made a mistake now own it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, or is that not his logic?
by KAN0 on Aug 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
By his own standards he is a “fraud”.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
*cough cough* politician *cough*
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by grizzlyatoms on Aug 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
it really shows that hes a politician
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
"Denial" for Sonnen isn't the word I would use
It’d be “lying”
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
No, you got it all wrong...
That picture of me clubbing a room full of hookers was actually made from a picture of me playing raquetball…
With a room full of hookers.
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by grizzlyatoms on Aug 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but ...
I think it is incumbent upon reporters not to take the most eye-popping statement, wrench it from an hour interview, and highlight it in the headline, as if he held a press conference to make that point.
I think that is what some fighters mean by “out of context.” They thought it was an innocuous question, then it turned into the headline and it makes them look sleazy.
Now Chael, he’s just crazy.
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I don't see how
doesn’t matter if someone is making an hour long interview and for only two minutes of it say unfortunate stuff, they still said it which means they believe in it. There’s no taking out of context here…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Thats what the mainstream media does too, the headline isn’t really part of the article it is advertising to get people to read the article. A good reporter will have the whole story in the actual article or will at least have a link to the complete information. As far as the headline goes there are plenty of times in newspapers or on tv reports its the editor/producer that comes up with that and not the actual author of the interview/story.
I’m not sure what Stann was upset about, the article explained exactly what he was talking about. There was nothing wrong with that.
by who me on Aug 5, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also...
the article contained an embeded version of the audio to allow for a listen.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Interviews are an imperfect way of extracting information and opinions from people.
People don’t always mean what they say. It’s hard to articulate your true feelings or thoughts on the fly – they often come out less nuanced and confusing and sometimes just plain contradictory to what you really wanted to get across.
One of the tendencies of media is to play up sound-bites and quotations because they’re quick news. The problem with this is that putting too much weight on specific phrasing and semantics can give you a distorted picture of true intention.
This isn’t a critique of interviewers here, or anywhere else. And Chael’s situation is obviously different, as he’s painted himself into a corner with his buffoonery and he’s confused himself to a point where he doesn’t really know when to stop lying about things.
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 5, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
not hard to understand
that he is playing the media. media reports something, he denies he said it, so the media says “oh yes you did we’ve got the evidence right hurr!”. when the whole time he knows he said it (because he said it) and is making people waste their time and energy reporting and discussing it. its like everyone suddenly turned into a mongoloid once chael went on this fight hype train ride.
by nicey on Aug 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it really Chael on the radio ?
I know it’s most likely him and he’s an effin liar but honestly the voice doesn’t sound exactly like his (sure , it can be distorted by the phone) .
I believe Chael Sonnen!
No… no I don’t…
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this is why chael is gonna do so well in politics, you have to be able to lie with a completely straight face. i bet he has watched hours of tape on anderson.
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by The Omaplatapus on Aug 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
I agree.......
hell i won’t be surprised that he makes it to the presidents chair in the future……this guy is a great liar!!! And he’s making me believe he’s going to win the fight 100%.
Maybe.
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by Scott Schroeder on Aug 5, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael Sonnen wants you to want to see him get his ass kicked.
This is the only way he has come up with to sell this fight. It isn’t very creative but he is definitely getting a lot of attention.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
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I think there’s a slight difference between Chael and the other examples. Stann, Shamrock, and Carwin were all giving their honest interpretations of something and then backpedaled when they got heat for it. Chael seems to know he’s feeding total BS and denying it later is just part of the game.
Sonnen has found a way to get sites to cover the same interviews twice. There has been more attention paid to him in the last 3 months than in the entire rest of his career combined. Could be crazy or it could be genius but either way he has played the game very successfully and has sold this fight. In pro wrestling terms he has generated great heel heat.
by who me on Aug 5, 2010 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But it's not a good game...
just because we cover it is not a good thing. The idea that there is “no such thing as bad press” is…fucking wrong.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
the best example ever of how there's no such thing as bad press
the movie deep throat
that movie is the largest profitting movie of all time because of the press that surrounded it. as soon as the press and the government started attacking it
the amount of average every day people going to see it SKY ROCKETED
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 5, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No. That’s an example of a TIME where bad press helped something.
The idea that there is no such thing as bad press is not true. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t cases where bad press benefited something. But to say it is an absolute is wrong.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i see your point
but nothing draws the attention of the public like controversy
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 5, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, here's a great one close to home for MMA fans. And Brent in particular.
Hoelzer Reich. They got a shitload of press, but it was bad press. How was that good for them again?
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by pdl on Aug 5, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
good example
and point taken
it’s not alway the case that any press is good press
however more often than not
controversy draws the eyes and attention of the public
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 5, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
marilyn manson alice cooper and ozzy osborne
are also good examples of how there’s no such thing as bad press
once the shock of their actions wore off and the media and government stopped messing with them about their actions
their record sales dropped
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
a dropoff that is also closely tied to the music's quality sharply dropping off
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I don’t disagree with that, I just think what Chael’s doing is an act. And, while that act has certainly straddled or crossed the line at times, I have less of a problem with what he’s doing then with the Shamrock, Stann, Carwin examples.
Chael’s doing a poor job of selling the show/himself. But, it’s pretty clear that’s what he’s intending to do. All of this may be poorly calculated, but it’s calculated.
By contrast, the other three are refusing to stand by their honest opinions and, even worse, trying to finger MMA blogs/press as the culprits, like they’ve been somehow wronged.
The whole uber-Conservative, borderline racist, Lance Armstrong bating act might be offensive (and also a bald faced lie), but I find it more troubling that someone would try to throw a blogger or journalist under the bus for quoting them.
Chael seems to be working this from a pro wrestling angle where “in story” there is no such thing as bad press. Being loved or hated are unimportant, it’s whether people watch the show you are on that matters. Just how interested in Sonnen getting his ass kicked by Anderson Silva would people be if he wasn’t constantly spouting off about it? How many crazy quotes did we get from Sonnen before he was signed to fight Silva? His situation is very different from any of the others mentioned.
Way to much...
You are giving him way too much credit. Just because a person speaks well, do not make the mistake of thinking they are intelligent. No one wants to get caught in lies…
I know Snowden did an article talking about Sonnen selling the fight
and the hero / heel angle, but I wonder if Sonnen is going to mess up any chance or a hero ’s welcome by going too bat shit crazy. I always thought he was a douche, but he has said such outlandish things, that even some Silva haters have changed their way of thinking and now was Silva to shut him up.
which is what chael wants? he wants people to tune in to see the douchebag get shutup
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by The Omaplatapus on Aug 5, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He was pretty irrelevent before all of this too. What’s he got to lose?
by who me on Aug 5, 2010 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
People seem to forget
That this guy is NOT receiving payment based on the buy rate of this fight. So when he loses badly, all of this goes away and is for nothing. No one will care about him unless he’s facing Anderson Silva in this division and he’s marginalized himself about as much as possible without the belt
Watch Pro wraslin’. If Hulk Hogan can go from babyface to heel and back again then Chael can. That’s where he’s taking this angle from to begin with.
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I'm told that Team Quest
loves the act Cheal is putting on but recognized he went to far when he attacked St Lance Armstrong, he of the blessed testicle.
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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 5, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Cheal is going to be on Jim Rome in 30 mins. It sounds like Rome is going to take him to task on this. Tune in if you can. It should be good.
radio or tv?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
do you happen to have a listen live link?
I know I’m being lazy but working on other pieces for other sites at the same time.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Block at work
ACK!
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by Chris Barton on Aug 5, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Mentioned in the run-up to the show
http://www.tsn.ca/story/?id=329625
So Armstrong is in the firing line re. possible doping?
by VikingPhotography on Aug 5, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Just listened live to Jim Rome
Rome played the audio segment to Sonnen and he flat-out denied it was him…
?!?!?!?
by VikingPhotography on Aug 5, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael just lied his ass off.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 5, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
He’s absolutely a fucking cheater. There hasn’t been any doubt about that for a long time and Im happy to see him get his name dragged through the mud. I honestly didn’t have huge problems with Chael’s comments, I just want him to own up tot hem.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I couldn’t give two shits about Lance Armstrong, the man’s raised a lot of money for cancer, thats great for the people fighting cancer. But putting himself as the figurehead for it, I’m not a fan of. Of course, Chael looks like a complete asshat bluntly lying about this.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 5, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Lance was doping for year. Nothing wrong with Chael holding him to the fire. I do however hate the Chroll Sonnen back down from it. Just own it
Nothing wrong with that...
Only a complete tool calls out a guy in a completely different sport, out of no where, for alleged cheating. Thats like me being on TV and out of the blue saying ‘I know Kalmavet is cheating on his girlfriend’. True or not, your a tool bag for doing something like that
Technically anything can be taken "out of context" when something is cut and pasted from an interview.
So I can see the point they are trying to make, but at the end of the day, if they said it, they said it. I mean, if I said, “Lance Armstrong gave himself cancer…” I don’t know how anyone can be so naive as to think no one is going to jump on that. Sure, the intent of the wording can be skewed, but regardless how you look at it, it’s quite a controversial statement. With Stann, chosing one teammate over another, it’s kind of controversial, but Luke followed it up with Stann’s explanation, and the whole interview was available. How people chose to take the statement and run with it without listening to the whole interview is on them, not on Luke. Bottom line: if you don’t want to get in trouble for saying stuff, don’t say anything. Why do you think GSP hasn’t said one interesting thing since the second Serra fight where he started making excuses for his initial loss to Serra? As truthful as it probably was, he learned to keep his mouth shut after that. Basically, if you can’t take the heat for what you say, don’t say it.
u may all think chael is looney tunes but he is smart, he knows he is going against a smart and dangerous fighter, anything he can do to break anderson’s concentration he is going to do it, he is going to need all the help he can get, i think he has anderson tripping a little because anderson wont even say one thing back, maybe anderson is having a lack of confidence because we all know a confident anderson wages his own mental wars when he is confident, look at the demian, cote, and leites fight, that is what a confident anderson does now he is keeping quiet, chael may be a douche but he is our only hope in getting that ahole dethroned
Holy fuck.
Jim Rome just burned all over Chael. Played the audio FOR CHAEL, it sounded JUST like him, and Chael was just “That doesn’t sound anything like me, maybe some guy with a hispanic accent.”
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lmao
chael’s got huge balls
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 5, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i heard that too
hilarious. Chael’s insane but I’ll admit I’m entertained in a trainwreck kind of way
Yup, he's certainly entertaining
I’m SO looking forward to this fight :)
by VikingPhotography on Aug 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
you know Dana is just praying this fight comes before Chael says something completely insane and there is no way to sweep it under the rug. It’s like a time bomb, it’s not a matter of if but when.
i kinda disagree
i think dana’s silence about the things chaels said shows that dana is not only in support of the media attention chaels ridiculous statements are getting dana’s probably encouraging them. i wouldn’t be suprised if dana had asked him to act like a damn fool and try his best to sell this fight in anyway possible
dana isn’t one to stay silent…….and he’s been quiet as a fuckin mouse in regards to the dumb shit chael has said
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
about the stann situation
I was one of the people who asked him whether he felt he was taken out of context and he said “yeah. I never would criticize Jons skills and he’s going to be one of the p4p best in the future.”
I think Stann got pissed for 2 reasons:
A. He was coming out here with Jon to fight on the San Diego card and I’m sure he didn’t want cause any drama before his fight
B. I don’t see Stann as a quote machine anyway and that post was on the front page of BE and I don’t think Stann likes to be put the center of attention for comments like that.
I feel bad because Stann is a good guy and so is Luke. Luke wasn’t in the wrong. He was spot on in his post. I just don’t think Stann thought that was the one thing going to be taken from his MMA nation interview and then put on the front page.
by blackzag05 on Aug 5, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It wasn't the "one thing" though...
it was the headline because it involved multiple fighter’s names including the biggest guy on that next card which is a good thing for traffic. But the post also talked about dropping to MW and other skills.
Stann seems like a good guy and I don’t mean to seem like I’m shitting on him, I just thought it was really kind of lame to claim that a direct statement was “taken out of context” when it was actually presented perfectly in context.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 5, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Stann might of been getting heat for the headline too and just overreacted without actually reading the article. I thought it was a really interesting interview that made Stann look good when I read it and I didn’t see anything wrong with what was in it but someone just skimming headlines may of got the wrong idea.
I mistyped. It wasn’t just that one thing. You are right.
by blackzag05 on Aug 5, 2010 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A recap of Sonnen on Rome is up at WKR
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
The only parade Sonnen is joining is the Anderson Silva going away parade, Sunday afternoon i’ll be there hopefully the rest of BE will be there too.
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If you listen about 5-10 minutes before Sonnen makes the Armstrong comment in the Pepe interview, he talks about the infamous Jon Lane Fight magazine interview. And he says he does all this stuff to get a laugh, and that he thinks people take themselves far too seriously.
In other words…….he’s trolling. When he tells Jim Rome “that’s not me, that sounds like a guy with a Hispanic accent”, he’s not seriously dodging the question. He’s seriously trolling people. This man knows what he’s doing folks.
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Wow
Jim Rome is a superhero. That has got to be one of the more embarrassing moments in this guy’s life. And then there’s Saturday. Worst Week Ever!
Unbelievable!
How does someone deny something that is so obivous. Chael had a chance of going into this fight and gaining a lot of fans and being a “hero” since so many people are upset with Anderson. The more he talks the more people he is going to lose though. He’s just ridiculous!
Shut up, Tito.
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