UFC 117 Preview: Junior Dos Santos, Roy Nelson Battle for Shot at UFC Heavyweight Title
We normally don't see solid match-ups that have a lot of bearing at the top of the a division starting off a main card of a major UFC event, but Saturday night's heavyweight tilt between The Ultimate Figher 10 winner Roy Nelson (16-4, 2-0 UFC) and surging Brazilian knockout artist Junior Dos Santos (11-1, 5-0 UFC) would be an exception. Dos Santos is being heralded as a potential future champion as he's assaulted all challengers with crisp boxing and power. He finished off Fabricio Werdum in only one minute and twenty seconds in his debut, and he enjoyed continued success by bombing Stefan Struve, Gilbert Yvel, Gabriel Gonzaga, and Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic in later bouts.
Nelson hasn't been on the side of caution either. In two performances with the UFC, he's knocked out both Brendan Schaub and Stefan Struve in spectacular fashion. Furthermore, both battles were aired during free events on Spike TV, possibly making him somewhat of a draw with casual fans.
While I do think Roy Nelson's performances in conjunction with where they were aired had some weight as to why this match-up was created, there is a lack of legitimate contenders after Cain Velasquez and Brock Lesnar battle it out at UFC 121. Junior Dos Santos was the obvious choice, but it's apparent the UFC wants to challenge any weaknesses he may have. Nelson seems to have the perfect mix of boxing and grappling to present that challenge.
The match-up also has the importance of giving the victor a shot at the UFC heavyweight title, and it will add a bit of fuel to the fire that the winner might legitimately present a challenge to either Velasquez or Lesnar if one of these fighters can finish impressively. Questions remain with both fighters, and Saturday night could be the ultimate proving ground to answering them.
For Dos Santos, the ground game continues to be an area in which he has been relatively untested in his five-fight UFC career. While there is always the logic that we shouldn't linger on discussions of his ground game due to his solid takedown defense, he's almost assured he'll find himself in a dangerous situation on the ground in the future. Nelson, who's 265 pound frame resembles that of a truck driver, not only has the acumen to put Dos Santos in danger of being submitted, but the pounds to smother Dos Santos in technique on his way to a decision.
Nelson's striking skills have been quite formidable over the course of his career, but he's now facing what many consider to be one of the best punchers in the division. Technically, Dos Santos presents some very precise straight punching and jabbing that can frustrate opponents, and his reach only amplifies the problem of taking damage. He normally doesn't stay precise for lengthy periods of time as he likes to unload his power in the form of uppercuts and looping overhands, but the sheer power that he produces normally deters counterattacks.
Nelson will need to find a way to counter those areas of Dos Santos' attacks that are technically unsound, or work for a takedown and impose his will on Dos Santos' untested grappling skills. In any case, Nelson has options, but there is a very real possibility that Dos Santos peppers Nelson and slows him down considerably over three rounds. His very rigid stance and unfaltering will to maintain his poise in the Octagon allows him to implement his gameplan quite well. He doesn't take incredible risks, and he seems content with standing, allowing his opponent to attack, and blasting away.
With that said, I think Nelson will have to be the aggressor here, and he'll either wear himself out trying to take down Dos Santos or meet a knuckle sandwich on the way to landing jabs. In any case, I think Dos Santos secures a decision win with a precision striking game on the feet that frustrates Roy to no end.
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The first line confused me for a bit. I was like wait its on prelims??!?! Then my brain woke up and I figured out it meant starting the main card. I just woke up 1.5 minutes ago my bad
Dos Santos is a beast....
But I wouldnt count Roy out so fast. Roy is smart and might figure out a way to defeat him. Although obviously any betting man puts his money on Dos Santos…
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Plus Roy just has to protect his face...
ain’t nothing getting through that belly.
Dos Santos is a monster....
But I wouldn’t write Roy off so fast. Roy is intelligent and may find a way to beat him. Of course any man that would lay money on this fight would put his hard earned coin on Dos Santos.
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roy’s gonna get caught with a vicious punch in the 2nd and it’ll be all over from there
i wonder what weight dos santos is gonna come in at too it’d be good and beneficial to him if he packed on some more muscle and got to the 245-250 range
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Most intriguing match on the card?
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if chael didnt have the most insane shit talk ever id probably agree with u
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I’d almost agree.
After seeing Chael’s awful, absolutely awful sparring sessions, I don’t think that fight is intriguing at all.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
the fight btwn Chael/Anderson
does nothing for me either. JDS/Roy is the most compelling fight on the card IMO
call me a sucker for shit talk
but sonnen made the fight compelling in my eyes, JDS vs big country is probably the most compelling in a stylistic sense, but im really looking forward to either seeing chael put a hole in andersons face or the much more likely situation of a ko’d sonnen lying in the middle of the octagon while silva dances around
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true
but think about it this way…if Chael never said a word leading up to this fight, not many of us would give him much of a chance, if any, to beat Silva. His shit talk has literally made some of us (not me included) think that he has a better than average chance at punishing and beating Silva. it’s crazy.
I suppose I’m somewhat immune to all the chatter.
People seem to forget how horrible Sonnen was in the past. He had next to zero IQ in the submission defense department, and his stand-up is awful. Both those weaknesses could show up in this fight, and make it a lopsided drubbing.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 5, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yea sonnens been bad but he did beat the hell outta okami and marquadt
and he does deserve the title shot, while i dont think hes good enough to beat anderson his shit talk has definately made it compelling, to me at least
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Ditto.
His shit talk is like the incessant chatter from Fox News, Sarah Palin and Mr. Oxycontin Rush Limbaugh . . . keep saying it and appeal to the emotions of the people F*ck the Truth and people will believe, because they want to believe.
If grown educated women celebrate and believe in Sarah Palin’s point of view then I damn well believe Chael Sonnen has a chance to defeat Anderson Silva via TKO, submission or grind out a unanimous decision.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 5, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He did win those fights, but those two fighters aren’t exactly prime strikers or submission artists, although Marquardt can threaten.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 5, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yea and i think anderson is gonna kill him, the fight is a worse stylistic matchup for chael then it is for anderson and that point doesnt even get made
but still he has made the fight interesting to me cause now im gonna actually care when he gets his ass beat instead of thinking o ok well andersons really good
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Please tell me your joking, because if not that could be the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever posted on here. Saying that Sonnen has zero iq in the submission defense is not only wrong but ignorant, Chael doesn’t lack knowledge of defending submission he’s been prone to being too confident in his defense something that he’s fixed over the years.
And to also claim that his stand up is awful again is insane, Chael is under no delusion that he’s an average striker but his style isn’t dependant on out boxing guys. Anyone discounting that fact that Sonnen has the style and ability to work over Anderson Silva and win the belt is going to be in for a rude awakening on Saturday.
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 5, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Really because last time I checked only 1 guy had been submitted by a miracle sub and that ain’t Sonnen.
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Chael's insane trash talk >>> Chael's fighting skills
Chael’s MMA wrestling works well but the intrigue of his championship opportunity depends on his ability to secure a great percent of his takedown attempts.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 5, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Nelson has shown that he has a ceiling for success.
His lackluster training methods have prevented him from winning against pretty much any established name he’s fought except Brad Imes. When it comes to this match I think he’s going to look about the same as he did in the Arlovski fight, except he’s not even going to have the moments of dominance on the ground as Junior is bigger and more difficult to keep down than Arlovski.
JDS KO in the first or second.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 5, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
Nelson is super overrated. He’s not going to be able to take JDS down, his standup isn’t that great at all, and he gets hit a lot. That’s a recipe for disaster. JDS, TKO, 2.
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Agreed
I think Nelson is a solid mid-level fighter, but he doesn’t seem to measure up to the next level guys. In fact, I think we may see Schaub as a real contender before we ever see Nelson – he’s improving at a rapid pace, and I for one can’t wait to see how he stacks up to Gonzaga. That being said, I still believe Roy has the ability to pull it off, but I don’t find it likely. On the other hand, I’d like to see someone able to challenge JDS on the ground – and if Roy can get it there it might be a more even bout.
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by grizzlyatoms on Aug 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i think a JDS win sets up a schaub big country rematch perfectly
i dont like the whole carwin faces the loser fight, in a perfect world the ufc signs bigfoot silva or even josh barnett to sacrifice to carwin since i dont like either JDS or roys chances against carwin
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JDS has a strong chance against Carwin standing. Shane has some holes standing but his power more than makes up for it.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 5, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
he absolutely does
but a roy win against JDS more than likely means his ground game isnt up to par, and if thats the case carwin will probably just take him down and pound him out
if it stays standing though u gotta love JDS chances standing though since gonzaga stunned carwin and carwins striking isnt very technical
but my point was that i dont wanna see the loser of this fight have to fight someone as dangerous as carwin who was very very close to being the heavyweight champion
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i agree
loser of this fight should be fed a Kongo type caliber of HW – not Carwin. That could easily mean two straight defeats for the loser.
And maybe the winner could get a Mir.
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by grizzlyatoms on Aug 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
To you and BeeTrain, I say . . . I love when some fighters are thrown to the wolves. JDS does not need a tune up fight or a Kongo type caliber fighter if he loses to Nelson. Carwin vs. (Nelson or JDS) sounds exciting and thrilling. Well Carwin versus anybody is great.
Yeah, Carwin was like .09 seconds away from being the champion. The rematch will be great because both Lesnar and Carwin will be much more improved.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 5, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Carwin uses his size to bumrush Dos Santos into the clinch, work a Frank Mir-esque punching parade on his face.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin does have a knack for getting punched in the face, though. And I don’t think JDS is going to pull a Gonzaga and fuck it up if he connects. I think he has the speed and range and sense not to slug it out, and to pick Carwin apart. But you’re right, seeing them against the fence would make me very nervous.
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by Ephemeral Artery on Aug 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
JDS has solid cardio. If he could keep the fight standing, and use his footwork to avoid damage – or even just survive some GNP from Carwin – he’d probably get a swift KO in the 2nd or 3rd.
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by grizzlyatoms on Aug 5, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Carwin is better than both of those guys froma striking standpoint. Even his standing defense is better than both fighters.
I think UFC needs to give Carwin a rematch against Lesnar as they did BJ and Edgar.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
JDS is a way better technical striker than Carwin. They’re not even in the same league. They both get hit a lot. Carwin has way more power. I think if they fought, it’s Carwin’s wrestling that would make the difference, not his power.
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I agree on technical striking
What I am saying is that Carwin’s style of striking along with his strength would be better than JDS’s speed and punching proficiency.
I think Carwin would be able to do the same thing that he did against Mir by making the fight more brawling standup than boxing and positioning. I think that would be a disadvantage for JDS.
Just my two cent.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I just think JDS is a good enough boxer to stay out of range. In the clinch or against the fence, he will get mauled. But I think he can stay away from that.
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well i highly disagree with that
carwin throws bombs but his striking isnt technical at all JDS and maybe even roy have much much better striking from a technical standpoint than carwin does and if the fight between JDS/roy and carwin was a k-1 match i think carwin would get his ass beat
and carwin doesnt deserve an immediate rematch, those are saved for controversial decisions of the rua machida and bj edgar mold unless ur name is quinton jackson of course
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I think he gets an immediate rematch because I think it would be an interesting fight the second time around
Barring a unforseen defeat of Lesnar by Velasquez, I’m not really interested in seeing Brock versus the winner of JDS/Nelson. No offense to anyone who would think differently, I just don’t see a fight that would work.
But, I am open to hearing your thoughts on it. Maybe I’m completely off on that.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
JDS is in my opinion the #2 heavyweight in the ufc
and hes beaten way better fighters recently then just about anyone in the heavyweight division, (werdum, struve, yvel, cro cop, and gonzaga) this guy is so ridiculously underrated still he definately deserves a title shot
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I do agree that he is underrated.
But, so is Nelson…
… Which is why I think this fight is an intriguing one.
I think most people believe JDS is going to mow through Nelson, but I think that will be a really good fight that could be bad for JDS if he goes to the ground with a bigger NElson.
On feet, JDS has the speed and the angles and Nelson’s chin will be in question.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think JDS has a chance against Lesnar?
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
if he can keep his distance, land his punches and somehow avoid takedowns absolutely he can
his striking is way way better and if he can land a punch to stun lesnar the way carwin did hes a vicious enough finisher with great cardio that wont adrenaline dump and not get the finish
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That's a lot of "if's"
That’s why I just don’t believe that is a good fight.
Even if he gets a punch to stun Lesnar as Carwin did…
… Lesnar still survived. And that was a VICIOUS barrage of punches.
I like Cigano, but I just see the fight versus an “improved” Lesnar (via the submission of Carwin) not favoring him in any fashion.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
THERE was a STRONG chance of the referee stopping that fight. There was something incredibly physically wrong with Carwin in the 2nd round because he was obviously able to stop the take downs in the 1st round.
JDS vs Lesnar would be great but something tells me it may be JDS or Nelson vs Cain Velasquez.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 5, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that there was a chance, but...
… I don’t think Lesnar was close to losing consciousness or unable to defend himself. He certainly was pinned to a point where he couldn’t do nothing but cover up and hope Carwin has an “adrenaline dump”, but he wasn’t at a lost of where he was.
I agree that Carwin was physically fatigued (for whatever reason works for you) and I think a second fight would be interesting knowing what he knows now.
I think you are right about JDS vs Cain
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
thats why they dont fight on paper
JDS is the most deserving challenger to brock right now especially if he wins on saturday
and while i agree that brock has more ways to win i think it’ll still be an excellent fight
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JDS, with a win Saturday, is certainly worthy of a shot (great fighter from a great camp).
I just don’t think it will be a good fight because of the many ways that Brock could win.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Like any other fighter JDS has holes, but if he works on his foot work, lateral movement and avoid Brock’s takedown attempts, he fan stop Lesnar.
The WORD is out, Lesnar does not like getting punched in the face. That’s not a good look for a fighter. It causes them to cover up too much.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 5, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about overrated. A lot to prove perhaps
… But not overrated.
I think many fans are fascinated with the fact that a guy who looks the part of an overweight Tank Abbot is capable of winning in decisive fashion against opponents who— on paper— should be able to out manuever him.
Struve should have beat Nelson, but lost pretty decisively by a guy who took control of the match. Struve had reach advantage and many thought was the better striker.
Schaub was thought to be a better fighter as well.
I like seeing Nelson’s fights because they are almost like “legitmate” freak shows. haha! It’s like you keep saying there “is no way he should be able to win”, but somehow he does.
The JDS fight should be a good one.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that he’s in this fight after 2 UFC fights shows:
a) The UFC has a lack of quality challengers;
b) Roy’s overrated.
Struve should not have beat Nelson. Struve has a reach advantage but has never, ever learned how to use it. Once he does he’ll have formidable standup. For now, he’s just long and easy to hit. People are putting more into that win than they they should be.
and who thought Schaub thought Schaub was a better fighter? Maybe based on his TV rep, some casuals might have been led to believe that. But Schaub is very young in the game and has a shit ton to learn. Roy was the favorite in both fights. Those were good wins, but certainly not enough to be in this position.
Roy’s never beat a top 25 fighter. That’s the bottom line to me. JDS is tailor-made to exploit the holes in his game. This is the easiest fight on the card to call for me.
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I respect your opinion. So, how and when do you see this fight ending?
I think it can go either way, but I’m leaning towards Nelson if it goes past 2 rds.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 5, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
JDS will work his boxing and tag Roy a few times, then Roy will try and clinch up and get it against the cage to work a takedown. He’ll fail with that, get tagged on the way out, rinse, repeat. Basically like Roy’s fight with Andrei Arlovski, minus the takedown and terrible standup. I think JDS wins by accumulation TKO in the mid-to-late 2nd round.
Obviously JDS is a mystery off his back and Roy can definitely ride out rounds on top, but I just don’t think he gets the takedown and gets set up.. Gonzaga has way better takedowns and agility than Roy and kept him down for less than a second. As for it going deep into the fight, I think JDS has the better cardio (and that’s not just because Roy’s fat). If it gets past 2 rounds, it’s because Roy has established top position for at least 1 round and probably kept it, so it’s anyone’s fight. But I don’t think it gets there.
And thanks for respecting my opinion. : )
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if it goes into round 3
you can just about guarantee that Roy is winning and will win via UD. He just has to avoid the big punch and get JDS on his back. While although JDS supposedly has sick jits, none of us have ever seen it nor do we know how it translates to MMA. for all we know, it’s shit
How can you guarantee that?
Getting him on his back is the hardest part. That’s certainly nothing to gloss over.
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my rationale is that if it gets into round three it’s more than likely due to Roy’s ability to gain top position and ride out the rounds and thus, getting win points. I just don’t see Roy withstanding 2+ rounds of getting hit by those bombs so if JDS can’t finish him early and the fight goes into the 3rd, then advantage Roy.
tl;dr
JDS KO RD 1.
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by Ephemeral Artery on Aug 5, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
I put nice money on Big Roy
But Junior is part of one of my parlays
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
You're right
Nothing but a head that doesn’t move, an iffy chin and untested cardio.
JDS, in a Bones – Matyushenko style rout.
How much have you seen of Nelson? Iffy chin and untested cardio aren’t what I’d bring up as weaknesses rather I’d almost go as far as saying both statements are completely false. During the tuf show he proved to have better cardio than most there.
Having the best cardio on TUF 10 is like being the smartest kid on the shortbus.
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by Ephemeral Artery on Aug 5, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
except with talented fighters?
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 5, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
Nelson got hosed in that fight. If the ref doesn’t stand them up, who knows what could’ve happened. Roy had dominant position and was clearly setting up for a kimora…there was no need to be stood up.
He also got hosed in the Monson fight, a fight he clearly won.
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