Brendan Schaub, Former Jason Genet Client, Signs With MC Hammer's Alchemy
by Kid Nate on Aug 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
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Some interesting tweets last night:
MCHammer MMA News !!! We are proud to announce Brendan Schaub has signed with Alchemist Mgmt. Welcome Brendan, glad to have you.
Luke Thomas replied:
MMANation It appears Jason Genet lost Brendan Schaub to Alchemist MMA. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Good luck with the SEC, Jason.
We've covered Genet's problems with the SEC here and here.
This is a trend we will see increasingly in the future as the old line of small time MMA operators are pushed aside in favor of more connected players. While MC Hammer and his partners (including Ed McMahon's step-son) are not A-list like Georges St Pierre's Creative Artists Agency, they are a considerable step up from penny stock land.
Hammer once managed Evander Holyfield to a heavyweight title, if Schaub keeps developing like he has been recently, it's not inconceivable that he could be Hammer's first MMA heavyweight champ.
UPDATE: Shane Carwin responds:
Bloodyelbow.com is a great example of what not to do. They are a cut an paste site with no real journalism. That site is anti MMA
@CapsFanJon they lack integrity and make stuff up as it goes along hoping for clicks and ignorant fans to buy into the BS from BE.
@TxDogoArgentino How can you support a site that writes stories without fact checking any of the topics? They bash fighters and profit. scum
Thanks Shane! We'd have loved to check with Jason but since he refuses to communicate with us since lying to a BE reporter on email and then suddenly changing his tune when Zuffa read our post it makes it hard to fact check. But as of today Schaub is still listed as a client on Genet's web site.
UPDATE 2 from Genet's twitter
@Bloodyelbow FYI I do not represent Schaub. He was with Shambla not Magnetic. Our site is not up to date.
Always a treat to work with professional management that are helpful and responsive.
UPDATE 3 more from Shane:
@chaddukes Chad it does matter. They should be held accountable for reporting fact over fiction. They make money off my blood and sweat
@SethPoints you questioned my opinion not the other way around. @mmanation and the rest of cut and paste bandits can have you
@SethPoints you are welcome to your opinion, just is not right. you are a mma news fan not a fan of fighters
@UFCfan621 they make stuff up, cut and paste from other news sites, and never once fact check things with me when about me.
@Chimaican72 That really is not any of my business other then they are trying to make it mma related. They are scumbags
Guess Shane didn't like my Joe Stevenson post yesterday.
Update 4: Changed the headline. Should have done it hours earlier. My bad.
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I dig it
The more talent Hammer gets the better off MMA will be, imo.
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
No way.
Hammer is a parasite, and he squandered all of the money he made from his music career. I’m sure Hammer will treat MMA with the same respect that he did hip hop music.
by Polyhedron on Aug 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
http://kevinnottingham.com/2009/06/20/mc-hammer-addresses-3rd-bass-beef-after-20-years/
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by Day Man on Aug 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the more ignorant and misinformed comments I've read
If anything, Hammer was TOO nice
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The man is a parasite.
In the early 90’s my aunt was married to a guy in a group called DRS. The had a hit song called ‘gangsta lean’. Hammer was their manager. The group sold a million records and no one ever saw a dime.
About 10 years ago, hammer staged his first come back, as a christian rapper. This was right around the time Kirk Franklin and Creed was famous with their ‘Christian’ music. The man will anything for another sniff of fame and fortune. I can’t believe no one can see how slimy this guy is.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and right after 9-11 he made a shamelessly jingoistic USA chanting song to capitalize on that situation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cka5DkTVAw&sns=em
I cringed when he premiered that video on BET back in the day.
by Polyhedron on Aug 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow...just....
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
by Tonley on Aug 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.. And by being a parasite what I meant was..
He basically tries to piggyback on any rising trends or events to make money off of them. Whether is be the Christian music thing already mentioned, 9/11 or MMA now. But thanks for the condescension, BL.
by Polyhedron on Aug 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shameless
LOL
He sounds like Mystikal in that song.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that was not too long after Mystikal's Shake That Ass song was huge too.
This is what I meant by being a parasite
by Polyhedron on Aug 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its so transparent too.
The man is draped in flags chanting USA.
The album was called ‘Active Duty’.
Slimeball motherfucker. He will literally affiliate himself with anything trendy or on the rise. Is no one else aware of this man’s past or something?
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that's slimy, but it's not parasitic.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That's smart business
Find what’s hot and get involved.
A “parasite” to me is someone who feeds off the hardwork of others. If you’re grinding yourself, you’re not a parasite. Don King is a parasite. Haven’t heard any stories about Hammer stealing money from clients or other shady transactions.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That's good business. Hahaha
The song sucks, but how is that any different than the 10108931 country music songs with the singer wearing an American flag shirt?
Or flag companies printing up 10 times more US flags?
Capitalization.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that DRS didn't sell a million albums right? Not even close.
Their single didn’t even go platinum IIRC. And they were dropped from the label.
Do you realize that most “one hit wonder” rappers don’t see a dime of their money? That has nothing to do with the manager. DRS had nothing close to the success of the single “Gangsta Lean”. Hell, they primarily got put on because of Hammer.
I’m not gonna say he’s squeaky clean, but a parasite? nah.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It was #1 for 6 weeks.
I understand the business, but he definitely had a hand in screwing them.
The dude was my uncle for a few years so I know he isn’t just making up the fact that Hammer tricked them.
But yeah, he is more slimy than parasitic. Just a shameless opportunist with a knack for jumping on bandwagons.
Cash4Gold4JesusMMA911
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The single went number one, the album never hit top 40 (IIRC)
How much money was there to be taken?
Tons of one hit wonders (who’s albums actually hit top 10) ended up with no money.
And they were on Capitol Records? Notorious for their fucking of Black artists.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I know there's no money in the record business.
I just don’t like Hammer reptilian ass.
They actually made it to #34 on the billboard 200, staying there for 15 weeks.
- on R&B charts, 17 weeks on the chart.
They did pretty well and literally made NO money, not a dime. Ever.
Two of the guys went to jail and one died. My uncle’s still around. For some reason, they’re supposedly based out of Compton, but they were from Sac. I grew up around a bunch of guys from Black Market Records. Brotha Lynch, X rated, Big Crazy(is very much big and crazy). I knew DJ Darkness very well.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant #6 on the r&b charts.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you know what number 34 on the Billboard charts amounts to in terms of money?
Hahahahahaha. Nothing.
They really didn’t do pretty well. The money in a new artist is in TOURING and shows. Now if they got bilked out of THAT money, you got a case. Sounds like they expected to make money hand over fist based on one hit song. Did they even have a followup hit?
They were probably billed as out of Compton because Gangsta Rap was REALLY starting to take off then. if they were three niggas from Sac town…hahaha, they would’ve gotten nowhere.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
What part of 'I know there's no money'....
I know they weren’t world famous but making to #34 on billboard is huge for 4 broke dudes from Sac. Especially since they weren’t put together by some record exec. At that point in time, record sales were a lot higher than they are today. Anyone being heard was selling decent records.
They literally got no money whatsoever. They were advanced some money to make a record. They sold some records, but they had to pay Capital back for production costs, publishing, marketing, videos etc. Hammer took care of everything. No one ever saw a dime. Period. After paying the expenses, there was no money left. I understand that, but Hammer took his cut of the top and ditched them. Oddly enough, the album was well-reviewed by critics and was actually
I’ll talk to my uncle directly about this. He still works in the industry. The dude isn’t dumb. He never claimed they were owed a bunch of money, all he said was Hammer got his money and bailed and no one ever saw him or the money again.
Its actually pretty condescending of you to assume that I’m so naive or disillusioned as to believe they were superstars cheated out of a bunch of money. That and the fact that you don’t actually know any of the people involved and your just making up estimates based on recollection of a one hit wonder 17 years ago.
The reason they pretended to be from Compton in 1993 is pretty obvious. Its the same reason MC motherfucking Hammer is an MMA manager in 2010.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, let's try this
How much money do you think they should’ve received?
They got an advance. That’s standard in the industry. They had to pay it back on the back end. That’s standard. They didn’t tour (really) and the album didn’t sell. They worked for Capitol Records notorious for exploiting Black artists with shitty deal.
I may not “know anyone involved” but I know the biz. What you’re getting is an admittedly onesided second hand account. You said they didn’t get a dime, but said they got an advance. For most artists, unless they go platinum plus, the advance is all they see from the album.
You say “Hammer took his cut off top”, that’s standard for a manager/agent. In MMA, the agent gets his 10% BEFORE taxed, BEFORE expenses. That’s how it works.
The reason they pretended to be from Compton in 1993 is pretty obvious. Its the same reason MC motherfucking Hammer is an MMA manager in 2010.
I agree. Too make money.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, let's try this:
I am 100% aware that there wasn’t much money left over after paying back the advance. No one ever seen the advance but Hammer, who took care of the everything. After paying the expenses and himself, he bailed on them.
I don’t know what your point is or why you keep repeating yourself. The concept is simple, its not even a debate, just you repeating the most obvious things ever. FYI- Hearing directly from someone involved is a firsthand account.
There is no argument, I think Hammer’s a shady ass slime ball. If you think Hammer’s a straight shooter, good for you. Thumbs up, Bro!
P.S. please don’t repeat some obvious bullshit that I never argued against in the first place.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Look what I found
Turns out, your recollection is really shitty.
Soundscan top 10 in sales(in millions)
1993 SINGLES
2.8 Whoomp! (There It Is) – Tag Team
1.4 I’d Do Anything For Love (But I Won’t Do That) – Meat Loaf
1.4 I Will Always Love You – Whitney Houston
1.3 Nuthin’ But A “G” Thang – Dr. Dre
1.3 Informer – Snow
1.3 Freak Me – Silk
1.3 Can’t Help Falling In Love – UB40
1.2 Dazzey Duks – Duice
1.2 All That She Wants – Ace Of Base
1.1 Gangsta Lean – DRS
http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=605266
I’m working on a better link.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You can this to cross reference some of the facts.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i hate to tell you this
but from my 5 years as a failed musician almost no one makes money from one hit single, even if it’s huge
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No, MC Hammer took your money.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
well i did buy one of his tapes in 1987
once, i’d like that six dollars back.
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How does it feel to be entirely wrong?
You just make up stuff thinking you know everything. You don’t know any of the specific details or any of the people involved. You just start throwing out shitty recollections about things you never knew, IIRC.
Turns out, they were in the top 40 albums, they did sell over a million copies of their single and you don’t understand what secondhand means.
Stop making up shit with absolutely no grounds or verification and pretending like its a fact. It makes you seem like a pompous, ignorant know-it-all.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm aware there's no money in a hit single.
I’m just saying Hammer is an opportunist slime ball that no one should trust or believe.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 5, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
Okay, maybe I’m out of the loop a bit here, but are we talking the same MC Hammer?? Y’know… baggy pants, dance crazes, moderate chart success in the 90’s???
Wow… according to Wikipedia, it would appear so.
Excuse me whilst I adjust my brain to deal with this information…
by VikingPhotography on Aug 4, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
What's the deal with the Evander Holyfield thing?
I coudln’t find anything about that on Wikipedia.
Although apparently MC Hammer financed the excellent film “Better Luck Tomorrow”. Good for him.
What I was always told is that the Hammer managing Holyfield thing is bullshit. Hammer was around but he wasn’t the one making any moves that got Holyfield to the title.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
about what?
The nicer Guy comment? Yeah, you can definitely call that sarcasm.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good stuff, Hammer’s management is legit, and thats what fighters need now, with so many seedy characters in the sport.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
Too legit
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by Worldisart on Aug 4, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
2 legit 2 quit
Hey Hey!
Just don’t move Schaub from Colorado to Oakland…
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
The man is far from legit. He’s cut out of that Eazy E/Don King cloth.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What does Eazy E have to do with Don King? E was a ladies man who died of AIDS, but I don’t recall him ever being a shady guy in the way King or other agents and managers are.
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NWA broke up over money disputes, Eazy-E was accused of taking a lot of it.. Ice Cube and MC Ren wrote most of his lyrics, etc. I’m guessing it’s that kind of stuff he’s talking about.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 4, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
He did the same to Bone.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Biggest hip hop group of all time
still doing busted ass small town shows.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
like here in Reno!
Awwwww now im a sad face!
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So will Schaub stop making excuses for Carwin now?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
Schaub will follow both Hammer and Holyfield with a meteoric rise to the highest professional heights, fortune and fame...
…then it will all be pissed away before he’s 50.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
And if Schaub works the "2 Legit, 2 Legit 2 Quit" dance with his shoulder dustoff
I will be a fan.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
I just watched that video on Youtube
I wish James Brown could throw Soul Hadoukens at me….
:(
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
if Schaub keeps developing like he has been recently, it’s not inconceivable that he could be Hammer’s first MMA heavyweight champ.
If a meteor falls to earth and kills Brock, Cain, Carwin, JDS, Nelson and probably Mir among others, then yea he might end up as champ ;)
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 4, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jason Genet got in bed with probably the biggest stock promoter ever, Jonathan Lebed. Lebed was pumping that China Energy stock up for a long time. He promotes the hell out of it and when naive people jump on in thinking they’ll get rich it drives the stock price up and he claims he was right. Then he sells off all the shares that he was compensated with to promote the stock.
Here’s a good video where he gets called out.
http://www.timothysykes.com/2010/07/jonathan-lebed-the-stock-promoter-exposed-awesome-video/
He got into "Le bed" with Lebed? Hahaha, I slay me
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t that Carwin quote was in relation to the upcoming match with Dos Santos/Roy Nelson rather than this story?
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
He’s pissed that his agent is getting shitted on.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
ah I get it… apparently nobody wrote that down for Nate to copy and paste into the post!
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
by Stanlee on Aug 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
we're a blog
we aggregate information.
It serves its purpose as a filter on information overload.
We’re like the cud chewers of the MMA internet.
But it pisses me off when people call this a cut and paste site as if we add no value. And Luke, Brent and Snowden are among the best journalists in the sport. Ask WAMMA or Hoelzer Reich about Brent’s work.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yup, Shane doesn't seem to grasp the concept if a blog.
There is enough original content like the Judo Chops to make this site worthwhile without the aggregation.
by Polyhedron on Aug 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it’s a great way to keep up with most things important that happen, because honestly no one has the time to visit all the different sites out there to check for whatever worthwhile original pieces they might have, while wading through the same stuff everyone else is reporting. Agreed though that the site has a lot of great original material too. Personally I now just keep up with BE, junkie, and middleeasy.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised Shane could finish that tweet without an Adrenaline Dump.
by Polyhedron on Aug 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 11 recs
It was when he tried to tweet a second time
that his thumbs cramped up.
But, he always nails the first tweet
Damn, Dana goes off about BE and before you know it there is Shane Carwin right behind him walking that company line…………
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that's not fair
Shane’s been waging a fearless one man battle against the scourge of Kid Nate for a while now. It’s a bummer cause I really do like the guy and he’s an awesome fighter but WTF.
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Just go full heel
and do some Shane Carwin “satire” posts.
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
i'll let Black Lesnar handle it on our sister site WKR
oh wait he already did
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by Kid Nate on Aug 4, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I totally missed that
amazing!
I really hope someone forwarded that to Carwin.
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
I just dont think he likes getting called on his own bullshit.
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe as of late
but didn’t he list you and Maggie Hendricks as two of his favorite MMA journalists not long ago?
he ranked me as the #8 best blogger on the internet
after a bunch of unknowns with no audience. I think because he doesn’t like the USAT/SBN Consensus Rankings.
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I just heard that Shane Carwin will be re-releasing the list and you have been replace by Subo.
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by RobertGBP on Aug 4, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well for what it’s worth audience size should play a big factor into whether or not you think someone is a good blogger, but with that said, look over at middle easy, do they really ever have anything substantial written? Your judo chops and (as he calls them) copy/paste/commentary is endlessly more amusing
Middleeasy is great.
They’ve broke a few news stories and Zeus is hilarious.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
I don’t trust them for news, but I do like them for entertainment.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 5, 2010 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He did rank you #8 best blogger online
I wonder what that was all about
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
nevermind
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
I remember a time not too long ago when you were one of his top ten favorite bloggers
I guess Shane was a bit sore after the coverage following the Lesnar fight.
that was him shitting on me
it was kind of like ranking Fedor or Brock at #8.
obviously.
/jk
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Just another example of “Fagan is right, everyone agrees a year later.”
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 4, 2010 7:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thus my sig line...
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Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Aug 4, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course
If you’re experiences are anything like mine, not only do they change their tune, they claim they were behind it all along…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 4, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Hammer if gona be there Saturday In the purple pants?
by SilverNBlackZach! on Aug 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
i hope i see him there…..Im bringing my “please hammer dont hurt em” CD just in case.
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean cassette right?
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 4, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome
I’ll be in 116, row 23 seat 1. Look for the big guy with a shaved head (me) sitting with a suave Mexican guy who seems to spending way too much money (not me).
BOOSH
Carwin looks like a huge tool here. It seems like people quickly forget how blogging works. And BE has MUCH more content than stories they relay from other sites. Not only is there far more content, but the quality is excellent. Will they be spot on every time? No, and people have varying opinions, no need to get your man-panties in a bunch when someone thinks Dana wastes money playing cards, and you don’t agree.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 4, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's my issue too
If this was ONLY a C/P site, I’d still follow it because it’s nice to get news in one place instead of having to visit multiple sites. Instead, I get all of that plus some great articles and an amazing community discuss MMA.
Even in the C/P the insight we get from Luke, Brent, Nate, etc. adds an insane amount to the information we get here. I don’t want to fighter bash, but Shane can f off.
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
i was one of the biggest Carwin supporters out there, but after the whole “acidosis” bullshit and his moronic anit-BE tweets, i have changed my perception of the man. The guy is a tool and its a damn shame.
Come to the darkside
Become a Black Lesnian. Hahahahaha.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
My sleep-addled brain
Thought you typed “become a Black Lesbian….”
I’m writing that one off on account of having to wake up and walk my dog at 2am….
by VikingPhotography on Aug 5, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, I’m starting to really dislike Carwin. What a little bitch. Here are some new tweets from him in the same vein:
- @UFCfan621 they make stuff up, cut and paste from other news sites, and never once fact check things with me when about me.
- @Chimaican72 That really is not any of my business other then they are trying to make it mma related. They are scumbags
@chaddukes Chad it does matter. They should be held accountable for reporting fact over fiction. They make money off my blood and sweat
@chaddukes yes see bjpenn.com for the answer. Fighters need to take the content back from BE types and empower themselves
But only 1 rounds worth
They make money off my blood and sweat
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
by Chris Barton on Aug 4, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You had it coming BE
There’s been alot of BS offensive posts here that seem to only be written for the purpose of sparking controversy and useless discussion. It’s become very sensationalist and as a fighter I’d avoid giving interviews here because of the spin that gets put on some
you act like we're being punished some how
oh my! I got tweeted! help! help!
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I know you just got tweeted by the heaviest tweeter in MMA but just let him go
eventually as the first round goes on he will fire off so many tweets in rapid succession that the tweets will lose their power and impact. Just stay busy firing back with small posts and comments and if you cover up most of his tweets will just end up being arm tweets. Once the bell rings Marty Morgan will tell you " he is exhausted! You know what it’s like to be at your desk at your engineering job and throw that many tweets at a guy!"
Then after he has tweeted himself into exhaustion, take him out for the victory.
"don’t leave him alone in a room with some angel dust and a pile of playgirls." - ufc4 on Kid Nate.
by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
ah.. the ol' homer strategy
Then after he has tweeted himself into exhaustion, take him out for the victory.
You know, Lesnar could tweet all day and not break a sweat
My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
But Carwin tweets at high altitude. There's no way he is going to run out of tweets!
by Sqwibbs on Aug 4, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Really?
And just what is that point?
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by Worldisart on Aug 4, 2010 6:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its there.
Its just hard to hear with his foot in his mouth.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea!
Damn that BE for quoting peoples quotes!
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
Too much “gotcha journalism” round these parts!
"don’t leave him alone in a room with some angel dust and a pile of playgirls." - ufc4 on Kid Nate.
by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
jesus jumped up god damn christ
Seriously, Genet and Carwin basically lied their asses off in what started this whole BE/Carwin mess but for reasons that I’m not entirely privy to we’re not releasing the full details. NOW Carwin takes a shot at us for not “fact checking” when Genet admits that Schaub was still listed on their site because they haven’t kept it up to date. There should be no more simple “fact check” then going to the management site and seeing if a guy is listed, which he was.
Please feel free to note some times where we’ve spun quotes? We’ve posted exact damn words and had people claim they haven’t said things.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I see this said about the MSM all the time by people who get caught in lies and “taken out of context”…..does that mean BE is the MSM now?? if so……Cool and congrats!!
"don’t leave him alone in a room with some angel dust and a pile of playgirls." - ufc4 on Kid Nate.
by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the emails were supposed to be confidential
and the writer doesn’t want to burn his sources so others will talk to him.
but if we have to we will.
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Yeah I love it when someone will post a quote in a writeup only for the quoted to say it was out of context and when you read or hear the whole thing it’s not the case.
by Polyhedron on Aug 4, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s what just kills me here, they are lying on their own website about representing Schaub but want to get on to you guys for not “fact checking”? That’s just pathetic of them. By fact checking does Carwin mean that the writers should somehow see through the offered up lies from the people who are supposed to give them the factual information?
"Carwin blames ref"
I believe that or something similar was a headline here. I’d say that counts as one time you’ve put a very obvious spin on someones statements.
this is true
i never said i was perfect.
i just correct myself and eat crow when i fuck up.
do you want your mma news constant and as accurate as possible or do you want to wait for tomorrow?
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Point is
BE isn’t exactly as innocent as Brent made it sound.
Honestly, even though i do wish you guys would be a little more… measured, i guess, in the way you do things, i honestly think Carwin looks like a huge douche and you guys are pretty much in the right here.
Woooo, go BE.
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Boom headshot -green me up
You asked me to name one occasion where you’ve spun quotes & I did. Now is one of those times where you should “eat crow” and rec my spot-on reply.
He did blame the ref
He said he started punching harder because he heard the ref say he was going to stop it.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Luke...drop the damn bomb on them.
Also, Bloody Elbow should pony up
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Fuck, can't edit the text.
My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
Drop this bomb!
"don’t leave him alone in a room with some angel dust and a pile of playgirls." - ufc4 on Kid Nate.
by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Damn you and your consent references to pro wrestlers!
My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
Terry Funk!
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s from three mile island…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
magic the gathering was responsible for most of my friends not getting laid in high school
but i still loved it
who is keizer soze
by Johnathan Willis on Aug 4, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was just your friends who weren’t getting laid.
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2010 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
20 sided dice have a way of cock blocking like no other
"Holy Crap Lashley is one Bi black dude. He just looks so immensely thick in that picture."
-Pain
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Talking to the lawyers now
If they greenlight us, it’s going to be checkmate.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Counting Down......................
"don’t leave him alone in a room with some angel dust and a pile of playgirls." - ufc4 on Kid Nate.
by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
plz do this.
I predict Dana White will don his Captain-Save-A-Ho cape and come to carwin’s recue. Next thing you know Dana’s gona be talking shit on BE on sportscenter lol. Im sure the web traffic will at least double.
Maybe he will bitch BE out on his next Dana Blog!
"don’t leave him alone in a room with some angel dust and a pile of playgirls." - ufc4 on Kid Nate.
by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If we need to pitch in for some legal representation put me down for ten bucks Luke, I’ll send it to your paypal right now. :)
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2010 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Things are a little tight - put me down for a dollar.
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Don't be like that, son.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
cold blooded
Ill pitch in a ten spot too!
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Please save some for me
I can’t stand that fuck
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what?
Fuck Sh (Do to the rules of this site the person I’m referring to may or may not be affiliated with mixed martial arts)
I get more rec's than a Toyota!
For discussion's sake I'm going to come to Shane's defense.
Going back to the contract story, I can see why he went out of his way to attack BE. Sure the story was accurate. Sure he and everyone knows someone leaked the numbers from his camp. And I am positive they did so on purpose because they were not happy with the amount he was getting for the fight.
But after that came out it is very likely Zuffa read him the riot act. He knows where his bread is buttered. Is he going to tell Zuffa he’s pissed then watch them play hardball and keep him in limbo for a year until he finally gets a fight on a fight night undercard, where at age 38 he can hope to sign a new contract with Strikeforce? Or is he going to tell his Zuffa employers that it was that fucking BE’s fault? That BE made all this up to create a story (and by pure circumstance the whole story ended up being accurate- what are the odds!) and that Zuffa should be pissed at them and not poor, loyal Shane.
I’ll defend shane too but i’ll take the other side of the argument that says the story wasn’t accurate and sure as hell didn’t tell the entire story. And Carwin had every right to crap on BE for it, there seems to be alot of we know bettet but can’t tell you the real story. Sorry I don’t buy that you want to reports something you better make sure you can back it up 100% when you get called out on it. I hope this doesn’t go the same way as the Carwin contract story because that becomes a bad trend and damages this place big time.
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 4, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re going to be really disappointed you wrote this if the lawyers clear us. You couldn’t possibly be more wrong.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
from my own personal experience
people will sand by their assumptions or evidence lacking theories even when the facts are slapping them in the face. Dont be surprised to have some zuffa zealots bash you guys even after you air out all of carwin and co. dirty laundry
It’s not about me, it’s about the story and if you have the so called proof about it i’ll be one of the first to step up and admit I was wrong and give you your props for it.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 4, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Shane's manager contacted Snowden
and WANTED the story written. Luke and I checked the emails and green lighted the story.
When the UFC read it, everyone changed their tune.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That is really sad.
People asked for it to be posted, they should have thought about the ramifications.
In other words, Shane and his manager used Snowden and BE to voice their discontent with how they were being treated by Zuffa, then when they got in trouble with Zuffa over it, Shane and his manager threw Snowden and BE under the bus in an attempt to save face.
Classy stuff.
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honestly
I’d be shocked if Shane is aware of the whole story.
Would you want Jason “Trust Me” Genet managing your career?
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As opposed to MC “I went bankrupt after pulling in over $30 million in one year” Hammer? Have to think about that one.
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2010 8:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Shane knows about 10% of the story, at this point. And no, I wouldn’t want Jason Genet or Show Money managing my career. If I were a fighter, I’d be very cautious of anyone managing my career or finances.
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I’d take a trustworthy guy like Monte Cox over any of those guys.
Sure, he might make the occasional retarded career choice (Sylvia vs Mercer), but at least he’s not going flat-out steal from you. Monte has been in the business forever and I can’t think of anyone who has ever had a bad word to say about their dealings with him.
I’ve heard things.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 5, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s coming to his defense?
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It's the best I can do
It looks like BE was 100% right. Or at least accurrately reported what Shane’s camp told them.
by John Nash on Aug 4, 2010 8:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't be surpised...
Shane Carwin’s tweets are going to start slowing down due to lactic acidosis.
by BrothaDarkness on Aug 4, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It is becoming very difficult to avoid fighter bashing regarding this gentleman.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Brock Lesnar is gaining new fans with each tweet.
by BrothaDarkness on Aug 4, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
hilarious
MC Hammer is very gifted when it comes to losing a fortune. Good luck Brendan Schaub
..!..
asdf
Shane used to be such a nice guy, what happened?
by DirtyML on Aug 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
BROCKLESNAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Truculence, Belligerence, & Pugnacity
by Ubernoober on Aug 4, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Turn the trolley into BROCK LESNAAAAAAR FRATE TRANE
and it’s a winner.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's odd that Shane is so hung up on reporting facts and checking sources...
…but won’t actually go on record as to what he’s upset about. He throws around a lot of opinion but refuses all requests to state what he’s upset about.
Where by odd I mean hypocritical.
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ok
i consider myself to be of at least average intelligence
but i am completely fucking lost
why is shane so upset
someone please explain it to me.
i used to really love shane but he’s really doing a great job of painting himself as a dick head. i eat sleep and drink mma as do alot of the other posters here. i also pump alot of money into the ufc machine…..as do alot of posters and BE readers. yet he has the fucking balls to call us “ignorant fans” fuck that dude
didn’t he get mad at brock for disrespecting the fans?
what a fucktard
sorry if that’s fighter bashing…………but he’s fan bashing so i think it’s warranted
who is keizer soze
by Johnathan Willis on Aug 4, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions
Shane got mad when
1) Luke posted about his manager’s SEC trouble in the first place. Luke had called it “insider trading” when it was actually a “pump and dump”. Shane got mad, asked for correction. Luke changed the post.
2) Snowden did this post after corresponding with Carwin’s camp. Luke and I saw the emails.
3) Zuffa read the post and freaked out. Snowden wrote this post. Carwin and Genet shit all over Snowden as did many of our readers.
4) I did this post. Shane freaked. I changed headline from “blames ref” to “attributes”. Genet said none of his fighters would talk to BE in future.
6) Genet paid the SEC $2.3 million and admitted no wrong doing. Just an honest mix up folks. Nothing to see here.
I wrote this post. Genet got madder. Reiterated he and his camp won’t talk to us.
7) Hammer tweets that he signed Schaub. I check Genet’s site and see schaub listed as a client and an mma junkie post calling genet his manager and do this post.
8) shit storm ensues.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 4, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
So Genet is in millions of dollars worth of trouble with the SEC, doesn’t know how much his fighter makes from a fight, doesn’t update his website when fighters ditch him and doesn’t have a cure for Lactic Acidosis. No wonder he hates you guys……….
by who me on Aug 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
bahahahahahaha!!!!
Well played sir…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 4, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
truly informative post about this ridiculousness
thanks for the clarification
who is keizer soze
by Johnathan Willis on Aug 4, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot my Shane Carwin analysis piece
Hahaha, he was not a fan of it. Here.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I just noticed you skipped number 5
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone please lay out what’s going on?
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Truculence, Belligerence, & Pugnacity
Shane’s mad at Luke, Nate, etc. for reporting about his manager being in trouble with the law even though everything they said is true.
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2010 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
o i c
thanks for the info
who is keizer soze
by Johnathan Willis on Aug 4, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's one part...
the other part was that info was reported here that Carwin and his manager claim was bullshit, however, as we’ve stated multiple times…we have the e-mail chain where the information was provided.
They’re maintaining that we report on things that are lies and don’t fact check…but…bullshit.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
which reported info
is in question? or are you at liberty to say?
who is keizer soze
by Johnathan Willis on Aug 4, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe it's the part where Shane was bitching about how much he makes at the UFC
…which was spoonfed to BE by his manager. The the UFC read what he wrote, noted that the numbers were inaccurate and asked that they retract.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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awesome
thanks for the info bro
who is keizer soze
by Johnathan Willis on Aug 4, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
we were told Shane was going to make
$40,000 for UFC 116. It was actually $50,000.
He would’ve gotten another $50,000 had he won.
The main point was that he, unlike Brock, got no % of the PPV buys. This is accurate and has never been questioned.
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Except that isn’t the whole story, Carwin wasn’t just going to make his contracted salary of 40k or 50k. He was getting taken care of just like other guys who’ve main evented big ppv’s in the past. So the fact that you or anyone reported that Shane was only going to make 40k or 50k was wrong on all counts.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole locker room bonus issue was mentioned and is well known, it also doesn’t have anything to do with the story as locker room bonuses are completely at the UFC’s discretion and are in no way guaranteed to be given. What Carwin’s manager told BE he would make when he asked that they write a story on it is the basis for the story not the fact that there are times that secret bonuses are given to fighters for big fights.
oh yeah i forgot about the whole magical locker room bonus
here’s a tip Jack, when your boss tells you he’s going to pay you in magic beans. don’t take it. the beanstalk won’t be there in the morning.
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It shouldn’t be overlooked that the UFC does take care of certain guys but it’s still just a gift from Dana White for guys he wants to take care of and not actual income. I hope guys aren’t counting on getting random large checks in the back from the UFC because they aren’t guaranteed to happen.
but it’s still just a gift from Dana White for guys he wants to take care of and not actual income
Good luck trying to sell that idea to the IRS.
It is actual income, it’s just not predictable income.
Gifts of money are taxable too, heck that rate may be higher than the income tax rate. Of course for tax purposes it’s probably reported as income but outside of tax purposes it’s pretty obvious what it is. It’s money handed out on the whim of Dana White, it’s great that they do it but it shouldn’t be counted on no one knows if they will get it or not beforehand nor do they know how much he will give them until they are handed the check.
"So the fact that you or anyone reported that Shane was only going to make 40k or 50k was wrong on all counts."
Tell that to his people that told us that. They can’t show us the contract by law. We have to take his people’s word for it. If they lie – and they lied – we’re on the hook for it.
We’re the bad guys? Not on your life. I’m going to sleep just fine tonight.
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The thing is no one should have to tell you about that, it’s common knowledge that guys in high profile fights make much more than the contracted pay. Regardless of Nate’s sarcasm when it comes to bonuses which aren’t gift they are actually earned for helping the UFC put on shows. If and it’s a big if to me, Carwin’s management was willing to alienate the UFC because they were too stupid to know how much their guy was making Shane has bigger problems than I ever imagined because he’s got idiots representing him.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 4, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If you believe a promoter
then you are an even bigger mark then anyone can ever help.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Let’s pretend this whole Carwin pay thing didn’t happen. How much do you think Carwin would have taken home in undisclosed bonuses for his performance? Half his show money? His show money? Double his show money? Well into six figures?
As long as the UFC keeps this stuff hidden, there’s no way for your or us or the media at large to comment on them. We can mention that the UFC claims they hand out extra money – and there’s nothing to the contrary, but we still have zero clue what’s being dished out (outside of the odd exception that gets leaked by Dana or one of the principals).
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Yeah, like when he paid Shogun his win bonus after the first Machida fight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 5, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this a common occurrence?
The point is that we know nothing about these bonuses outside of what Zuffa lets slip through the cracks. If the UFC wants to keep this stuff secret, it should be no surprise to them when we completely ignore these mysterious bonuses when talking about fighter compensation. Dana can’t expect to say, “I take care of these guys, trust me,” and expect everyone to fall in line.
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White purposefully keeps them a mystery
It’s part of the control
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Regardless of Nate’s sarcasm when it comes to bonuses which aren’t gift they are actually earned for helping the UFC put on shows. If and it’s a big if to me, Carwin’s management was willing to alienate the UFC because they were too stupid to know how much their guy was making
They aren’t earned or guaranteed they are given out at the whim of Dana White, it’s great that he does it but you can’t count on him doing it every time and if he doesn’t give it then you really can’t even get mad because it was never promised money for the fighters in the first place. These bonuses aren’t a system to reward fighters they are a whim of the boss who takes care of the guys he personally chooses to take care of.
Yes in this case Carwin’s managers stupid move to ask Snowden to write the article may of cost Carwin a bonus. If it pissed off Dana White then he isn’t going to write you a check and that doesn’t have anything at all to do with how he performed in the fight. Backroom bonuses are basically loyalty money, if you shut up and tow the line he’s going to take care of you and if you don’t then you will only make what is in your contract(if your lucky and they don’t just dump your ass).
Genet
failed Carwin six ways to Sunday here and you’ve nailed yet another aspect of it.
I’d like to be clear that i don’t hold any ill will toward Shane here.
He’s an artist, a martial artist, but still an artist. That’s a holy calling.
Being a carnie on the other hand is just bottom feeding, no sympathy.
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I don't know if Carwin was "in" on it, however
His response blog was so perfectly crafted in terms of a) distancing himself from the report, b) complaining about his pay while not blatantly doing so, c) showing respect to his sponsor, d) showing respect to Mr. Dana White and e) endearing himself to fans, that leads me to think this was all part of a “plan”.
Get a report out there about his shitty pay, but make sure there’s enough incorrect info to have plausible deniability. Counteract that “incorrect report” with the “truth”, a perfectly crafted response, and paint the always hated MMA media as the “bad guys”.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It was so well played that
The conspiracy theorist in me thought the same thing as I read through all of this.
Then I remembered who we were talking about here and thought the better of it.
Or, as Mark Twain so aptly put it:
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Aug 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Shane isn't that smart, but that doesn't mean a team of people couldn't do so
I mean they got SO mad in December after the story was written about his agent and the SEC, why turn back around and give up that info if not part of a plan?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
or Shane didn't write it at all
you really think Carwin writes all his own crap? the guy has a full-time job a kid and an MMA career. is he really on twitter all day?
not if he’s at all smart. pay some college kid $5/hour to tweet for him.
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I believe it is him. Honestly.
It’s not that hard to tweet or write a blog once every two weeks or so and make a few posts a week on the UG all while having a fulltime job.
If he has a “ghostwriter”, the person has been the same since he started posting on the UG as the posts all have the same gruff demeanor.
His tweets are consistent too.
His interviews in public as well are just as wooden as his tweets.
He, IMO, is the type of person who REALLY REALLY cares about his public image as “the good guy”.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
this is another myth, these bonuses are a regular occurance it’s not on a whim and Shane could count on getting a big check since others in his position have gotten the same thing.
Back room bonuses have nothing to do with loyalty, the UFC isn’t contracted to pay anything more than it says on the contract. They routinely do, Why because they respect guys who go out and perform for them whether it’s selling a fight or going balls out.
People need to stop with the conspiracy bs and actually do some real fact checking. Because how in the hell can someone who has no inside sources know more about the backroom stuff going on with the UFC than so called mma reporters? that’s crazy.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Aug 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i am just as lost as you uber
someone please explain wtf is going on
who is keizer soze
by Johnathan Willis on Aug 4, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so since this is just a copy and paste blog how are you supposed to report the truth about this story unless another site writes it first? It really doesn’t make sense to be mad at you guys, he should be mad at AOL fanhouse for not writing the truth so you guys could copy and paste it here.
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2010 6:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we are not "just a copy and paste blog"
please.
that is an insulting characterization.
We are primarily a news aggregator and filter. (you say garbage man, I say sanitation engineer).
We also do original opinion, analysis, and some reporting and interviews.
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ufc4 was making a sarcastic jab at Carwin’s faulty logic. If Carwin (or anyone else) believes that you have no original content, Carwin (and others of the same opinion) should feel more frustrated at the original sources for factual inaccuracies.
Lol, thank you. A little on edge today Nate?
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2010 7:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm just a fan man
doing this as a very time consuming hobby
it’s not fun getting shit on by one of the best fighters in the game. Carwin is a GREAT fighter and I love his work.
: (
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Like that Twibel tattoo Shane covered up!
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 4, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
From Beau Dure
“I’ve nearly 20 yrs exp, and I can say they act w/professionalism, love of sport. RT @ShaneCarwin: Bloodyelbow.com .. cut an paste, anti MMA”
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2010 6:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Beau is the man
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
Bottom line is that any good journalist will listen to your side of the story. If Shane has a problem with something written here, he should contact Luke.
Implying that the folks here are getting rich off a sport they hate … does that really bolster his argument?
by Beau Dure on Aug 4, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Kinda
I still bet money on dog fights.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm totally with you.
I was just being ridiculous, like Shane.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But to answer your question:
Of course, I’m rich. This is the internet.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, right. In a related note: I’m still the same weight I was when I ran cross-country in high school.
I had a threesome with Jessica Biel and Scarlett Johansson last night. It was ok.
by ufc4 on Aug 4, 2010 6:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I amassed my fortune as a high priced gigolo to the stars.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I'm looking to forward to This Week in Quotes on Sunday night.
My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
by RobertGBP on Aug 4, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This may be off topic by now
but apparently, Hammer has already helped destroy something I loved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM7vqqS8jSI
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
What?? you loved the street fighter movie?
that was an abomination. Hammer’s music video is exponentially better than that piece of crap
Hell Noes.
I said he helped destroy something I love.
That movie was the worst film of all time, maybe 2nd to the birth of a nation.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Birth of a Nation belongs nowhere on that kind of list...
…given it’s importance in the history of film
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
As a black person that movie was painful to sit through.
Although, at times, it was pretty comical.
The premise alone is insane. The Klan is the protagonist. He did get one thing right, Silas Lynch… wait… Barack Obama did become president.
I can’t dispute its historical significance, its the only reason I’ve even seen it.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah...
I mean the ideas in the movie are insane and comical. But yeah, just the importance in showing what could be done with film makes it a “great” and important movie.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 4, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Although, the same can be said for Street Fighter.
No one knew a entire cast and production staff could suck so bad.
They set out to prove something. Forever lowering the bar for cheap action films.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
it's very similar to Trotsky and Goebbels
essentially inventing modern communications, PR and propaganda. evil fuckers but genius technicians.
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Correction
Birth of a Nation is a great movie, that is what makes it so damn despicable. The same goes for Triumph of the Will. Only when genius is put to advancing such horrible ideas do you get something so wicked.
by John Nash on Aug 4, 2010 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its hard to see things that way when the film portrays the best and brightest of your race as a bunch of lazy, drunken rapists. Mixed people, like myself, being the worst. I was both infuriated and delighted by the incredible level of ignorance. The cinematography was, without question, groundbreaking and set the standard for decades. The historical facsimiles resembled something from The Chappelle Show.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lady Gaga
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 4, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
the racism of that era
can really only be laughed at. it’s just so shocking and stupid.
and don’t even get me started on the Jazz Singer — Al Jolson wasn’t even racist, but that stuff is utterly unacceptable now.
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Yea the movie is pretty bad… but I think the double dragon or super Mario bros. might be worse. And hammer’s song isn’t too bad… u can’t go wrong when u sample a parliament classic ;)
by espino on Aug 4, 2010 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man, Birth of a Nation was a great movie
I’m not even talking about the content. In terms of cinema innovation and how it was shot was awesome.
Content was hard to watch, but it was a decent movie.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I love that video...
Had the picture of Guile and MC Hammer together as my forum avatar for quite a while
I used to like Carwin.
He seemed to me like this real, down-to-Earth and humble guy because that’s what everyone wanted to think about him. Now with his blog post “asking” for information about a disease (he certainly wasn’t placing blame anywhere other than himself, of course) and all of this bitching and whining, I seriously do not like him. He’s a crybaby, and a liar. There’s a difference between sticking by your friends and coworkers, managers etc and being a ridiculous asshat, Shane.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
by James Brady on Aug 4, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very minorly related tangent
I have been saying for over a year, maybe more, that the whole “undisclosed bonuses, we totally give our guys way more money than you know” stance was probably bullshit.
And everyone mocked me and yelled at me and told me I wasn’t pretty.
Now quite a few people seem to be coming around. I feel vindicated.
BOOSH
You shouldn’t because you and Nate and everyone else that keeps doubting the fact that Dana and the UFC hand out bonuses on a regular basis is wrong. The sad thing is people would rather mock and continue to believe their own stuff than actually do their homework which would show that people for the most part have no clue how much money these guys are making which is a lot more than it’s reported.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Aug 4, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You just made the arguement against yourself.
You keep saying that guys are getting bonus money that we don’t know about. Well if we don’t know about it, then how the hell do you? How are we wrong? What homework have you done that shows that these guys are getting these phantom bonuses?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
Do you really understand how dumb that statement is? Yes we know they give out bonuses and we even know from the Randy Couture trail statements that they don’t give out the same every time and they can’t be counted on to be given out at all. Some guys make more than their base and some guys probably make way more than their base but you can’t just say that across the board for everyone because these bonuses are given out at the whim of Dana White and not on some kind of set schedule of guaranteed money for fighters. I’m sure there are plenty of guys who don’t make a dime more than what is reported by the athletic commissions. It’s great that Dana gives out extra money but it’s blatantly obvious why he does it and that his favorites are going to get the big checks in the back as opposed to them being given for performance.
We may not know what these guys make but we have been given plenty of clues over time to how things do and don’t work behind the scenes.
F*ck Carwin.
I’m sick of him running his mouth when he isn’t even good at it. It’s more painful than when DeLaHoya tried to trash talk.
Guess what Shane, twittering isn’t the cure for your “body locking up”. Just stick to what you do best and get back in the Octagon.
I apologize in advance if this is construed as fighter bashing.
You are definitely fighter bashing but damn near everyone is regarding Carwin. I think it’s one of those things that enough people are doing it that the rules get bent a bit because if they followed the rules strictly in this instance they would have to ban a lot of people.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Cagesideseats.com
Strangely
I feel like you won’t be reprimanded for this.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 5, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It's really starting to get out of hand
I’m no fan of how Carwin has conducted himself in this mess, but it’s basically become open season on him in the BE comments section and the haters are taking full advantage of it.
Are you really so sensitive that anything written here upsets you? Honest question.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 5, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
OH SHIT my dude Antoine has made it to BE
The REMIX IS FUCKIN CRAZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Shane Carwin
"I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, Exterminate the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, Replacing you as the dominant species on the planet" - Immortal Technique
In the latest @ShaneCarwin hypocrisy news:
Shane was all over Roger Huerta’s shit on Twitter saying that he was wrong for doing what he did, and only know if bothering to check to see if a) Roger was even there, or b) if “Roger” was the guy that did the kicking.
It’s as though he didn’t contact Roger before publishing that shit. ODD.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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Write a piece, Jerry, write a piece
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
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