Quote of the Day: James Toney Had a Fun MMA Experience, Wants Another UFC Bout
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
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"That's the main reason I came to MMA. At least MMA guys got guts and they will get in a cage with me. The boxing guys are all talk and no walk. My thing is, all of these bums, David Gaye and Bucktooth Bernard Hopkins, talk all that shit; come and see me! They were quiet as mice until they saw I was signed to fight in the UFC and then they all had an opinion. I'm doing both and I ain't going nowhere. I'm in it for the long run baby. I'm the only two sport athlete out there and I'm doing the 2 most dangerous sports in the world. No other man will try to do that."
"Man, the fans in MMA are great. These motherfucking fans are...they fanatics man. It's great. I love the atmosphere that they bring. It reminded me of the old days of boxing; the 70's, 80's and early 90's. Boxing fans used to be like that and we need to bring that back. The MMA scene is so crazy and it's great. The fans stand in the hotel lobby from early in the morning until late at night. They are there when you wake up in the morning and they are there when you go to bed and that's fucking crazy. I love that shit. It was crazy man... I had a lot of support out there in Boston. They are a fight town and a couple of them actually remembered me from when I fought Ramon Garbey out there 10 years ago. It was great. I mean, 20,000 fans man? That's crazy. They showed me so much love in that city. I can't wait to go back."
"I knew Dana was trying to throw me to the dogs, but I wanted that. In fact, he didn't throw me to the dogs; I went looking for them. I went looking for trouble. That's why they call me JT, "Just Trouble." I loved it. I had fun in there and I can't wait to do it again."
--James Toney (0-1 MMA), seems to have genuinely enjoyed his UFC experience and wants another crack at it. Too bad Dana White doesn't seem to want him back anymore. If, or when, he gets released, I wonder how long before another promotion decides to place that phone call... or if any of them can afford his paycheck.
"It’s a different ball game, but not much different. Only thing is I got caught slippin. I should’ve bobbed and weaved instead of just weaved. I made a mistake. I paid for it. But I’ll be back, I ain’t worried about it. I don’t cry over spilled milk."
"I’ll be back. I’m not going anywhere, man. I’m a baby. Everybody falls off the wagon sometimes. (But) it ain’t like I lost my title or anything. It’s a learning experience, and I learned from one of the best."
"Let me tell you something, anybody else in boxing or MMA wouldn’t have done what I’ve done, because they don’t have the heart or the balls that I do. I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts. So I can do that. But I’ll be back. I’m going to fight next month in a boxing match and (then) in MMA in February or January. I’ll sit down and talk to Dana, (see) what’s going on. It is what it is."
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He needs a career in PR
His spin is amazing. First he hated on MMA. Now he is a “two sport athlete”. Nice.
“I’m the only two sport athlete out there and I’m doing the 2 most dangerous sports in the world. No other man will try to do that.”
Smartest punch drunk delusional old man on the block.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
he almost makes it seem like he DIDN’T come in the fattest and worst shape of his combat sports career and he actually tried…
I’ve got big walnuts. Gorilla nuts.
by Austin Martin on Aug 30, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Punchy, paunchy, blowhard, homophobe, arrogant, old, boxer.
The outcome was not a shock.
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Pain don't hurt...
I don't remember him actually 'hating' on MMA
just being delusional in thinking he could come in and actually beat Couture with no ground game at all
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Paraphrasing
He called them “pussy gloves” and something along the lines of “only girls kick”. He said plenty of things like that. I’m not sure what the definition of “hating on mma” is, but I’m guessing statements like that fit the category.
I’ve got a love/hate with the guy. Assuming he’s willing to take a pay cut and is serious about wanting to keep fighting in MMA, I’m looking forward to watching him in Strikeforce, KOTC, or whoever decides to give him another shot.
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by RearNakedSpank on Aug 30, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t going to let anyone lay on top of him cause he wasn’t gay.
That’s disparaging of many heterosexual positions. Pure hate.
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by Rufford on Aug 30, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You talk an amazingly good game, Mr. Toney
It is amazing how he can get horribly destroyed like that and still somehow talk you into thinking he’s this bad son of a gun. I mean he clearly did not take that fight seriously. At all.
I think he did. I don’t think any of us would do any better vs Randy Couture if we were in the same situation with like 9 months to train something completely new to us.
While he did look lost on the ground it is hard to remember all the things you just learned when you’re getting punched in the face.
You know how I can tell he didn’t?
Because he came in at 237 pounds and was completely unaware of how the sport works. He didn’t know how to TAP OUT after 7-9 months of training? How does that happen?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Note the knife counter and subsequent offensive measures.
by Brent Ducharme on Aug 30, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
there's a lot of cutting people's dicks in kempo5.0
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 30, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s like I said last week. Wait until we become depraved enough to get on some real Roman shit. When weaponry is allowed in the cage, Kenpo 5.0 will look like Krav Maga got drunk and fucked ballet one night be king.
by Brent Ducharme on Aug 30, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brent you called the fight perefectly, but i still can’t help but admire an ‘’i don’t give a fuck’’ warrior like Toney. Sure, he was a fish out of water, but i have no doubt the crazy fucker would fight Couture again tommorow!
I would kill to get my ass kicked by Couture for a fraction of that. Seriously, five grand right now I’ll step in with him, but it will have to be at HW because there’s no way I can cut down to 205 at 67’’ lmao. I’ve had my ass kicked for a helluva lot less.
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by James Brady on Aug 30, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
" I loveditmy $750,000. I had fun in there and I can’t wait todo itget easy money again."
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by espino on Aug 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
this is a very valid point...
I truly believe that Randy was taking it easy on him. Someone with a real mean streak would have hurt him badly in that position.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 30, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
First thing I said to my mates when watching was “Thank god he didn’t badmouth Jones early enough to give him time to move up to HW like he said he would”
..Can you imagine Bones dropping those hellbows on Toney when he fell into full mount like Randy did?. The fact he didnt even know how to tap (something that left me lost for words) certainly wouldn’t have helped his chances of not being hospitalised either.
Goldberg: "He's got him in some kind of strange choke I've never seen before!"
Rogan: "That's a rear naked choke."
I think hellbows should only be a Florian thing with the way they cut.
But I think, if I were to make an exception (and of course be the commisioner of the usage of “hellbows” so I can be in a position to grant exceptions) to the rule, it’d be JBJ.
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by James Brady on Aug 30, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, fair point, Florian threw the original hellbows. Watching Bones drop those elbows on Hammill though, I sat there thinking his face was actually going to cave in. And then Vera’s face literally did, just crumble. Him and his elbows are over rated though..
Goldberg: "He's got him in some kind of strange choke I've never seen before!"
Rogan: "That's a rear naked choke."
by NE188 on Aug 31, 2010 2:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't mind seeing him towards the bottom of a card
against Cro Cop or Pat Barry, but putting him in a co main event is silly.
Frank Mir is another fighter that really cranks on his submissions, and doesn’t seem to care if he breaks a limb.
Lol... Set it up!
Frank isn’t known for his takedowns either, which would be a little more interesting.
Frank’s trouble with takedowns has me confused about his fight with Cro Cop. If Cro Cop can still sprawl the fight could be violent.
I’m pumped. I think Cro Cop can pull it out. I’m not too high on Frank’s stand-up(same two punch combo).
by DayGeaux on Aug 30, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So was Kongo
him seemed more bewildered than hurt.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he had a look on his face like WTF?
Some simple MMAth:
Kongo out struck Cro Cop
Mir out struck Kongo
Mir out strikes Cro Cop
…right?
with ease.
Mir is one the most accomplished strikers in MMA history now.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I feel sorry for the person that had to transcribe that. It must have taken HOURS.
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by Tim Burke on Aug 30, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’d like to see him fight again in the UFC. Not in January. Toney needs a lot more training and a better match-up. Cro Cop might be too much for him, but maybe someone like Pat Barry or Duff Man might work.
I think it would really say something if Toney came back and showed some new knowledge. I just don’t have faith that he will.
It would be interesting to see him vs a striker but who would stand and bang with him? Even most strikers would probably use this as a way to test their ground game because it would be a free win for them.
And if someone did strike with him I wonder how many leg kicks he could eat before he tapped out or collapsed and unable to stand.
No doubt. Toney is a version of Kimbo (one with a worse ground game).
I think a cocky enough striker might strike with Toney, but they’ll be heavy on the kicks.
Kimbo would wreck Toney in the octagon.
Kimbo plex and GnP.
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bring back Kimbo!
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Aug 30, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kimbo vs Toney
would be 700,000 buys, if both of them didn’t get embarrassed recently.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No. It wouldn't.
Neither of them have ever been PPV draws. Kimbo vs. Toney does not do gangbusters.
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The ufc would've marketed it as the biggest street fight ever.
Never underestimate the spin factor.
People are stupid, very stupid. The lower you set the bar the more people will jump over it. No moron left behind. Do you know how many people still think Kimbo’s a good MMA fighter? Way way too many.
We would have three months of build up and incoherent ridiculous nonsense, drawing in marks like flies on shit. Youtube would be going nuts.
Of course, they would have to put it on a decent card, but people would want to see it. Especially if we didn’t know they both sucked.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That is about that only fight for Toney
that would be both evenly matched and competitive.That being said, so would Christopher Reeves Vs. Stephan Hawking (even now), but that doesn’t mean I wanna see it.
well I’m glad it’s not up to you then :p (and yes, I know DW already said he wasn’t going to bring him back if that was going to be your next reply).
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I’m not knocking your opinion, I mean, I get it. I just feel that the UFC is the place for top level fighters. It’s been a long time since James Toney was a top level boxer, and Kimbo has never been a top level anything. They can booth go beat up Butterbean at the state fair for all I care.
the UFC is a place for top level fighters
and big name fighters as well (which isn’t always the same as top level fighters). Though I’d agree that they have most of the elite, but aren’t always exclusive to that type of fighter.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
The way Mirko talks, I don’t think he’d take the joke fight.
Putting Toney up against an actual kickboxer is just mean. The guy has problems being understood and you want to take away his ability to walk.
He didn’t respect the sport the first time around and I don’t think he would do so a second time around.
Posting in spite of Snowden.
well I'm glad he liked it
Good for him.
Very happy.
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
People are to hard on the guy
That was his first MMA fight and it was against Couture of all people. I’d like to see him in octagon again.
He did it to himself. He talked a lot of shit for months and months.. I wish Randy had beat his ass worse.
by sadface on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know what? It was fun.
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I’d like to see James Toney fight Ray Mercer in a MMA fight.
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by DirtyML on Aug 30, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
This response to his beatdown suprises me.
That being said, I don’t want to see him fight in the UFC again. Retiring with dignity being out of the question at this point, maybe James could find a decent heavyweight BOXING fight now. He has proven he can still sell a fight, if nothing else.
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by WarToney on Aug 30, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
Good question about who else could afford him. UFC is has the budget to capitalize on his marketing abilities. Getting him on television spots and letting him sell the fight.
Can he swallow his pride and take 20k from Strikeforce? Would it even be worth it to Strikeforce or anyone else?
Posting in spite of Snowden.
Strikeforce would probably do Walker vs. Toney.
Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.
James Toney vs. Fedor
Book it.
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i think i could learn to love it.
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by thetakeover on Aug 30, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Toney represents boxing's dilemma with MMA
the passion, the raw fight-fan passion that is at nearly every MMA show is gone from boxing. Not everywhere of course, you see it in Montreal for Bute/Pascal fights, overseas where boxing is thriving. But in America? I really do respect Toney for getting in that cage with Randy Couture. He got owned, but I think Toney represents what a lot of boxing fans have been thinking – big fights and the big fight atmosphere now belongs to the UFC. And so does the money.
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The fact that he didn't learn to tap properly
and had zero clue how to defend a submission that Couture took a long time to lock in makes me think maybe he didn’t take his BJJ training as seriously as he should have .
Like attending orientation?
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Toney saw "orientation"
on the schedule (which of course he mistook for a menu), so instead of showing up for BJJ practice Toney went out for noodles.
by truck on Aug 30, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol
that was pretty good.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Enough with the freakshow fights already. This James Toney stuff was a huge waste of time, glad I won’t be seeing him in the octagon again. After that sorry performance, I can’t understand why anyone would want to see him do MMA again. He will get killed by anyone with good kickboxing or any kind of wrestling or jiu-jitsu, which doesn’t really leave any options for viable fights in the UFC. Go fight Herschel Walker or something, if you really want to continue with this farce.. or better yet, just retire. Grossly out of shape, way over the hill, one dimensional boxer with a bad style for MMA and without any significant KO power.. yah, who wouldn’t want that. Seems like some have bought into Zuffa’s marketing job of Toney a little too much IMO.
it brought in the $$ though
and was slightly entertaining. it’s easy to say it was a waste of time etc etc (which it ultimately was in hindsight) now that we’ve seen the outcome but you have to admit that there was a slight part of you that was worried that Toney would pull off a KO of Capt America. everybody in the crowd was on the edge of their seats until Couture took him down…..
Yeah, it’s pretty amazing how they managed to spin this and get people genuinely interested and thinking Toney had a legitimate chance. By the time the PPV actually happened I was getting real tired of all the hype and just felt like let’s get this over with so we won’t have to hear about it anymore. But yeah I can admit that I was a bit tense up until the takedown.. for what it’s worth though (nothing), I did chose to bet a large sum of fantasy money for little payout on Randy winning (something like $2200 for $300 win at mmaplayground). :P
I guess I’m a little provoked by some posters claiming for more Toney fights, I’m trying not to be too much of an elitist asshole about this. But basically we already know that traditionally boxers tend to do very poor when they enter MMA. Hell, they’re not even any good once you throw them into K-1 / kickboxing (with a few exceptions). James Toney at age 42 sure as hell ain’t going to change that.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 30, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If he brought down his price tag, maybe Dana will change his mind. I just want to see him against a kickboxer
He will be legkicked to death, fairly quickly, fight ends in round 1 when Toney quits or get’s GnP to stoppage. There, saved you the trouble.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 30, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't explain it
but I really like Toney. I’ll keep paying to watch him fight.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
This is just sad
I’m seeing all these people that are actually interested in seeing Toney fight again. Why?
When it comes down to it, any young, in shape, 200 pound “average joe” with no boxing or MMA experience would have done better against Couture. They would have at least tried to frantically escape from his mount or thrown a couple wild bows from the bottom. Toney just took it and looked like he was relieved that Couture went for the choke rather than GnP him to a pulp. In the end, Toney’s age and conditioning were even greater factors in his defeat than his lack of MMA experience.
The guy misses the money and the fame of his boxing glory days. Who wouldn’t? But his damaged brain needs some kind of “safety advocate” to make the decisions he won’t/can’t. It’s obvious that the commission won’t do it.
correction:
It was supposedly from a phone call. So I suppose that Fighthype could have cut out the “know what I’m sayin”s and made it a little more gramatically correct.
There were people
who actually thought Toney had a chance to win. If he fought again, there would be some people who would actually think he has a chance to win.
Someone with common sense has to step in and say, “No”, preferably the guys who cut the checks.
James said he should of......
bobbed and weaved…hahahahah he should have ran out of the octagon!! lol
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