Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Gift Of The 2003 Tigers

Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Randy Couture Uses the Low Single Leg Take Down to Drop James Toney at UFC 118

Randy Couture drags James Toney to the ground with a low single leg take down. Photo by Esther Lin for Fanhouse.

Randy Couture has long been the best game planner in MMA. Going all the way back to his brilliant upset deconstruction of "The Phenom" Vitor Belfort at UFC 15, it's clear that Randy Couture takes an analytical approach to the fight game.

His bout against James Toney was no exception. Before the fight he discussed Toney in terms of, "an interesting problem to solve." Well you have to give Couture an A+ on this assignment.

It's a tribute to his disciplined regimen and life style and state of the art training and nutrition that Couture is still fighting at this level at his age. Much younger fighters like Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Fedor Emelianenko, B.J. Penn, and Mirko "Cro Cop" Filopovic are all showing signs of fading in their early 30's.

Fans, coaches and fighters will want to go ahead and pre-order his upcoming Victory Belt book: Xtreme Training: The Fighter's Ultimate Fitness Manual. Not that you'll be able to fight like Randy when you're 47, but you can at least learn from the MMA fitness guru and avoid the early 30's burn out that afflicts so many fighters.

But really, James Toney didn't present that big a problem for Couture.

I admit I bought into Dana White's hypejob for UFC 118's "freakshow fight" between multi-time multi-divisional UFC champ Randy Couture and multi-time multi-divisional boxing champ James Toney. I somehow fooled myself into thinking that Toney's miniscule chance to win could actually translate into reality. But alas, Randy Couture reprised the lesson we all learned in 1993 at UFC 1 -- if you can't grapple you can't fight. 

But those of us who love to try to understand the techniques we're seeing in Mixed Martial Arts did get to see one rarely seen technique executed to perfection: the low single leg take down. 

Ideally I like the Judo Chop to focus on the key move in a fight and in this case, Couture's low single leg was definitely the turning point after which Toney had no hope of victory. Well maybe that happened the minute the contract was signed.

Of the major disciplines involved in MMA -- Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, boxing, Muay Thai, Judo -- I've found wrestling to be the most subtle and nuanced, but the more I learn about the techniques involved, the more I can see and appreciate the fights I'm watching. Even a boring clinch against the fence can become intriguing if you're watching who's got underhooks and who's pummelling for better position. So this fight is a good one to study to learn more about a very fundamental wrestling move that rarely works in MMA, but does have a place in the arsenal.

Couture talked about the move to ESPN's MMA Live after the event (via MMA Mania)

"It went exactly according to plan which is a rarity in our sport. I was pretty happy to see it go that way... Range was a big factor, especially against a guy with the striking skills James has. You don't see too many guys shoot a low single in mixed martial arts. And I knew the low single would work and make it difficult for him to counter punch me or catch me coming in. I got the mount position and he didn't have any idea how to get out of the mount. I had the choke once and he was propped up against the fence. I had to adjust and let him off the hook, but he gave it to me again."

Here's wikipedia describing the move:

The single leg takedown (often shortened to single leg or single) involves grabbing one of the legs of the opponent, usually with both hands, and using the position to force the opponent to the ground. Typically, the lower part of the leg is pulled in one direction, while the torso or shoulder is used to press the body or upper part of the leg of the opponent in the other direction. There are several varieties of single leg takedowns. Some hold the leg by the ankle and are often known as ankle picks, while other varieties include high crotch, which hold the leg high up in the crotch area. Single leg takedowns can also be executed in combination with a leg trip to the other leg, which additionally destabilizes the opponent. Single leg takedowns can be countered by sprawling, and, where allowed, in combination with knee strikes to the head of the opponent.

In the full entry we'll look at an animated gif and hear from Randy Couture at the press conference describing the move in more detail and more.

Ufc_118_button_medium 

Star-divide

Here's Randy Couture talking about the fight at the post fight press conference:

Exactly how I saw it in my head. I had no illusions of standing around and trading any kind of blows with James. I had to pull out the old low single from college and dust it off because it's pretty hard to counter-punch that. You have to be within arms length to really hit a double leg and guess what, he's got arms. He could hit me with them. I thought I could get to his feet and put him on his butt with the low single leg.
...
Through training camp, I had a couple doubts about whether the low shot was going to work and I was going to have to try get into range to set up a good double leg or run him into the fence and try the clinch.
But today especially, in the locker room, working with Ray... the low shot just felt sharp and in my mind I felt it was going to work. I felt it was going to be the key.

Interviewer: It seemed like it was kinda from a little far away, it wasn't the strongest take down we've ever seen from you, were you concerned ..

That's exactly why you don't see a lot of guys shoot that shot because it's pretty easy to counter. You shoot it from a longer distance away. You have to get pretty low. A good grappler or a good wrestler is going to step out of that. I'm catching his heel and hopefully getting some pressure on his knee to force him to his butt. I didn't think James would have a counter or an answer to that. You don't see that shot very often in MMA. Good grapplers counter that pretty easily.

Franklin McNeil: When he came out and I noticed his stance, did you notice his stance right away? It looked like a conventional boxing stance. Did you salivate at that point?

The first thing I noticed when I got into the cage and settled in was he was wearing those things on his feet. A huge thing when shooting a low single, you're used to doing it against wrestlers who are wearing shoes, it's something I can grip. So when he had themo things on his feet, I said ok this is going to be better, he's got something I can grip. If it gets dicey or he tries to step out of it, I've got something I can grip other than his sweaty leg or his sweaty foot. 

The only reason I would have salivated over the boxing stance was that I'd trained a lot with Ray and Gil on trying to set up that kickboxer's range and trying to kick that lead leg both inside and outside and I knew he was going to try and throw that right hand anytime I picked up my foot. The counter to that is a right hand and he's got a pretty good right hand. I didn't spend time even thinking about it.

 

R7umf6_jpg_medium Here we see Toney in the classic boxer's stance  (more on stances below) with his legs narrow and his lead shoulder out in front leg and Couture is in a more typical MMA stance with his shoulders nearly square to his opponent.

Couture paws with a jab just to bait Toney into reacting. Toney crouches. Then Couture seems to be doing that again but this time shoots behind the feint. Note that he drops down but doesn't dive. His left leg bends at a 90 degree angle at the knee, he sinks his hips and he shoots off his extended right leg. Then he grabs Toney's lead left leg. He hooks his right hand behind Toney's heel and pushes with his left nearer the knee.

In Randy's excellent book, Wrestling for Mixed Martial Arts, he breaks down how to execute the low single as well as how to defend it.

For those that are curious here's Oklahoma State University wrestling coach John Smith describing how to defend against the low single leg take down (as transcribed by Curt Clapier): 

Here are the key points to defending the low level single leg.

1. Make a left turn.
2. Grab his ankle with your left arm.
3. Come up. Lift your head up immediately. Once you commit to make that left turn you have to go. You have to go. You have to grab his ankle and beat him in the race to get your head up. If you don't then you are going to have problems.
4. As you come up you have to switch arms. Meaning you have to switch and put your right arm underneath his ankle and lift his leg as you raise your head and come up.

Again, John Smith stress that you have to com up with your head fast. Once you commit to turning that corner you have to go. You have to beat him to get your head up. I hope this helps you as much as it did me.

Maybe we can take up a collection and send some of John Smith's videos to James Toney. 

Here's Smith demonstrating the defense via FlowWrestling:

Here's a sambo instructional from Somerset Sambo on how to do the low single leg -- with some transitions to ankle lock submissions thrown in:

Here's wikipedia on the classic boxing stance Toney employed:

In a fully upright stance, the boxer stands with the legs shoulder-width apart and the rear foot a half-step behind the lead foot. Right-handed or orthodox boxers lead with the left foot and fist. Both feet are parallel, and the right heel is off the ground. The lead (left) fist is held vertically about six inches in front of the face at eye level. The rear (right) fist is held beside the chin and the elbow tucked against the ribcage to protect the body. The chin is tucked into the chest to avoid punches to the jaw which commonly cause knock-outs and is often kept slightly offcenter. Wrists are slightly bent to avoid damage when punching and the elbows are kept tucked in to protect the ribcage. Some boxers fight from a crouch, leaning forward and keeping their feet closer together. The stance described is considered the "textbook" stance and fighters are encouraged to change it around once its been mastered as a base. Case in point, many fast fighters have their hands down and have almost exaggerated footwork, while brawlers or bully fighters tend to slowly stalk their opponents.

Left-handed or southpaw fighters use a mirror image of the orthodox stance, which can create problems for orthodox fighters unaccustomed to receiving jabs, hooks, or crosses from the opposite side. The southpaw stance, conversely, is vulnerable to a straight right hand.

North American fighters tend to favor a more balanced stance, facing the opponent almost squarely, while many European fighters stand with their torso turned more to the side. The positioning of the hands may also vary, as some fighters prefer to have both hands raised in front of the face, risking exposure to body shots.

Modern boxers can sometimes be seen tapping their cheeks or foreheads with their fists in order to remind themselves to keep their hands up (which becomes difficult during long bouts). Boxers are taught to push off with their feet in order to move effectively. Forward motion involves lifting the lead leg and pushing with the rear leg. Rearward motion involves lifting the rear leg and pushing with the lead leg. During lateral motion the leg in the direction of the movement moves first while the opposite leg provides the force needed to move the body.

Here's a good description of the differences between a boxing stance, a kickboxing stance and an mma stance I found on Sherdog:

Boxing stance tends to have lead leg forward and rear leg behind with a narrow stance shoulder width or less. Your lead shoulder and rear shoulder should be inline that is your medial deltoid of the lead shoulder is facing your opponent. This makes sprawling harder.

A kick boxing stance would have legs farther apart, more than shoulder width and your more squared off to your opponent. Your lead shoulder and trailing shoulders should form a 45degree angle to your opponent whereas the boxing stance is is perpendicular.

The mma stance varies but can nearly parallel to you oponent, both shoulders facing your opponent.

The easiest way to see the difference is to first stand in boxing stance, perpendicular to opponent then move your trailing leg out until it becomes parallel with your right shoulder.

Comment 65 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

In High School

I found an old John Smith training tape in a Salvation Army store for twenty-five cents. The low single was my go to takedown for a while after.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 30, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Also

Randy’s low single wasn’t even really that great. Instead of dropping elevation and lunging forward, he kind of just bends a little at the waiste and tumbles over. Against a guy like Toney it was fine, but a more aware fighter would just hop out of the way. And Toney just tumbles right over. There’s no reason for Toney to go down just from a head tweak on his knee like that. He should be able to drop back and sprawl with his free leg. From there though all Randy has to do is shift his weight and use his arm to shuck him off.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 30, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lovin' Randy

Randy didn’t need it to be perfect. Hell, he let Toney get up against the cage and wasn’t worried that Toney might get up or turn around.

Randy knew exactly what he needed to do for Toney and he actually looked like he was just having a lot of fun.

"Girls are mean." Lisa Ward

by Keren on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know youre supposed to keep your back straight for takedowns in wrestling/mma because with a bent back its easier to be sprawled/choked. Randy did not have to worry about that from Toney, but he DID have to worry about being knocked unconcious on the way in. I’m pretty sure he intentionally used “bad” technique to avoid Toney’s hands, not because he doesnt know how to do a single

by jaybot on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what I'm describing actually keeps him even farther out of punching range

Instead of dropping right where you can get tagged by an uppercut, you completely lower your elevation outside of punching range, and shoot straight from your haunches at his ankle.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Smith

He came to my high school to do a one day clinic — if anyone here has not seen video of the John Smith low single, you have no idea what you’re missing. Speed. A human being is not supposed to be that fast.

"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.

by IKilled007 on Aug 31, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quick chop, awesome job.

Also, the low ankle pick, especially how slow Randy did it… was laughable but I mean, it’ll work against a guy like Toney especially because Randy needed to stay under the power.

Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Aug 30, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Watching that takedown was litterally like watching a cow tip over.

I thought Toney had at least a little athletic ability. I feel like such an idiot for thinking Toney’s chances were being underestimated at the bookies.

by Mint on Aug 30, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it had a lot more to do with (lack of) technique and not knowing what's going on,

than his athleticism. Uber flatfooted, unathletic Tim Sylvia would’ve known what to do and get out of that low single.

by Anton Tabuena on Aug 30, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I don’t have any MMA training, but if someone went for my foot, my first reaction is to jump back and pull it out of there. I mean that’s what I did when horsing around with my siblings growing up. It’s a natural reaction.

Toney did nothing. He put all his weight on his lead leg, and that basically glued it to the floor. I thought I would at least see half of Brett Rogers’ athleticism. That fatty is 260 lbs but probably has a good 30" vertical (watch his celebration after KOing Arlovski). Who the heck is fighting for his IBA and WABO belts? Bums off the street?

by Mint on Aug 30, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

he did what he needed to do, no more, no less. Took no chances, made no mistakes. Won the fight.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Aug 30, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the exact TD that Genki Sudo used when we fought Butterbean.

by zorba on Aug 30, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

thought Randy did a great job

that was a LOW low single … but it kept him out of the range of Toney’s uppercut, which was the point.

i actually thought it was an ankle tap when it first hapened.

My first novel, Prodigal, will be released Nov. 2, 2010 ... check out Prodigal on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Prodigal/132020530174927

Or you can check out my website, http://bobthewriter.com

by bobthewriter on Aug 30, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

*happened

damn, i hate typos.

My first novel, Prodigal, will be released Nov. 2, 2010 ... check out Prodigal on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Prodigal/132020530174927

Or you can check out my website, http://bobthewriter.com

by bobthewriter on Aug 30, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I freaked out on the same thing since I kept calling for an ankle pick in the leadup to this fight

and couldn’t believe that Toney even showed up. Then I realized it was just a sloppy low single. Still, this fight went exactly like every non-mark expected. The only difference being that Toney lasted longer than 1:30.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Aug 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he had a brain he'd have taken the Kimbo fight

when they offered it to him. Kimbo would have done something similar but not as well.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Aug 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even that would of been a bad match-up. It would of ended similar to when tapped out Ray Mercer.

by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 30, 2010 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kimbo doesn't know how to attack with submissions properly and doesn't have relentless evil ground and pound.

His only takedown is the KIMBOPLEX™, and Toney would have blasted him before he clinched. And as much as I raved about Toney’s lack of punching power, I’m sure he hits at least as hard as Seth Petruzelli.

That may be the only winnable fight for Toney in the UFC. Next I want to see him against Mark Hunt or Pat Barry or never again in MMA.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Aug 30, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would imagine

Kimbo would just fly in from the first bell with a sloppy double leg.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 30, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't he a linebacker at U of Miami?

Just tackle the fat man. Probably would work fine.

I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.

by slapjaw ackrite on Aug 30, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec’d for KIMBOPLEX™ :D

by who me on Aug 30, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

ankle tap/pick

was absolutely the right choice … kept him out of Toney’s striking range, and the “ugly” takedown got him right to mount. what more could someone want? :-)

My first novel, Prodigal, will be released Nov. 2, 2010 ... check out Prodigal on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Prodigal/132020530174927

Or you can check out my website, http://bobthewriter.com

by bobthewriter on Aug 30, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Low singles are usually that low

You are supposed to cup the ankle with the lead hand.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 30, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good writing and breakdown, as usual. Although I disagree with this even being a Judo Chop, because the extreme-low single is rare in MMA for good reason. Sure it works on James Toney with no set-up, but against any real MMA fighter it only ever happens in weird scrambles after other failed takedown attempts or annoying bullshit cage-clinching (the Nik Lentz special). Against any real fighter, no matter who is trying the no setup low single, if they do what Randy did, they’re getting kneed in the face or simply avoided.

You shoulda waited for a real sweetly set-up low single against a real fighter for this.

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Aug 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

sorry man, got to cover the moves we’ve got, not the moves we wish we had.

I think you’re missing the point of the Judo Chops, which is just to help fans understand what they’re seeing and cover a range of techniques. The Judo Chop isn’t some kind of award for “best triangle” or anything like that.

Often the techniques are exotics that won’t work against better fighters. It’s just interesting to see them pulled off at all in MMA.

The reason I wrote this one up is that all the guys I watched the fights with thought it was just a bad shot, they didn’t realize that it was so low and so outside for a reason.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Aug 30, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well said Nate

by OZON3 on Aug 30, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that last paragraph says a lot

we had/have a ton of commenters on this site posting about how ugly/slow Randy’s shot was … but it was done that way for a reason, IMO … Couture did it just right — low enough to be out of striking distance, slow enough to make sure he had a good grip.

My first novel, Prodigal, will be released Nov. 2, 2010 ... check out Prodigal on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Prodigal/132020530174927

Or you can check out my website, http://bobthewriter.com

by bobthewriter on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Aug 30, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cro Cop has had a long fighting life from his K-1 days and Nog has been through some wars that are finally catching up with him. I don’t think Penn and Fedor are fading, but rather the outcome has much to do with style matchups and mental mistakes. Consider that it wasn’t that long ago when Penn destroyed Sanchez, Stevenson and Florian. Randy’s longevity can be attributed to genetics, great training, and a style of fighting that keeps him from sustaining much damage (though Fedor and Penn rarely take any damage). Even Randy is not the same fighter he once was as Vera and Nog worked him over in their respective fights. A good wrestling base with a heavy dose of dirty boxing is a style of fighting that isn’t too dependent on speed and quickness; often the first to go as one ages.

by Stroma on Aug 30, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I admit I bought into Dana White’s hypejob

You’re not the only one. I did, as well as the audience in the arena, according to the “UFC!” chants. Deep down inside, we all knew this fight meant nothing. The question of the grappler vs striker was solved back in UFC 1. However, it was kind of fun to frame it in the terms of Boxing vs MMA. Sometimes it’s okay to buy into the hype for entertainment purposes. It’s like eating junk food. You know it’s bad, but it’s nice to have it once in a while. I’m all for compelling freakshow fights, so long as there is a balance. Dana and co. placed the freakshow fight within the context of a larger title fight which was a rematch of a previously controversial decision win. We got to see Couture prevail yet again, but also watch Edgar pull a clean sweep of BJ Penn. Penn!

At any rate, loved the chop. When I saw Randy go for the low single leg, I was surprised since the shot was from so far out, but his explanation makes complete sense. That’s why he’s doing this and I’m not, haha. Also, I’m a wimp.

by pud333 on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought Randy just landed a crappy single-leg and Toney fell over – I didn’t even know that was a legit move.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired. -Jonathan Swift

by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Even still

That’s kind of what happened.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 30, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it did look like Toney had two left feet.

by pud333 on Aug 30, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

AS USUAL.....

Another great JUDO CHOP. Time to consider giving the JUDO CHOP it’s own website. I’d be first in line.

by easy_tiger on Aug 30, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

After the fight

I said to myself, “I hope there’s a Judo Chop about that takedown!” Thanks for delivering once again.

by deepbeep on Aug 30, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Fight was a fuckin farce

/sarcasm
Better known as Black Lesnar
Read me at WatchKalibRun

by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

It was what we thought it was

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!

by DayGeaux on Aug 30, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brent's "how not to punch" series is pretty close to what you're requesting

if i knew more technique it would be easier for me to do. as is I can ID the moments when something badass was pulled off, but usually miss the big mistakes.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Aug 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of big mistakes, Demian Maia was not on his game at all, as far as actually trying to sub Miranda he was sloppy as hell and just mistake after mistake after mistake and I’m serious, Miranda wasn’t magically defending or really even defending at all, Demian was just not even trying.

I’m usually not one to knock a world champ black belts skills as I assume they’re doing something I can’t see, but seriously Demian was just messing up really really simple things, something was very wrong with him.

Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Aug 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I was interested, Rogan kept saying he need to do certain things and he was just not doing them (control the legs was one of them). I thought it was a big weird. In fairness though, Miranda was doing a pretty good job of scrambling out of those positions, it seemed to me.

by Clifford J on Aug 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Demian went for armbars when he didn’t have arms, he went for armbars when he had triangles open for him. Demian was just not in his right mind as far as jiu jitsu goes on saturday night.

Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Aug 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been asome “how not to punch” moments in the last couple of shows that were deserving of articles (even if all of them weren’t “punches”).

by who me on Aug 30, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

like?

give me something to work with if you can’t do a fanpost on your own

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Aug 30, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

just to be clear

the video for that escape is for them grabbing your right leg. So that means a spin (turn) the the right would have been the correct move? Yeah, Toney was not going to pull that off.

Use more judges.

by MasonA on Aug 30, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

ah good catch

in his book, Wrestling for Fighting, Randy in fact only discusses using the low single when facing a southpaw (or opposite stanced fighter if you’re a southpaw) never even considers using it against someone in the orthodox stance like Toney because most guys would just step out easy.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Aug 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to bust balls

the video you have up is showing the defense for an outside step single. If you watch the full speed work at the end of the video you’ll see the shooter is stepping outside the leg he’s shooting at and circling around outside (in the case of the toney gif, it would be if Couture had shot by stepping with his right foot, placing it outside of Toney’s lead (left) foot. Couture would then circle to his right to finish the shot.)

The best defense really is to not let someone get all the way in on a shot before reacting. If someone gets a hold of your heel/ankle while you still have weight on it the best you can hope for is a scramble.

by Balrog on Aug 30, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to look up if I could find a better low single defense other than just getting your foot out of the way or sprawling then scrambling if he gets a foot. Found these two videos-

some of that I’m not sure would be too effective on an opponent with any amount of speed but still its something (that smith vid is a defense for a completely different finish off a single)

by Balrog on Sep 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

it amazes me....
B.J. Penn, and Mirko “Cro Cop” Filopovic are all showing signs of fading in their early 30’s.

It seems everyone has completely forgot how BJ DESTROYED his last four opponents, and should have won the first fight against Edgar. He’s not shot or declining, he had a bad fight with a tough edgar who had the right plan to win.

"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn

by D.Hughes on Aug 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah

Someone should write a fanpost about how everyone was talking about how all of the UFC’s champs are so unbeatable. Then Machida loses, Penn loses, and Silva and Lesnar got the scares of their lives. Then they immediately get downgraded to “chumps that anyone could beat.”

Personally, if Koscheck comes in at +400 or something crazy, I will put some money on him. I expect him to lose, but anything can happen when you are fighting the #1 contender. That’s why long streaks of title defences are so rare, and that’s why it’s so crazy to rag on guys for not moving up in weight.

by Clifford J on Aug 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

great job

I find it especially interesting how Couture gave a ton of respect to Toney’s striking but none at all to his grappling. Smart. I remember thinking that Couture better not screw around even for 10 seconds trading punches. He really came in with his head screwed on straight for this one. Good job.

You can say he made Toney look bad, or Toney made himself look bad, but really, Couture respected his strengths and came in with a great game plan. It was not quite as easy as it looked, maybe.

by Clifford J on Aug 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

sherdog forum posts

a reliable source of correct information.

by roccotuna on Aug 30, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Sakuraba was the master.

Saku was the master of the low single. Watch some of his fights and you can see the speed and true effectiveness of thus shot.

by Naztuu on Aug 30, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Win

Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Aug 31, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"I don't want to knock my opponent out. I want to hit him, step away and watch him hurt" - Joe Frazier

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Predicting A Collegiate Wrestler’s Development
Shogun_logo_small
UFC’s Hopes For A Stadium Show In Sao Paulo Appear To Be Dead
Small
The Downfall of Diego Sanchez
Small
The time is right for a superfight, and it doesn't involve Anderson
391807_10150399618817701_750257700_8470850_1424416169_n_small
1 in about 7 billion!  :D

Recent FanPosts

Small
Yuki Kondo
Img_0019_small
Training Progress
Small
Muay Thai camps in Thailand
Blav_small
OT: Help out my short film
Badr_hari3_small
War Machine explains what happenned and asks for support
Warrior_small
MMA Transaction Wire: February 4-10
Bv_small
BE Trivia Night

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

MMA Rankings

USA Today / SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings