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Will the New "Old" Takanori Gomi and the New "Old" Vitor Belfort Wear UFC Gold?

This post on Head Kick Legend jogged my brain:

Takanori Gomi is the same fighter he's always been. The same guy that knocked out Sakurai. The same guy that had the epic war with Nick Diaz. The same guy that won titles in two of Japan's historically biggest promotions. He might have slowed down a small fraction but that is inevitable with the passing of time. The fact is that Gomi always got by with his subpar work ethic when he fought lower level competition. He could knock out fighters like Mitsuhiro Ishida and Luiz Azeredo because they have lackluster chins. He could submit fighters like David Baron and Charles Bennett because their ground games were not up to snuff. Gomi's problems now are precisely the exact reasons he lost his previous fights. He didn't train hard for certain opponents and they either made him pay for it (like Kitaoka, Marcus Aurelio, or Diaz) or he went to unenthusing decisions (like Seung Hwang Bang, Sergey Golyaev, and Jean Silva). The Florian loss was a combination of not having a good training camp and fighting one of the best lightweights out there. Training with Nobuhiro Obiya and Akira Okada at Kugayama Rascal is just not cutting it when you're trying to be an elite lightweight who's fighting at the top level. Going to the States and training here would do wonders for Gomi. He's also never been one for in-cage strategy. It is no secret that Gomi has a lot of success when his opponents start to brawl with him. Gomi's got natural power and enough punching technique to where he can starch guys that come in on him lazily. That ability is always going to be there and we saw it against Tyson Griffin.

Before all the stories and forum threads start coming out proclaiming, "Gomi's back!!11", consider the past of "The Fireball Kid". Are his problems really that he's physically depleted? Or is he the victim of his own laziness? You can decide for yourself.

Not only do I whole-heartedly agree with the post, it reminded me of something I wrote after Vitor Belfort KO'd Matt Lindland at Affliction's second show (and I could have posted again after he KO'd Rich Franklin at UFC 103):

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Here's the deal. Vitor Belfort has always been extremely dangerous if you walk into his left hand early in the fight. Lindland cut off the ring, threw an unbelievably awkward left hook and charged right into Vitor's power punch. Further proof that Lindland is no Randy Couture. That was the definition of bad gameplanning.

Getting a flash KO win over Lindland isn't all that either. Dave Terrell did that in 2004 and no one remembers him.

Honestly, Belfort's win over Terry Martin impressed me more. Seeing Belfort gut out a tough fight against a game opponent in the later rounds is much more impressive than another flash quick KO win.

As far as his career prospects. I do agree with those who think Vitor might be headed back to the UFC. He's always been popular with the fans and doesn't need to be introduced to the UFC audience.

The risk factor with Belfort is do you dare give him a build up fight before his title shot? He's the kind of fighter who will let you down in that scenario almost half the time.

In my mind the ideal scenario would be to sign Belfort to the UFC, get Robbie Lawler free from EliteXC and put them into an immediate #1 contender fight. Either way the UFC wins and the resulting title fight could be the one that finally makes Anderson Silva a draw.

I'm not impressed by the return of the "old" Vitor -- the guy who gets quick wins over opponents who charge right into his wheelhouse.

I'm eager to see a "new" Vitor -- a fighter who can sprawl and evade takedowns, a fighter with a strong enough guard to not just survive but be a threat off his back, and most of all a fighter with the heart to go into the championship rounds hurt and still be a formidable offensive force.

Will we see that fighter in the UFC? Its too soon to tell.

Fighters like Gomi and Belfort will always be a bit of an enigma. Their offensive arsenals are so potent that much of the rest of their game has been somewhat stunted. When you have an excellent chance of scoring a KO win against any opponent who steps into the cage with you, why work on your weaknesses? Why train so hard?

This is a question that both Gomi and Belfort have repeatedly answered incorrectly throughout their careers. While Gomi has certainly put together the more sterling resume -- he's won more wars over tougher opponents -- he never has addressed his weaknesses in a systematic manner.

When I see fighters like Brock Lesnar and Jon Jones suddenly adding smooth jiu jitsu and submissions to their aresenal, it really makes me wonder how much room for improvement both Gomi and Belfort have.  More importantly, will they be able to maintain their motivation and confidence to make title runs in the UFC. Both men have worn major title belts before, the question is will they ever do it again?

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hmmm

only time will tell.

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by ceeb on Aug 3, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Vitor will

With Gomi, it’s too early to tell.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 3, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

id Give vitor a 50% chance and Gomi 20%

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 3, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by DJ Pullout on Aug 3, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gomi has to deal with a stacked LW division

And Belfort has to deal (probably) with the world #1 P4P. I like both fighters, but don’t like their chances that much. I might make it 30% and 10%

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by Dave Strummer on Aug 3, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering how bad Gomi looked against Florian, I don’t think he has well rounded enough to fight BJ again.
If he didn’t land that punch on Tyson who knows how the fight would have went, it didn’t really test him very much.

I hope in his next fight he fights the loser of Dunham Sherk. Or someone around that level.

by DirtyML on Aug 3, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

As for Vitor, he has not even fought at 185 in the UFC and people already want him fighting for the belt, doesn’t really make sense.

by DirtyML on Aug 3, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Because they think he can at the very least push Silva

I dont know if he can or not but after seeing the last 3 mw title fights people are looking for guys that they think can actually challenge Silva.

Does it make it sense? No but neither did Anderson Silva winning a poll on UFC.com to get his title shot.

by bigdmmafan on Aug 3, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I know is that

a) Gomi looked to be in much better shape for this fight than he did against Kenny, and
b) He sounds serious about training in America. Get this guy into a camp full of wrestlers, STAT!

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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

They way he destroyed Griffin made the way Kenny beat him up on the feet all that much more impressive.

by truck on Aug 3, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kenny made him look beyond silly though

by truck on Aug 3, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Kenny beats him regardless

In my mind KenFlo will probably go down as the best fighter to never hold a major title (yes I’m aware his career is far from over).

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by Worldisart on Aug 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Could be

I’m not so sure how Gomi will adapt to the cage. In a ring in shape Gomi traps him and drops him.

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by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

Like their fight showed us, Florian has much better footwork than Gomi and is much better at controlling the fight area. Unlike most American LWs, Florian isn’t your prototypical wrestleboxer.

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by Worldisart on Aug 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He is good at controlling the fight area in a cage. It’s totally different in a ring.

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by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kenny has a very good chance of winning a tile if:

Edgar defeats Penn
Florian defeats Maynard

If this happens, I think Florian gets a title shot.

by truck on Aug 3, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't see Frankie winning the rematch

I was thrilled for him after the first fight because I’m a big fan of Frankie but anyone watching could tell Penn wasn’t his normal self, certainly not the same fighter that beat Florian and Sanchez.

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by Worldisart on Aug 3, 2010 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't bet on Edgar

but crazier things have happened. It won’t be easy, but Edgar’s game plan was pretty effective. His boxing is top notch and his speed is a factor. I think Penn comes out motivated blows him up, but as I said… crazier things have happened.

by truck on Aug 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Gomi that fought Florian seemed like a shadow of his former self, but still landed a few good shots

Gomi was basically standing in front of Florian eating jabs the entire time, I was a bit peeved to see poor footwork and lackluster combinations on his part, especially since those were previously strong elements of his game. No doubting Florian is a great fighter and probably would have defeated the Gomi we saw against Tyson Griffin, but he would’ve at least made it a fight, and the possibility of a KO would’ve been present.

Gomi did manage to land a few very good shots on Florian, like the one in this .gif http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/_Gomi_Rocks_Florian?gid=10001435&tid=107

People criticize his technical skill, but he has very accurate combinations, and he is still fast enough to overwhelm good defensive strikers if he keeps pressing the pace and letting those combos fly.

by lolumad on Aug 3, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think so but 2 things come to mind

1) If BJ Penn doesnt come out and reclaim the lw title at 118 and prove that the Edgar loss was just a glitch then I think it opens up the lw division. I fully expect Penn to come back and dominate but stranger things have happened.

2) Vitor Belfort is still Vitor Belfort. If he cant work his gameplan in the Silva fight or if things begin to go wrong I fully expect him to quit during the fight.

by bigdmmafan on Aug 3, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m done writing off fighters for a while.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh come on

Write off Matyushenko for old time’s sake!

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by jemaleddin on Aug 3, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

Gomi did say he wanted to train full time in the US. So I’ll take him at his word….for now.

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by Dr. Octagon on Aug 3, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Gomi has more chances of wearing the belt than Belfort IMO.

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by Orcus on Aug 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think so. Anderson is getting old, and the fact is, he’s never been tested by a striker like Belfort. Maybe Belfort will end up being too fast for him. Seeing Gomi KO Griffin was the coolest thing ever, but he’s just not on Penn or Edgar’s level.

by crazybones on Aug 3, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's 35

they’re not going to fight when he’s 40.

he’s never been tested by a striker like Belfort

well, if you want to play that game, Vitor has been tested by lesser “strikers” than Andy, and lost… Badly…

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by Orcus on Aug 3, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

like?

i can remember him losing a lot of decisions to wrestlers blanking on him getting out struck other than by chuck liddell

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 3, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Overeem?

I need to watch those fights again. My memory bank seems to have been robbed!!

by truck on Aug 3, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vitor was winning in their second fight, tagged Reem with few good ones. Then he quitted and lost.

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by dancingChicken on Aug 3, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overeem, Chuck and Saku.

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by Orcus on Aug 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This man has brought truth.

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by KingAtRock on Aug 3, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying Vitor’s fought better strikers than Anderson. I’m just saying Anderson hasn’t fought a striker like Vitor – and obviously Vitor hasn’t fought one like Anderson. So who knows?

by crazybones on Aug 3, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, I totally misunderstood. But my point stands – as much as people laud Anderson’s striking, he really hasn’t fought a great striker yet. Franklin and Griffin do certain things well, but neither of them can bring it like Vitor.

by crazybones on Aug 3, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying that

even though the consensus seems to be that Anderson hasn’t fought a striker with the caliber of Belfort (I disagree), Belfort has faced strikers that were inferior to Anderson’s level. That should scream louder IMO.

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by Orcus on Aug 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree...

I don’t think Gomi ever gets a title shot. Belfort is as little as one to zero fights away from one.

The only way Gomi has a chance at the belt if if Penn has completely lost his juice and comes out an loses again to Edgar, even at that rate, there are a number of guys who give him problems.

Belfort is closer to the title and always has a punchers chance, even against Andy. I think a win would be very unlikely, but Silva will strike with him and Belfort is always dangerous.

by truck on Aug 3, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he takes it seriously
and starts training in america
then we could very well see gomi rise up to the top of the division
i have my doubts about his ability to beat penn but i have no doubts he could rest comfortably at the top of the lw division if he puts in the work

we saw with penn how much taking training seriously can impact a persons performance in the ring and their work ethics are similar.
hopefully gomi had a moment of revelation like bj did
and realizes that hard work will be the key to seeing his full potential realized in the ufc

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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 3, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, but BJ’s been well rounded for a very long time, far before he ramped up his training. Gomi has some serious, serious holes in his game, and at 32, with over 10 years in the game, he’s not likely to fix them.

by crazybones on Aug 3, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I want

both to rise to the top, I think it is 4 years to late for both. Gomis lack of training (for years) leaves him to far behind the Florian/Penn fighters. Vitor has been in too many wars, I think part of his problems will be age/wear & tear/ground.

Gomi and Vitor will draw eyeballs and maybe win but not hold and defend a belt.

by Riney on Aug 3, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a funny article…as soon as Joe Daddy hit the mat I texted my buddy that “The old Vitor [was] back.”

Right leg: will hurt a little bit; left leg: will hurt even less.

by casey manrique on Aug 3, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and I was being ironic.

Right leg: will hurt a little bit; left leg: will hurt even less.

by casey manrique on Aug 3, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Tyson “Joe Daddy” Griffin. I think I had just read the insurance article.

by casey manrique on Aug 3, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gomi has more of a shot

I think. Considering who is at the top of the mountain – or will be again, in the LW division, and who is at the top of the MW division, I figure Gomi has the better shot, especially if he starts training in the US fulltime. I think we have seen the best the Vitor has to offer. I really don’t think he can beat Silva. However, Gomic can beat Penn or Edgar. Yeah, he lost to Penn once before, but if Penn starts to feel lazy (which he has in the past), Gomi has a possibility of beating him. Outside shot, I know. Realistically, I don’t think either guy holds the belt.

by pud333 on Aug 3, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Whether or not Belfort

can correct the many things he does wrong, he still has one hell of a chance to beat Anderson Silva and that’s the entire reason he was signed to the promotion.

Gomi would not have put in that kind of a performance had he been fighting his original opponent, Joe Stevenson. He got really lucky with the switch to Tyson “I’m coming in strong no matter what” Griffin.

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by Geno Mrosko on Aug 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Vitor, hasn't even had a fight at MW yet.

I am doubtful, at best, that he will be the same fighter at MW that he was at Franklin weight.

I would favor Gomi to hold the belt, just because he has the one thing no other top 5 LW (in the UFC) has. One punch knock out power. I think his power could be a great equilizer, he may not be the fastest but if he tags you with one of those bombs you are getting hurt. I would still favor BJ if they were to fight, but I still can’t wait to see how he does against Frankie, Maynard, or Evan Dunham.

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by KingAtRock on Aug 3, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get it

most people seem to accept that the “Old Gomi” is back. IF that is the case (I’m not so sure) why would his chances be so low at being the UFC champion? Old Gomi was the best in the world. He was a terror to take down and he will knock you the f out.

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by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

The sport has evolved...

Would old Gomi be the best now? Was old Gomi better than BJ “doesn’t train hard” Penn?

by truck on Aug 3, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He arguably would be

It’s not like Gomi was the best so long ago that his skill set doesn’t work any longer. When he is on form you can’t stand up with him and you can’t take him down. It’s like a LW Chuck Liddell.

The second part is an age old argument. For me, BJ is better than Gomi.

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by Chris Barton on Aug 3, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think BJ has the Chin to stand up with Gomi and outbox him, without falling to a Gomi Haymaker.

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by KingAtRock on Aug 3, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

but Gomi has a puncher’s chance and should be able to beat anyone else in the division on a good night

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 3, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It all just depends which belfort shows up to fight

anderson should call vitor and ask if the old one or new one is going to show. Then we can have this discussion.

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by greasefirelol on Aug 3, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Vitor’s got a better chance of wearing a belt since he’ll actually fight for a title, and Gomi won’t.

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