Will the Winner of UFC 119's Ryan Bader vs Antonio Rogerio Nogueira Be Next for Jon Jones?
by Kid Nate on Aug 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT
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That's what Jones' agent Malki Kawa tweeted earlier today:
Just so you guys know, @jonnybones did ask for any one of the guys you tweeted: forrest, franklin and couture. Let's see who'll step up and do it.
Right now it looks like winner of lil nog and bader. All are great opponents and @jonnybones would welcome the challenge.
So it appears that none of the aging lions of the UFC's 205lb class -- Rich Franklin, Forrest Griffin, or Randy Couture -- is eager to be fed to the fast rising Jones.
I can't say I blame them. Griffin openly said that Jones would "whoop his ass" and that he "hoped" Jones wouldn't be his next fight. Poor Rich Franklin has been faithfully jumping back and forth between 205lbs and 195lbs as needed by the UFC, but apparently Jones is a bridge too far.
And as for Randy Couture, there's just too much money in a final run at the title for "the Natural" to waste it on him losing to Jon Jones. Clearly the UFC needs to give him someone credible but not as dangerous as Jones to make that happen.
Having said all that, if Jones does get Bader or Nogueira, it will signal the end of his development phase. That fight would be a no joke #1 contenders bout. Either man is a significant jump up from the Hammill's, Vera's and Vladdy Matyushenko's Jones has been feasting on lately. And if Jones were to win that one, is he really ready for a title shot?
What do you think?
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Forrest has turned down Jones before
Dana protects Randy, so it won’t be him even though it should be
Jones against Bader is stupid. Don’t match up two great prospects just for the sake of doing so. Just like I thought the Cane/Carwin match was dumb when it was announced. Too many 205ers that they can face.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 29, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
If it's a number 1 contender fight
Then how is matching Jones and Bader doing it just for the sake of it? A number one contender fight or a title fight are the two perfect situations in which to match Bader and Jones, two fighters who will probably meet multiple times throughout their careers.
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Its not a #1 contender fight though . Rashad is the ......
……. number one guy and refuses to defend that title .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 29, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
genius, really.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
but with that holding out and waiting shit, it clogs up the lane and
I wish Randy would mount me too...
Exactly . Hes a fighter so fight ........
………. someone and prove you are the best guy to fight the champ .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 30, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not a matter of being afraid to fight,
It’s not a matter of being afraid to fight, it’s a matter of being afraid of injury that sits you out for 9 months and causes you to miss your shot at the title.
What does Rashad have to gain by fighting before a match with Shogun? Some extra cash which may or may not be enough to rationalize the risk of injury? The respect of fans who think that making a smart business move makes him less of a fighter? There are plenty of fighters in the division without having to worry about his not stepping up right now.
No your right ....
…. its not about being afraid to fight . And while I can see the injury angle , to me its more about him being afraid to lose his #1 contender status . If you really are the number one guy in line to fight the champ then whats to be afraid of ?
And to me the smart move is to give the folks that provide you your money and a steady living a show and not say , " Na I’ll just wait dude out " . Plain and simple fighters fight and hes a fighter . Also it just seems to me like he cherry picking a bit . And by that I mean he knows Shogun will not be at his best fresh off another surgery and just intends to take advantage of the situation .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 30, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He's fought
Chuck, Forrest, Lyoto, T. Silva, and Rampage in succession. I don’t think he’s cherry picking fights.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Aug 30, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Never said he ....
….. cherried those fights ( he did lay & pray / wall & stall to beat two of those fighters and got punked by Lyoto ) , but hes cherry pickin this one . So your tellin me that you think that Shogun is gonna be 100% for his fight with Rashad and theres no cherry pickin going on here ?
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by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 30, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
i say let them clog up the top for now....
i really think they are just holding the belt for Jones any way. His next fight should NOT be for the #1 contender-ship however. if he gets by Bader/Nog winner he should get the loser of Rampage/Machida. from that point he should be set up for a non rushed clear path to a #1 contenders fight. In my mind that would be the winner of the Rampage/Machida V the loser of Shogun/Evans. next would be the title fight.
that’s 3 fights until title fight and just about everything can go wrong i.e. injures, energy drink and piss drinking fiascoes, hereditary staff infections, camp switches or just baby-mama drama. i’m just hopin’…
by F'n Clownshoes on Aug 30, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I spoke with Jones at the Expo.....
He did say he will be fighting the winner of Bader and Lil Nog. And he did say he preferred to fight Nog. He said he wants to ight a south paw next and feels he would do well against Bader. I then proceeded to give hima chest bump. It was a lovely Bro-mance.
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This is the right step for Jones
Fighting winner of Lil Nog / Bader puts him into the upper echelon of the division. He cannot be coddles forever considering the tear he is on and the skill/power/determination he has shown. That said, that fight should NOT be a contender fight. If he beats lil nog/bader, he has then earned a contender fight. That could be against the loser of Machida/Rampage possibly. If he wins that, then he goes for the belt.
by Cocytus on Aug 29, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The winner of Jones/Bader-Nog vs Winner of Machida/Rampage for #1 contender at 205 makes sense. We have plenty of time since Shogun is out.
by ufc4 on Aug 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
that
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I think you do Jones/Bader-Nog as the number one contender fight. Get some fresh blood at the top of the division.
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You have a valid point as well.
I’m forced to apply critical thinking skills. I don’t like it.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
You can’t give me a “that” then agree with this guy too, what a ripoff.
by ufc4 on Aug 29, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I still agree
I just had to think about.
Here’ a rec.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they will have
And should they win a title fight they’ll have to continue to prove it.
The great thing about the UFC’s 205lbs division is that you can’t just coast by in the division.
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Over under on how long until we see one of SF’s top 3 HWs actually fight again?
I’m guessing six months.
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Overeem will fight again soon I'm sure
But yeah in SF, in fights that matter for that promotion.
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Jones/Bader-Nog winner IS already at the top of the division. But since Machida/Rampage winner is more than likely the next challenger after Rashad, it makes no sense to have Jones/Bader-Nog winner just sitting around. Have them fight loser of Machida/Rampage in the meantime and they will have definitely earned their title contention.
I can't buy Rampage/Machida as a number 1 contender fight
Simple reason being Rampage’s losses to Forrest and more recently Rashad and the convincing manner of Machida’s loss to Shogun.
I really don’t see any real issue with making the Jones fight for a title shot while letting Rampage and Machida get back a little more equity.
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by Worldisart on Aug 29, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hrm fair enough...
About Machida/Rampage. So let me adjust. Winner of Jones/Nog-Bader fights winner of Machida/Rampage.
Why burn a contender like that?
It’s an unnecessary fight. You’ll still probably get that fight but rather with someone wearing the strap.
There’s no need to over-complicate the naming of a number 1 contender. By booking too many fights on the path, especially when you don’t have a clear number 1 contender after Evans, you risk all kinds of injury or other circumstance.
The winner of a Jones/Nog-Bader fight is a fresh face, a new fight, not something stale and recycled like say a third Machida/Shogun fight.
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Because I don't consider it burning a contender.
IMO, neither Jones nor Bader nor Lil Nog have earned a fight against Shogun Rua even after whoever is the winner of Jones/Nog-Bader. That winner will have firmly planted themselves in the top 5 of the division.
Now, Machida doesn’t earn a title rematch just by beating Rampage, and the same can be said for Rampage. They both need one more fight at least. And that sets things up for a real #1 contender match. Winner of Machida/Rampage vs winner of Jones/Nog-Bader is a fully battle tested challenger to the belt. If Jones or Bader lost to winner of Machida/Rampage, they are still young and with great momentum behind them.
For me, the bottom line is, the winner of Jones/Nog-Bader will not have beaten a top 5 guy before going for the belt. I mean really, say Jones beats Bader, does beating Bader really mean you get a title shot? No. Same for Bader beating Jones.
The whole beating a top 5 guy thing
Is highly overrated. If he fights for the title, he’s fighting a top 5 guy, and if he wins then he’s beat a top 5 guy.
The other thing is, the winner of Bader/Nog is probably number 5 in the division anyway. I just have no driving desire to see a Shogun rematch with either Rampage or Machida, both those fights seem pretty stale to me. And I just can’t justify a title shot for Rampage if he doesn’t avenge either the loss to Forrest or the loss to Rashad.
Machida is a bit of a different story but even still, you’d have a hard time selling a rubber match there, and in the event that Rashad beats Shogun, you’ve just got a giant mess between those three fighters.
By pushing a Bader or a Jones toward the title you have someone to break up that trilogy of fighters at the top and inject some fresh matchmaking into the title picture.
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You really wouldn’t like to see Shogun/Rampage II? That fight’s long overdue.
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I don't think it is
Shogun is unquestionably the number 1 guy in the division and you’d have a hard time convincing me that Rampage is anywhere near a title shot. The man is 2-2 in his last four fights with victories over Wandy and Jardine and losses to Evans and Forrest. That doesn’t really reflect all that well on a fighter who is supposedly a contender.
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I understand the fresh blood thing, I really do
But in a division as deep as LHW, I just can’t justify getting a title shot because someone beat either Bader, Jones, or Lil Nog. Not that the UFC wouldn’t do it, I mean, hell, look no further than GSP vs Hardy for a title shot too early. To me, thats the kind of fight you get when the main priority is fresh blood. I just think that ANY up and comer, needs to face Machida, Rampage, Rashad, or Shogun to then fight for the belt.
Here's the thing
If you’re going to adhere so adamantly to this idea of beating ranked fighters as the be all and end all in regards to titles, you’re most likely to end up with champs who fight even less than they do now and stale rematches. I think the winner of Bader/Nog is the number 5 guy in the division and I have zero issue with the idea of a fight with that winner versus Jones determining a number 1 contender. I’d much rather see that guy fighting for a title than either Machida or Rampage at this point. Both those guys will get another chance to make a run at the top but they had theirs so they have to sit down for a bit and let someone else give it a shot.
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As a general rule of thumb
I agree that the stretches of time between the champ defending the belt may increase a bit. In the particular case of Shogun, who’s not fighting until spring against Rashad and then whoever wins that will need 3-5 months until the next fight, you would basically be shelving Jones or Bader for upwards of 6-8 months. Considering the fight schedule as it stands, the Jones/Bader fight will probably happen Dec/Jan.
And I don’t want another GSP/Hardy type fight. Getting to see GSP fight was great, but the match was not compelling before it happened (despite the tv specials), nor during its duration. And thats how I see the winner of Jones/Bader fighting for the belt.
I don’t like how the UFC handled Cain, shelving him for 7 months for fresh blood. Cain and JDS could have fought 2 months ago, and whoever won that would have been fighting Brock probably one ufc numbered event later than the upcoming fight. The loser would be back in the mix.
Heavyweight is a very different division than LightHeavyweight (or any of the others for that matter). There just isn’t a lot of talent at heavyweight for them to build multiple contenders on, I would bet that is why they went the route they did with Cain and JDS. In LH there is a glut of competent title contenders.
How on earth do you see Jones/Bader the same as Hardy?
Hardy decisioning Swick/Davis is the same thing as Jones destroying people? Do you watch the fights? Jones has been on a completely different level from these guys.
Dan Hardy basically had no answer for GSP and everyone knew it, he was arguably at a disadvantage standing and was basically certain to get taken down repeatedly anyway. His chance was a fluke KO: it’s not even close to the same thing. I think there’s a pretty good chance the Vegas line would favor Jones right now over Shogun let alone if he were to beat Bader. A -700 fight is just not the same thing as -200 at worst.
If Jones were +180 or so against Shogun, you wouldn’t like that bet?
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it does
You can make the argument that it shouldnt but look at Brock he beat Heath Herring to earn his title shot.
Even Shogun, Shogun beat Coleman and Liddell neither who was top 5 or top 10 if I recall correctly.
Frankie Edgar beat Franca, Sherk, and Veach none of who were top 5 when he faced them to get his title shot.
Like I said you can make the argument that it’s not right but it is how it is.
Brock Lesnar
This is kind of a pet peeve of mine but people have the reasoning for why Brock got his title shot all wrong. Randy specifically asked for that fight in order to return because he knew it was a big money fight.
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Ok my bad ufc4 and Worldisart
Brock didnt beat Herring to earn his title shot but Cocytus’ point was you should have to beat a top 5 guy in order to qualify for a title shot and it just doesnt happen like that all the time.
But you can just go on and on with examples. Clay Guida and Joe Stevenson were not top 5 guys and that’s all Sanchez has to beat to get a title shot.
And where my Brock example was off base, Sanchez, Edgar, Shogun are all valid examples of people who have fought for the belt without beating a top 5 guy.
Different divisions, different standards
The 155lbs division is not nearly as consolidated in the UFC as the 205lbs division is. In the context of the UFC, at the time, Stevenson and Guida are both borderline top 5 wins.
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I agree with this. It’s time to stir the pot a bit, rather than fall into a stretch of rematches. If Rampage somehow looks amazing and crushes Lyoto (unlikely as that is), then perhaps a Shogun/Rampage rematch for the title would be the way to go. But, if Shogun is going to be out until spring, it’s time to sort out who’s who in a pretty murky LHW division, and inject some new blood into the contender level fights. And if Bader is close to a title shot, Jon Jones should already have one. Bader and Minotoro have each had close fights recently. No one has even been able to function as a “test” for Jon yet.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Aug 30, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The rankings are idiotic "career snapshots" with little real-time use in most cases
Jones is easily 1 of the 5 best LHWs in the world in the only rankings that really matter – there are not even 3 guys who would be favored against him if the fight were announced tomorrow.
Shogun, Machida, Anderson and Rashad might open as close to even or only slight dogs to Jones, no one else would be better than +250, and probably more like +400.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 30, 2010 12:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, good points as well. LHW is deep, but right now there’s just this miasma of guys outside the top three. And who else has an even shot against Shogun, Lyoto or Rashad? Jon is the only one in that realm.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Aug 30, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Rankings go by what you’ve actually accomplished, not who you’d be favored to beat in a theoretical matchup. At this point, Jon Jones’ best win is over Brandon Vera. That does not make you a Top 5 LHW, no matter how awesome everyone thinks you are.
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Vera was ranked higher than Vladdy at the time Jones fought him, which is why Vera is the better win , regardless of whether or not you think Vladdy is the better fighter of the two.
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I'm going to have to disagree with that.
For one, because Vladdy was doing better than Vera and for two, because who is higher in the “rankings” is completely disputable considering there are no real rankings.
Vladdy > Vera, and I stand by it.
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No, they don't
They should be an objective look, like NCAA FB & BB try to be, but instead they are a mis-mash of perceptions of what they’ve done + what a fighter has actually done in recent years.
Rankings should take into account who you beat, how you beat them, how they have been in recent fights and how it appears you will fare in future hypothetical fights.
Otherwise guys like Hughes, Coleman, Wandy and the like should still be top-5 guys, unless you are only talking about what they’ve done in the last 3 years or so. And if you are talking about the last 3 years or so…
If you think victory over opponents high in some imaginary rankings are what matter most, explain Forrest, Rampage and Thiago Silva.
Rampage has exactly ZERO wins over top guys since he fought Liddell (who was beginning his slide). An over-the-hill Wandy and never-was Jardine? Please…
Forrest has exactly ONE win ever over a top ranked guy, and that’s Rampage (beating a Shogun who came into the fight injured doesn’t count, or if it does, explain how Shogun got his shot based on your criteria).
Thiago Silva has beaten no one of note, and lost to Rashad & Machida.
The only guys who should outrank Jones on any objective criteria are Machida, Rashad and Rua. Based on objective criteria, no one else has a truly valid argument, looking at their last 3 years. That’s it, period.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 30, 2010 8:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
beating a Shogun who came into the fight injured doesn’t count,
And why doesn’t that count? Fighters come into fights injured all the time, hell Forrest Griffen went into that fight injured and had to have surgery after it was over too.
It’s funny that you wrote a post about why opinion based rankings are wrong yet you filled it with your own personal opinions about who should be ranked where and why.
I never said opinion based rankings are wrong,
I was replying to Brian Mayes explaining why his version of rankings criteria was flawed.
MMA rankings will always be largely opinion based, my gripe in this instance is with the double standard for Jones.
Guys like Lesnar, Hardy, Rogers, Thiago Silva and many others get top-10 rankings without any wins over anyone of note, yet Jones has not been beaten and has absolutely ruined top-25 guys yet gets no love in the rankings.
The bottom line is he is 1 of the 5 or 6 best LHWs in the world, and anyone who thinks otherwise either has something personal against him or they lack the ability to reasonably see that there would be at most 4 guys who would enter a match with him as no worse than +150 (Rua, Anderson, Machida, Rashad).
The rest is just background noise…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 30, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
John Jones is ranked 9 in the consensus rankings. I imagine Mo will be slipping down and Anderson Silva shouldn’t really be ranked in LH anyway so that would slide Jones down to 7 on the practical side. 5 of the 6 LH guys in front of him in the UFC are recent former world champions. He’s ranked damn high for someone who hasn’t fought anyone beyond Brandon Vera yet, I don’t see much of a double standard for Jones here and if there is it’s definately a double standard in his favor.
Rankings are subjective, and don’t have much to do with anything, other than arguments about rankings. Dan Hardy, Diego Sanchez and Shogun himself weren’t Top 5 when they got title shots, and damn near everyone was fine with it. Jon’s victories have all been far more impressive than any those three put together in the UFC. I don’t need to see endless cycles of rematches based on mathematical hierarchy to satisfy some conceit that this is a “legitimate” numbers based sport, where rankings, scores, wins, or what have you, trump good matchmaking, and the ability to make fights fans want to see. I do agree that Las Vegas shouldn’t be dictating matchups based on odds, it’s just another useful perspective on the situation.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Aug 30, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point I’m just looking forward to Jon Jones vs. Cain Velasquez at New Years’ Eve 2012.
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by JJB73 on Aug 29, 2010 11:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's time really
Nut up or shut up time for Jones.
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Nut up or shut up?
You make it sound like Jones is ducking opponents.
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He’s talking about Jones’s sex life. There’s a reason they call him “Bones.”
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He's talker, huh?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably should've worded it better
But its time for the UFC to nut up or shut up. Jones needs a legit challenge, because all of these supposed “legitimate” challenges from his previous fights are just getting fn mangled out there.
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones is still only 23
And I have no issue with the way the UFC has handled up to this point. A fight with the winner of Lil Nog/Bader makes sense, lets see what context they add to that matchup.
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I wasn't one of the people begging for a title shot 2 fights into his career by any means
But this “progression” you mention has seemed pretty tame
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
He was fighting guys in Hammill/Vera/Matushenko, who 10-20 guys, now he’s going to start fighting 5-10 guys, then he gets to fight top 5 and then the king of the mountain.
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Let me ask you this
How much of shot do you give Jones against Shogun
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now?
Pretty good, but I think Jones is a competitive fight for anyone in the division right now. He presents unique challenges that no one else does. There is a need to build equity for him with the fans BUT I don’t feel like he’s in over his head in any fight they book him in.
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Whats it gonna take to convince you that this equity is built?
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Beating the winner of Bader/Nog
That’s what it’s going to take. He wins that fight and I’m comfortable with him fighting the champ.
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I thought that was what we were talking about??
Damn I’m dumb, I gotta be more specific
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you were referring to the fights he had up to this point and you seemed unhappy with the matchmaking. My point was it seemed fine to me and I’m comfortable throwing him into this particular fight and making it a number 1 contenders fight.
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My wife (that I don't have) is always on my back about this
Yea, what your saying there is what I was trying to say. I thought you were arguing that even after the Nog/Bader winner he needed more fights before a title shot
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones is ready
I don’t see a lot of value in trying to shoehorn him into another intermediary fight before he faces a top 5-6 guy in the division. I think Forrest was only half joking about what Jones would do to him if they fought, and I tend to agree with him. If Bader or Lil Nog beat him, it wouldn’t even be that huge of a setback for him, and it would be a huge boost for the winner. He’s got the talent, he’s got the experience and fans want to see him in meaningful fights.
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Jones should win this fight, then I want him to fight one of the top 4 of Shogun, Rashad, Machida, and Rampage before he gets a title shot. That way he is totally prepared and took that last and final step up into the very elite category. He shouldn’t get a title shot if he beats the winner of this fight.
Hard core MMA fan since UFC 99
espeically if it is Bader
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 29, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're good enough, you're old enough.
At this point in Bones’ career, a title may seem premature, but if he’s capable of beating the champ, he must be ready.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
You've all seen Jones fight.
Now tell me how the hell is he NOT ready for Bader/Lil nog.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Aug 29, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
Jones vs. the winner of Bader/Lil Nog sounds good to me...
And as for Randy Couture, there’s just too much money in a final run at the title for “the Natural” to waste it on him losing to Jon Jones. Clearly the UFC needs to give him someone credible but not as dangerous as Jones to make that happen.
I’m seriously starting to think they’ll probably do Couture/Franklin for precisely that criteria.
Yeah, just occurred to me, especially after seeing Dana say on one of the post UFC 118 vids that Randy was in the mix, and even the current champ Shogun’s mentioned before that Randy’s one of the guys he would be interested in defending his title against. As mentioned in the article, there’s probably some money in having Randy make a final run at the title and probably don’t want to blow that just yet. Whereas Jones is young and still has time to develop. I really don’t see them making Jones/Bader-Lil Nog a #1 contender’s match, especially since there’s still so much time until Shogun returns in early 2011, not to mention Rashad still has first dibs against the champ.
Forgot to mention:
If Bader wins, Jones via crane kick
Nog wins, Jones via full nelson german suplex.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
From the top of the cage?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
From anywhere. Those things are damn vicious. His reach is so damn long that if he’d elbow a guy, it would be like if he tried to punch them.
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They call those Hellbows now.
There’s a huge chance that’s exactly how he’d finish Nog.
He throws elbows like he’s swinging a club.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Its what the kids call me
on the streets.
You can call me whatever you like. My favorites are Farnsy, Mr. Farnsworth and the Farns.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll forever be know to me as
“STRANGLEPORN”
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon, dude.
That was one time….. my attorney said it was cool.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Our discussion of STRANGLEPORN was the only interesting thing to come out of that Bellator thread
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the clash of the titans? Tell me that didn’t get you going.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe a semi
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe?
Maybe someone’s trying to down play their bad MMA erection?
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean
When you know, you know
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well done
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What if Jones came running at him with his hands down and mouth open?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s old school.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Dropped a cigarette ash on his carpet.
He made pick it up…. with my anus.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This ol boy wants me to sneak a daquiri in up by butt
Frozen or the mix?
Frozen.
Ooo that’d be so cold.
Mad rec’age to anyone who knows what thats from
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea
but I’m watching it when I find out.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was a little off. ATHF- Bart Oates
Meatwad: Hey, my man over here, he wants a daiquiri now. He says I gots to smuggle one back in up my butt hole.
Master Shake: Woah. Fresh or the mixed.
Meatwad: Fresh.
Master Shake: Oh God, that would be so cold.
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have known.
That is cold, BTW.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Personal experience?
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard things....
turrible things….
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Teeth still chattering?
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the sound of ice cubes…..
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Have we ever talked about play-doh butt fries?
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by II SMASH II on Aug 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
No
And I hope we never have to.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Please, feast your eyes upon that my friend
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=play-do%20butt%20fries
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by II SMASH II on Aug 30, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That's disgusting.
truly
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yooooo
Lets talks chiefs/eagles buddy
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I shouldn’t care but it really annoyed me that we lost in the last minute. The first 2 and last 2 minutes sucked, the 56 in between we looked great.
No joke
Those last 2 minutes it was like no one gave a fuck. At all. The touchdown was scored and we just walked to the sidelines all “O well, theres next week”
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by II SMASH II on Aug 29, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I can imagine Couture vs. Jones
as Couture’s last fight. Sort of like passing the torch to a new generation of fighters.
Don't say that
Snowden suggested the exact same thing for Chuck Liddell and everyone shit their pants.
Couture/Franklin has to happen.
Randy is going to be given his title shot, regardless. Dana owes Franklin a big payday for all the shitty fights he takes.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Franklin has fought on a bunch of cards in other countries.
That must be exhausting.
"Girls are mean." Lisa Ward
Good point.
What sucks about that, Randy’s probably the only guy ‘real’ Americans like more than Franklin. He’ll come back home to a pro-Randy crowd.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like the Liddell fight.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 29, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
For fuck’s sake, his nickname is Captain America. And he’s kinda sexy for a 47 year old man.
"Girls are mean." Lisa Ward
Don’t let Randy hear that.(He thinks he’s 24)
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s no doubt about that one. Just ask his ex wives. Or his daughter’s friends. I kid, I kid.
I seen Randy at 102, we all went ape shit. And I’m a Nogueira fan.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
It’s aiight.
I’m married to a man that cooks, cleans, works and is damn sexy.
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So you married UFC4?
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by II SMASH II on Aug 30, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure but
i think ufc4 is Jon Jones.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish
If I was I’d have a lot better things to do with my time than hang out here with you losers. Like watching YouTube videos.
We're in a fight
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by II SMASH II on Aug 30, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Fitch style?
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by II SMASH II on Aug 30, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean I got a futon bro
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by II SMASH II on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You got some standards man
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by II SMASH II on Aug 30, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
That is one funny fuckin guy
IDC who you are.
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by II SMASH II on Aug 30, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I said
But apparently only 2 people listened. Dana White was not one of them.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
How did Bader and Lil Nog become top contenders in the LH division? Bader is a top prospect but he’s still just a prospect 12 fights into him MMA career and Lil Nog barely got bo Jason Brilz. Fighting the winner of Lil Nog vs bader seems like a logical development step for Jones not a number one contender’s match against top competition. Jones is still two a three steps away from a title fight and I’m just not seeing where Nog or Bader is that huge of a step up over Brandon Vera. Heck if you are wanting to build Jones up, feed him Tito, that’s a fight that would get him some real spotlight attention for a potential title run.
As far Rich Franklin he’s still out for a while with his broken arm and Randy Couture getting a title shot, well he’s Randy freaken Couture, the majority of the fights in his career have been title fights. If they sign him to fight for a belt(any belt) then none of the fighters will be that upset about it.
I agree, and imo, i thought Jason won the Lil Nog fight.
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Reply fail
so here it is again
Tell me the three wins
you think it would be reasonable for Jones to have to earn before he gets his title shot.
I’ll wait.
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by Monte Fisto on Aug 30, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Bader/Lil Nog as moving up in competition.
Tito/Franklin for getting up to main event PPV draw status
Rampage/Griffin/Machida/etc. for actually beating a current tltle contender(any title contender) and proving he should be next in line.
Jones may very well be the future of the LH division but he’s a fight night level fighter who has yet to prove much of anything against top competition in the most talent filled division in the sport. He’s also not a PPV headling draw yet, which seems the next logical step after him headlining free shows.
So in that time who is going to fight Shogun?
Because Rampage and Machida sure as hell don’t deserve title shots. It’s Rashad and who else?
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You are talking next March before Shogun fights anyone at all and then 3 to 4 months after that before they even have to worry about his next opponent after Rashad Evans. We are talking next June/July at the earliest before any of this matters. Jones could possibly fight two to three times by then and be ready for a fall 2011 title fight. There is no rush in the Light Heavyweight division currently. They could do Rashad and then Randy Couture and then pencil in John Jones (if he makes it that far) for this time next year and no one would bat an eye.
The UFC is very close to selling a headline fight featuring Gray Maynard and Frankie Edgar
So I’m having a hard time buying the logic of the argument that they somehow won’t be able to sell the dynamic, charismatic, fight-ending Jones as a PPV draw. The Tito-Franklin fight would be pointless, and a I severely doubt Tito would take it. At most I think Jones is two fights out, but I think that may even be excessive.
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by Monte Fisto on Aug 30, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
And everyone is grouching about how Maynard vs Edgar is going to be very hard to sell.
Besides they have the time, Shogun is out till next spring and Rashad is already waiting in the wings, we are talking darn near a year before anyone else at all is fighting for that belt. So is what people are saying here that the winner of Nog/Bader vs Jones should sit on the sidelines and do nothing for 6 to 8 months waiting for a title shot? Yea that is really going to build up a PPV drawing fighter…….
It's hard to sell because both fighters don't finish fights and are not
Dynamic and “star-like” as Jones pretty much is. Maynard is very much LnP and Edgar is very active but possesses no KO power. Jones is insanely athletic, strong, and is throwing people around the cage at will.
I think all Jones needs is one impressive PPV performance and his stock rises even higher.
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Dynamic and "star-like" as Jones
Sure he’s exciting to watch but where are these “star like” fight build ups you are talking about? John Jones is a hardcore bandwagon dream but honestly fight build up ability and competition faced are still some big question marks here? He’s a 23 year old prospect who has only had 12 fights, he’s only been fighting since 2008. He’s good, heck he’s amazing but he’s still got quite a ways to go yet. Don’t ride that bandwagon too hard or you will ride the guy out before his time.
Shogun got a title shot after losing to Forrest Griffin, barely beating Mark Coleman
And KOing a shot Chuck Liddell.
How did that turn out?
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he did "lose"
And now he’s the champion in an immediate rematch.
I think if Jones beats the Bader/Lil ’Nog winner he should get the title shot.
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
How did Lil Nog become a contender?
By winning his last 7 fights, going 2-0 in the UFC, and beating Matsyushenk in Affliction. If he beats Bader, he definitely should be in contender discussions.
by John Nash on Aug 30, 2010 1:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And who did he beat in that 7 win run? He’s got a good win over Cane in there but other than that nothing stands out and the Brilz decision was pretty questionable. Beating Matyushenko may make you a contender for the IFL title but I’m not sure how that makes you a contender for the UFC belt? Lil Nog is a solid veteran but he’s not his brother, he’s never contended for a belt.
Tell me the three wins
you think it would be reasonable for Jones to have to earn before he gets his title shot.
I’ll wait.
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Wow talk about reaching, the fact is that Forrest, Franklin and Couture don’t turn down fights and if the UFC wanted them to face Jones they would. Not to mention that just because Jones has tons of hype doesn’t mean he would be the favorite over any of these guys. Seriously the hyperbole around this guy has gone to insane levels to even suggest that these former champs are ducking a guy who hasn’t even beaten a top 10 fighter is beyond ignorant.
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Forrest doesn't turn down fights
Except saying he doesn’t want to fight Machida.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/29/561470/nobody-wants-to-fight-lyot
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He has employed an interesting strategy
Of course we don’t know what he says behind closed doors. But going on national radio shows and saying that someone will whip your ass and you don’t have a chance against them pretty well makes Joe Silva think “nope, I will not put that one together” because he and the UFC would look like fools feeding rabbits to lions. He publicly mused a similar idea when presented with the prospect of fighting little nog by a reporter(the reporter heard a report about the match being made)and thus the match was not made. He has carefully found a way to avoid matches that he will lose. And when asked who he would like to fight?, he talks of Sozinsky, Couture, Hamil and Jarod Hamman!
by SimplePsych on Aug 30, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Forrest/Machida was actually supposed to happen at UFC 70
But Forrest was sick and pulled out.
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, yeah he did didn't he?
Not hard to do. Just complain to a doctor and have him make a report for you.
by SimplePsych on Aug 30, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a fistophobic
Which in medical terms means “fear of getting savagely destroyed by heavy handed fighter”. Anderson Silva could not cure him.
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Forrest had a pretty serious case of staph infection, and literally had a hole in his knee IIRC.
When he recovered, they offered him the fight with Machida again at UFC 76. He actually asked for Shogun instead, who at the time was the consensus #1 light heavyweight in the world. We all know how that turned out.
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by Brian Mayes on Aug 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Machida beat someone high as giraffe pussy that night
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by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Forrest was signed to fight Lil Nog, even after saying he was a "bad matchup" for him
He pulled out with some sort of injury and Brilz was a short-notice replacement.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 30, 2010 1:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, what was that injury?
He appears to do that allot, Machida, then Little Nog
And yet he still showed up to fight Anderson,
interesting…
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
He injured his shoulder and had to have surgery on it. You’re acting like he made up an excuse out of thin air.
Dude has fought Shogun Rua, Quinton Jackson and Anderson Silva when they were considered to be #1 in their respective divisions. If he was a coward like you claim he is, I would think he would have avoided those matchups as well.
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I did not say coward, you did excuse man
And the excuse man is here for Griffin, everyone pay attention now!
He did not employ this strategy, nor did I ever imply he did, until AFTER fighting AS. So your comment is useless. Try again excuse man.
by SimplePsych on Aug 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Good grief……. No reason to be a dick just because other people don’t agree with your opinions, heck this is the internet disagreement is to be expected on every opinion offered.
This is a very stupid thing to get upset over. All fighters get hurt all the time and it’s pretty common in this sport for guys to either fight injured or have to pull out of fights due to injury. Unless you are Forrest Griffin’s physician of record then your personal opinion on whether he was faking an injury is 100% irrelevant to this discussion. If there was a reported injury then there was a reported injury.
If you think Franklin or Griffin would be a betting favorite over Jones
you are out of your mind. Because those fights are actually a possibility, I’d like to offer you a sig bet that if either of them ever happen, Jones goes off as a favorite at fight time.
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by Monte Fisto on Aug 30, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a potential Jones vs Rogerio Nogueira fight could be very, very interesting. Jones, for all his tools, still posts his arms very deeply inside of the guard – he did it against Vera and Vladdy. Against a high level guard player like Rogerio, that would be match set, game over.
On the feet, it would be a much more competitive fight. Rogerio has been very hittable at times – he was put out cold by Sokodjou, and rocked badly by Jason Brilz of all people – but Jones has shown in the past to be befuddled by anyone who’s stuck a basic jab in his face, which is one of the reasons I’ve always felt he shoots for takedowns so quickly. That fight would be highly, highly competitive.
A Ryan Bader vs Jon Jones fight wouldn’t be nearly as interesting, although Bader is certainly a lot tougher of a matchup than Vladdy or even Brandon Vera.
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I think Bader/Jones is very intriguing
Bader has KO power but his boxing technique stinks. He also has very good wrestling and I don’t think he’s lost.
Jones has a “pick your poison” set of strikes that aren’t even punches and he has had no trouble taking down any of his opponents.
Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.
by SSreporters on Aug 30, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Bader has so-so cardio and essentially stops fighting in the second round of all of his fights. He dropped the second round to Red Shaffer and Keith Jardine because he got tired, before finding it within himself to come back and win those fights. You can’t take a 5 minute breather against Jon Jones and get away with it. He’s too good of an offensive fighter and he’s not going to let you off the hook that easy.
And Jones’ flashy spinning elbows and such are going to get him in deep trouble the first time he faces a real striker. Instead of practising a proper jab, which with his reach would make him an extremely effective striker, he instead works on flashy techniques that take a long time to set up. Instead of putting a jab in a man’s face the whole time they’re on the feet, he’s standing around throwing the occasional leg kick and looking for a spinning back elbow to set up a takedown. While entertaining, that’s not horribly effective once you run into someone who can really, really strike. What in the world is he going to do if he has to fight someone like Machida? That stuff simply won’t fly then.
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by Brian Mayes on Aug 30, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 30, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Forrest Griffin vs. Rich Franklin
would be fun and a good barometer of where each of them is at. i’ve overheard some rumblings that this could be a very real possibility late this year or early 2011.
Bader versus Jones
That would be a great fight, but I like both figthers and want to see both of them get developed further before we throw them at each other.
I think Jones...
…needs to fight a few more legit guys than just Bader/Nog winner. That’s why I would like to see him face the winner of Rampage/Machida after that first. At this point he has been coddled (none of the guys he has faced thus far are ever going to be in title contention), but I would like to see him fight more than once in the upper echelon before he gets a title shot. It would be a shame if he got his title shot so early that he wasn’t ready for it. I’d rather see him stumble before he gets there than to have him do it at the belt because he wasn’t ready.
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