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UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn 2 Post-Fight Recap and Analysis

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-Let me eat some crow to start. I thought it was Frankie Edgar that needed to make the adjustments in his rematch with B.J. Penn. I thought he did a good job at keeping the fight close and then taking a couple of rounds late as B.J. faded down the straight. I wondered, though, what adjustments he could even make. Well, Frankie found one. Do what he did in the first fight...better. I imagine the ten rounds between Penn and Edgar looks like a radiant color graph. It starts out heavy on Penn, then gradually moves toward Edgar until he's dominating the canvas.

-I scored this fight 50-45 for Edgar, and I don't think there will be any controversy about any of those rounds. Penn had his moments, but my notes are filled with things like "Penn looks flat" and "Edgar is making Penn react to him." In addition to the high pace he pushed, Edgar did a really good job throwing strikes coming in and out of clinches, feinted/failed takedown attempts, etc.

-What about Penn? I noted that he appeared emotionless on his way to and inside of the cage. He looked flat in the opening rounds. In round five, needing a stoppage for victory, Penn fought with zero urgency. He scored a takedown, almost took Edgar's back in a scramble, and then looked to give up when Edgar was able to turn into Penn's guard.

-Ultimately, Penn made zero adjustments in between the two fights and then made zero adjustments during the fight itself. Regardless of whether he needs to join another fight camp or bring in better people to help him, Penn needs to do alter his corner in some manner. As Joe Rogan noted, Penn's corner had nothing to offer him in terms of technical or tactical pointers and resorted to half-time pep talks instead.

Undercard thoughts after the break.

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-What can be said about the Toney fiasco? Couture shot a low single that caused Toney to just about trip over himself. From there it was academic. Couture gets mount. Toney has no ability to escape. Punches. Randy takes forever to lock in the arm triangle. Game.

-Demian Maia looked very impressive again. Joe Rogan seemed surprised that Maia took Miranda down as easily as he did. I guess he forgot what he did to Chael Sonnen? Maia impresses me with what I call grappling angles, for lack of any other term. At some point in the fight, Miranda start to work back up. The traditional move for the man on top is to maintain a double leg and try to pull the hips back out. Maia, instead, changes angles, moving to the side to start trying to take the back.

-More time for me to eat crow. My gut told me that Maynard's wrestling would be the trump card in his fight with Kenny Florian. Watching the tape, I worried that he would try to box and that Florian's dynamic game would overcome Maynard on the feet. Oops. I actually had Florian winning round one up until the end, and I ultimately the round 10-10. From that point on, though, it was all Maynard.

-Marcus Davis's last four losses are to guys who breach six feet in height. I'm not sure if that's the sole reason he lost tonight (because he's getting up there in years), but Diaz utilized his length in a way that escapes a lot of taller fighters. Davis actually landed a handful of strikes that may have been the best of the fight, but Diaz came through with the boxing style that the Diaz boys have been using to confuse plenty of fighters over the last few years. I still don't know how it works. It seems so slow and awkward. But goddamn is it effective.

-I thought Joe Lauzon looked much more built tonight. Did anyone else get that feeling from looking at him?

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Agreed

The Maynard Kenny fight just featured two fighters who were two afraid to engage. I think Kenny has a tendency of over thinking fights sometimes. And Maia Miranda just had Maia dominate the whole fight without being able to get the sub. Props to Miranda and to Maia for dominating, but it didn’t make for good television. That being said, the Diaz fight and the emergence of Edgar were worth the ten dollar cover I paid at the bar.

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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly...

hasn’t this been the standard for any fight recently that rewards a title shot to the winner? I’d like to see Dana stop adding that to fights. Instead, he needs to have it be much more qualified based on performance, not simply earning a win.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Aug 29, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

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by crinow on Aug 29, 2010 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You miss the point...

recently Dana has been declaring that the winner of fight X will get the next title shot in that division, unanimously those bouts come out boring conservative affairs and I don’t think its a coincidence.

Also, never underestimate the importance of the entertainment aspect of this sport. For the longest time this was the norm and it worked well, I’m not entirely sure why Dana has changed form.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Aug 29, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Almost agree

I’d put Maynard-Florian as the worst fight of the year as it was for a title shot. Winner-Lentz was meaningless. Back pedal, back pedal, shoot, LnP. Ugh.

by Ironbuddha on Aug 29, 2010 1:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Worse fight of this year

Worse than cote/almeida overall? Tough call, only because I don’t want to have to sit through UFC 86 again.

by Ironbuddha on Aug 29, 2010 1:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I liked the Maia, and the Louzon fight.

wasn’t a bar burner but I thought it was enjoyable.

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by KingAtRock on Aug 29, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maia fight was okay but not wildly entertaining

Lauzon’s win was awesome but predictable.

I forgot Miller/Salter was very good and the sub was excellent.

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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow i forgot Miller's win too.

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by KingAtRock on Aug 29, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to say it, this card sucked with the exception of the main event. rec’d for echoing sentiments.

by cyke on Aug 29, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Davis vs Diaz was a war, fight of the night easily.

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by Thats It For you! on Aug 29, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ive seen better, but still doesn’t make up for the event.

by cyke on Aug 29, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldnt ask for a better start to a PPV, 3 full rounds of action with epic finish

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by Thats It For you! on Aug 29, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was at the event

and there was luls such as the kenny and lentz fights but the diaz and bj fight had the crowd pumped and during the lauzon beast mode i have never felt a crazy energy like that before

by brendan45 on Aug 29, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Fitch and Shields had a baby his name would be Nick Lentz....

If I had a gun, I would have blown my brains out during that one.

by frizzkills on Aug 29, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I said that the other day.

I just didn’t see the excitement in this card.

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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see his EYES when he was taken down?

He looked lost. Like Frankie shouldn’t be able to do it. As soon as I saw those eyes in the 1st, I knew it was Frankie’s fight to lose. ’

BJ’s take-down invincibility at lightweight was gone.

by Jonathan. on Aug 29, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he was lost. As soon as things don’t go his way, he shuts down.

by pud333 on Aug 29, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hope you made some money

Bridge-jumping on Couture, even though you lost on Florian and Penn.

I lost on Penn as well but ended up way up thanks to Randy.

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by Jeremiah Johnson. on Aug 29, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Props to Edgar for thoroughly dominating the once-dominant former LW champ but the UFC is gonna have a lot of work to do selling the card that is headlined by Edgar-Maynard to the casual fan. That card is either going to need two title fights or a Chuck Liddell-Forrest Griffin type fight in the co-main slot to have any hopes of selling over 400,000 PPV’s.

by ufc4 on Aug 29, 2010 1:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don’t see why they can’t make Edgar into a star.

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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he doesn't finish people

Why does no one understand this?

Edgar is the best LW in the world but he’s not a highlight reel fighter.

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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

GSP doesn't finish people...

Or hasn’t recently at least.

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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

He systematically destroys them

And his star was made because of how he finished people.

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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Edgar just DESTROYED Penn

You may be right, but I think there is something there.

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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True.

But Edgar did not blast him to the tune of disfiguring him like GSP did with Fitch, or nearly snap his arm in half like Hardy.

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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling the damage Edgar just did to Penn...

will be less superficial and run much, much deeper.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Aug 29, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It also helps that he has en entire country rooting for him.

by ufc4 on Aug 29, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

it probably doesn't help that

Penn has the best chin at LW. Edgar was cracking him especially the last two rounds and nothing really wobbled him until that knee near the end and it wasn’t like it rocked Penn hard either.

Anyone that says this was a boring fight is a retard. He outboxed the best LW boxer. He out wrestled a guy that is said to be near impossible to take down. He escaped one of the top 5 BJJ practitioners when he was on the bottom in mount.

Frankie did a lot to prove that he deserves to be the champion.

by mmaaddict on Aug 29, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not only can he not finish, he has the personality of drying paint. Both Edgar and Maynard will be fiscal albatrosses for the UFC.

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by Monte Fisto on Aug 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You must be new to the UFC...

they’ve managed and made boat loads off of much, much less compelling fighters.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Aug 29, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

which ones, exactly?

I’m not all that new to the UFC, and I can’t remember any former champions with blander personalities or weaker finishing percentages than either Edgar or Maynard.

The UFC is like a license to print money, and I have no expectation that will end anytime soon, but I don’t see them making boatloads of money off of Edgar and/or Maynard. They haven’t demonstrated any ability to sell fights, or to deliver the dramatic finishes that let fights sell themselves. They will be anchors on whatever PPVs they occupy.

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by Monte Fisto on Aug 29, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will have to be a bigger title fight above it on the card.

No way in hell will I pay to watch that fight as a main event.

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by a tommy point on Aug 29, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a time

when a non-BJ LW main event selling over 400,000 buys was a pipe dream.

Still, Stick Edgar vs. Maynard as the c-main event of St. Pierre vs. Kos or put it for free on Spike (good way to get Frankie over).

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by hobbie on Aug 29, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no way they headline a card with Edgar/Maynard.

I say put it on the Super Bowl card with Silva/Sonnen 2 as the main event.

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by TitanFan2K on Aug 29, 2010 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

and have Sonnen start shit-talking Maynard until he stops being so boring. Unfortunately, gray maynard is going to be the LW champ for a while

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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least BJ Penn was true to form tonight.

Inconsistent, at best. Props to Edgar. There is no doubt this time.

by pud333 on Aug 29, 2010 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m a huge BJ fan but he clearly needs better gameplanning. He could have taken this fight if he focused on taking Frankie to the ground instead of trying to make it a boxing match.

by MMABookworm on Aug 29, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions  

That is what he always has done though. Fight the other guy’s fight and then beat them at it. He just can’t handle the speed of Edgar liked he couldn’t handle the power of St. Pierre. He has no game plan, no discipline… just sheer talent. It’s over now, he can’t keep up with a guy that fast.

by PORkSOdA on Aug 29, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should switch up training camps

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by htodog on Aug 29, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

look at the advice he gets in his corner. when you are the head honcho at your gym, it seems like no one has the ball sot call you out or be candid.

he can get takedowns, has world class bjj, but he is still of the breed that doesn’t transition them. GSP recognizes a takedown is part of a combination, etc. 1-2- takedown. The whole fight Penn has to be aware of other things frankie could do. BJ was overly predictable, and always is. What did Frankie have to fear or at least be aware of? Nothing, and again we see his confidence grow as the fight goes on. What I find ironic is Frankies corner tells him after one of the earlier rounds that he is too predictable. BJ could have used this adivce.

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by crinow on Aug 29, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Penn also showed absolutely no idea how to handle a fighter who is FASTER than him. He has many physical advantages over Edgar, but he used none of them because he’s so used to being the faster fighter that he just seemed lost.

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by AJB on Aug 29, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keyword: "Gameplanning"

I think the days of going into a fight and believing you can OVERPOWER them is long gone. You have to have a gameplan of how you can systematically beat your opponent. GSP could probably overpower many of his opponents, but he consistently goes into fights with a strict (yet boring) gameplan and wins the fight by dominating rounds.

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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe this will motivate Penn.

nah, I’m just kidding. Welcome the new 155 and 170 gate keeper. I expect Penn/Sherk II, Penn/Hughes III, and Penn/Sanchez II as Penn floats between weight classes “testing” and getting thrown into “superfights” with other people that are no longer title threats but can still fill seats.

by john_richmond_martin on Aug 29, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Penn/Gomi pleaseeeeeee

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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Penn/Sotiropoulis?

I’d like to see that one now.

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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Penn vs. Gomi

In Hawaii could still be an epic fight. Also really crossing my fingers we get to see Penn/Hughes 3.

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by hobbie on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diaz/Alves.

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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jumping the gun there.

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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was a suggestion not a fact.

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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And I’m saying I’m not high on that suggestion.

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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

That reply makes literally zero sense.

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by James Brady on Aug 29, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I misunderstood what he said.

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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's cool.

Didn’t mean offense or anything I was just pretty darn confused

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by James Brady on Aug 29, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not the only one eating crow tonight, sir

Once again, the Hilo kid has to eat his words after an embarassing performance.

“All they have to work with is Frankie Edgar. He’s going to do the same thing he did the first fight, just jazz it up a little”.

On second though, I take that back. Penn was right on the money.

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by hobbie on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

To be fair, it took Couture a bit to lock on that arm triangle due to Toney being awkwardly proped up against the fence. Once he got him flat on his back, he tapped him out with zero effort.

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by Brian Mayes on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Just rewatched the fight with my old man, who missed it live. James Toney actually verbally submitted to the first arm triangle, but Mario Yamasaki didn’t hear it and told Toney if he wanted out he had to tap. The second time Randy locked on the arm triangle, Toney tapped the mat.

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by Brian Mayes on Aug 29, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either way it was total domination from Randy

He got the take down wtih his first action and Toney couldn’t do a thing about anything he did.

by Roa on Aug 29, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

After round 1 I put on my 'O' face

:O

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by KingAtRock on Aug 29, 2010 1:31 AM EDT reply actions  

James Toney shouldn’t be competing in combat sports anymore, let alone going against someone who’s going to lay a serious beating on him.

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by Brian Mayes on Aug 29, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Toney did this for the paycheck, nothing more

I doubt we’ll see him in MMA again. Unless another promotion pays him close to six figures to get taken down and choked out.

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by ihateemo on Aug 29, 2010 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think that matters.

If he asks Dana for another fight, Dana could still use him…(if he wanted to)

Toney brought in a ton of fans and attention to this card, and he could do the same after… Fans now know that Toney wouldn’t stand a chance against a grappler, so put him in against a striker… Match him up against a kickboxer, who’s also coming from a tough loss (Barry or CroCop if he loses to mir), and then the press and fans would eat up another debate on who would come out better. Boxing champ, or kickboxing champ.

by Anton Tabuena on Aug 29, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

cro cop

would take toney down and choke him too

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by Thats It For you! on Aug 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Florian disappointed me tonight, I was amazed that after the Sherk fight he had nothing off his back. Maybe he underestimated Maynard’s ability or thought his takedown defense was too strong to be bullied that way again. Wonder where he goes from here. Sherk rematch maybe?

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by ihateemo on Aug 29, 2010 1:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

saw the show in a theater

which was surprisingly an excellent experience. The audience was respectful and understood the sport: lots of cheers for the submission attempts by Maia and reversals by Miranda throughout their 3 rounds, for example. Toney/Couture was received as the main event, although to be fair Couture was the hometown fighter (saw this in Seattle). We all got restless watching BJ shamble along and the card was a bit lackluster but I would definitely watch it in a theater again.

by sillycaboose on Aug 29, 2010 2:00 AM EDT reply actions  

BJ looked beat before they announced his name. he had that little kid on the 1st day of school look on his face. i’ve never seen him look like that before, i wonder what that was all about?

i’d love to see toney against a striker like pat berry or crocop next. it was fun seeing randy chock him out though. i really hope we see someone with that level of skill in boxing get into MMA in their prime. could you imagine something like manny pacquiao vs. jose aldo in the octagon?

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*choke

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by DaddyPants on Aug 29, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aldo would utterly destroy him.

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by James Brady on Aug 29, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Maia can take Sonnen and Miranda down to the floor, why couldn’t he get the fight to the ground with Silva?

by TyTy on Aug 29, 2010 2:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t have to respect of the other two.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 29, 2010 2:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The striking*

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by xDieseLx on Aug 29, 2010 2:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Maynard is absolutely

the most boring fighter ever! I mean he makes Jon Fitch look like GSP. I totally think they have to co-headline Edgar/Maynard on one of the big year end shows. ( I love watching Frankie fight but this is a BAD fight for him and for the viewers.)

by F'n Clownshoes on Aug 29, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you watch Winner vs. Lentz? Lentz is easily more boring than Maynard.

by Niles on Aug 29, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lentz.....

is currently irrelevant so ….. yep. that’s all i got.

by F'n Clownshoes on Aug 29, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Edgar Maynard would be good as a co-headliner on the end of the year or Super Bowl weekend show.

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by Earl Montclair on Aug 29, 2010 2:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Frankie E is the man!

it was a great card cause i got to see bj get exposed and that to me is priceless!

by a-bombizzle on Aug 29, 2010 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

well said that was money well spent, it almost made up for the disapointment after Sonnen lost.

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by Nightwhistler on Aug 29, 2010 2:31 AM EDT reply actions  

2 of the top 3 or 4 lw lost on the same night. the newest rankings should be pretty interesting. i want to see edgar vs aldo or gomi i know they are not going to happen. looks like the new gaurd is takeing over lw.

by mayabang on Aug 29, 2010 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I liked the card

That is what happens sometimes when you have a bunch of really competitive matches. Beats knowing who will win every fight a week before the card.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 29, 2010 2:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I thought it was solid

Also, 116 and 117 are tough acts to follow, MMA fans can be a bit spoiled at times.

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by Worldisart on Aug 29, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?
As Joe Rogan noted, Penn’s corner had nothing to offer him in terms of technical or tactical pointers and resorted to half-time pep talks instead.

Corner man: His speed is fucking you up. Fuck speed.

by truck on Aug 29, 2010 2:49 AM EDT reply actions  

The best was
“Go to that cocksucker, fuck man.” or something like that. It was pretty goddam ridiculous.

What the he’ll was bj thinking?!? Leg kicks, takedowns, give me something. I thought he would employ the Aldo gameplan of kicking the shit out of Edgar to slow him down but instead he did……whatever the hell you call that bs he did

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“Go and do what you need to do. You’re way stronger than this guy!”

My personal favourite. Oh, gee, thanks! I forgot that I should be doing what I need to do!

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by AJB on Aug 29, 2010 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is what it is…

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Aug 29, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

BJ needs to go the Thiago Alves route

and have somone else ontrol his diet and strength/conditioning.

Marv had it under control, but we see how thats gone (0-2) since he left

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by rkilla on Aug 29, 2010 5:00 AM EDT reply actions  

BJ needs "Coaches"

His strength and conditioning didn’t seem to be the overwhelming cause of his defeat. He had NO gameplan for the fight. Lotta ego, but no plan.

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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Edgar, and Maynard both look like they came out healthy, why not make the match for UFC 123 in Nov with Rampage v Machida under it. That would get some good buzz.

There are still fights for BJ if he wants to take them. Gomi is there, Griffin, Miller, Dunham, Sotoropolis would all love a shot at him I’m sure. If Aoki, Alvarez, or Melendez ever comes to UFC, they would be good fights. A potential 3rd fight with Matt Hughes could be a possiblity. Or he could just fade away, and get put into the Hall of Fame in a few years.

Florian must have thought this was a title fight, the way he choked tonight. He didn’t look like a confident fighter, and tightened up. I still think he is a top 5 LW in the world, but he performs his best when the pressure isn’t cranked up (title shot, # 1 contender, TUF final) Thank god for Joe Lauzon, or the local fans would have had a real crappy night.

Nate Diaz is right in that zone of up and comers that I would rank between 10-20 in the UFC WW division, he would have interesting and meaningful matches with Johny Hendricks, Rick Story, Mike Pierce, Kim, Ellenburger, or veterans Mike Swick, and Diego Sanchez. He definitly looks better at 170, but we haven’t seen him against any of the wrestlers yet.

I’d like to see Maia vs Gerald Harris, I think that would be a fun fight.

by dpk875 on Aug 29, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Went 3 to 2 in fight predictions this go-round. I had Diaz, Maia, Florian, Couture, and Penn winning tonight.

Diaz/Davis was academic I suppose, though Davis looked better than I thought he would. I wonder how long Nate will stick at WW? Looks like not making the cut for LW is agreeing with him. At least so far. Not sure how he’ll do if he starts fighting some of the bigger boys in the division. Would like to see him fight the winner of Sanchez/Thiago next.

Maia looked good. I hope Miranda doesn’t get cut from this loss. Wouldn’t mind seeing Maia against the winner of Bisping/Akiyama.

Florian…by all rights I should have picked Maynard to win. We’ve seen how Kenny falters against strong wrestlers against Sherk. But I let his success against Guida sway me in the other direction, and the Sherk fight was long enough ago that you’d figure Kenny would have made adjustments with his TDD and BJJ. Guess not. Looks like there’s now a blueprint for people to deal with Florian if they’re strong wrestlers. Gray gets the next title shot, and I’m not sure who Kenny fights now.

Not much to say about Couture/Toney. If any fight went exactly as I thought it would, it was this one. I guess Couture waits for a fight at LHW now, and Toney probably just goes away.

Penn looks like he made zero adjustments between this fight and the last one, while Edgar looks like he improved on his strategy from the first fight. The first one was close enough to warrant an immediate rematch, but not so this time around. That was a clear 50-45 in favor of Edgar. Not sure what BJ does now. There are fights available for him at either LW or WW, like Gomi or Hughes. I have to imagine there’s not much interest in a third Edgar/Penn fight at this point so any title aspirations at LW for BJ might be over if Frankie can get past Maynard this time.

by Hardcase on Aug 29, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

BJ would benefit from

A new camp. He is too comfortable working at his own pace with his family instead of being pushed by other world class fighters. 2-3 week visits to Greg Jackson and ATT or AKA would give him a lot better perspective.

Based on his conditioning it might be time to ditch Marinovich as well.

by mmaaddict on Aug 29, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

He already did that, hence the conditioning.

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by AJB on Aug 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gameplanning.

Where was it?

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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That too!

No idea; I’ve previously been critical of his gameplanning – his second loss to GSP had me baffled, and I felt that he just physically overwhelmed several of his opponents (or had opponents like Sherk and Florian who just… had their own odd gameplans) – but the last two fights were just atrocious. This most recent fight especially so because – as BJ predicted – Edgar did almost the EXACT SAME THING as the last fight! So… if he knew that Edgar was going to do the same thing… and his response was the exact same… why did he at all expect to win this time?

Gameplanning. I shake my head.

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by AJB on Aug 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lauzon

I thoguht I he looked bigger. When he got up to celebrate it looked like he put on some muscle through the shoulders. Good for him. His fight was the entertainment shower i needed after that Lentz garbage. I would keep Lentz buried on undercards forever or have him fight Guida so they can hug each other.

by Syd O on Aug 29, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Frankly i think if you do what Nik Lentz did last night you should be kicked out of the UFC. if you come into a fight with no intention of finishing, you should lose your job

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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's ridiculous.

Both for saying Lentz had no intention of winning and for saying he should be kicked out for beating a really dangerous fighter.

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by AJB on Aug 29, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hyperbole

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Aug 30, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

forgot to add a hyperbole warning

a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon

by eastcoastatlas on Aug 30, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I wanted to say has already been said.

But BJ Penn looking out of it when they announced his name is what stood out the most. He looked like like he had the potential to slit someone’s throat if said the wrong word to him. IDK…something differnt

Can’t say his done though, I can only say that he’s inconsistent. But I see the experts are throwing his camp under the bus. So I’ll just keep readin up on this.

by Krimson on Aug 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

One thing I thought was really interesting...

About this card is that it had the ultimately farcical “MMA vs. boxing” showdown between Couture and Toney, which of course turned out like we all thought it would (Props to Randy). The part I found interesting was what followed was Frankie Edgar putting on one of the best exhibitions of MMA boxing that I’ve seen. The way he was able to slip almost all of BJs power shots with head movement was extremely impressive. Edgar’s using the threat of the early takedowns he acheived to open BJ up for combinations later in the fight was great too. Finally, Frankie showed some of the best hand speed I’ve seen in MMA hands down, as he was able to beat BJ to the punch almost every exchange. Considering one of BJs best skills are hands that Freddie Roach once called “The best in MMA” (thanks Joe), the fact that Frankie schooled him in the standup says a ton for Frankie’s boxing skills. Unfortunately his next fight is a 180 degree style change in Maynard, so we’ll probably see much less of Frankie’s boxing and more of his wrestling. I just wanted to post something lauding Frankie’s skills/effort because all I seem to see are articles bashing BJs work ethic, saying all he had to do was want to win. Isn’t it just slightly possible that BJ got beat by a better fighter who’s still improving?

o·pin·ion –noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

by WarToney on Aug 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Don't plan on it

:D

o·pin·ion –noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

by WarToney on Aug 29, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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