UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn 2 Post-Fight Recap and Analysis
-Let me eat some crow to start. I thought it was Frankie Edgar that needed to make the adjustments in his rematch with B.J. Penn. I thought he did a good job at keeping the fight close and then taking a couple of rounds late as B.J. faded down the straight. I wondered, though, what adjustments he could even make. Well, Frankie found one. Do what he did in the first fight...better. I imagine the ten rounds between Penn and Edgar looks like a radiant color graph. It starts out heavy on Penn, then gradually moves toward Edgar until he's dominating the canvas.
-I scored this fight 50-45 for Edgar, and I don't think there will be any controversy about any of those rounds. Penn had his moments, but my notes are filled with things like "Penn looks flat" and "Edgar is making Penn react to him." In addition to the high pace he pushed, Edgar did a really good job throwing strikes coming in and out of clinches, feinted/failed takedown attempts, etc.
-What about Penn? I noted that he appeared emotionless on his way to and inside of the cage. He looked flat in the opening rounds. In round five, needing a stoppage for victory, Penn fought with zero urgency. He scored a takedown, almost took Edgar's back in a scramble, and then looked to give up when Edgar was able to turn into Penn's guard.
-Ultimately, Penn made zero adjustments in between the two fights and then made zero adjustments during the fight itself. Regardless of whether he needs to join another fight camp or bring in better people to help him, Penn needs to do alter his corner in some manner. As Joe Rogan noted, Penn's corner had nothing to offer him in terms of technical or tactical pointers and resorted to half-time pep talks instead.
Undercard thoughts after the break.
-What can be said about the Toney fiasco? Couture shot a low single that caused Toney to just about trip over himself. From there it was academic. Couture gets mount. Toney has no ability to escape. Punches. Randy takes forever to lock in the arm triangle. Game.
-Demian Maia looked very impressive again. Joe Rogan seemed surprised that Maia took Miranda down as easily as he did. I guess he forgot what he did to Chael Sonnen? Maia impresses me with what I call grappling angles, for lack of any other term. At some point in the fight, Miranda start to work back up. The traditional move for the man on top is to maintain a double leg and try to pull the hips back out. Maia, instead, changes angles, moving to the side to start trying to take the back.
-More time for me to eat crow. My gut told me that Maynard's wrestling would be the trump card in his fight with Kenny Florian. Watching the tape, I worried that he would try to box and that Florian's dynamic game would overcome Maynard on the feet. Oops. I actually had Florian winning round one up until the end, and I ultimately the round 10-10. From that point on, though, it was all Maynard.
-Marcus Davis's last four losses are to guys who breach six feet in height. I'm not sure if that's the sole reason he lost tonight (because he's getting up there in years), but Diaz utilized his length in a way that escapes a lot of taller fighters. Davis actually landed a handful of strikes that may have been the best of the fight, but Diaz came through with the boxing style that the Diaz boys have been using to confuse plenty of fighters over the last few years. I still don't know how it works. It seems so slow and awkward. But goddamn is it effective.
-I thought Joe Lauzon looked much more built tonight. Did anyone else get that feeling from looking at him?
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I'll be the first to say
I did not enjoy this card.
It wasn’t UFC 78 or 61 bad but there was no sense of drama and Winner/Lentz might be one of the worst fights of the year.
Edgar/Penn was great to watch as was Diaz/Davis but everything else was “meh” (including Couture/Toney).
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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Agreed
The Maynard Kenny fight just featured two fighters who were two afraid to engage. I think Kenny has a tendency of over thinking fights sometimes. And Maia Miranda just had Maia dominate the whole fight without being able to get the sub. Props to Miranda and to Maia for dominating, but it didn’t make for good television. That being said, the Diaz fight and the emergence of Edgar were worth the ten dollar cover I paid at the bar.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Honestly...
hasn’t this been the standard for any fight recently that rewards a title shot to the winner? I’d like to see Dana stop adding that to fights. Instead, he needs to have it be much more qualified based on performance, not simply earning a win.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Earning a win IS performance.
You don’t see other sports leagues denying teams championships because they don’t win in exciting fashion. At some point, if you want to maintain legitimacy as a sport, you have to give boring their just due. Maynard has a win over the champ and a win over the only third best guy in the division (Florian). He has earned his title shot and then some.
by Steve4192 on Aug 29, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You miss the point...
recently Dana has been declaring that the winner of fight X will get the next title shot in that division, unanimously those bouts come out boring conservative affairs and I don’t think its a coincidence.
Also, never underestimate the importance of the entertainment aspect of this sport. For the longest time this was the norm and it worked well, I’m not entirely sure why Dana has changed form.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
by Razreshat on Aug 29, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Almost agree
I’d put Maynard-Florian as the worst fight of the year as it was for a title shot. Winner-Lentz was meaningless. Back pedal, back pedal, shoot, LnP. Ugh.
by Ironbuddha on Aug 29, 2010 1:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Worse than Cote/Almeida?
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on Aug 29, 2010 1:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Worse fight of this year
Worse than cote/almeida overall? Tough call, only because I don’t want to have to sit through UFC 86 again.
by Ironbuddha on Aug 29, 2010 1:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I liked the Maia, and the Louzon fight.
wasn’t a bar burner but I thought it was enjoyable.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
Maia fight was okay but not wildly entertaining
Lauzon’s win was awesome but predictable.
I forgot Miller/Salter was very good and the sub was excellent.
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wow i forgot Miller's win too.
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Someone needs to say it, this card sucked with the exception of the main event. rec’d for echoing sentiments.
Davis vs Diaz was a war, fight of the night easily.
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by Thats It For you! on Aug 29, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Couldnt ask for a better start to a PPV, 3 full rounds of action with epic finish
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by Thats It For you! on Aug 29, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i was at the event
and there was luls such as the kenny and lentz fights but the diaz and bj fight had the crowd pumped and during the lauzon beast mode i have never felt a crazy energy like that before
If Fitch and Shields had a baby his name would be Nick Lentz....
If I had a gun, I would have blown my brains out during that one.
by frizzkills on Aug 29, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said that the other day.
I just didn’t see the excitement in this card.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you see his EYES when he was taken down?
He looked lost. Like Frankie shouldn’t be able to do it. As soon as I saw those eyes in the 1st, I knew it was Frankie’s fight to lose. ’
BJ’s take-down invincibility at lightweight was gone.
Hope you made some money
Bridge-jumping on Couture, even though you lost on Florian and Penn.
I lost on Penn as well but ended up way up thanks to Randy.
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by Jeremiah Johnson. on Aug 29, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions
Props to Edgar for thoroughly dominating the once-dominant former LW champ but the UFC is gonna have a lot of work to do selling the card that is headlined by Edgar-Maynard to the casual fan. That card is either going to need two title fights or a Chuck Liddell-Forrest Griffin type fight in the co-main slot to have any hopes of selling over 400,000 PPV’s.
by ufc4 on Aug 29, 2010 1:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t see why they can’t make Edgar into a star.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Because he doesn't finish people
Why does no one understand this?
Edgar is the best LW in the world but he’s not a highlight reel fighter.
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by SSreporters on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GSP doesn't finish people...
Or hasn’t recently at least.
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He systematically destroys them
And his star was made because of how he finished people.
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Edgar just DESTROYED Penn
You may be right, but I think there is something there.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True.
But Edgar did not blast him to the tune of disfiguring him like GSP did with Fitch, or nearly snap his arm in half like Hardy.
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I have a feeling the damage Edgar just did to Penn...
will be less superficial and run much, much deeper.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
it probably doesn't help that
Penn has the best chin at LW. Edgar was cracking him especially the last two rounds and nothing really wobbled him until that knee near the end and it wasn’t like it rocked Penn hard either.
Anyone that says this was a boring fight is a retard. He outboxed the best LW boxer. He out wrestled a guy that is said to be near impossible to take down. He escaped one of the top 5 BJJ practitioners when he was on the bottom in mount.
Frankie did a lot to prove that he deserves to be the champion.
Not only can he not finish, he has the personality of drying paint. Both Edgar and Maynard will be fiscal albatrosses for the UFC.
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by Monte Fisto on Aug 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You must be new to the UFC...
they’ve managed and made boat loads off of much, much less compelling fighters.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
which ones, exactly?
I’m not all that new to the UFC, and I can’t remember any former champions with blander personalities or weaker finishing percentages than either Edgar or Maynard.
The UFC is like a license to print money, and I have no expectation that will end anytime soon, but I don’t see them making boatloads of money off of Edgar and/or Maynard. They haven’t demonstrated any ability to sell fights, or to deliver the dramatic finishes that let fights sell themselves. They will be anchors on whatever PPVs they occupy.
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by Monte Fisto on Aug 29, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
There will have to be a bigger title fight above it on the card.
No way in hell will I pay to watch that fight as a main event.
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by a tommy point on Aug 29, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
There was a time
when a non-BJ LW main event selling over 400,000 buys was a pipe dream.
Still, Stick Edgar vs. Maynard as the c-main event of St. Pierre vs. Kos or put it for free on Spike (good way to get Frankie over).
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There's no way they headline a card with Edgar/Maynard.
I say put it on the Super Bowl card with Silva/Sonnen 2 as the main event.
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and have Sonnen start shit-talking Maynard until he stops being so boring. Unfortunately, gray maynard is going to be the LW champ for a while
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
At least BJ Penn was true to form tonight.
Inconsistent, at best. Props to Edgar. There is no doubt this time.
I’m a huge BJ fan but he clearly needs better gameplanning. He could have taken this fight if he focused on taking Frankie to the ground instead of trying to make it a boxing match.
Maybe he should switch up training camps
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look at the advice he gets in his corner. when you are the head honcho at your gym, it seems like no one has the ball sot call you out or be candid.
he can get takedowns, has world class bjj, but he is still of the breed that doesn’t transition them. GSP recognizes a takedown is part of a combination, etc. 1-2- takedown. The whole fight Penn has to be aware of other things frankie could do. BJ was overly predictable, and always is. What did Frankie have to fear or at least be aware of? Nothing, and again we see his confidence grow as the fight goes on. What I find ironic is Frankies corner tells him after one of the earlier rounds that he is too predictable. BJ could have used this adivce.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"
Keyword: "Gameplanning"
I think the days of going into a fight and believing you can OVERPOWER them is long gone. You have to have a gameplan of how you can systematically beat your opponent. GSP could probably overpower many of his opponents, but he consistently goes into fights with a strict (yet boring) gameplan and wins the fight by dominating rounds.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe this will motivate Penn.
nah, I’m just kidding. Welcome the new 155 and 170 gate keeper. I expect Penn/Sherk II, Penn/Hughes III, and Penn/Sanchez II as Penn floats between weight classes “testing” and getting thrown into “superfights” with other people that are no longer title threats but can still fill seats.
by john_richmond_martin on Aug 29, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions
Penn/Gomi pleaseeeeeee
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Penn/Sotiropoulis?
I’d like to see that one now.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Penn vs. Gomi
In Hawaii could still be an epic fight. Also really crossing my fingers we get to see Penn/Hughes 3.
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Diaz/Alves.
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Jumping the gun there.
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That was a suggestion not a fact.
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Yeah
And I’m saying I’m not high on that suggestion.
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That reply makes literally zero sense.
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I misunderstood what he said.
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It's cool.
Didn’t mean offense or anything I was just pretty darn confused
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You're not the only one eating crow tonight, sir
Once again, the Hilo kid has to eat his words after an embarassing performance.
“All they have to work with is Frankie Edgar. He’s going to do the same thing he did the first fight, just jazz it up a little”.
On second though, I take that back. Penn was right on the money.
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by hobbie on Aug 29, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, it took Couture a bit to lock on that arm triangle due to Toney being awkwardly proped up against the fence. Once he got him flat on his back, he tapped him out with zero effort.
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Just rewatched the fight with my old man, who missed it live. James Toney actually verbally submitted to the first arm triangle, but Mario Yamasaki didn’t hear it and told Toney if he wanted out he had to tap. The second time Randy locked on the arm triangle, Toney tapped the mat.
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Either way it was total domination from Randy
He got the take down wtih his first action and Toney couldn’t do a thing about anything he did.
After round 1 I put on my 'O' face
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Toney did this for the paycheck, nothing more
I doubt we’ll see him in MMA again. Unless another promotion pays him close to six figures to get taken down and choked out.
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by ihateemo on Aug 29, 2010 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think that matters.
If he asks Dana for another fight, Dana could still use him…(if he wanted to)
Toney brought in a ton of fans and attention to this card, and he could do the same after… Fans now know that Toney wouldn’t stand a chance against a grappler, so put him in against a striker… Match him up against a kickboxer, who’s also coming from a tough loss (Barry or CroCop if he loses to mir), and then the press and fans would eat up another debate on who would come out better. Boxing champ, or kickboxing champ.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 29, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
cro cop
would take toney down and choke him too
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by Thats It For you! on Aug 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Florian disappointed me tonight, I was amazed that after the Sherk fight he had nothing off his back. Maybe he underestimated Maynard’s ability or thought his takedown defense was too strong to be bullied that way again. Wonder where he goes from here. Sherk rematch maybe?
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by ihateemo on Aug 29, 2010 1:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
saw the show in a theater
which was surprisingly an excellent experience. The audience was respectful and understood the sport: lots of cheers for the submission attempts by Maia and reversals by Miranda throughout their 3 rounds, for example. Toney/Couture was received as the main event, although to be fair Couture was the hometown fighter (saw this in Seattle). We all got restless watching BJ shamble along and the card was a bit lackluster but I would definitely watch it in a theater again.
BJ looked beat before they announced his name. he had that little kid on the 1st day of school look on his face. i’ve never seen him look like that before, i wonder what that was all about?
i’d love to see toney against a striker like pat berry or crocop next. it was fun seeing randy chock him out though. i really hope we see someone with that level of skill in boxing get into MMA in their prime. could you imagine something like manny pacquiao vs. jose aldo in the octagon?
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If Maia can take Sonnen and Miranda down to the floor, why couldn’t he get the fight to the ground with Silva?
Didn’t have to respect of the other two.
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The striking*
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 29, 2010 2:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was at the Garden tonight and have a couple of thoughts.
- I was hoping for a little more from this card
- 2 reffing mistakes I noticed were in the Winner/Lentz fight the official went in to break the clinch, tapped Lentz on the back, then backed off like he didn’t do anything. If you’re going to break it up, do it. I hate the in between stuff we see. The other one was much more obvious because we got to watch Diaz strangle a corspe for 5 extra seconds. The whole arena could tell Davis was out… Did the ref think Davis was going to pull a Hulkster and bounce his hand up on the 3rd drop?
- the Toney fight was a joke. Such a joke. Joke. I’m embarrassed we wasted one of Randy’s last fights on that garbage, Toney couldn’t have fought Jon Madson on Spike or something? Wait why have him fight at all?
- I don’t know how many more times it’s happened but you had the only two guys to hold belts in two divisions in the UFC on the same card.
- K-Flo disappointed the Boston crowd. I’m glad he won’t be getting his 3rd title shot. Good luck to Dana headlining a card with Edgar Maynard.
- BJ was really weird tonight. He was so stoic. He looked like a serial killer… I thought he was ready to explode. It never happened. He had so many fans, of course hey all turned on him and most of them left after the 4th. I’m a Penn fan, but am also from Jersey and really like Edgar, so I was torn. I have a weird feeling Penn doesn’t want to fight anymore. Like a weird retirement annoucement is coming.
-I’ve now seen fights in Boston, Newark,Vegas, Philadelphia, and Montreal. I must say this Boston crowd was the worst in terms of obnoxiousness. The two dudes behind me were “coaching” everyone using the fight lingo so every knew they were real fans. My GF had the privilege of sitting next to what had to be some sort of rapist, who was out of shape, not wearing a shirt, and had the words “Just Bleed” in white paint on his chest. I counted 3 fights in the area, one was on the floor section, while Edgar was coming to the cage. Very classy.
- Speaking of awfulness in the Gardern. I was not able to drink. I’m 24 and when I went to grab a beer I was told if you’re from out of state you must be 25 to drink. Excuse me? I could see extra ID, but to deny me fully. So I got to watch 21 year olds get bombed and start fights while me (again 24) couldn’t have one. Shame on you Boston Gardern.
- I think that’s it. Bed time.
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by Myke25 on Aug 29, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Maynard is absolutely
the most boring fighter ever! I mean he makes Jon Fitch look like GSP. I totally think they have to co-headline Edgar/Maynard on one of the big year end shows. ( I love watching Frankie fight but this is a BAD fight for him and for the viewers.)
by F'n Clownshoes on Aug 29, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Lentz.....
is currently irrelevant so ….. yep. that’s all i got.
by F'n Clownshoes on Aug 29, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Frankie E is the man!
it was a great card cause i got to see bj get exposed and that to me is priceless!
I liked the card
That is what happens sometimes when you have a bunch of really competitive matches. Beats knowing who will win every fight a week before the card.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 29, 2010 2:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I thought it was solid
Also, 116 and 117 are tough acts to follow, MMA fans can be a bit spoiled at times.
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What do you mean?
As Joe Rogan noted, Penn’s corner had nothing to offer him in terms of technical or tactical pointers and resorted to half-time pep talks instead.
Corner man: His speed is fucking you up. Fuck speed.
The best was
“Go to that cocksucker, fuck man.” or something like that. It was pretty goddam ridiculous.
What the he’ll was bj thinking?!? Leg kicks, takedowns, give me something. I thought he would employ the Aldo gameplan of kicking the shit out of Edgar to slow him down but instead he did……whatever the hell you call that bs he did
by RoB_ex on Aug 29, 2010 3:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BJ needs to go the Thiago Alves route
and have somone else ontrol his diet and strength/conditioning.
Marv had it under control, but we see how thats gone (0-2) since he left
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His strength and conditioning didn’t seem to be the overwhelming cause of his defeat. He had NO gameplan for the fight. Lotta ego, but no plan.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Edgar, and Maynard both look like they came out healthy, why not make the match for UFC 123 in Nov with Rampage v Machida under it. That would get some good buzz.
There are still fights for BJ if he wants to take them. Gomi is there, Griffin, Miller, Dunham, Sotoropolis would all love a shot at him I’m sure. If Aoki, Alvarez, or Melendez ever comes to UFC, they would be good fights. A potential 3rd fight with Matt Hughes could be a possiblity. Or he could just fade away, and get put into the Hall of Fame in a few years.
Florian must have thought this was a title fight, the way he choked tonight. He didn’t look like a confident fighter, and tightened up. I still think he is a top 5 LW in the world, but he performs his best when the pressure isn’t cranked up (title shot, # 1 contender, TUF final) Thank god for Joe Lauzon, or the local fans would have had a real crappy night.
Nate Diaz is right in that zone of up and comers that I would rank between 10-20 in the UFC WW division, he would have interesting and meaningful matches with Johny Hendricks, Rick Story, Mike Pierce, Kim, Ellenburger, or veterans Mike Swick, and Diego Sanchez. He definitly looks better at 170, but we haven’t seen him against any of the wrestlers yet.
I’d like to see Maia vs Gerald Harris, I think that would be a fun fight.
Went 3 to 2 in fight predictions this go-round. I had Diaz, Maia, Florian, Couture, and Penn winning tonight.
Diaz/Davis was academic I suppose, though Davis looked better than I thought he would. I wonder how long Nate will stick at WW? Looks like not making the cut for LW is agreeing with him. At least so far. Not sure how he’ll do if he starts fighting some of the bigger boys in the division. Would like to see him fight the winner of Sanchez/Thiago next.
Maia looked good. I hope Miranda doesn’t get cut from this loss. Wouldn’t mind seeing Maia against the winner of Bisping/Akiyama.
Florian…by all rights I should have picked Maynard to win. We’ve seen how Kenny falters against strong wrestlers against Sherk. But I let his success against Guida sway me in the other direction, and the Sherk fight was long enough ago that you’d figure Kenny would have made adjustments with his TDD and BJJ. Guess not. Looks like there’s now a blueprint for people to deal with Florian if they’re strong wrestlers. Gray gets the next title shot, and I’m not sure who Kenny fights now.
Not much to say about Couture/Toney. If any fight went exactly as I thought it would, it was this one. I guess Couture waits for a fight at LHW now, and Toney probably just goes away.
Penn looks like he made zero adjustments between this fight and the last one, while Edgar looks like he improved on his strategy from the first fight. The first one was close enough to warrant an immediate rematch, but not so this time around. That was a clear 50-45 in favor of Edgar. Not sure what BJ does now. There are fights available for him at either LW or WW, like Gomi or Hughes. I have to imagine there’s not much interest in a third Edgar/Penn fight at this point so any title aspirations at LW for BJ might be over if Frankie can get past Maynard this time.
BJ would benefit from
A new camp. He is too comfortable working at his own pace with his family instead of being pushed by other world class fighters. 2-3 week visits to Greg Jackson and ATT or AKA would give him a lot better perspective.
Based on his conditioning it might be time to ditch Marinovich as well.
Gameplanning.
Where was it?
Semper Fi
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That too!
No idea; I’ve previously been critical of his gameplanning – his second loss to GSP had me baffled, and I felt that he just physically overwhelmed several of his opponents (or had opponents like Sherk and Florian who just… had their own odd gameplans) – but the last two fights were just atrocious. This most recent fight especially so because – as BJ predicted – Edgar did almost the EXACT SAME THING as the last fight! So… if he knew that Edgar was going to do the same thing… and his response was the exact same… why did he at all expect to win this time?
Gameplanning. I shake my head.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Lauzon
I thoguht I he looked bigger. When he got up to celebrate it looked like he put on some muscle through the shoulders. Good for him. His fight was the entertainment shower i needed after that Lentz garbage. I would keep Lentz buried on undercards forever or have him fight Guida so they can hug each other.
Frankly i think if you do what Nik Lentz did last night you should be kicked out of the UFC. if you come into a fight with no intention of finishing, you should lose your job
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That's ridiculous.
Both for saying Lentz had no intention of winning and for saying he should be kicked out for beating a really dangerous fighter.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
hyperbole
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 30, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
forgot to add a hyperbole warning
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Aug 30, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What I wanted to say has already been said.
But BJ Penn looking out of it when they announced his name is what stood out the most. He looked like like he had the potential to slit someone’s throat if said the wrong word to him. IDK…something differnt
Can’t say his done though, I can only say that he’s inconsistent. But I see the experts are throwing his camp under the bus. So I’ll just keep readin up on this.
One thing I thought was really interesting...
About this card is that it had the ultimately farcical “MMA vs. boxing” showdown between Couture and Toney, which of course turned out like we all thought it would (Props to Randy). The part I found interesting was what followed was Frankie Edgar putting on one of the best exhibitions of MMA boxing that I’ve seen. The way he was able to slip almost all of BJs power shots with head movement was extremely impressive. Edgar’s using the threat of the early takedowns he acheived to open BJ up for combinations later in the fight was great too. Finally, Frankie showed some of the best hand speed I’ve seen in MMA hands down, as he was able to beat BJ to the punch almost every exchange. Considering one of BJs best skills are hands that Freddie Roach once called “The best in MMA” (thanks Joe), the fact that Frankie schooled him in the standup says a ton for Frankie’s boxing skills. Unfortunately his next fight is a 180 degree style change in Maynard, so we’ll probably see much less of Frankie’s boxing and more of his wrestling. I just wanted to post something lauding Frankie’s skills/effort because all I seem to see are articles bashing BJs work ethic, saying all he had to do was want to win. Isn’t it just slightly possible that BJ got beat by a better fighter who’s still improving?
o·pin·ion –noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
by WarToney on Aug 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Don't plan on it
:D
o·pin·ion –noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
by WarToney on Aug 29, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions

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