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Frankie Edgar

#1 Lightweight
UFC LW Champ


vs.

B.J. Penn

#2 Lightweight
Former UFC LW Champ

28 Age 31
5'6" Height 5'9"
72" Reach 70"
12 - 1 - 0 Record 15 - 6 - 1
2 / 3 TKO / SUB 6 / 6
Renzo Gracie Combat Team Camp B.J. Penn's MMA
W - Penn (UD)
W - Veach (SUB)
W - Sherk (UD)

Last 3
L - Edgar (UD)
W - Sanchez (TKO)
W - Florian (SUB)

BestFightOdds.com

Ignore the outcome of the last fight. It's irrelevant whether you feel Penn or Edgar was the rightful winner at UFC 112. The fight did, however, provide us with 25 minutes of action to dissesct.

This is how I saw the fight: Penn established the jab with his reach advantage and countered very well throughout the fight. Frankie's gameplan consisted of working in and out and avoiding a firefight, a plan he executed very well. Edgar showcased his superior cardio, beginning in round four and extending into the final frame. Neither fighter made any commitment to fighting on the floor.

What changes? Well, they won't be fighting outdoors, for starters. Though I've found criticisms of Penn's cardio to be overstated, it's fair to say Edgar holds an advantage and fighting outside in the Abu Dhabi heat exacerbates the gap.

People have made note about Penn's demeanor in the bout, but I didn't see much difference. B.J.'s never been a fighter to overcommit to a finish. He fights his fight, and if he finds an opening to finish, he pounces.

As for Frankie, what can he do to change his strategy in the rematch? By all objective measures, Frankie won a very close decision in the first fight. I don't think he can rely on utilizing the same strategy to beat Penna again. But what exactly can he do? He doesn't have the power to overcome Penn's defense and chin, nor will he catch the Hawaiian in a submission.

This all goes back to why I favored Penn heavily in the first fight. Penn can finish Edgar, but not vice versa (any meaningful amount of times anyway). So, Edgar's almost forced to fight the same fight that he did in Abu Dhabi. He's proven that he can be effective with it, so it wouldn't totally shock me to see him retain the title.

And hey, maybe Edgar's style is Penn's kryptonite. I don't think it is, but Edgar is one hell of a fighter. Unfortunately, the last fight was Edgar's best against Penn's not-so-best, and I don't see much room for improvement. I like Penn as much as I did in April and recommend a two unit play.

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Kenny Florian

#4 Lightweight


vs.

Gray Maynard

#7 Lightweight

34 Age 31
5'10" Height 5'8"
72" Reach 70"
14 - 4 - 0
Record 9 - 0 - 0, 1 NC
3 / 10
TKO / SUB 2 / 0
Florian Martial Arts/ TriStar
Camp Xtreme Couture
W - Gomi (SUB)
W - Guida (SUB)
L - Penn (SUB)

Last 3
W - Diaz (SD)
W - Huerta (SD)
W - Miller (UD)

BestFightOdds.com

When Zuffa first announced this fight, I really liked Gray Maynard. Wrestling is a huge equalizer in MMA, and I thought Maynard's wrestling could overcome Florian's more talented skill set.

After watching tape, however, I've reversed course. I still think Maynard can win the fight if he commits to wrestling, but 1) I think Florian will be better at avoiding takedowns that I originally thought, 2) Kenny won't be helpless on his back, and 3) Maynard's committed to boxing in his last three contests.

Most importantly, Kenny's just a more dynamic and cerebral fighter than Maynard. He'll have many more tools and angles at his disposal, while Maynard will set back and wrestlebox as usual.

I think people are still sleeping on Florian (and I was apart of that group for awhile). Why? TUF stigma? His exposure as a TV personality? I don't know, but I like Florian for a solid unit play.

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Randy Couture

#22 Heavyweight
Former UFC LHW and HW Champ

vs.

James Toney

47 Age 42
6'1" Height 5'10"
75" Reach 72"
18 - 10 - 0
Record 0 - 0 - 0
7 / 3
TKO / SUB 0 / 0
Xtreme Couture
Camp Parts Unknown
W - Coleman (SUB)
W - Vera (UD)
L - Nogueira (UD)

Last 3
N/A

BestFightOdds.com

Let's call a spade a spade. Toney's looking for the paycheck he can't get in boxing. Dana's looking for eyeballs and to put boxing in its place. This isn't a work. The fix isn't in. But Toney isn't being put in a position (by White or himself) to win. He weighed in at close to 240 pounds, he's on the wrong side of 40, he's had a long career of minor head trauma, and he's stepping into a sport with no prior experience. I'd love to see Toney knock Couture out of the cage, but this fight will be impressive in its brutality and viciousness. I'm bridge jumping Couture a bit here. I don't know why there isn't a larger spread.

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Apologies for any typos, inaccuracies, etc. This was put up in great rush.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

This Explains:

Why Frankie Edgar is listed as having a two inch reach advantage. Yet in your analysis you say BJ Penn established his jab because of his reach advantage.

by falufalump on Aug 28, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Penn’s also 3 inches taller than Frankie.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed that right away…. Pnn reach advantage at 70" while Edgar latex at 72"

I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!

by Simboy on Aug 28, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Stupid iphone!!!!

I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!

by Simboy on Aug 28, 2010 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

72" latex?

I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.

by slapjaw ackrite on Aug 28, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

so bout eight of those?

I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.

by slapjaw ackrite on Aug 28, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly……nothing to do with text recognition lol!!!!!!!

I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!

by Simboy on Aug 28, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

Penn at -275 seems like a good bet.

by av1o3 on Aug 28, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

its hilarious that the Champ and the last person to beat BJ is at +250

by av1o3 on Aug 28, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Gray at +135…The only fight that scares me was his fight with diaz…Gray cannot stand and trade with Florian

by ThaiGae on Aug 28, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish I had the balls to bet my student loan money

Because I’d fucking flog that Edgar line and put a couple on a parlay with him and Gray.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 28, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t do it. You’ll end up driving a truck for Joey Knish.

by Brent Ducharme on Aug 28, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad you guys are getting referral money from BetUS, but they are a D+ rated sportsbook according to sportsbookreview.com. There are numerous complaints about them that go unresolved.

So for the people thinking about betting large amounts, just be careful that’s all.
But the casual bettors probably won’t have issues, I don’t think.

by MickDawg on Aug 28, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’ve long personally recommended Bodog, Bookmaker, and 5Dimes (who seem to have the best MMA lines the past few events). That stance has not changed.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 28, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, really BE?

BetUS is the scum of the online betting world. They don’t pay you if you win!

by Polyhedron on Aug 28, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

BetUS

BetUS sent me a check for $1,000 when I hit a crazy parlay. Charged me $40 to mail it to me, but it cashed just fine.

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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z

by thetakeover on Aug 28, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just want to remind everyone that the BFO lines self-update.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2010 5:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Thank you, widgets!

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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z

by thetakeover on Aug 28, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with the analysis on Penn-Edgar. I think Penn might be undervalued here (in spite of his loss). I’m hoping that he decides to offensively wrestle a bit this time.

"If a dick don't get hard offa cocaine, what would you axe it?" O.D.B.
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"I shoot. I score. He shoots. I score." Dan Gable.

by The Darkness on Aug 28, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Why does Frankie look to be the same height as Penn in that picture? Is he wearing heels?

"If a dick don't get hard offa cocaine, what would you axe it?" O.D.B.
"To be is to be the value of a bound variable." W.V.O Quine
"I shoot. I score. He shoots. I score." Dan Gable.

by The Darkness on Aug 28, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

You're jumping off a bridge if your bet doesn't work out

It means to bet a large amount of money on a heavy favorite because there’s almost no way the underdog can win.

Mike, Randy beating Toney is my largest bet since I bet nearly half my net worth on Lesnar that time. You remember that episode over on 2p2?

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by Jeremiah Johnson. on Aug 28, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which fight was that?

by Mike Fagan on Aug 28, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lesnar v Herring

Lesnar was only -220. OH DELICIOUS

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by Jeremiah Johnson. on Aug 28, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I loaded up on that. I told Luke how huge of a favorite Lesnar was in that fight. He became a believer afterward.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 29, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone betting on Ruediger? the odds are amazing and he’s on quite a winning streak.

by Tyrion on Aug 28, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I did

And I put him in a Toney parlay to get like +2200 return

/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 28, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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