James Toney estimated to make $750,000 to $1 million on Saturday according Yahoo! Sports
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Yeah
That made me smile.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Aug 27, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was chasing Dana down
“Ok you convinced me, you got a fight. Oh and ill pay you a million dollars”- Dana
by Td9d on Aug 27, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He probably ....
should have tried to add some cardio. Might have helped vs Randy the Cardio Machine.
Seriously, how can King Mo talk like he’s happy to train with this dude? Maybe Mo ended up doing his ACL trying to lift this dude off the mat at practice.
Play Hard, Train Harder
Not that I think he's stands a snowballs chance in hell
But let’s wait for the actual fight before we start criticizing his performance.
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we'll see
If he gets slaughtered…all his credibility goes out the window. Brilliant hype man or not. He won’t have the same opportunity again
by drudog1715 on Aug 27, 2010 5:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately...
he’ll have already guaranteed his pay by then.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
And if he loses, he lost to an MMA champion in MMA
and no MMA fighter had the guts to come into a boxing ring.
It’s fucking brilliant.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 28, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Talk about getting by on your balls and your word.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 28, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
haha it’s literally right within the txt.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Aug 27, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you want from me?
I’m a blonde with a short attention span. My bad.
by marta_gallo on Aug 27, 2010 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless the numbers are higher than I expect, this may prove to be a waste of money…
What are the expected buy rates?
I can’t see this card doing much more than 600,000 buys
If he helps it sell an extra 50,000 or more ppvs it’s worth it.
50,000 x $30 (UFC’s cut of PPV) = $1.5 mil.
UFC gets 25 bucks
But your point still stands.
Also web buys, bar buys, tickets, etc. How little tickets would’ve sold without Toney?
IMO Lesnar, GSP should get 5 million guaranteed. That’s 200K PPV buys worth of money. And then if the PPV does above, let’s say 850K (maybe lower), they get 3 bucks a buy. So UFC 100 would’ve netted both fighters around 10 million a piece. UFC’s cut was 40 million.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 27, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the UFC gets more than $25. Everyone throws around the 50% split number but I think the probably get something more along the lines of 60% (or even better). Boxing gets over 60% and no one does as much ppv business as the UFC. At 60% they would get $27 per SD ppv and $33 per HD ppv. Split the difference and I come up with $30.
And you can add TV rebroadcast rights, DVDs, foreign broadcasts, etc.
That being said, I think we both are in agreement that the promoters are walking away with a ridiculous fortune.
I believe they get more than 50% too (at least since the last negotiation)
They should be getting at least 65%.
I use 50% because it’s very conservative. I like to prove that even with the most conversative of numbers, the UFC is making major money.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 28, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Just sayin...
WEC 50 Payouts
…
Dominick Cruz — $22,000 (including $11,000 win bonus) def. Joseph Benavidez — $17,500
Anthony Pettis — $22,000 (including $6,000 win bonus, $10,000 submission bonus) def. Shane Roller — $16,000
Chad Mendes — $11,000 (including $5,500 win bonus) def. Cub Swanson — $11,000
Scott Jorgensen— $35,000 (including $12,500 win bonus, $10,000 FOTN bonus) def. Brad Pickett — $17,000 (including $10,000 FOTN bonus)
Bart Palaszewski — $16,000 (including $8,000 win bonus) def. Zachary Micklewright — $3,000
Maciej Jewtuszko — $16,000 (including $3,000 win bonus, $10,000 knockout bonus) def. Anthony Njokuani — $7,000
Javier Vazquez — $16,000 (including $8,000 win bonus) def. Mackens Semerzier — $4,000
Ricardo Lamas — $14,000 (including $7,000 win bonus) def. David Jansen — $4,000
Fredson Paixao — $6,000 (including $3,000 win bonus) def. Bryan Caraway — $4,000
Danny Castillo — $19,000 (including $9,500 win bonus) def. Dustin Poirier — $3,000
Apparently James Toney is 34 times as important to Zuffa as their featherweight belt. Some fucking sport.
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by pdl on Aug 27, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
*Bantamweight.
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-Randall Munroe
well, he does weigh 34x Dominick Cruz
but yeah, this some bull
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Apparently James Toney is 34 three times as important to Zuffa as their featherweight belt the entire event. Some fucking sport.
That’s why the WEC fans have got to stop protecting their precious promotion and gets these guys in the UFC.
by John Nash on Aug 27, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 27, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He's probably making more in this fight
than all of the WEC fighters combined in the past few years.
Some fucking sport.
Like boxing, this seems more part business, than sport.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Aug 27, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Alex Rodriguez is making 32M, Evan Longoria is making 950k. Apparently A-Rod is 34 times as important to the MLB. Some fucking sport.
Philip Rivers made 25M last year while Revis’ base salary was 460k. Apparently Rivers is 54 times more important to the NFL. Some fucking sport.
Vincent Lacavalier makes 10M this year while Tyler Myers makes 875k. Apparently Lacavalier is 11 times more important to the NHL. Some fucking sport.
Joe Johnson got a max contract. Some fucking sport.
Either that or there are no real pure magic wonderland “sports” out there and it’s all business/entertainment. No one watches the WEC→they don’t get paid much. Tough beans.
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by joker24 on Aug 27, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your comparison makes so little sense on so many levels... it's astounding.
I could write a diatribe chronicling all the ways you are wrong, but instead I’ll read my sig again and move along.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Ha it's definitely not perfect to compare the other sports
But no one watches the WEC→they don’t get paid. It’s simple and has nothing to do with the “importance” of a fighter or belt. James Toney makes Zuffa a truckload more money than Dominick Cruz, why wouldn’t they be willing to pay him a lot more?
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by joker24 on Aug 27, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Silence.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 27, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's true...
it’s fucking ridiculous.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
id say im pissed at this but really he is coming from boxing and is REALLY the main draw of the card
he def deserves around a good 500k but yea a lil irked at this but i understand it
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Main draw? What about Penn, he always draws good numbers
by kanodogg on Aug 27, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
let's not lie to ourselves here
Toney is going to be bringing in new viewers to this card, people that probably wouldn’t otherwise watch it. it’s like another Kimbo factor, and people that can increase the buyrates deserve to get paid good as well.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Does Randy make that much? I never thought so, and if not then Toney already won the fight he was here for in the first place, a big paycheck.
he gets a PPV cut, i think
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy makes his $$$$
Don’t worry about him.
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Yeah, Brock made $4-5 million on that card.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2010 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok I dont feel AS bad anymore
Still absurd. This is Don King type money. UFC there yet? Making Golden Boy money and then getting fighters where it’s all about the money like Shane McMahon?
It all depends on the buyrate, if the show does 700-800K buys it’s money well spent, if it only does 500,000 then not so much.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2010 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Should've made
10 million easy
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 27, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Just cause he was the main draw?
i mean… what about things like security, lights, cameras, set up crew. That’s at least 50k.
All Brock did was bring a generate a bunch of buys, show up and preform spectacularly…..
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 27, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that big Black guy who does security
deserves a good 10 mil. I mean he has to walk back and forth between the back and the cage.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 28, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Why......
are people shocked about this? Sure Toney is new to this sport but he has a recognizable name that tons of people know. Plus just him being on this card alone is drawing a lot more attention and bringing in fans from all over. It’s like this………50% of people want to see Toney get his ass kicked than another 50% wants to see Toney KO a mma fighter.
It’s not shocking, it’s just kind of gross. And people hated on Herschel…. pfft
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
by Anthony Pace on Aug 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he did
dude makes mad coin anyways, he owns a food service company and still gits a gazillion endorsements around Georgia.
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
by Anthony Pace on Aug 27, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
for true
I have to posters on my wall: Led Zeppelin and Herschel Walker
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
by Anthony Pace on Aug 27, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish there were more people like Herschel
by av1o3 on Aug 27, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Herschel is the fucking man. PURRIOUD
by Polyhedron on Aug 27, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL.
“PURRIOUD”, Toney would be proud.
by higgledy-piggledy on Aug 29, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
"MMA is the king of the [expletive] right now," Toney said, which is another reason he’s here. He’ll make an estimated $750,000 to $1 million Saturday. In boxing, "I can’t get no fights."
That’s all it says in that article, nothing where they get that estimate from or who made it. I wouldn’t take it all too serious just yet, it might be including sponsor money and all that..
For $1 million I’d let Meatloaf choke me out while my head was stuck between his breasts.
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by ufc4 on Aug 28, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In other words, they're paying him his lunch money?
Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.
Too easy!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Aug 27, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, what else are they gonna use it for? Joe Stevenson’s health insurance?
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
by crazybones on Aug 27, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
Well done.
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Only two ways that number makes sense…
Show/Win contract money (unlikely)
PPV % (likely)
I won’t be surprised when the purses are disclosed after the fight if his show money is 50-100K with an equal win bonus. I can see Toney taking a 50K/50K contract with a PPV% convincing himself the whole time this will do a million buys and he’ll make a ton on the PPV buys. Without a PPV%, the only “estimate” for his pay is his show money (low amount) and his show+win money (high amount). And I’ll be amazed if Dana signed him to a 750K base + 250K win contract.
by mma_critic on Aug 27, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
Nah, that's before PPV
Probably something like 350K/350K
James Toney isn’t going to take the fight for less than 6 figures.
Kimbo made more than that to appear on TUF 10.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 27, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But your number doesn't add up to 750,000 either
I agree that he probably has a (low) six-figure show rate and equal bonus, but I won’t be surprised if it’s lower. I have no idea what Kimbo made for being on TUF, but that amount wouldn’t have been disclosed publicly.
The main reason I don’t expect crazy show/win money is because it will come back to bite Zuffa in the ass when top-tier MMA fighters sit down to renegotiate and see Toney’s disclosed money. Also, I don’t think anyone has a 700K disclosed purse (including win), even the top guys.
by mma_critic on Aug 27, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It says nothing about disclosed purse
Could easy include a signing bonus and a “make weight” bonus.
Even the worst “PPV buy bonus” contract would net you more than that.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 27, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, it would mean every tom, dick & harry would start making negotiations a pain in the butt.
by higgledy-piggledy on Aug 29, 2010 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions
My guess would be he doesn’t even have a win bonus, just a big guarantee to show.
by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2010 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can tell you right now
that there was a lot of disorganization and change ups with his management. And trainers. And everything else you could think of. It’s been a total fustercluck so far, and I don’t see it getting any better come fight time.
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Not what I heard, but alright.
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by James Brady on Aug 28, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you know that's before PPV?
The article says he’s going to make that much money on Saturday. They could be talking everything.
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by James Brady on Aug 28, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would you be amazed? That would be a shit payday for a major boxer and they needed a major boxer to make the gimmick work.
by maskedmadman on Aug 27, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
See my comment above to S.C. Michaelson
about how a disclosed purse that high will hurt them in future negotiations with top MMA fighters. And I also said I expect him to get a PPV %, which is likely to be much, much higher than his disclosed purse (but also much, much lower than the amount Toney has likely convinced himself he’ll be getting).
by mma_critic on Aug 27, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
why would dana white talk all this shit about toney and then pay him this much money?
either dana is will to fork over this much money bc it will be the best investment with james toney? or he is just willing to pay anything to see toney get his ass whipped!
don't believe everything DW tells you
he’s obviously happy that Toney is going to fight in the UFC, he could be bringing in new fans to the sport with this fight. People need to stop listening to Dana so much like whatever he says is ‘truth’, the guy is a promoter for a reason…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Peeling back the curtain
MMA fans can be a gullible lot at times and a large portion of them have a complete inability to recognize promoter speak.
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by ufc4 on Aug 27, 2010 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
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by James Brady on Aug 28, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Toney has already won
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That seems like a pretty fair amount.
Like BJ said, Tiney is putting money in everyone’s(Zuffa and Penn’s) pocket.
1.5M is nothing compared to the amount of buzz Toney’s big mouth and gut have generated.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 27, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
"Dana White's Got Six Ferraris. Hell, I Just Want One." - Heath Herring
Heath was rather open about his critisiscm towardds the Zuffa payment model, and now he will “never fight in the UFC again”.
Dana and the Fertittas should stop dogging fighters around. As an example, at UFC 117 both Rodney Wallace made $6,000, what the hell is that? Approximately three months of training camp, and you fight three times a year and you make $18,000. That is enough to cover your expenses and provide for you family, right?
That is bullshit!
Rodney Wallace is free to pick a different profession
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by joker24 on Aug 27, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
*and Heath Herring is free to start his own promotion
Wait, you mean to tell me that the Fertittas took a huge risk in starting this thing, losing millions and millions before it got off the ground and without them fighters would be going to DREAM or whatever where they aren’t even guaranteed to get paid their contracted amount?
Not afraid to nitpick
Wait, you mean to tell me that just because they started a company and took a risk by investing their own money, you know the same risk that every founder of a company has to face, that gives them the right to pay their fighters worthless salaries so they can’t even cover health insurance?
Pretty much for a non-full time job, yes
Hell, 95% of minor league baseball players make 12k a year for their 7 months of playing time and no one complains about that. Rodney Wallace is a minor league caliber fighter. He doesn’t make Zuffa money, so they don’t pay him much money and he is willing to fight for that amount. It’s a mutual transaction here.
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by joker24 on Aug 27, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This isn't minor leagues.
Just saying.
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by James Brady on Aug 28, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually yes, any business can pay any employee any amount of money they wish as long as it is at or above the minimum wage. Employees are also free to work for someone else or choose a different career. Just like in any profession, you work your way to the top. If you aren’t willing to put the work in (whether it be in promoting the fight or being an elite talent) and take the pay you get along the way, then you better start buying lottery tickets and praying because you’ll never make it. Elite talent gets elite money in all sectors. Middle rung guys get middle money. Up and comers get low-end money. Some talk their way to the money. If the guys on the bottom got paid more, the guys on the top would complain and get more. Then you would be back here the following week complaining at the disparity.
by Steven Abbott on Aug 27, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Fertittas started the UFC? Have you been reading the Boston papers?
by maskedmadman on Aug 27, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither is complaining that they aren't running it as a charity
Without Zuffa, Rodney Wallace is….likely not fighting MMA in the United States at least making any money off of it.
Not afraid to nitpick
Charity no, but do you think it’s reasonable for fighters to work part time jobs just to be able to keep training and fighting? Come on man, don’t be retarded!
When you are a bad fighter like Rodney Wallace who was basically signed to help Phil Davis?
Yeah, you probably need to keep another job. If nothing else, Wallace would be making a terrible career choice if he was putting all his eggs in the fighting basket.
Not afraid to nitpick
How about a fighter like Cyrille Diabaté who put on a great fight at UFC 114 and got the win, he made $12,000 (including his win bonus), or a fighter like Rory MacDonald who was on the main card of UFC 115 and put on a great fight – he got paid $8000. Now he did get the fight of the night-bonus which is a nice addition but that is never a guarantee.
And you think that is fair amounts to be paid in a sport where you jeopardize your health. If you do, then you pretty much fail at understanding life.
Umm well if they don't want to jeopardize their health they don't have to fight for the UFC or anywhere
Obviously these guys are determining it is “worth it” to do so……why again would we make Zuffa pay them more than what the fighters think is worth fighting for? The UFC isn’t even a true monopoly like the other sports—-everyone on both sides is doing this 100% voluntarily. Wallace or Cyrille make Zuffa almost no money—-how many PPV buys are there out there for a non-UFC logoed Cyrille Diabate fight?
If suddenly they have to pay 15-20k for a tuneup fight for an opponent for Davis or a lesser known undercard fight…..there won’t be tuneup fights and Rodney Wallace is trying to go fight for 2k in some soon-to-be-bankrupt regional organization.
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Please stop it
You’re making too much sense.
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I came up with this solution:
Hold less fights.
If they cut back on the number of fights on a card, they can afford to pay the bottom tier guys more. It would also increase competition for TV or PPV time. The cards would also be more stacked because there would be more fighters still available for future match ups. The only problem I see is the guys at the bottom of the roster would have to fight somewhere else. You could argue whether that is a good or a bad thing.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
fred042 so how much should fighters like Rodney Wallace be paid?
I’d like to hear your suggestion.
by higgledy-piggledy on Aug 29, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
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