Is Fedor Emelianenko Ducking Alistair Overeem or Are Drug Concerns Real?
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 10:00 AM EDT
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My colleague Kid Nate considers himself a PED realist. None of us, after all, are innocent. As MMA fans we are contributing factors in young men and women doing horrible things to the human body, both their own and their opponent's. But we have to draw the line somewhere. Carnage in the cage is one thing-drug fueled carnage something else entirely.
Most MMA fans seem to agree with this premise, but logic and consistency go out the window when emotions get involved. And these days, almost no one in the industry creates more of an emotional reaction than Fedor Emelianenko. These days Fedor can't win (not even in the cage). The Russian legend is willing to step into the cage against the mammoth Alistair Overeem, but when he does so, wants the contest to be on a level playing field.
Like Floyd Mayweather, who earlier this year demanded potential opponent Manny Pacquiao face additional scrutiny and real drug testing, Fedor is apparently the villain here. I can't see how. He's well within his rights to demand Overeem, a man who has grown from a stick thin light heavyweight into a mammoth heavy, accept Olympic style drug testing. But most fans are looking at it in another way. They'd rather believe Emelianenko's drug test demands are all a smoke screen. Dave Walsh from Head Kick Legend seems to agree:
We talked to Alistair Overeem's manager, Bas Boon today to see where he stands on this, and of course, he had an answer. In regards to GG and Overeem "ducking" the Olympic Style drug testing, "all bullsh*t" was Boon's response. They will submit to drug tests like every other fighter on the card, which means they also are against certain fighters having certain treatment.
According to Boon, M-1 Global has no intentions of putting together an Alistair Overeem vs. Fedor Emelianenko bout according to their timeline of "late November or early December." M-1 Global is currently putting together a fight against Josh Barnett at Dynamite!! 2010 at the end of December, according to Boon, and this seems like a desperation move by M-1 Global management now that their negotiation tactics of the past (stalling, demanding more money, threatening lawsuits, etc.) have been exposed and cannot hold up. So it seems that calling out Overeem for a fight in Strikeforce was a negotiation tactic to help grease the wheels on the possible Barnett fight.
In fact, Overeem himself believes Fedor only issued a challenge because he and his management team had gotten wind of the Golden Glory fighter's plans to return to K-1 this fall instead of defending his title in Strikeforce:
The reason is because if I enter the Final 16 and win, I will fight the K-1 Final in December. My decision was made because nothing was certain and Strikeforce and M-1 didn't act fast enough when I made my decision to start K-1 training. Now I read on the internet that Fedor and his management want to fight me all of sudden. Do they really need two months of thinking and negotiating? I think it's a little strange to be honest.
All this begs the question: is Fedor afraid of Alistair Overeem? Surely not. The mighty and unfeeling Russian assassin? The man who stared down Mirko Cro Cop? The man who dismantled Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira? Who shellacked the giant Tim Sylvia?
Of course, Fedor's glory days are now merely memories. He's older, vulnerable, and looking for a pay check. Fighting Overeem would be hard. Maybe hard isn't in his vocabulary any more? Or maybe, just maybe, Fedor has recognized his own MMA mortality. It would be hard to miss the signals-tapping out to Fabricio Werdum was a pretty clear sign. In his Pride days he was so good it didn't matter what brand or how many pharmaceuticals his opponents ingested. Things have changed. Today's Fedor can't overcome size, strength and modern chemistry. He need to level the playing field to win.
I'm proud of Fedor and his team. Someone has to take a stand against the rampant drug use in our sport. People bury their head in the sand, pretending that PED abuse isn't a part of MMA culture. Shane Carwin showed us it is out there. It's time to do something about it. Once again, Fedor Emelianenko will lead the sport forward-whether it wants to follow him or not.
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Where was Fedor’s great concern for PED use when he was fighting in Japan?
Where was it when he faced busted juicer Tim Sylvia or signed to fight busted juicer Josh Barnett?
The fact that he is making testing demands now after ignoring the PED issue for so long speaks volumes about the real motivation behind this.
by Steve4192 on Aug 26, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
You took the words out of my mouth. The big difference between now and then is that the roiders are getting better (skill wise) and Fedor isn’t getting any younger.
I hate these bullshit strawman arguments by the Fedor haters
The whole drug testing issue is IRRELEVENT. Overeem is refusing the fight because he would rather do K1.
He told the world that Strikeforce is his first priority. He told Coker that he’d be available in the fall, or else we wouldn’t be hearing about his plans for Overeem-Silva. He told everyone that he was hoping the winner of Werdum-Fedor was Fedor. He called out Fedor, saying that he’s been trying to fight him for over a year.
Now suddenly he’s not interested?
Worse, Overeem turning down the offer makes Fedor the ducker?!?
It's called Fedor losing in the first round to Werdum
Is Strikeforce really going to give two guys a title shot in a row who are coming off of losses. That would be embarrassing. Overeem is sounding pretty rational right now.
Fedor ducked him until Reem said he was fighting K1
and you know it.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 27, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
god I hate Fedor fan boys
So Fedor is concerned about Overeem and his alleged Drug use but he is fine with Josh Barnett, right? You are proud of Fedor and his management Johnathan? For wanting to fight Josh freaking 3 times caught for steroid use barnett?
by SheepleBuster on Aug 26, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought better of you Snowden. You congratulate Fedor for leading the way against PED’s without even acknowledging the fact that he himself could very well be using PED’s as well, just because his body doesn’t look the role and he isn’t built like a Greek Adonis. If fact, it’s arguable that Fedor is even more likely to be on PED’s than other fighters, given his incredible blend of power and speed in addition to his higher level of income that would make quality PED’s and maskers more readily attainable
I'm sure M-1 really cares about cleaning up the sport
and that’s EXACTLY why they’re still managing Baby Fedor, who trained with Big Boy Fedor every day and was busted for steroids. Makes perfect sense.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 26, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Seeing how commission drug testing is a joke
I wish Overeem would agree to this and prove if he’s actually clean or not.
I don’t get why people hate on Mayweather & Fedor for wanting the sport to be clean.
It seems like from what the experts have been saying most MMA fighters do or have used PEDs so it is really a lost cause much like Beck’s love life circa 2002
They don't want the sport to be clean
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
PEDs
Are used in all pro sports, most sports only do urine testing, incapable of finding HGH and other types of substances. The level of science behind the drug industry dwarfs the people who are banging the drum for everyone to be clean.
NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, PGA, CFL, USFL, MLS….. this list goes on.
They only do the urine test.
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MLB
They are running a pilot program for blood testing in the minor leagues starting next year, if successful it could be instituted at the major league level by 2012.
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this is great progress
I know the MLB gets a lot of slack for ignoring the problem in the 90s but so was every other sport (especially Football). At least now the MLB is doing a lot to get the problem press and exposing a lot of cheaters
by TylerTreese on Aug 26, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The don't have a choice
I’m not going to pat Bud Selig on the back for any of this, thank Congress and the pressure that’s been put on the MLB to clean up their act if they don’t want government intervention.
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Dunno about progress,
a pitcher from Cinci tested positive and got a slap on the wrist.
Yep...
Agreed there.
Just speaking about right now. As it stands, no one blood tests in any major leagues. Not even boxing.
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It takes time
And blood testing drastically increases the costs associated with drug testing. In the world of combat sports where said tests are carried out by local ACs, those costs are prohibitive. Lots of ACs can’t even really afford urine testing so expecting blood testing is rather unrealistic at this point in time.
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Yep.
I tried to make point of that. What sanctioning body will be responsible for the cost, implementation and enforcing of the testing? I imagine the actual legal defense of a “positive case” can’t be cheap either. So, there’s more than just sending some dude out with a suitcase to Holland to get a few vials from Ubereem then jetsetting over to Russia and doing the same with Fedor.
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It amazes me the scrutiny baseball is put under.
It is the lowest contact of any of the sports yet it gets the highest amount of attention when it comes to PED’s. A baseball player is trying to tear the cover off a ball. An MMA fighter is trying to tear the cover of your head. Fear the day when someone gets seriously hurt by a fighter that was found to be using. It could be the end of the sport for good in this country. If minor league players are being tested than MMA fighters should certainly be tested. Not to mention football players and the rest.
by memitim on Aug 26, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I said exactly the same thing!!
“I think combat sports in particular should have the most testing done though since you can actually do a lot of physical damage to a person because of your cheating.”
I totally agree.
Absolutely
The more they, meaning promoters, leave testing up to lax, underfunded State Athletic commissions the more they put the sport at risk. It’s something that I have not been able to figure out why Dana hasn’t spearheaded the effort in the US. Nip it in the bud. Be the leader or find yourself the target of another congressional witch hunt. Except instead of your sport consisting of hitting a baseball, it’s goal is rendering your opponent unconscious in a cage. Someone will look to get votes on that cause and they will get the sport banned in the US.
Getting the sport sanctioned everywhere is more important than trying to then go and convince everyone to change the drug testing while still trying to get sanctioning. He doesn’t have to worry about congressional intervention because the drug testing is already handled by the government. It would be nice if they did more, but they have the built in excuse that it’s up to the government, Congressional intervention can turn into a states’ rights issue, and dana can just say, “we will do whatever the government says, just like we always do.”
If you become a leader in setting up an internal, impeccable testing procedure then State sanctioning will come more easily. Less is on their shoulders. UFC is in a unique position to institute such internal testing. They have no union, they are the largest organization. It is their way or the highway. So why not do it? Why leave it to risk? Especially considering what is at stake.
what risk? Congress can’t intervene. the government is already involved.
The other sports caved to keep the government out, the government is already in. People want to act like there will be some sort of moral outrage to people using, but the reality is that people don’t care about steroids unless the user is going to hit 61 home runs in one season, 755 in their career, or win 20 games.
I will give you a scenario for risk. Carwin catches Lesnar in the temple or the back of the head, knocks him out, and causes severe brain trauma or God for bid worse. The following week he is implicated for steroids. You think the John McCain’s of the world are just going to let that go? Congress isn’t done pushing baseball and football for more testing. They are placated for the moment. A scenario plays out like I illustrated for MMA, the sport is in serious jeopardy. That’s the risk. Is it worth it? What do you gain by not increasing testing?
by memitim on Aug 26, 2010 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Random pre-fight blood testing, say the week before the fight is okay
but this nonsense about WADA Olympic-Style “whereabouts” testing is incredibly expensive…at the end of the day, that is what will always keep it out – the expense.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 26, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good start. Get a precedent set and make the punishment severe for failing the test. Put some teeth on it.
by memitim on Aug 26, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you on cleaning things up
But the cynic in me thinks that with a lot of talk about the number of fighters using. Maybe Dana doesn’t want to open that can of worms to deal with. Just thinking from a different angle.
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by memitim on Aug 26, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know
I barely watch sports anymore because of this… it’s pretty disgusting that so many people cheat in sports.
I think combat sports in particular should have the most testing done though since you can actually do a lot of physical damage to a person because of your cheating.
by TylerTreese on Aug 26, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Cheating will always be a part of sport
Before it was PEDs it was other things. Human nature is to get an edge in anyway possible. If you’re looking for altruism in competition, then just stop watching, you’ll never find it.
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Looking for it is one thing.
Promoting it is another. We can try to work towards a world where fighters are forced to go without steroids without thinking we’ll ever get 100% compliance.
Throwing up our hands and doing nothing is certainly not a better answer.
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I agree 100%
It will never be truly clean but I think any true sports fan would want to try to make it as clean as possible
by TylerTreese on Aug 26, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That's not at all what I'm suggesting
All I’m saying is that history tells us that when one problem is fixed, another arises.
Look at baseball, first it was amphetamines, then it was cocaine and now it’s steroids. There will always be something to be vigilant about.
My response was more in reference to the idea that Tyler seems to think rampant cheating in pro sports is a new thing, which it isn’t by any stretch of the imagination.
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Really?
I haven’t heard much about a rash of prison underpopulation lately, have you? :-P
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Oh, so you want to revise that?
“Non-Shitty criminals are always one step ahead of the cops”?
Not quite as pithy, eh?
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You gotta fight your own battles some day. Plus Wolfgang is in the band. If you’re getting shook down by a band geek then…
Man, that is the last time I let you borrow my bike.
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?!?!?!?!?!?!?
My dad is gonna kill me.
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Well if it didn’t have that fruity basket on the front and those tassels it would have been ok. But I did get a stinky pinky from Kathy Mathurn after.
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That’s why I’m wearing this dress.
Mostly.
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Solamente gags!
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Exactly
I’m not throwing my hands up and saying forget it, just that I’m not going to be naive and think that there won’t always a be a group of athletes looking for some other way to get an edge.
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If that next problem doesn't have horrifying health risks
(because if you can think of something more horrifying than bitch tits and shrunken balls, I don’t want to ever see the inside of your mind)
…then I’d consider that progress. :-)
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The major issue that players of those sports seem to have is being stuck with a needle. I can’t see why that’s accepted as a valid excuse. Football, Basketball, and baseball players take hard knocks on a regular basis. You’re telling me a 300lbs. lineman is afraid of a needle? That reeks of bullshit.
Pacquaio was scared of needles
yet has a bunch of tattoos… yeah…
by TylerTreese on Aug 26, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that excuse was what convinced me that Pacman was doing something dirty.
You can call Floyd an asshole all you like folks, but he hit a nerve there. And I think we all know why.
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Ummm
Pacquaio said he’d take the test – you’re mistaken. Mayweather just wouldn’t accept the terms that Pac wanted.
by BeeTrain on Aug 26, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And yet it all fell apart.
Funny, eh?
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b/c mayweather
wants no part of Pac – none. he wants to keep his record unblemished and fighting Manny is the only legit threat to jeopardizing that.
Sure
But my point is that it took Pac-man an awfully long time to come around – why do you think the idea of blood tests shook him up so badly?
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You don't know the reason
Anymore than he does so don’t pretend like you have some great insight into the situation that no one else does.
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I'm not claiming that I have insight.
I’m asking his opinion: why did he think that Manny had such a hard time coming to terms with blood tests?
Also, why is there so often smoke near fire?
If you’d like to answer, feel free! And if you still have some free time, try looking up “ad hominem” in your dictionary. :-)
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Cut your condescending bullshit
Why did it take so long? Because it’s part of a negotiation.
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You really must have gotten terrible marks for playing well with others. :-(
Also: if that’s what you believe, then I think you’re being either naive or deliberately obtuse. Which do you think it is?
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Here's how it all went down.
Floyd said No fight, I want drug tests!
Manny Hesitantly agreed.
Floyd said NO! Now I want 14 or so days before the fight!
Manny Hesitantly agreed.
Floyd said NO! Now I want it before the day of the fight!
Manny Hesitantly agreed.
Floyd said NO! because uhhh…shit… okay… I want money!
Manny Hesitantly agreed.
Floyd said NO! because uhhh…. uhhh…. wait, I’m not thinking of boxing right now. sorry guys.
Manny scratched his head…
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think that what troubled a lot of us was how long those hesitations went on.
You get that, right?
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who's us?
you’re the only one blind enough not to be “troubled” by consistently moving goal posts.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
As I mentioned above, with the word "sure" in response to BeeTrain, I agree about that part.
And if you don’t see anyone else complaining about Manny in that situation, then I don’t know what to tell you.
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i get if someone complaining BEFORE,
but now that he’s bended over backwards, accepted each and every demand just to try to put the fight on, you still think he’s the one at fault here?
not the guy who consistently had an excuse on why he doesn’t want the fight? one who suddenly had to “retire” again… but after the Pacquiao and Margarito was agreed on, suddenly had the “urge” to fight in Dubai? really?
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Look, let me be plain: I think Floyd is a douche.
I’m not calling him the good guy here, in just the same way that if you read my comment down here, you’ll see that I’m not calling Fedor some kind of anti-steroid crusader.
All I’m saying is that it was suspicious, and I certainly don’t feel like anything eased my suspicions.
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all i'm saying is
Manny was willing, and is still willing, to take the drug test but it’s Mayweather who responded w/a counter demand. first it’s take a drug test or no fight, now it’s take a drug test, but under my terms (regarding timeline). it’s bullshit
Pacman said he was cool with the blood testing, but he thought it made him weak. The major issue there was when to do the blood testing and Pacman thought 3 weeks before the fight would make him weak for the fight. Still a semi-bullshit excuse.
I'm cool with blood testing...
…but I think it’ll make me short. Maybe 3 weeks out I’d have the ability to get taller, but not the day of.
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it's already old news.
Manny had agreed to testing up to the day of the fight.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Overeem was not tested by the commission in the states...
When he annihilated Rogers in St. Louis, it became known that MO does not test at all, not for PED’s, or the testing was seriously lax.
Because finally coming back to the states was a huge statement to Overeem’s suspicion with steroids, this was going to blow up into a media storm, so Coker initiated the “private testing” policy, which everyone unsurprisingly “passed”.
Just sayin.
by Dallas Winston on Aug 26, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Strikeforce test him though?
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Yes
But it was not from the commission, but a private testing from a 3rd party. To my knowledge, no information was released as to what level, standard, or depth of testing was done; just that he passed.
Again.. just sayin.
by Dallas Winston on Aug 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just wanted him to make clear that he was calling out Strikeforce specifically.
And he was!
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Actually, I wasn't "calling out Strikeforce"
I’ve adamantly stated in the past that everyone should STFU about Overeem, because there is absolutely nothing but speculation, rumors, and dorks analyzing his muscles to support the steroid angle.
I wrote kind of a “neener neener he was clean” article after Strikeforce in MO, but then I found out some specifics about the testing.
My only point is that many think it was a verifiable statement that he was clean in the US, when the details don’t really confirm that beyond a shadow of doubt because no one knows about the testing procedure.
I actually love Strikeforce and find myself constantly defending them, but I’m fair and just think the testing issue in MO is a point of interest.
by Dallas Winston on Aug 26, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
See, for me that's all a pretty good reason to call them out.
If I said that, I’d think of it that way. Sorry to confuse your intent.
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No problem, sir...
I was only clarifying MY intent.
I love Strikeforce. I’m absolutely baffled why people would want to bash them for every little thing they do wrong, when I would watch the worst Strikeforce show over anything else on TV.
And… it IS kind of a reason to “call them out”. To me, a person should avoid bias, and simply look at the goods and bads logically. Though I support them fervently, I would never deny that circumstance as looking a bit shady.
by Dallas Winston on Aug 26, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I'm upset with Overeem for other reasons
I don’t buy any of the arguments that the Reem must be juicing. He’s gained 10-15 pounds per year. Big deal.
I’m pissed at Overeem for telling everyone that his priority is Strikeforce, then when his dream matchup comes up in front of him, says that he wants to do K1.
That's not fair Mint
You know it’s a big dream for Overeem to take the K-1 title.
Dont forget they all piss on him in K-1 because they would feel ashamed when he takes the title.
Is this not what you like to see?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj9Y2vH9_0o
A guy, fighting in a tournament with his MMA short on, knocking out the most talented K-1 striker Badr Hari!
Dont forget Hari said ‘All this MMA hugging and shit is nothing, K-1 standup, real knock out’
It’s good for MMA as a sport when Overeem takes the title.
There are not many guys out there who can do this for the sport.
Giving a big finger to M-1 is a good thing as well.
They need to stop seeing Fedor as their milk cow.
Overeem is the man in Strikeforce, not Fedor. Fedor needs to proof himself again.
After that he can call out Overeem, Overeem is 100% in his right.
It disappoints me when some vocal people in cyberspace hide behind a pseudonym and make malicious and baseless attacks against athletes that have never failed a screen for banned substances. These keyboard toxicologists think that they can merely look at an athlete and "know" that so-and-so is a "juicer." There is a term for that. It's called "delusions of grandeur," and medication may help. (Dr. Johnny Benjamin)
Mint...
Do you know the whole story there though?
After Overeem beat Buentello for the title, he wasn’t even under contract with Strikeforce for years. Now, I think we all know that Fedor and his management are dictating everything. It’s a necessary evil of the open nature of Strikeforce’s contracts, which is something that I like.
If you’re gonna let your fighters fight elsewhere and cooperate with Dream, you have to accept the scheduling nightmare that comes along with it.
Motherfuckers need to host a HW tourney NOW. Overeem, Bigfoot, Werdum, Fedor, Sergei, Rogers, AA, and Cormier. I have some questions out to Coker about this.
by Dallas Winston on Aug 27, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
poor poor Coker. I could see them sitting there thinking, “m1 really wants Overeem drug tested, people hate steroids, lets just do it, what could possibly go wrong?”
And now here we are, we have it. On one hand we have some people questioning the validity of the tests (not saying your concerns are right or wrong, but I’m sure you’re not alone), and on the other hand we have the established precedent that commission regulated drug testing is not enough. So now they have to deal with this drama bomb.
If Cain pulled this before the fight with Brock, Dana could easily say, “go talk to the commission, not my department.” People could and would give him shit for not being gung ho drug testing, but at least there would be a legit excuse. Coker threw that excuse out the window in Missouri.
Somehow I knew this column was being written
Somehow
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions
Didn't take long for that original opening line to disappear:
My colleague Kid Nate is a firm believer in illicit drug use, or maybe just a PED realist. Nate wants to see athletes at their physical best colliding in the cage-long term consequences be damned. It’s a perfectly reasonable position.
by Snedds on Aug 26, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Hahahah
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
i am with Nate
Faster healing means, more fights and longer careers.
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Except I don't think that's Kid Nate's opinion at all.
Especially as the article linked to has the following statement:
I’m 100% in support of WADA style drug testing for ALL MMA fighters. I’m for random testing of licensed fighters between fights and I’m for serious punishment for fighters who fail multiple tests. And unlike many of you, I’m willing to pay a surcharge for my PPVs and tickets to pay for the testing. I’ll also bravely advocate that all promoters take a 10% pay cut to cover the additional costs.
thanks for noticing
Jon wrote this piece before I made that update to clarify my position.
Testing is a farce and Fedor’s camp is clearly full of shit in both their interest in fighting Overeem and their request that he and he alone submit to WADA style testing.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 26, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I'm not used to agreeing with you, Nate
It feels strange
It has nothing to do with MMA or PED's...
but I’m a firm believer in illicit drug use. ;)
by Dallas Winston on Aug 26, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Whut whut?
“He’s well within his rights to demand Overeem, a man who has grown from a stick thin light heavyweight into a mammoth heavy, accept Olympic style drug testing.”
- Agreed but he never brought up such a case when fighting Tim Sylvia or Josh Barnett both who had been convicted in the past for PED use.
- While he has a right, there also has to be some serious changes. Who pays for the testing? Which governing body does the testing? Will Fedor submit to the same testing? How do you organize blood tests for a fighter who lives in Hickville, Russia and the other lives in Holland but primarily fights in Japan?
I’m all for Olympic style drug testing for any sport, get anything that’s HGH to Blood Doping to Dianabol. How do you implement the actual testing procedure and at who’s cost? WADA & the IOC are massive business compared to the likes of the UFC & Strikeforce. To step up to that level of testing would be a huge problem for most promotions to compete.
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All of what you wrote about Alistair's drug use is heresay
it’s libel, and i consider it fighter bashing.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
ALSO
how is he taking a stand when he’s trying to set up a fight with Barnett, someone who has tested positive multiple times?
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Not only is he trying to set up that fight
He’s trying to set it up in a place with LESS regulation than we have here.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I’d fighter Anderson right now."
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by Worldisart on Aug 26, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he conveniently leaves out that “baby fedor” had an issue with ped’s, getting them from the red devil camp that fedor trains out of. body types have proved nothing, until someone pops positive it is just as likely Fedor could have taken something too.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Libel? I don’t think you read what you think you read.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
there is a complete implication that Alistair has taken PEDs
it’s the undertone of the article- and yet, he’s never tested positive.
And you conveniently leave out that he fought Sylvia, who tested positive, and wants to fight Barnett, who has multiple times.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
BElitists are not lawyers.
Not that that stops them…
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merriam webster definition
a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Does the definition of lawyer include you?
Cause that’s what I was arguing.
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do you agree with what i’m saying or are you trying to be funny?
because Snowden CLEARLY implies in his article that Overeem has used something. That is not something i would expect of a respected journalist.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Snowden was a respected author...
…and a blogger for a “copy and paste” site.
But to your point: I was calling your out for making a vague statement about libel when the whole point of the law is that it provides us a very strict and well-defined standard for libel that your accusations fail to meet. Saying that you’re stretching the dictionary’s definition is saying “well, I know this wouldn’t stand up in court….” so what’s the point of saying it?
In other words: don’t appeal to the law when you’re not going to adhere to legal standards.
And more importantly, it was a cheap shot and a way of dismissing the argument instead of addressing the point. Which is why I stuck my nose in. Well, that and I miss the chats we used to have. :-)
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i miss them too
at one point, everyone needs to step back and realize how much the convo’s on BE effect their blood pressure haha
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i believe i’m stretching the definition, but the entire article attacks Alistair’s credibility
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I did nothing of the sort. Did you read the article? I speculated that Fedor is slowing down and may believe he can no longer overcome the PED odds the way he once did. It’s right in the article.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
And then ignored the fact
that Fedor/M1 wants to fight Josh in Japan in December…
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what kind of testing is being discussed for that fight. Neither do you.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I do know
there is some strange public demand being made of Josh, so on it’s face it shows the silliness of your claim in this article. Add to that, we all are painfully aware of how testing works (doesn’t work) in Japan.
If Fedor was really worried about PEDs, as you claim, he wouldn’t be fighting in Japan against a RAMPANT PED user.
If Fedor rally wated to clean up PED use in MMA, as you claim, M1 events would have instituted WADA testing.
Your conclusions do not support the facts.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
fixed. whoops
there is NOT some strange public demand being made of Josh
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Did Fedor lose a step?
Or perhaps he got beat fair and square? Perhaps that the athletes today are better than those 5 years ago?
I’m not sure why every time a former great loses, he’s lost a step rather than he other fighter just plain beat him. I mean, did Bob Sapp lose a step? Was he as good as he looked in his Pride days when he shellacked Nogueira for almost 15 minutes?
Fedor back in the days fought fighters who were juiced up the day of the fight. In the US, at least he’s not fighting fighters with active steroids in their bodies. Everyone uses something when they’re not fighting. Hell, there are 10 flavors of legit steroids prescribed to you when you injure your arm or leg by doctors!
When you fight top competition consistently, you will lose. And top competition today are far and away better than top competition of 5 years ago. Steroid didn’t win fights 5 years ago…why all of a sudden they win fights today?
Go do a google search on Jose Bautista
and steroids and see how many articles from respected journalists pop up wondering if the Blue Jays player who has never shown any power during his career and is now suddenly the HR leader. Raising the question is not libelous. If it was every baseball writer from Peter Gammons to beat writers fonthe Toledo Mud Hens would be wrapped up in court.
by memitim on Aug 26, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m proud of Fedor and his team. Someone has to take a stand against the rampant drug use in our sport.
This is like being proud of HItler for revitalizing Germany.
….Godwin’s Law.
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by crazybones on Aug 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
BOOOM!
That shit just happened! !!!!
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know where to put this, but it's something I've been wanting to say for about a year
I need to confess it. I was down with the IMMAC (internet MMA community) for a while back before TUF and everything, then it got retarded and real life took over and I stopped (still was a hardcore fan). Anyway, when I first got back to being on the IMMAC, I thought Ariel Helwani was the name of a UFC ring girl.
There I said it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
You are not the only one
I listened to audio of Ariel Helwani interviewing Arianny, and I thought the girl was Ariel and vice versa.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
I was always a little confused as well. I was like “damn, super hot ring girl and a respected MMA jlournalist?”
M-1 shoudl sponsor a summit on the issue
Not make transparent, red herring demands of a fighter they clearly don’t want to fight.
I’m all for a real, honest, open and frank discussion about the use of PEDs in the sport and what can be done about or even if anything should be done about it. If M-1 wants to lead that charge, good on them.
That’s not what’s happening here though, and you’d have to be pretty naive to believe it is.
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“Once again, Fedor Emelianenko will lead the sport forward-whether it wants to follow him or not.” BAHAHAHAHA. Are you kidding? Clearly you’re not. That sentence is embarrassing.
by dollargalt on Aug 26, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
In general, I’m for more drug testing, but I would like the messages to have some sort of consistency. Mayweather said he wanted the blood testing, he didn’t get it, so he fought someone else, with blood testing.
Fedor, on the other hand, has fought numerous people who have tested positive in the past without any extra demands, and on the same day this story comes out, is talking about taking fights in Japan or Russia, where there is absolutely no drug testing to talk of.
I stopped believing anything coming out of M1’s mouth when they are in negotiation mode a long time ago. This latest controversy is largely irrelevant because it seems like everyone who has anything to do with making this fight knows that Overeem is booked for the year. So if m1 continues their process of “leading the sport forward” with their “lucrative offer from the japanese partners” I will buy it. I’m sick of hearing m1 talk, I’d like to see them do somthing.
Is this article for real?
JonathanSnowden, why should a fighter be subjected to Olympic style drug testing just because of his size?
Why would a fighter who isn’t using illegal drugs decline a test?
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
the clean fighters need to step it up. if you’re clean then do some extra testing.
by TylerTreese on Aug 26, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would an innocent man decline a personal search?
Because the rules say they can.
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Obvious troll is obvious
Because people have a right to privacy.
A right to privacy? Give me a break. Knock off the “troll” talk. It’s tiresome, insulting, and wrong.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
you can't just tell us to "knock it off"
that is many of our opinions, and we have every right to it. Nate has taken FAR more crap from readers than you have on this site- it’s our right to point out when we think your articles have flaws. Just because you think you’re above the law for some reason doesn’t mean we can’t have viewpoints.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling somebody a troll isn't really substantive debate.
And a right to privacy is a non-issue. People that want special privileges – like the opportunity to engage in prize-fighting – routinely give up some amount of their privacy. They submit to a ton of bloodwork already – it’s not like there’e something that’s going to turn up in a blood screen for steroids that wouldn’t have turned up in the bloodscreen they already submit for HIV, Hep, etc.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
As if you and the rest of the staff are above childish behavior in the comment section?
Give me a break.
I’m not gonna call anyone a name… But if I did, that name would be Sensitive Sally. (but I wouldn’t do that)
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by MMArazorback on Aug 26, 2010 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you don't like the idea that the people who work here get special privileges, I can help you set up your own blog if you like.
But it’s their house and their rules. What’s so crazy about that?
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I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest that the writers of a wildly popular blog hold themselves to the same if not higher standards than the readers.
Double standards =/= special privileges
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by MMArazorback on Aug 26, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nope
with the responsibilities of having to answer for our work to the people we cover come the allowances to break some of the rules we have for the commenters. And some of the staff have more latitude than others based on seniority, title, etc.
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How about obvious trolling is obvious?
I don’t think you are a troll …. but I do think you are trolling. I just can’t accept that a reasonably intelligent and savvy guy like yourself believes that this latest demand has anything to do with M-1 wanting to take ‘clean up the sport’ when they have never shown any concern about PED testing in the past.
By my count, Fedor has either fought or signed to fight four guys who have failed PED tests (Hoffman, Randleman, Sylvia, Barnett), fought three other guys who have been dogged by PED rumors throughout their careers (Arona, Goodridge, Coleman), spent the vast majority of his career fighting in promotions that did not PED test (Rings, Pride), had a training partner who flunked a PED test (Kirill Sidelnikov ), and is part owner of a promotion that ignored said training partner’s PED suspension and booked him in fights.
by Steve4192 on Aug 26, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I believe it doesn’t matter why he might have taken this action. It doesn’t matter why Mayweather did. It’s important that we clean up the sport.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You are proud of him for taking a stand to clean up the sport,
even though he may not be taking a stand to clean up the sport…
and instead could be pointing out and using the sports deficiencies to gain a personal advantage. The “why” is important in that regard.
by truck on Aug 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What Fedor is doing is more accurately described as “faking a stand against PED abuse”
by nastyem on Aug 26, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Nice.
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because he would have to submit to a test that NO other fighter on the card would have to take, just because of the heresay about his body type. it’s completely within his rights.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a tick...
If they submit to Olympic Style drug testing, what regulatory body of controlled substances are they going to use as the requirement for passing?
A Canadian rower lost a medal two olympics ago because she took cough medicine that had dextramathorathin in it. a “banned” substance.
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The question is why should certain fighters get certain treatment when it comes to testing? You’re talking about an even playing field so shouldn’t all fighters be subjected to the same rules all across the board? Why should a select few fighters be subjected to Olympic style drug testing while others aren’t?
Afraid of needles I hear.
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can i come go through your stuff in your dresser drawers? ?
If your answer is no….. What is it That you are trying to hide. Kitty porn???
I doubt it and how dare I suggest such a thing. That wouldn’t be a fair assessment of the situation, would it?
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kitty porn?
That’s disgusting. But if you’re into that kind of thing I guess it must be a lucky break that cats don’t wear clothes….
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i was gonna post a Lol cat pic with that post
But I am mobile. :-(
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because he doesn’t want to play the M1 game? This is the same argument used when governments try to cut back on peoples liberties: “Why would you not want us to be able to secretly search your computer’s hard drive any time if there’s nothing illegal on there?”.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Okay, this argument keeps getting made, but I think it's a red herring.
The reasons I – as an innocent, law-abiding person – might not want the police to have the ability to come on my property and search my home at any time might include:
- They might find things that while not illegal are at least embarrassing – intimate photos of a spouse for instance.
- They could uncover trade secrets of my business that are not illegal but could be used to damage my company, aid my competitors or blackmail me
- They could plant evidence for later searches that could incriminate me.
Which of those sorts of things applies to the blood of an athlete? Is that where Overeem stashes his cellphone pics of his girlfriends?
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To play devils advocate
A fighter could have a condition that would not allow him to fight (maybe sickle cell or something to that effect IDK I’m not a doctor I just play one on TV). And while it would be better to have that guy not fighting because of his condition, he may want to hide that to further his career.
There’s also a possibility of them finding embarrassing things like an STD. That information could potentially (although unlikely) leak. And nobody wants less ladies in their life.
I believe they're already being tested for most of that stuff...
…as part of their medicals.
So….
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Yeah, it's when I realized that that I started coming around on this issue.
But I’m actually fishing for somebody to tell me why I’m wrong. :-)
I believe in a strict right to privacy, penumbra or no penumbra, and I’d like to hear a good argument against what I posted.
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Or
I just don’t want my privacy impinged.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
In what way is the privacy of a fighter being affected....
…given that they already have to submit to blood tests as part of the medical testing?
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Not the same kind of testing
You don’t just get to take extra or do extra to me because of random “suspicion”. We are already subject to many types of privacy invasion, that doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to lose more just because we already lost some.
In addition, if it really is Olympic style testing they want, that means he would have to let the commission (or whoever) track his whereabouts at all times and be able to ask for immediate tests regardless of what he is doing in his private life. It’s MUCH more than just one more vial of blood.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
From the fighter's perspective, it's the same kind of testing
I mean, they don’t withdraw it from the liver or anything, yes?
That said: if you want to be a [“fucking”] fighter, you already submit to any number of invasions of privacy (not the least of which is showing off your hideously bad ink on television) – I don’t see this is as an unfair trade, especially for people in championship fights.
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I would agree
if it was consistent for all of the fighters.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely.
I don’t think anyone is saying, “I want blood tests – but only for Overeem, Carwin, Barnett…”
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To add to your list the biggest one for
me is DNA.
....which is also going to be exposed to the people collecting the bloodwork for the rest of the medical tests, righr?
I mean, if somebody wants to conduct DNA screening on the fighters, their blood is already being handed off to a number of different labs each time they fight. That being the case, it’s not really an issue here.
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Allowing himself to be singled out
Is giving credibility to baseless accusations.
Basically because the MMA community can’t fathom that someone would actually put on weight rather than play the “how low can you go” game of weight cutting, everyone is calling the guy a juicer with absolutely nothing to back it up but “meh, he looks big”.
By allowing people to stipulate that he has to do special testing that nobody else in the sport is required to do, it’s acknowledging the allegations that are honestly complete bullshit.
Talk to me when he fails a test. Until then, it’s just a bunch of out of shape guys who have never been to a gym who don’t seem to realize that if you change your diet and workout plan gasp you can get bigger!
DID THEY DEMAND BARNETT TAKE A SPECIAL DRUG TESTING?
M1 need to go and sit down.
As others have mentioned on the interweb. M1 didn’t demand any “special” drug testing before the Fedor-Branett fight did they?
Secondly, how convenient to demand an Overeem fight when Overeem has already commited himself to K1 until possibly the end of the year.
I’m not buying M1’s BS.
by higgledy-piggledy on Aug 26, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Problem is...
… most people belive that M1 doesn’t want the fight regardless. The fact that M1 seems almost desperate to fight Barnett in Japan shows that Fedor can’t care that much about cleaning up the sport and makes the whole notion of “Fedor Emelianenko will lead the sport forward-whether it wants to follow him or not” seem kind of silly.
Why would you duck Overeem but want to fight Barnett? Barnett is a much more accomplished heavyweight who would wreck Alistair.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if accomplishments were all that mattered
Fedor would still be number 1
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by DamnSevern on Aug 26, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the article on MMA Fighting with Overeem puts a lot into perspective from Overeem’s point of view.
I personally just ignore anything I hear from M1 as their track record sucks.
by higgledy-piggledy on Aug 26, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know, but why would you want blood testing for overeem while talking about fighting Barnett in Japan? How does this current demand fit with their previous attitude of giving Baby Fedor 2 fight while suspended by the CSAC for PEDs?
In general, I’m for more testing. But the attitude that I have, and I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t have when it comes to M1 is, STFU and do something.
This talk is great, call me when they fight someone with blood testing.
exactly.
It’s just smoke and noise
by higgledy-piggledy on Aug 26, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Much more accomplished =/= much more talented TODAY.
Barnett several years ago =/= to the Barnett who fought Mighty Mo, Yvel, and Geronimo Dos Santos.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
when did I say he's more accomplished? His resume is surely no match for barnett's
but his skills aren’t… I’m saying Overeem is more talented TODAY.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on Anton having two eyes and being able to form opinions based on observations. Or I guess you don’t have opinions, only facts, right?
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that's what i was asking
or you may have missed the point as usual. i was asking him why he thought that Overeem was more talented than Barnett – read above.
have you seen Barnett fight recently?
has he impressed you against those VERY HIGH level talent he’s faced? (I’m being sarcastic if you still didn’t get that)…
People crap on Overeem’s opponents, but Brett Rogers, and the very best of K-1, are far more skilled than those guys Barnett is facing… and sadly, Josh didn’t even look that impressive against them.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
how dare you shit
on Mighty Mo! i actually just watched his fight against Dos Santos and I came away impressed, regardless of the fact that he may not be considered “high” talent.
lol okay.
Overeem has faced better competition recently… and at least when Overeem was fed cans, he crushed them like he should’ve. He didn’t look slow, or get beat up while on full mount.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if Barnett roided up as usual,
I think he would put up a decent fight, but would eventually get kneed to the face still.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
He is the better fighter. On the feet he would smash him. And even if it hit the floor I don’t think Barrnett is significantly better or could control MegaReem. MegaReem by domination rd. 1
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
are you kidding????
I couldn’t disagree with your reasoning anymore. They are ducking Alistair out of fear of being MegaReemed. Anyone that bothers complaining about peds at HW is looking for a way out…… If you are scared of someone being stronger then you then drop weight classes. Otherwise stfu And put the gloves on .
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please.
Style-wise, Barnett has never had anything for Fedor. Worse striking and worse takedowns than Fedor means that Barnett would have a hell of a time getting into an advantageous position on the ground against him.
Whereas Overeem would at LEAST be a huge threat to Fedor standing up.
by CstBoog on Aug 26, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Much better style matchup for Fedor
Barnett isn’t a threat on his feet and Fedor typically does well against grapplers, especially considering Barnett isn’t known for his game off his back.
We’ve seen Fedor have problems with good strikers, and a guy like Overeem who’s got a strong chin and huge power is really dangerous for Fedor’s team.
Nevermind that if Barnett won, it’d likely be by decision or sub, which isn’t as dramatic as being KTFO by Overeem.
And going 0-2 sinks the Fedor ship.
Barnett has never been the explosive, kneeing, striking beast that Ubereem has become.
It's all speculation
I have no idea why speculation seems to be the critical foundation for so many people. The speculation of Overeem on steroids is just as ridiculous as “M-1 doesn’t want the fight”.
Does it really make sense to argue against baseless speculation with… baseless speculation?
by Dallas Winston on Aug 26, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
A) People keep talking about what Fedor said when they mean "what M-1 put in a press release."
Pretending that those are the same thing is silly. Fedor may or may not have any idea what’s going on with all of this for all we know.
B) If Fedor really wanted to take a stand on steroids, he would make these demand for all of his fights and not fight in unregulated countries and state, and if M-1 cared, they’d demand it in all of the shows they promote. {cough}
C) While Fedor is CERTAINLY not afraid of fighting Overeem – steroids or no – M-1 may be afraid of Fedor fighting and losing to Overeem. Hear me out:
Fedor is a great fighter. You don’t need me to tell you that. But he’s great because he’s a generalist. He’s never going to be the best striker, wrestler or submission guy in MMA. In his fight against Werdum, he made the mistake of trying to play in Werdum’s world and paid the price. That’s not to say that he can’t beat Werdum, but the last thing M-1 wants from his next fight is for him to face another specialist with a good chance of beating him. Overeem has the skills to make quick work of Fedor if Fedor gets overconfident like he did against Werdum. A fight against another generalist like Barnett is much safer, so of course they want that.
So in summation: I don’t think Fedor himself is asking for any of these fights, I don’t think Fedor gives a shit about the steroid issue, and I don’t think we should take anything from this except that M-1 wants Fedor to win his next fight – and they think Barnett is a guy he can beat.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 26, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
jeebus christ.
At first some people Applauded Floyd for “wanting to clean up boxing” and now were doing this with M-1 also? haven’t anyone learned from Floyd that it was NEVER about the drug testing? Pacquiao agreed to his crazy demands, and newer demands came up… When Manny agreed to that also, he suddenly “isn’t thinking about boxing” anymore… It’s the same situation here.
M-1 doesn’t care about testing. They fought Tim Sylvia — who’s failed a drug test — and signed to fight Josh Barnett — who failed 2 drug tests BEFORE he failed the CSAC test that cancelled their Affliction fight — and said nary a word about drug testing. They were talking about fighting Antonio Silva — who’s failed drug test — and again, not a peep about drug tests.
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Furthermore, up until the point that Overeem announced that he would be fighting K-1 the rest of the year they were saying that “the fans want Fedor vs Werdum”. Frankly this is all a big excuse to screw Strikeforce and take the biggest payday in front of them — NYE in Japan at Dynamite!! likely against Josh Barnett. Mark my words, there will be no discussion of drug testing from M-1 if that fight is signed.
and M-1 bringing this all up, months after Overeem has decided to do K-1 is very very fishy. If you can’t smell that, maybe you need to visit Wanderlei’s doctor.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
and yet, no one EVER assaults Wandy’s character because he’s beloved…
even though pictures of him as a gangly teenager vs. his greek god physique in pride look a little strange.- pictures are not evidence
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s saying if you can’t smell the fishy business you should get your nose repaired. Wanderlei got his nose repaired! Pretty much the entire Silva v. Bisping fight was Rogan talkin’ about septums and noses and breathing!
thank you.
for saving me the time to explain that. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 26, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry anton
your point was apt, and i knew what you were trying to say, but truly, the fickel MMA fans’ (and yes, plural) is always negative towards people perceived negatively in the public eye- but for a legend like wandy, its a hush/hush you can’t say that!! type of thing, and i was taking the opportunity to bring light to that
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
AMEN!!!
It was never about PED’s. It’s the game they play to avoid risky fights and get as much money as possible for their side business. All this BS that Fedor is not invovled and it’s management is smelling more like BS too.
Fedor is 20% owner and he posted on his own Facebook page that NOW he wants AO. Only after AO has committed to K-1. They ducked him AO from the start. Back when he signed with Strikeforce in August of 2009 AO was the obvious choice.
Enough of this Snowden side tracking BS that this is about PED’s and how proud we are for M1 and Fedor. Proud of nothing, as it’s part of their (M1) way of gaming any partnership they are invovled in.
Either Snowden a Soviet ball sucker or he’s an obivous Troll. There is no way he actually believes what he’s writing.
by KillerInstinct on Aug 26, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Where were all these demands when he was fighting in unregulated Japan all those years?
There were no calls for this testing against Josh Barnett a now three time failure.
This is just M-1s way of making sure the fight doesn’t happen, they can’t afford for Fedor to come out of SF on a 2 fight losing streak
I don’t agree with Snowden, but I love this article. It’s awesome how it has at least one line to piss off 99.9% of the people in this debate. Even Fedor fans who think he’s standing on principle and nodding along with this article have this dropped on them:
Of course, Fedor’s glory days are now merely memories. He’s older, vulnerable, and looking for a pay check.
BLASPHEMER!
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Ehh
I don’t entirely agree with that. Sure all fighters want to be paid, but I think he’s seriously thinking about his legacy. Who knows how many years of his career are left – and I’m sure he wants to spend the latter portion of those years fighting (and beating) top level fighters such as Overeem.
here we go. just copy the entire convo from Nate’s post and that’s what this will look like. don’t know how one issue can be argued about so many times in such a short period of time. there’s literally nothing to be added at the moment
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 26, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
truth.
Snowden trying to get hits again.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I don't think that's fair
He’s offering an opposing opinion, an opinion that is shared by a fair number of people, just not by you and me.
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i suppose
i just don’t get how the opinion can be completely biased and based off no fact at all, and come from a “respected” journalist, author of one of the defining books on our sport.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 26, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Key word, OPINION
An editorial, or opinion piece by it’s very nature is biased and does not need to adhere to hard facts. Much like you I totally disagree with Snowden, but I’m not going to throw him under the bus for it is I guess what I’m trying to say.
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Of course, Fedor’s glory days are now merely memories. He’s older, vulnerable, and looking for a pay check. Fighting Overeem would be hard. Maybe hard isn’t in his vocabulary any more? Or maybe, just maybe, Fedor has recognized his own MMA mortality. It would be hard to miss the signals-tapping out to Fabricio Werdum was a pretty clear sign. In his Pride days he was so good it didn’t matter what brand or how many pharmaceuticals his opponents ingested. Things have changed. Today’s Fedor can’t overcome size, strength and modern chemistry. He need to level the playing field to win.
The guy loses once, subbed by a BJJ world champion, and now he’s:
Old (33), vulnerable (from 1 loss?), money-grubbing (always was), lacks MMA immortality (was never immortal), can’t beat guys on drugs anymore (?), and can’t overcome size and strength (neither of which beat him the first time).
Alarmist much?
http://www.instrength.com
by Tim Burke on Aug 26, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 13 recs
thats some real ass shit.
I co-sign
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd rec the dogshit out of this if I wasn't at work.
Talk about overreacting!
Before, fedor was immortal and untouchable. Then he loses one time and now he’s just a desperate shell of his former self. Why can’t people treat him like a normal fighter. He is and always was an amazing fighter, and ALL fighters lose.
I love BE and do my best to voice my satisfaction as often as my complaints… But it feels like nowadays writers are just trying to say something more contraversial than everyone else to cheaply generate heat.
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by MMArazorback on Aug 26, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s not the case at all. Fedor looked bad against Arlovski and Rogers before losing to Werdum. He’s clearly slowing. It happens to athletes as they age. It’s not “controversial.”
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But Big Nog made a career out of getting pummeled. Fedor made a career out of pummeling Big Nog.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Very nice.
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No, he isn't
Fighters are just getting better.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He hardly “looked bad” against Arlovski because AA backed him up a bit. It’s not like he’s never been backed up or had a fight brought to him a bit in the past. It’s not getting old, it’s FIGHTING. He KO’d the eff outta both those guys.
http://www.instrength.com
And…
Today’s Fedor can’t overcome size, strength
The win over Brett Rogers (who you said made him look bad) 9.5 months ago kind of goes against this point.
http://www.instrength.com
Yeah.. with Arlovski and Rogers they pursued him in the beginning and he felt what they had and then knocked them both the F*ck out. Sylvia just stood in front of Fedor so he pursued immediately and well knocked him the F*ck out.
Yeah.. with Arlovski and Rogers they pursued him in the beginning and he felt what they had and then knocked them both the F*ck out. Sylvia just stood in front of Fedor so he pursued immediately and well knocked him the F*ck out.I agree “it’s FIGHTING.”
by Brennan Linn on Aug 26, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I coulda swore he ko’d both AA and Rogers…
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by MMArazorback on Aug 26, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this and the PED issue are two seperate things.
If Fedor signs a fight with Josh Barnett you are going to look pretty stupid with this stance.
I’m all for cleaning up the sport but to think Fedor is doing this solely for those reasons is a bit much.
I don’t see what drug testing would even accomplish. If it’s to even the playing field – assuming that Overeem uses – it’s too late. Recent studies show that the gains made on PEDs are easily retained. So unless one stops a fighter from gaining the muscle in the first place, the damage is done. That fighter could test clean for the rest of his career and still retain the advantage he gained from “using” earlier in career.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/08/muscle-memory/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29
by John Nash on Aug 26, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If Fedor/M1 was seriously trying to clean up the sport
why don’t they do WADA testing at all M1 events they promote? THAT would actually make sense, if that was their goal.
Suggesting that their demands to make only Overeem blood test is somehow an altruistic desire to clean up the sport is ridiculous.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The best way to get out of a fight if you really wanted to would be to test your opponent. Not saying thats what Fedor is doing BUT i don’t foresee a rematch between Brock and Shane. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were all juicing. Not one of them would want a through blood test done lol.
by Papercut Elbow on Aug 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
Shane Carwin showed us it is out there.
Dana White said in an interview the other day that Shane came up on a Balco type of list, but he never has tested positive for anything.
So does that mean he did steroids or he didn’t?
Ask any of the players
who showed up on the Mitchell Report what the public opinion is on whether or not they did steroids after they received them from Radomski. Carwin is in the same boat.
that is a complete conflation of two things
Carwin was named by a US Attorney in a court of law as having received illegally prescribed drugs. This is far far different from the Balco list.
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that is why Carwin’s situation is more like the players who received PED’s from Radomski or the players who were implicated in the Signature Pharmacy bust detailed in Mitchell. None of those players will ever get the benefit of the doubt. Neither will Shane.
When you put in several orders for multiple steroids in known recipes for building muscle and minimizing side effects,
…you don’t really deserve the benefit of the doubt. What would the doubt be? What other possible explanation is there? He was holding them for a friend? He didn’t circulate that blood?
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I keep waiting for some real Carwin-loving fan to come up with one though.
I just can’t imagine what it will be.
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watch the dana white interview with ariel helwani from the other day… he says something to that effect about balco or something.. and that carwin never tested + for them…
by Brennan Linn on Aug 26, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You may not agree with Snowden’s pieces but he sure does know how to fire up a debate
by mr. gogoplata on Aug 26, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fedor, M1, Overeem, PEDS
He knows the community and what topics we are divided on. Fedor and the Overeem PEDs topics always get lots of posts. It doesn’t matter what you say in a story about the two we all click on it to take a side. Its been done so many times, but yet here we all are again.
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We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water
Yeah Fedor has a loss. Yeah there’s a debate about Overeem and roids. I think the bottom line should be, if these guys fought, we would watch. Now with Overeem saying it probably won’t happen, we’re looking to see who Fedor will fight next. I think, especially after the loss to Werdum, he wants to redeem himself and his reputation as the world’s best. Lets not forget who Fedor is and what he is done just because he lost once. Overeem and Fedor are both great fighters and great attractions for fans. Of course we can wish they would fight each other, the reality may be otherwise. Either way we’re going to watch BECAUSE its Overeem and Fedor, no matter who they fight.
I agree with snowden 100%.
Fact of the matter is, overeem is obviously the one who is scared here. comparisons to floyd/manny are null and void.
Reem would probably test positive for HGH
I'm curious why everyone is focusing on the drug testing and giving Overeem a pass
Drug testing doesn’t even matter here. M1 hasn’t commented on it, and Overeem isn’t refusing the fight because of it. It’s just rumours and speculation of what may happen if Overeem wanted to fight, but he doesn’t.
These are facts:
-Overeem said that Strikeforce was his #1 priority
-He claims that he’s been wanting to fight Fedor for over a year, despite fighting in Strikeforce only ONCE in 2008, 2009, 2010 combined. His desire to fight Fedor is far hollower than anything M1 has done.
-He’s got the chance now and is turning it down due to K1
I can’t understand all the Fedor hate when so much two-faced bullshit is coming out of Overeem’s ass. When a fighter calls someone out, it’s serious business. Coker was planning on Silva-Overeem in the fall, and he said himself Strikeforce is his priority, so clearly he was okay with a fall MMA bout instead of K1. Why is he suddenly saying that fighting Fedor is impossible due to K1?
It makes sense that his desire to fight fedor lessened when fedor lost. I know people seem to think that Fedor’s loss doesn’t matter. But it matters a lot, for both sporting and entertainment reasons.
It was pretty obvious that K1 is always on Overeem’s mind. SF, and M1 waited until now to bring up the thoughts of a fight. Give him a hard time about the testing if you want to, but anyone with a brain would have seen this K1 issue coming up.
The difference is that this year Overeem stated himself that Strikeforce is high priority
K1 never stopped him from MMA before. Just look at his record. He fought Badr Hari on 12/31/2008 — his biggest K1 fight ever at the time — yet was fine with an MMA fight a month earlier. He fought in the 2009 K1 GP (R16 on 09/26/2009, finals on 12/05/2009) yet had no problem doing MMA in between with two Oct fights and one Dec fight in 2009.
His problem was not K1 stopping him from fighting in MMA. It was injury (that street fight, IIRC) and his preference to fight in Japan or the Netherlands.
It wasn't much of a wait, either
In late-July, we were still hearing that the Werdum surgery wasn’t certain:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/07/21/fabricio-werdums-surgery-is-no-guarantee-neither-is-fedor-rema/
Like all fighters, Fedor wanted to avenge his loss, so naturally the Werdum rematch was his first goal. After some dates on Werdum’s return started to materialize, we started hearing rumours about Fedor fighting Silva, Barnett, and then Overeem. This was a matter of a few weeks.
“I personally think that Alistair Overeem did not reach the desired level to challenge Fedor. He beat a lot of no-name opponents in Mixed Martial Arts. Overeem defeated Paul Buentello and then disappeared from the United States for more than two year, which is simply ridiculous. He has nothing to offer for Fedor Emelianenko. Also, pay attention that Werdum beat Overeem when they were fighting in Pride, four years ago… We do not fight for the Strikeforce Heavyweight Title. Strikeforce are our partner, and any titles whether it is UFC, Strikeforce, WAMMA, Dream… they are just medals. Fedor is above these things. We are interested in the level of our opponent and his popularity among the audience… We are more interested in fighting Josh Barnett, who is currently disqualified until September. When he returns from his suspension and if he tests clean, we might consider fighting him.”
- The Russian Managing Maniac, Vadim Finkelstein via sports.ru
All it took to change their mind was Overeem announcing he wouldn’t be available for the fight!
He’s been fighting cans almost exclusively ever since he moved up to HW. He beats them up pretty damn good and it looks pretty amazing but if he gets hit hard he crumbles. Is he at the height of his skill? Sure. But, Fedor’s casting punch, which he has won so many times with, is a perfect counter to Overeem’s style. Doesn’t surprise me he doesn’t want to face Fedor now that Werdum has already beat him. There is no upside. Overeem can only hope to avenge his loss to Werdum and then I would be surprised to see him fight in SF again.
One more thing:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/07/20/alistair-overeem-wants-fabricio-werdum-next-100-confident-he/
The Dutch fighter went on to explain that he would like to fight Emelianenko after Werdum and then finish up the K-1 Finals.
“Second fight is the Fedor fight. He lost his last fight. Did he get caught? I don’t know. Has he lost it? I don’t know. But he’s still one of the guys I would love to fight. I’ve been challenging him for a year, I was hoping that I was going to be the one to beat him, but now he’s lost to Werdum. But still, I’ve been challenging him for a year, so I still want to fight him.
“And then the third choice would be the K-1 Finals, the last fight.”
Damn, meant to put this post as a reply to Phildo
Anyway, it still shows you that this drug testing stuff is irrelevent. Overeem is the one reneging after calling out Fedor.
Exactly how long
Is Overeem supposed to wait around while M-1 decides if he’s a worthy opponent or not? They’ve said multiple times they don’t want to fight him, and then as soon as he says he’s going to do K-1 they say they want to fight him.
Should Overeem just twiddle his thumbs for a year while M-1 decides if they want the fight or not? I know your answer will be yes, because you post like you’re a fucking M-1 employee.
by Jason H. on Aug 26, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^ this ^
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by We All Hate Caleb on Aug 27, 2010 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well put, man
Mint (cool name, btw) seems to be ignoring Fedor’s role in this, as the person/org who had been informed of Ubereem’s schedule well in advance to prevent this kind of situation.
It seems to be either an early PBF-style gut check for negotiations or just a toe in the public waters to gauge the web response to that fight, similar to the “talks” about Bigfoot, Barnett, etc.
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So would Fedor undergo the same testing? Not that I think Fedor is on roids or anything, but as far as circumstantial evidence goes, Sidelnikov got busted for roids and he is a) Fedor’s teammate, b) has the same body shape as Fedor, and c) is known as “little Fedor”.
If Fedor is going to throw around uncorroborated accusations at Overeem, there is plenty of opportunity for Overeem to throw them back.
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