Is Fedor Emelianenko the Floyd Mayweather of MMA or Will Strikeforce Champ Alistair Overeem Submit to Olympic Style Drug Testing?
by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2010 5:23 PM EDT
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Fedor Emelianenko did a little bit of pro-active PR last night and called for a fight with Strikeforce champ Alistair Overeem. This apparently was in response to a widening consensus that Fedor and his management preferred to wait until 2011 for a revenge match against Fabricio Werdum, with possibly a NYE bout in Japan in the interim.
But Sports Illustrated's Josh Gross tweeted earlier and poured hot salty piss cold water all over that:
Overeem-Fedor talk will be interesting. M-1 is asking for Olympic style drug testing. Overeem's camp says no, athletic comm. testing enough.
Uh oh, this is turning into one of those "deja vu all over again" moments that haunt fight fans. If you recall when Fedor and M-1 Global were busy working up to their infamously dumb decision to sit out the Strikeforce April show on CBS, one of the sticking points was their demand that Overeem submit to, you guessed it, "Olympic style drug testing".
As history tells us, Overeem ended up fighting Brett Rogers on a May Showtime card instead and said that "(Fedor's) management declined to fight me tonight" after that fight.
The astute fight fans at MMA for Real immediately spotted a famous parallel to Fedor and M-1 from the world of boxing: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
For those not following the ordeal that's so-far prevented the biggest boxing match of the decade from happening, Mayweather and his camp have been pushing Manny Pacquiao to accept "Olympic style drug testing" for a while. There's been some back and forth involving Pacquiao's camp apparently agreeing then denying they'd agreed then the whole deal fell apart over money.
Who was at fault? Kevin Iole is emphatic that it's Floyd Mayweather:
He's ducking Manny Pacquiao.
There can be no other rational explanation.
Welcome to "Mayweather in Wonderland," where they try to convince you that up is down, the grass is blue and the sky is green. Never mind that Mayweather has tarnished, perhaps forever, his legacy as one of the best boxers of all time. Given his disinclination to fight Pacquiao, it's hard to regard him as the best fighter of his own time.
Remember this morning when I compared the three way stand off between Fedor, Overeem and Werdum to the scene in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" where Clint Eastwood has emptied the gun of one of his two gunslinging rivals in advance of the big showdown?
Well Iole's remark about "Mayweather in Wonderland" kind of jogged my brain and reminded me why I posted that "The Fedor Era is Finished: Fedor Emelianenko's Ridiculous Demands Mean He'll Never Fight the Best Again" back in April. Because even if Fedor's manager Vadim Finkelstein isn't "a blood sucking monster" he certainly knows his way around Wonderland.
While I've long been sympathetic to the need for fighters to have more autonomy and have sometimes openly rooted for Fedor and M-1 in their effort to land blows against the UFC empire, these Mayweather-style antics remind me why the boxing model is not a good road to go down for the UFC.
UPDATE: For the record and since so many of you are falling for M-1's feeble spin, I'm 100% in support of WADA style drug testing for ALL MMA fighters. I'm for random testing of licensed fighters between fights and I'm for serious punishment for fighters who fail multiple tests. And unlike many of you, I'm willing to pay a surcharge for my PPVs and tickets to pay for the testing. I'll also bravely advocate that all promoters take a 10% pay cut to cover the additional costs.
But M-1 doesn't care about testing. They fought Tim Sylvia -- who's failed a drug test -- and signed to fight Josh Barnett -- who failed 2 drug tests BEFORE he failed the CSAC test that cancelled their Affliction fight -- and said nary a word about drug testing. They were talking about fighting Antonio Silva -- who's failed drug test -- and again, not a peep about drug tests.
Furthermore, up until the point that Overeem announced that he would be fighting K-1 the rest of the year they were saying that "the fans want Fedor vs Werdum". Frankly this is all a big excuse to screw Strikeforce and take the biggest payday in front of them -- NYE in Japan at Dynamite!! likely against Josh Barnett. Mark my words, there will be no discussion of drug testing from M-1 if that fight is signed.
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Why can’t the guy just take the drug test? Unless, you know, he’s using drugs.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 25, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Are you being sarcstic?
I really can’t tell.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hehehe.
Oh, the things that some people have said.
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Aw
I feel simple now…
It didn’t seem like something he would say, but I couldn’t tell.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, I'm referring to something totally different.
Funny things certain people have said. Nothing about you.
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i thought you talking about that mentality of
“If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn’t be worried.”
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He passed a drug test
This is above and beyond
And if he agrees to it, the terms will change
It is very clear
FEDOR FEARS UBEREEM
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Quick correction kid
If you recall when Fedor and M-1 Global were busy working up to their infamously dumb decision to sit out the Strikeforce April show on CBS, one of the sticking points was their demand that Overeem submit to, you guessed it, “Olympic style drug testing”.
While M-1 mentioned drug testing back in February they were talking about a potential fight with Overeem at the end of the year. The reason the April fight fell apart had nothing to do with it and in fact there was no plan to have a fight between the two on CBS. The original plan was for Fedor and Overeem to both appear on the card against different opponents to help build up to a later meeting, but unfortunately Overeem wasn’t available until May or later and Fedor… well who knows why he backed out.
by John Nash on Aug 25, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
FUCK FEDOR!
And Fuck M1!
I’m so sick of this BS. I don’t ever want to hear Fedor’s name uttered again. What a total waste of my time.
You never planned on fighting Overeem, did you?
really?
Comon man, its Fedor. At least show some respect to the best MMA fighter of all time. And also don’t lie, you’d definitely watch Overeem v Fedor
That's not the point
The point is that Fedor and his management disingenuously made their “announcement” calling Overeem out last night. Then today they demanded that he submit to this Olympic-style drug testing that they know he isn’t gonna do. How about you be honest, M1, and quit messing with fans’ minds. If you’re going to demand ridiculous stuff, how bout you do it at the outset instead of getting peoples’ hopes up that YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO FIGHT for the umpteenth time before dropping a bomb like that just because you want to call out a fighter who you know won’t submit to those demands.
Fedor trained with “Baby Fedor”, who was caught using performance enhancing drugs. He was going to fight Barnett. But he decided to pull this card out now because he’s trying to find a way to revitalize his image at the expense of another without manning up and fighting.
So, again, I say. I AM DONE WITH FEDOR. I am done with posts about Fedor. It is a total waste of my time. I actually spent a few minutes last night thinking about how awesome a Fedor v Overeem match would be. Now I’m just annoyed and crotchety. Sorry, guys.
But until Fedor and M1 quit acting like a bunch of sissies, I want them to GTFO!
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Personally, I think it’s overused.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no problem with the general idea of more drug testing, as long as there is consistency about it.
Agreed
More testing is definitely needed BUT fighters and their management shouldn’t be using that as a negotiating ploy.
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And why not may i ask is this not good. If a fighter is clean there should be no problem to ever comply with testing. Would you care if you were asked to do a breathalyzer if you’re sober, i would think not.
If you have nothing to hide
then you shouldn’t care if the police search you.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I refuse to allow anyone to search my person, detain me or question me. Not because I have anything to hide or did anything wrong, but because it’s f’ed up.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You're comparing a blood test before a MMA fight to a personal search?
That even more f’ed up.
by Mint on Aug 25, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's comparing the mentality
Of if you have nothing to hide you should submit to something that’s invasive even if you’re not obligated.
Blood tests are certainly invasive and no one should feel obligated to take one if they don’t have to, even if “they have nothing to hide”.
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How is a blood test as invasive as being randomly searched, detained, and questioned?
You give 4mL of blood, and that’s it. It’s less invasive than having someone watch you pee into a cup, which everyone thinks is fine.
Having someone stick you with a needle and extract a crucial bodily fluid that is essential to surviving is far more invasive then having someone watch you pee. Survey 1000 people and I can guarantee 995 of them will agree.
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Neither one is nearly as invasive as a personal search in my opinion. Then again you may be trolling for all I know, since losing a few ounces of blood is hardly hazardous to your health. You’ve never had blood drawn at a doctor’s office?
Hey I don’t care to be searched but if someone is going to stick a needle in my arm and take blood it better be for a good damn reason. I don’t even like having my finger pricked for blood. Some people just don’t care for having their blood taken.
Agreed
HATE having blood drawn. And I don’t even have some crazy religion making me superstitious about it.
It’s considered an invasive proceedure that requires medical personel, peeing in a cut doesn’t, heck in one of my former safety jobs part of it was administering urine test to new employees, anyone can take those samples but if you are going to stick a needle in my arm you better come with someone who is damn good at drawing blood and there better be a good reason for it.
"Olympic style testing" is not a simple blood test
Its keeping them notified of your whereabouts at all times, not doing so or not being available for a spot test is an automatic fail.
No way you agree to that unless all fighters are agreeing to it.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 25, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
People have to take drug tests in the hiring process all the time...
…a PED test prior and post fight should not be a big deal for any MMA fighter.
Also, Fedor is the least likely guy to use PEDs based on physique alone….Overeem however…
side note: does anyone know if blood doping is banned?
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Well the police search you when there is reasonable suspicion...
I have been frisked by the cops plenty of times to be extremely pissed about it when there were no grounds. But this is athletics, to prevent the use of illegal substances, it is only necessary for them to actually use Drug testing methods that will expose those drugs that are being used and not some method that will catch let just say 50% of the users. What is really the point then? Although i should make it clear i don’t agree with WADA demand to have 365 days a year random testing, where athletes must inform WADA of their location at all times or that they would need to be at a testing centre within 24 hrs of being notified that a test will be taking place,
The point is that the rules apply equally to all people.
You can’t make exceptions for one person. That’s a slap in the face.
I agree, testing needs to be much better.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The rules through out society are supposed to apply equally to all people, but in reality this is far from the truth (this is a major problem) within society in all sections in equality, in employment, in government, etc.
If WADA testing takes place through negotiation this is okay with myself. AO has every right not to submit to WADA testing. As this is not enforced in AC bylaws. But it should be, and without individuals and fans demand this shall never take place.
Huh?
That makes no sense. We are talking about singling out one professional athlete in a commissioned regulated sport to submit to a blood test. That’s all I’m saying.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What i am saying is if AO agrees later on to WADA testing then that is great, but he is not obligated to do so.
Then yes
I agree.
Must’ve misread your post. I apologize.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And people who think that are people I don't want running society.
I’m entitled not to be searched without my consent. I don’t even carry ID with me so if the police happen to search me they won’t be able to tell who I am.
Privacy counts for something.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
i agree with your sentiment, but Overeem isn't a bystander in this...
…he’s a fighter, getting paid at the end of his privacy invasion, which makes it a very different situation, IMO.
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The problem is this, they’re completely undermining the commissions and in some cases the individual organizations. They aren’t doing this in a campaign to improve the sport, clean up cheaters and so on and such forth. And quite frankly they aren’t the authority to which Overeem or any other fighter should be accountable.
They want to start a dialog about PEDs and testing in the sport, that’s fantastic, but that isn’t what they’re doing here.
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by Worldisart on Aug 25, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think it is a neccessary evil to always question all types of authority, so that the best and most efficient methods are always being used. If we don’t question we will be stuck with the same indiffernent and stupid ACs for a longer time. (See Texas, Virginia, California, etc.)
Of course Overeem isn’t accoutable to M1 or Fedor he is accountable to himself, his family, and his employers.
I don't disagree
But the difference is, M-1 isn’t questioning authority, they’re trying to become the authority. If they want to change the way drug testing is done in this sport, fantastic! They have a lot of people who would be on their side, but this isn’t doing that.
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I would’nt personally say that M1 is trying to become an authority, rather they are doing what any proper and good management would do for their client, to prevent any negative actions taking place towards them/Fedor. Of course if they want to change the way the ACs handle drug testing, they would have to bring it up to the ACs themselves.
Personally i just don’t see any AC going to WADA testing anytime soon. I remember that this past year that there were several presentations to the AC’s who demonstrated the need for WADA testing but the ACs just turned their back on all the scientific evidence and said what the currently do is suitable.
Good management? That's bullshit
They didn’t want WADA style testing when fighting a known juicer in Barnett. They seemed quite comfortable fighting Bigfoot, who has pissed hot, with no stipulations.
They’re not being good management, they’re manipulating the system.
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by Worldisart on Aug 25, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
In the case of Barnett, i feel that Fedor’s friendship towards Josh has a role to play with this. While Bigfoot showed that his test result was due to his Gigantism disorder he has, it was just that the California AC refused to acknowledge their own screwup.
Oh okay
So if you’re Fedor’s friend, cheating is okay, but if you’re not all chummy with him then you’re fucked.
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Well i believe that Barnett should have the same demands placed on him. But sometimes the relationships that people have with others affects the types of demands/ expectations that are made.
What about Tim Sylvia, he’s tested positive, why not subject him to WADA testing?
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LOL you are just nitpicking now…the Sylvia fight happend what 2.5 years ago…The knowledge in the general publice of PEDs is not where they were at that time. In addition, wasn’t the supposed fans demanding that AO submit to WADA testing before the Rogers fight? now that Fedor is asking for WADA testing, it is becoming a how dare you ask such a thing issue.
The point stands, Tim has tested positive before and Overeem has not. M1 had mum to say about Tim but want to hide behind the tests for Alastair. That speaks volumes.
I don’t remember anyone clamoring for Overeem having to take WADA testing for any fight.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, they got no problem saying they will go to Japan and fight on NYE or that they would fight Barnett in Affliction with no mention of extra drug test needed(and Barnett has actually been caught doing it) but Overeem has to be tested at olympic levels now before they will agree? Hey if Overeem has nothing to hide then he should just agree and put it back onto them but honestly this demand at this point from them is utterly preposterous and a blatant fight dodge attempt on their part.
Mayweather-Pacquiao ultimately fell apart because of money. That’s not an issue here. I don’t see why Overeem can say no and Fedor gets the blame for the fight falling apart.
the same reason everyone blames Mayweather for that fight falling through. It would be naive to act like the drug testing is the only issue here.
What else could it be?
If Overeem agrees to the test, and agrees to fight, what excuse can M1 come up with then?
Fedor comes up injured
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by donkeypunch on Aug 25, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
they could trot out one of the 7 billion reasons that have held up fights in the past again.
by Phildo on Aug 25, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Location, venue, date, M-1 fighters on the card, split of costs, split of proceeds, etc… Things like contracts don’t seem to get in their way.
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by Worldisart on Aug 25, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rec's all around
Because there will be many many excuses.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So then we blame M1/Fedor just like we always do
But labeling Fedor a ducker because Overeem refuses a drug test is nonsense.
by Mint on Aug 25, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll repost my reply that you've already refused to acknowledge:
There is certainly a need for improved testing in the sport, of that there is no argument, but Fedor isn’t some special case who gets to change the rules when it pleases him. If he wants reform he should be petitioning the ACs, not changing the rules when it suits him and his management.
What about when he fought Barnett? There was actual concrete evidence to support the idea of Olympic style drug testing in that fight and they never asked for that, why now? It’s a bullshit smokescreen.
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by Worldisart on Aug 25, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm replying to the other one right now
Geez. Give me a fucking minute to write. I already lost it once by clicking in the wrong spot.
there is no need to test for HGH
literally it only has beneficial effects on the body, and doesn’t produce the ridiculous strength effect that steroids do. It rebuilds the body and helps people continue to train at high levels. In Europe its even given in spa treatments for rich people. Steroids are unnatural and kill your body/ liver.
HGH- good
Steroids- Awful
distinction- yep
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by Austin Martin on Aug 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
How does that relate or respond to what I posted?
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sorry, tangential- i saw the “need for improvement” thing and went nuts. my b son
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by Austin Martin on Aug 25, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries
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Are you aware that hasn't even happened yet?
Way to speculate about my thoughts on an event you speculated to happen.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What thoughts?
There are tons of people already calling Fedor a ducker for this demand. I can’t reply to everyone.
I don't believe Fedor would duck anyone
But I also don’t believe Fedor is in control of who he fights.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor's been ducking for years
Ever since he was too hurt to fight CroCop back in PRIDE but then was suddenly feeling fine when the TK fight was offered.
I second that.. Personally after Fedor lost I really don’t think his management is in the position to make these demands. I really would love Alistar to just say okay though just to see which excuse they try next.
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Who’s going to deal with M-1 after this? I’d feel sorry for Strikeforce if they didn’t make this bed.
And I thought Pacquaio agreed to do the blood test but only after the fight and would not do it before.
I think that's why everyone blamed Mayweather in the end
If Fedor does the same, I’ll probably join everyone in saying he’s dodging the fight.
Because he wants to change the rules
There is certainly a need for improved testing in the sport, of that there is no argument, but Fedor isn’t some special case who gets to change the rules when it pleases him. If he wants reform he should be petitioning the ACs, not changing the rules when it suits him and his management.
What about when he fought Barnett? There was actual concrete evidence to support the idea of Olympic style drug testing in that fight and they never asked for that, why now? It’s a bullshit smokescreen.
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So what?
You ask for stricter drug testing when you have a greater suspicion that someone is using PEDs. Look at the Mayweather-Pacquiao mess and now Overeems response. You’re angry that Fedor is not making this demand to all his opponents? You want him to fight once every two years?
It’s not M1’s job to create reform in this area, and it’s silly for anyone to think that they would bother with all the work required to do so. Is it self serving? Of course it is, just like hundreds of people settled hot coffee injuries with McDonalds before the big lawsuit that changed their practices.
"It’s not M1’s job to create reform in this area"
Exactly and as such it’s not their place to change the rules when it suits them.
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I don't really care if it's in their place
The point is that I expect them to mandate testing when they feel it’s necessary. I expect Overeem to say, “fine, if that’s what you whiny dickheads want”. I don’t expect M1 to waste their time trying to make athletic commissions have stricter testing when they know that it won’t get them anywhere.
I just don’t see why Fedor gets the blame if Overeem refuses a blood test. He called out Fedor first, accusing him of ducking for a year. If he can’t spare 4mL of blood for the opportunity, then it was all a farce.
by Mint on Aug 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mandate?
Who the fuck is M-1 to mandate anything? They aren’t a regulatory body. IT’S NOT THEIR PLACE.
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by Worldisart on Aug 25, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who are they to demand?
They have signed contracts with SF, they have fought under these rules multiple times before in the states, numerous times with no regulation in Japan, they’ve fought known, multiple time cheaters and never once up until this moment in time was it an issue.
But yeah, they’re just being altruistic and doing what’s best for the sport and bullshit bullshit bullshit.
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I never said it was altruistic
I said that it was self serving.
Nonetheless, if the only thing standing in the way of Overeem’s wish to fight Fedor is 4mL of blood, and he says no, then fuck him. He’s the reason for the fight falling through.
If M1 makes more silly demands about venue, money, logos, etc. then you blame them. That’s all speculation right now. Overeem saying no, if Josh Gross is right, is not.
by Mint on Aug 25, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, M1 making ridiculous demands STARTED with the blood test. It is ALREADY their fault.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit
“olympic style testing” is not a single 4ml blood test, its an ongoing, whereabouts-based testing protocol that is extremely intrusive.
More importantly, once Werdum won the #1 contender fight that was to determine Overeem’s, Overeem said then that if Werdum couldn’t or wouldn’t fight him, he would instead enter the K-1 tournament, which he has now done…end of story…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 25, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect them to mandate testing when they feel it’s necessary
That’s insane. There is no reason anyone OTHER than the AC’s should get to mandate ANYTHING on fighters. On top of that, as we’ve already established, they clearly DON’T “mandate” testing whenever they think it’s necessary.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You ask for stricter drug testing when you have a greater suspicion that someone is using PEDs
YOU might, but Fedor/M1 don’t. They were happy to fight Tim Sylvia, Josh Barnett, Bigfoot, etc. all without extra testing and they ALL have pissed hot before.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
They would have lost big bucks if any of those guys tested positive
Which they did when Barnett failed. Hence the lawsuit.
With Strikeforce, it doesn’t matter if Overeem is positive or refuses to fight. They have a contract and will get paid whether it is Overeem, Silva, Werdum, or someone in Japan.
No they wouldn't have
If they had established those demands ahead of time, testing would have been planned for and alternates taken into account. The contract is Strikeforce isn’t magically different than the one they had with Affliction and the proposed Bigfoot fight would have been in Strikeforce and the blood test never came up.
You can’t possibly think it’s somehow acceptable to believe that M1/Fedor are willing to fight known cheaters sometimes but not Overeem who has never been in trouble for it. That is totally inconsistent.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What alternates?
Those were the only three HWs out there that could make any money. If any of them fail at any point, Affliction folds even earlier.
There’s nothing inconsistent about my claims. Bigfoot was barely even discussed. For the longest time we hear that M1 wants Werdum only and Overeem-Silva is basically a done deal, one day we hear that M1 is maybe considering Silva but nothing official, and the next day they publically state that they want Overeem.
Fedor got paid no matter who he was fighting. AA rematch, Yvel, Buentello, Monson, etc. etc. Fedor was willing to fight known cheaters and now, all of a sudden with no reason, he wants extra testing for a guy who never has been caught cheating once.
That IS inconsistent.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you forget why Affliction folded?
Let me get this through your head one more time:
THEY COULD NOT SELL ANY PPVs OR SEATS WITHOUT FEDOR-BARNETT.
Fedor did not get paid for Fedor-(Barnett’s replacement), because it could not sell with Yvel, Buentello, Monson, etc, and hence was cancelled. If Sylvia failed, Affliction dies after or maybe even before its first show.
Affliction didn't sell PPV with any fighter.
If Fedor and M1 had sold 500,000 PPVs Affliction would still be around, not bankrupt.
Barnett's replacement was going to be Vitor Belfort.
Vitor accepted the fight in an attempt to save the card. Affliction said fuck it, got back in bed with the UFC, and Vitor followed shortly after.
Man, I forgot how sick of a card Trilogy was going to be though.
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The weren't going to sell seats or PPVs with them either
They didn’t sell seats or PPVs when he fought Sylvia or Arlovski, how was Barnett going to be any different?
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You are clueless
They didn’t make money with anyone. Furthermore, the big issue was lack of time to promote. Time they would have had had the whole testing thing been done up front and a replacement at the ready.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously Kid Seriously
If it is true that M1/Fedor are asking for WADA drug testing, that is a huge positive for MMA. If there is a push for WADA Testing this is most beneficial for the fighters safety and health and the fans in the long term. I applaud Mayweather and now Fedor for asking for “TRUE” drug testing. To say the demand for this is silly is just absurd.
by pRoXiMo on Aug 25, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s more the inconsistancy than the drug testing.
by MattParker117 on Aug 25, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
They aren't doing it for MMA
Don’t fool yourself, because otherwise it wouldn’t be about just this fight with Overeem.
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Oh i am not fooling myself…Of course the demand is to serve themselves. But through this taking place it will lead the AC’s to follow in the WADA footsteps of drug testing if there is a true demand by the fighter(s) for this to take place
Ha!
You’re naive if you think that if M-1 is successful in this demand it will lead to some kind of reform.
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M-1 is trying to better the sport.
To keep it pure.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No it would’nt lead to an automatic reform because a few fighters did WADA testing, but it will encourage other fighters to demand for reform. The ACs can only ignore logic for so long until the demand is to great for reform to take place.
The ACs are broke
They can’t pay for tests with monopoly money.
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Blood test are very expensive compared to urine test and athletic commisisons already on a budget crunch aren’t going to pay the extra money. This won’t change anything due to the financials involved. If blood test were cheap and easy they would all be doing them now.
Yeah, I doubt Strikeforce would pay for it either. It’ll be interesting to see if M-1 Global says they will pay for the blood testing, but I highly doubt it.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Conflict of interest
If M-1 paid for the testing it would be a serious conflict of interest and would set off a fire storm of controversy if a test were to come back positive.
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Oh yeah, definitely
That’d be even more garbage. It’s a sticky situation. I’d love if AO just came out and said Fuck it, We’ll do it live.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He just might.
Then they’d have to eat a dick.
Overeem’s like “How’s the horse meat, Vadim?”
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heck most of the athletic commissions can’t even afford to test all the fighters on a card with the current methods and Strikeforce didn’t piss test their own fighters in Texas. They would have to make Overeem pay for his own test and that isn’t going to change anything about the current system it would just make for more of a mess.
If Overeem countered with “okay but Fedor needs to get tested too and M1 is going to have to pay for it”, the onus would be back on M1 to fund its request and no one would be blaming Overeem if the fight then fell through. But that’s not what he said. He said no to WADA testing altogether.
Normal drug testing is expensive enough as it is. This is why even the better athletic commissions don’t blanket test every fighter even on major cards. WADA drug testing is hella expensive and would probably end up being reserved for major title fights. I would have no problem seeing it implemented like that though.
If they said that Fedor would never fight anyone again unless they had blood test done and that all fighters at M-1 challenge events would now be blood tested then that would be good for the sport but singling out only Overeem for needing extra test is just a ploy on their part and a slap in the face.
If M1 pays for it, and Overeem has nothing to hide, then I don’t see the problem. Maybe some of you might have really bad needle phobias, but people who get punched in the face for a living you’d think would have higher pain-tolerances and be less squeamish in general. I’m assuming Fedor would be subjected to the same testing in this case.
It’s all BS, Overeem is fighting in K-1 this fall not Strikeforce. The only problem I see is that it is insulting to single one fighter out for blood testing like that, particularly when it has never been an issue for any of their other opponents. I would imagine if Overeem had agreed then it would of been dropped and M-1 would of come up with a different excuse/demand instead of actually putting out money for the test anyway, quite possibly that they refused to pay for the test.
Overeem should have just agreed then and let M1 come up with a different excuse that doesn’t cast himself in a bad light. If Overeem had said “I agreed to blood tests and they came up with another excuse,” I’d be completely on Overeem’s side right now. I think M-1 is generally a scummy organization. But that’s not what happened.
As for Overeem being singled out, I agree he is being singled out (although I assume Fedor will take the same test). M1 obviously considers him a very dangerous opponent, more so than Sylvia or even Barnett. But, contrary to what Kid Nate says, I’m not “falling for M-1’s feeble spin,” I would like to see WADA testing be done for all major title fights, as I stated earlier in this thread, and Overeem is hardly free from suspicion. On top of everything else mentioned, Golden Glory has a pretty horrible reputation in general when it comes to doping.
So, I really think it’s on Overeem at this point, unless he or his management have been misquoted.
why didn't they request this for Barnett?
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I remember everyone asking that the last time this came up
It’s cool for Fedor to fight Josh without any testing, even though he has been popped 3 times. Mr. Alastair? He needs testing since he has pissed hot…. 0 times.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Overeem looks like a Marvel comics character, and his increased head size is consistent with long-term HGH use, which is something that you can only catch with a blood test.
Increased Head Size
Look at how much bigger Couture’s head is at HW! He must be taking HGH!
Wait, the HW pic is years before the LHW pic.
Here’s another example. He must be on HGH because look at the difference in head size!
Another example of this infamous head growth problem!
Pretty much anything you can say about Overeem’s facial changes you can say about any of these guys. So unless you think Big Macs are a PED, please stop with this crap about Overeem’s head/jaw looking different and that’s how you know he’s on juice/hgh/whatever.
1) I don’t see noticeable difference in the size of Randy’s head in either pic, certainly not to the degree I see it in Overeem’s.
2) Joe Riggs is an example of a guy who used to weight over 300 lbs. and lost a considerable amount of fat. He lost neck and cheek fat because that happens when you lose a lot of fat in general. Usually gaining 50 lbs. of muscle doesn’t also dramatically increase the size of your jawline and give you neckfat. Consider the bolded part my main point of my entire reply.
3) Head growth is a well-known side-effect of HGH abuse, so yes, it’s worth noting. I never said I was 100% certain Overeem took the stuff and I’d love it as a fight fan if Overeem took the blood test and came back clean. If he won’t do that for a title fight against a legendary opponent then obviously that’s gonna raise some questions.
4) I don’t recognize your third example (a before/after pic for him too would be nice).
Third example is Ricco Rodriguez.
“muscle growth” is a misnomer. Gaining weight means you gain weight. It goes everywhere. Just like you can’t target fat loss, when you gain weight, all of you gets bigger.
When you stop going on crazy hardcore diets and starving/sweating out 30lbs to make weight, and suddenly you can start eating a high calorie diet to put on mass, what do you think your body does? It puts on mass. When you have a proper exercise routine, you can turn some of that mass into muscle, maybe even a lot of it. But anyone who puts on weight, their face will look bigger.
You repeat all of the Overeem misnomers….for one, the notion that he gained 50 pounds. I don’t imagine that you’re ignorant enough in MMA to think that all 205 pound fighters weigh 205 pounds. I also imagine that you probably know that fighters can do some drastic things to make weight cuts. But you ignore that to drop in the sensationalist “50 pounds of muscle!!!!!” comment, ignoring that Overeem never gained 50lbs and that obviously someone can’t put on pure muscle weight.
Compare anyone who’s gained 30 (or 50 as you say) pounds and their face looks different. It’s not because their skull got bigger.
1) Alright, 35 lbs. of muscle. While losing overal bodyfat it seems, from his more cut abs.
2) Trivial point, but you are confusing the terms misnomer and misconception.
3) The degree of difference in Overeem’s face is greater even Rodriguez, and Overeem is not only larger now he’s also more cut. It’s very difficult to do that naturally unless you have awesome cardio, and awesome cardio usually eliminates neckfat.
Above all that, I don’t see why Overeem doesn’t agree to a simple fucking blood test that would take 15 minutes of his time and leave M-1 with no legitimate excuses. I do not see the problem if he’s totally clean. That part seems very cut and dry to me. In fact it would go beyond just a fight with Fedor, he could shut down most of the steroid accusations in general.
he could shut down most of the steroid accusations in general.
No, he couldn’t. The guy could pass every test in the world, and the same people who accuse him now would accuse him later. The “look test” is all most of these people need, and all you’ll see is a bunch of excuses about how he cycled off of some PEDs or he’s using some designer drug that they can’t test for.
Probably because they knew he was the last money making fight available
You think M1 was happy about the failed drug test? They don’t care if Affliction went bankrupt. They just wanted the money that Affliction and its investors promised.
This is hard to believe.
M-1 should get government jobs.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
The more we talk about it, the more hyperbole we engage in
Thanks to the astute management of Vadim Finkelchstein, our chances of seeing Fedor fight this year are about as good as our chances of seeing Mike Tyson make the jump into mma.
This was the caption from Kid Nate on the photo of the article he referenced back in April. We saw Fedor fight in April and we will likely see him fight in December. When will we learn not to pay attention to the rumblings of M-1. They are a bunch of crazy Russians throwing around grenades.
by memitim on Aug 25, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
had to rec it for the greatest TV show of my lifetime
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But don't post the spoiler!!!
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What show?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 25, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Lost
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
first pic = pissing blood
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna say that.
Not to mention 7 years of power lifting and giant mounds of potatoes and horse meat.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
People who have actually tested positive for PEDS:
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by pdl on Aug 25, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
twice
for all the good stuff, too.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So he got a haircut. Big deal.
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by crazybones on Aug 25, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Do you have any idea how much that improved his performance?
I read a study once that said swimmer who shave their bodies are 7% faster. Barnett must’ve been moving pretty quick.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just curious
What’s your background that you are the expert on how to tell if someone has been using PEDs, or is your opinion entirely formulated from looking at pictures?
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I love the accusing game
but a big bald sumbitch who actually cheated gets swept under the rug.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If his body type had changed at all, i'd agree with you
but the guy was always RIPPED, and he had to cut weight. Steroids or not, he obviously had ridiculous genetics and wasn’t prepared to face the big boys yet
There is no proof in that pudding. those pictures were taken nearly 3 years or more apart. It is QUITE realistic to obtain that mass in that amount of time, especially if you’re going from starving yourself to eating a good, natural diet. People are just haters. I’m not saying he didn’t take anything at any point, but he has a perfectly natural physique.
Roid bodies typically have HUGE deltoid muscles and unnatural pecs. His pecs are huge, but look like a natural progression, and his deltoids look naturally built.
basically what i’m saying is, GTFO with that nonsense.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 25, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I will not GTFO
The body that he wound up with today is not his “body type”. He was thin, no mass at all. I’m not saying he is taking today but to get to this mass, please. Look at Brock in the WWE and look at him now. It’s night and day.
I hate this picture so much on so many levels
and facepalm IRL when people think it means anything.
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what’s wrong with the picture?
Is it the huge amount of time between pictures? The different dimensions and stretching of each picture? The fact that he was a young person still growing in the first one? The fact that he was in a different weight class?
I think you may be overreacting, this is a great picture that proves EVERYTHING.
by Phildo on Aug 25, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hehehe, of course.
Man, you do a timeline like that for me over the last five years and everyone will think I’m juicing. I’m not even in great shape, just was scrawny and scrappy then changed my diet and started strength training to fill out. Then again, memitim will probably just say I changed my diet by adding Winstrol and Nandralone and horse meat.
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There will be a similar picture for Bones Jones when he moves to HW
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the consensus on this little chart was that it manipulated the eye
There’s really no difference in the last two Overeems, the one in the middle he’s about 25-26 years old, the first one he’s roughly Jon Jones’ age
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you have NO idea what you're talking about
there is no light and day there. Overeem used to have to cut weight and probably not lift weights, and now he can to his hearts content. That amount of physique can occur very naturally. I’m not saying whether it did, but you using that as photographic evidence shows that you’ve never spent time around guys that have great genetics and lift clean, AND can look like that. I have.
Brock has ALWAYS been a monster and these questions have followed him since college. Even look at his high school pictures where he is a beast. I mean, this argument has probably happened 1000 times on BE.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So naive
look at the last picture of him. I don’t care who you have been around. Brock has always been big but you can’t tell me there is a huge difference from him in his WWE days and today. C’mon. Stop it.
The BJ Penn test for steroids
If you’re not fat and flabby between fights you must be a juicer!!! Ignoring the large number of fighters that have actually tested positive with less than impressive physiques. You’re the one who’s naive my friend.
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You honestly
believe that Brock did not do roids in the WWE. What else do we have in this forum but pictures to demonstrate a point? I think that Brock in the first photo is juicing and in the second, is not. The first photo he is on the road constantly. The second he has spent months training all day.
it doesn’t matter what people believe about brock in the wwe, the picture doesn’t prove shit.
In the WWE, his job was to look like the first picture. In the UFC his job is to punch you in the head. Looking like the first picture would be a waste of time when your primary goal is to punch people in the head.
"What else do we have in this forum but pictures to demonstrate a point?"
Yeah and knowing that pictures don’t prove squat with some other evidence you should be able to realize why it’s a bullshit argument.
So I’ll ask you again, for the third time, and maybe this time you’ll answer, where do you get your expert knowledge on this topic that you can just look at a couple pictures and decide whether or not someone is juicing?
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Yep.
And being oiled/tanned for a show and photoshopped for promo pictures while flexing should look JUST like a guy standing on a scale. Totally comparable.
You’re being fucking foolish.
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by pdl on Aug 25, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please
…the other picture of Brock above there is no oil or sun tan. C’mon. Professional wrestlers juice among a ton of other things. They are dying at ridiculously young ages. Sorry if I took your favorite little dog away but get over it.
you didn’t take anyone’s dog away, you are just making really really horrible arguments. You can make very good arguments that brock used (although they really don’t have anything to do with this post) that picture, or any picture that doesn’t involve brock with a needle in his ass is not going to be one of those good arguments.
Horrible arguements like this one?
and the looks thing with lesnar is just silly.
Look at Lesnar when he was in WWE and look at him today? You’re going to argue that the brock of today is on steroids?
by Phildo on Jan 6, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
by memitim on Aug 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow an argument from 6 months ago, good job, I have realized the error of my ways.
pictures are a retarded argument, A+ on internet stalking though.
Get over yourself. It's not stalking
…I was google searching for something else I had read a while back and well, your post was on the first google page. Such you insist I am making “horrible arguments” I thought I would point it out to you.
Thank you for your concern, now stop posting pictures, no one cares.
by Phildo on Aug 25, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the last couple of days your true believer syndrome has been getting a bit out of hand. Just cut it out please.
Please
…just because you think Fedor is an unknown and I have disagreed with you doesn’t mean I have “true believer syndrome”. That’s plain stupid. I’m allowed to disagree with you. Just cut it out please.
Its not disagreement it’s rambling in circles against pretty much everyone. People disagree with me all the time and I have a lot of respect for some of them. I’m here for entertainment and education but you aren’t bringing anything enlightening to the table at all.
And the main thing
I have learned from you is Fedor is an unknown and it is cool for Reem to take of for three years and not defend his belt. I think you need some more enlightenment.
Well at least you learned something.
I’m not even a fan of Overeem’s I think he’s over-rated but it’s blatantly obvious why he didn’t fight in Strikeforce between late 07 and mid 09, they didn’t have a tv contract or any money or any worthwhile fights, in June of 09 shortly after the Showtime deal he was supposed to fight for Strikeforce but injured his hand, then after that he fought in K-1 that fall. This isn’t my opinion these are the facts.
And Fedor not being well known, come one that’s been shown time and time again that he’s isn’t as well known or the draw some people seem to think he is. He’s got a big hardcore following and that’s about it.
The 5.3mm who tuned in to the CBS show
really proves that he is unknown and not a draw. It is ridiculous at this point.
5.46 million viewers on CBS gets tv shows cancelled. Heck even in terms of CBS MMA that puts in around the same area as what Michael Bisbing vs Matt Hammill got.
Tell me
what the average Saturday night show pulls in rating on CBS and the tell if 5+mm viewers isn’t a lot. 5mm viewers tuned in to watch Fedor. In the MMA world that is not small and definitely does not make him an unknown.
research
Things that got more viewers than the Fedor fight that night:
COPS
NCIS (rerun)
America’s Most Wanted
Law & Order (rerun)
Saturday Night (college) Football
Law & Order SVU (rerun)
Wrong again
When Fedor was on they were pushing up toward 5.3mm viewers. Cops, NCIS, Saturday Night Football, L&O were not topping that number. Try again.
So again
Fedor averaging ratings on par with your average Saturday night legal drama is what makes you believe he’s a superstar.
What was the name of the guy on Cops last week? Who was the most wanted on America’s Most Wanted? They should be household names by your logic.
The most watched MMA fight ever in the US wasn’t even a real fight it was on a tween show on Nickelodeon. Ifight Shelby Marx drew 7.9 million viewers, that’s how popular MMA is it gets beat out at it’s own game by a show produced for 14 year old girls on a children’s cable tv network.
As I pointed out Michael Bisbing vs Matt Hammill got more viewers than Fedor and it was on Spike tv, are either or them doing huge PPV numbers?
Oh and 48 hour mysteries on CBS averages between 5 and 6 million viewers on Saturday nights, for rerun episodes.
TweedleDum and TweedleDee
First, I would like to see you show me where 48 Hour repeats average between 5-6mm viewers. Second, how many MMA fans do you think there are out there enough to sit and watch a card? Put a number on it. Look at TUF, the CBS shows, Fight Night, Verus, etc. Close to 5.5mm is a big portion of that and does not represent an unknown.
????
Look if you can’t understand the ratings numbers then I don’t know what to say. It’s not like it’s the first time I have had this discussion, it’s been done over and over and over again and it is always the same.
Here I will pull a random 48 hours rating for you off the top of google.
10:00 CBS 48 Hours Mystery (repeat) 1.4 5 6.15
NBC Law & Order: SVU (repeat) 1.0 4 4.07
ABC Rookie Blue (repeat) 0.8 3 3.45
That is one Saturday
here is another
9:00 CBS 48 Hours Mystery (repeat) 0.9 4 4.74And the key demo is way up for the SF card. The same people who are watch 48 Hour mystery are not the same watching SF. And like I asked, how many MMA television viewers do you think are out there? 5+mm is a big chunk. He is not unknown.
So do we have to go comparing 48 hours rerun ratings so you can find one that’s just a little bit lower than Fedor did and I can find one that is higher? It’s reruns of a show so shitty it’s stuck on Saturday night (the worst night of the week for ratings). The show averages between 5 and 6 million viewers (you do know what average means right?).
So, avoid my question completely.
How many of the MMA television viewers do you think are out there? I would say close to 5.5mm viewers is a pretty big cut of those viewers.
Kimbo vs. Lesnar
does 500k more buys than Fedor vs. Lesnar.
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Definitely.
And it is funny how if you hold firm to your opinions and detail them then you are a troll. Got it. Bottoms up.
yep 5 to 7 million or so casual viewers would be a decent number and that isn’t shit in terms of numbers of casual fans that tune in occasionally to free shows. I didn’t answer that question because it was a meaningless question, your banding around a number like it means something but Spongebob SquarePants has more viewers than MMA has casual fans. Firefly was getting 5 million viewers a decade ago when it was on and it couldn’t even finish one season without getting cancelled, 5 million really isn’t anything special by todays household numbers. You say 5.5 million like it should mean something and I just don’t get where you can’t understand that it doesn’t. In the grand scheme of things MMA is a fringe sport with a limited audience still, it’s getting better but it still isn’t all that. More people watched Rampage vs Henderson back in 2007 on free tv, have either of them broke the PPV sales ratings? Rampage does good now but he’s a lot more popular now than he was back then, heck he’s done a feature movie. Kimbo Slice did nearly 2 million more viewers than Fedor did but his UFC PPV wasn’t a record breaker, just because people will tune in for free doesn’t mean they will spend $50 for it.
Why the hell are you talking about SpoungeBob and Firefly?
I’m talking about MMA fans only. Kimbo is known by just about everyone there is in US MMA. Your point has been no one but the most absolute hardcore fans knows who Fedor is. You admit that the market is small. So, if 5.5mm tune in to see him then it has to be a big chunk of the overall US MMA viewers.
Casual fans tuned in, a lot of them thougth it was a UFC show, heck I think even ESPN labeled the footage UFC footage. Casual fans like that tune in but they don’t really know who all these guys are and they aren’t going to learn. There are still a hell of a lot of casual fans out there who think that Chuck Liddell is still world champion. That isn’t the number of hardcore fans that is just a number of people who tune in (many of them drunk at bars watching fights with no sound). Even as far as Kimbo goes (the most famous MMA fighter there is), he’s not that well known and a lot of casual fans know him as “that beard dude”. You are acting like every single MMA fans watched that show and every single one of them knew who Fedor was and became a Fedor fan from it and that is just silly. I know at least three UFC fans at work who watched that show and still don’t actually know who Fedor is. They were watching it as a Saturday night party. When I try to explain who Fedor is to them (and that that show wasn’t a UFC show) they still don’t care.
I brought up the other shows to point out that 5 million people isn’t very impressive at all and shouldn’t be touted like it means anything special.
Last one for the night
…ok, so Fedor comes on and the viewership surges by almost 2mm from the rest of the show. Now, we are not going to sit here and figure out how many of the original 3mm were watching waiting for Fedor and the main event ( I know the group at my place was) but for shits and giggles lets split them, but the 2mm we could be pretty sure of. So, let’s say 3.5mm were tuning in to see Fedor. Out of the overall MMA audience that exists in the US I would say that is still a good chunk and that he is not an unknown in the US market.
Not really, yea he’s not unknown in the US market but he’s not really a draw either (it’s not like that many of those people followed him over to Showtime). The 1.49 million Fedor’s CBS event gained for his fight was good but you are reading way too much into that and now that he has lost the thing that was drawing interest there isn’t there anymore. Fedor’s Showtime event didn’t even crack 500k which puts him below Frank Shamrock’s shows and well below what Hershal Walker did or Gina Carano(and one of Gina’s CBS fights had more viewers than Fedor’s too). Yes Showtime isn’t going to get anything near what CBS does in terms of ratings but it shows that Fedor’s drawing power has actually shrank since the CBS show(which may be due to M-1’s holdout with Strikeforce) and after the loss it shrank more. He’s a moderate draw at most but he cost as much as the biggest draws in the sport. Not to mention every time he starts to gain any momentum in the US something has come in and screwed it up (like Josh Barnett or his own management).
He's not unknown
he’s just not particularly well known, especially amongst mainstream fans who don’t read mma websites. There are many, many other fighters who have stronger reputations and more ability to pull in dollars in the USA.
Yesterday your argument was that he didn’t need to draw in the USA because he’s such a big draw in the rest of the world, and today you’re arguing that he’s huge in the USA and look, here’s the USA ratings to prove it.
Which is it?
Now you made me cry
Firefly was getting 5 million viewers a decade ago when it was on and it couldn’t even finish one season without getting cancelled
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by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And your weak ass argument marches on…
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What is weak about the argument?
Am I the first one to question Overeem’s metamorphosis into Ubereem might have been chemically assisted? You are saying that it is not in the realm of possibility that he put on that much mass. You keep asking for an “expert opinion”. How about simple fucking common sense. You look at Alex Rodriguez as a Mariner and you look at him as a Ranger and there is a huge difference. His talent was the same.
Oooooh, common sense! Lets try it.
30 lbs gain over five years on a 6’5" frame as he went from 23 to 28 years old after artificially suppressing his weight? No wai!
I’ve gained half that weight in half that time (1:1 ratio to his) on a much smaller frame with nothing but a decent diet, protein shakes, and creatine later on. And I’m no gym rat nor do I have psycho good genetics like he does.
Common sense says he could be on PEDs as any professional athlete is. Common sense also says that we have no proof, and common sense also says that PEDs don’t magically make you giant and ripped. Genetics, diet, and lifting do.
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So, you're telling me
… that you can look at Overeem over the years and see the amount of mass he put on and that he fought in the US only three times in his entire career, three of those years while he was the champ of a US based promotion and was at his largest and no red flag goes up. Really? Honestly?
I can honestly tell you
that his gains are exceptional and plausibly natural. You’re all hot and bothered even though he’s never pissed hot, fought in the US recently, and was specifically targeted for testing.
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That's no what I asked
… I asked that given his gain in size from his last fight in 2007 in the US to his most recent and the fact that he never came back during that whole time is or isn’t a red flag
by memitim on Aug 25, 2010 7:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The real question would be what other “evidence” besides meaningless pictures do you have? Pictures aren’t evidence of jack shit nor is your personal opinion based on looking at those pictures. Do you have any real evidence at all or are you just blowing a bunch of smoke about a subject you obviously know nothing about? He could of or he may never have but you can’t tell anything from pictures.
For the hundreth time
no I don’t have any real evidence. I am not a doctor and my name isn’t Brian McNamee. The pictures are one part. The fact that he left and didn’t fight in the US for three years while he bulked up is another. Third, why does he not say fuck it and take the test. As I have said, it’s a red flag.
He isn’t taking the test because he’s fighting K-1 this fall and has already started training for that, the whole statement from M-1 Global was a big sham because Overeem was doing something else.
As far as the years he was in Japan, that’s not rocket science it’s plain as can be. Overeem left Strikeforce because they had no tv contract and nothing to offer him at the time, they were still a regional promotion, he came back shortly after they got a tv contract and shows on CBS. Overeem went were the money was, first to K-1/Dream and then back to Strikeforce onece the money was better with them.
The pictures are worthless.
Glad you finally got it
You seem to mindlessly bang your head against the wall no matter what anyone says to you on any topic. You just ignore the questions you have no answer to. It’s a fun way to pass the time at work, though, proving someone so thoroughly wrong in so many ways.
Laughable
…the two of you have been doing the Dana dance the past two days saying the stupidest of things. Tell me again how Mir would outdraw against Brock over Fedor. It is truly laughable.
What does Dana White have to do with any of this? It’s like you fell out of the Sherdog forum forum 2007. Do you actually go looking for information to try and learn whats going on or are you just parroting back what you want to believe?
When someone honestly believes that Mir/Brock III would outdraw Fedor/Brock they are seriously drinking Dana White Kool Aid.
No, it's living in the real world.
I hate Frank Mir. I think he acts like a douche and I don’t like his fights. Brock-Fedor is in my top 5 fights I’d like to see.
I just am smart enough to realize that the bulk of people buying PPVs aren’t the kind of people who used to download torrents of old PRIDE fights, so they don’t give a shit about some pudgy Russian guy they’ve never heard of.
People who are as willfully dense and ignorant as you make me embarrassed to like Fedor, because when people think “Fedor Fans” they think of people like you. Not all Fedor fans are idiots, just people like you do everything in your power to try to make us look that way.
And people who remember
MMA before the UFC realize how stupid a statement like Mir/Brock III would out sell Brock/Fedor. It goes both ways.
I’ve been watching MMA as long as there has been actuall MMA, since UFC 1. What MMA was their before that? What MMA were you watching pre-UFC?
Before Zuffa UFC
…the whole generation of WWE fanboys who honestly think that a Mor rematch would outsell a Fedor match against Brock. I’m sorry, if you believe that, honestly, there is nothing I can do for you.
You've got it wrong
When you’re trying to trot out how old school you are, you’re supposed to call the people TUF Noobs.
The fact that you’re calling them WWE Fanboys proves that you yourself are a TUF noob, and you’re irked at the second big wave of fans that came in with Brock.
cry moar n00b
So you mean before Zuffa bought the UFC in 2000? Pre-2000 openweight grand prix that Mark Coleman won? Were you watching Pride back in the days of Nobuhiko Takada winning worked matches?
The WWE generation BS was tired even by 2007 Sherdog forum standards (it’s called Tuf-noobs ya noob). I have to wonder if you are like 14 years old and just haven’t been watching the sport that long yourself or if you haven’t been paying much attention to the sport in the last 3 years as a hardcore fan.
TUF Noon, WWE Fanboys
whatever you want to call them. Generally, people who don’t live in reality when they think a Mir/Brock III would the best ever and outdraw a Fedor/Brock match. It is unrealistic.
Tuf Noob you goof, how long have you even been on the internet? Mir vs Lesnar 2 already was estimated at 1.6 million (the current MMA record for PPV sales). How much more than the most PPVs ever sold for a UFC even do you think Fedor vs Lesnar would do?
Typo police is out and about
That was Mir/Lesnar II which had a huge build to it. Mir just got clobbered by the guy that Lesnar just beat (and who is also under steroid scrutiny). Do you think Mir today is going to draw 1.6mm viewers? Really. C’mon. I think anyone dealing in reality would agree that Brock/Fedor would be the biggest HW fight UFC could put on.
If Mir puts a couple of big wins beneath him and gets back into title contention it won’t be the Mir we are talking about today it will be the Mir that is back in title contention as he was then. The Mir who knows how to sell a fight, the Mir who had a huge backstory with Lesnar and they both hate each other, it’s not that far out of an idea as you think it is. Who knows what would happen or which would do the best, I doubt Fedor will ever be in the UFC anyway but the fact that you can’t even admit that it’s a possibility says a whole lot about you.
Ok
if Mir beats CroCop, then beats say Cain and JDS. And Brock gets thru both of them as well then yes, it could possibly draw as much. Maybe. Chances of that happening?
Higher than the chances of Fedor and Dana White sitting down in a room together and hashing out a contract.
by who me on Aug 25, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We get it, memitim.
After you watched the TUF finale, you thought this MMA stuff was pretty cool.
You went on the internets and googled “Best MMA mans ever” and found some Fedor highlights. You went back to school the next day and told your friends about this invincible badass who’s the best in the world…they wouldn’t know, because they didn’t watch the super cool stuff like you, on the internet.
Over the years your affection builds, and it’s hard to let go. We get that.
But some of us actually:
- Have been watching this sport for a little while
- Don’t have our heads jammed firmly up our asses
So quiet when grown folks are talking.
Yawn, this is getting old and I am getting tired and you are just getting goofy and desperate.
Yes Mir vs Brock 3 may outsell Fedor vs Brock, Mir vs Brock 2 sold more PPVs than all of Fedor’s PPVs combined. Of course we will never know for sure because it doesn’t look like Fedor will ever go to the UFC anyway as they will never co-promote with M-1 Global so it’s a silly and meaningless discussion but feel free to keep flying that flag of irrelevance for days if you want.
The first one he is oiled up
The second one he was making weight
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yeah, he lifted to have a bodybuilder physique then, and now he’s working out to be a functional athlete. Like i said, i don’t claim that either never did anything, but i’m not using pictures as evidence. it just shows how little you know about the subject.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 25, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you can see it or feel it it must be true.
Remember last winter when global warming was disproved?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at him
in his last fight in the US before he defended against Rogers in 2007. Since folks are sensitive about pictures I won’t post any but go to youtube and watch the fight. His physique is completely different. He goes to Japan and he comes back a monster and doesn’t come back for three years, while he’s the champ. Whether or not his massive development could happen naturally or not it puts up a red flag. A huge one.
You do realise that Overeem’s weight cutting was getting to such a level that he was pissing blood, right? That tells me the physique he had then was quite…unhealthy. When he decided to move to heavyweight he was able to do more muscle training & eat more. Gaining what he’s gained is hardly unnatural. Dude could be on the bull shark testosterone, but so could a myriad of other guys based on the amount of evidence we have for Overeem.
Incidentally, do you think Frank Mir is juicing?
He wasn't weight cutting
…in 2007. He fought for the HW title and left for Japan and came back with a ton more mass. Do I think Frank Mir is juicing? Who knows. Did Frank Mir leave with his belt and go fight in Japan for three years and come back a monster?
Gasp!
You mean people don’t stay exactly physically the same they’re entire lives?!?!
Seriously, I’d really like to know where you’re background knowledge on this subject comes from. If it’s just pictures then get real dude, do some reading.
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Nigga please
Brock was 275-280 in college, 295 max in WWE and now back to 275. His muscles were built different because they weren’t for athletic competition, but for looks. I’m not saying he was clean, I’m saying that the pictures don’t show shit. Brock is just as likely to have used as any other MMA star.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care really
… but given Overeem turning into Ubereem it is not out of the realm of possibilities that he had some help. Do I think Fedor should hold up the fight as a result, no. But, I understand why they are asking.
It's not out of the realm of possibility for anyone to have used PEDs
You don’t have to be cut like a bodybuilder to have used steroids.
Overeem gained like one pound a month on average in your picture sequence. What’s suspicious about that?
It's suspicious
…not only for his complete transformation and the amount of mass he put on but also because he is the SF champ and he defended his belt for the first time in the US in almost three years. I’m not saying it proves anything but it raises a red flag and if I’m a fighter getting into a cage I’d like to be certain.
Here troll, I'll feed you
Clearly you have little to no education on physical training and conditioning. Each person has a certain potential size that their frame and body can accommodate. Up until that point, as long as you train right and eat the right diet, you can pack on size like no other.
In Overeem’s case, he spent several years starving his body and doing what was necessary to keep his weight down. This is important, because when doing S&C training, the quickest and biggest gains in size come after a period of dieting and leaning out. For the average person who doesn’t do this but still works to put on size, they can gain about .5-1.0 pounds of solid muscle per week if they do it right. After a lean-out period, 1 pound per week is average.
Overeem is a professional athlete with exceptional genetics. He spent years starving his body. Realistically, he could put on 10 pounds of pure, lean muscle within the first week. If he had three years to put on weight, even at an average of .5 pounds per week (which isn’t that unheard of), he could it in just over a year. Over three years, there is nothing suspicious about it.
Please go learn about training for size before you start trotting about on your uninformed high horse. If you knew what you were talking about, your point would go over a lot better. And before you question my credentials, I’m an actual trainer who has been studying this shit. Please stfu now.
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Aug 25, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
First of all
blow me. Secondly, it is not a matter of what he can or can’t put on given his genetics or what his physical training or conditioning can do you juicehead. The point is why the hell does he disappear to Japan while he is the champ of a US organization and not defend in the US while he becomes a monster in size. It’s a red flag whether you read every book on physical conditioning in your library or not. Plain and simple. Now go take your clear and cream.
Please stop embarassing yourself here and just let it go, you haven’t proved anything or even gave any worthwhile clues besides stuff that has been running gags on the internet for years. Overeem left Strikeforce and went to Japan because Strikeforce didn’t even have a tv contract at that time and couldn’t offer him anything of value. Any wonder he came back once they got on CBS?
Bullshit
… he could have fought Arlovski on SHO. He didn’t fight on CBS. He fought Rogers on SHO. He spent three years away with the belt. Wake up.
He could of ought Arlovski on Showtime when? Strikeforce didn’t get going on Showtime till the middle of 2009 and Overeem was fighting K-1 at that time. This magical 3 years you can’t seem to figure out is pretty obvious.
C'mon, stop it.
In 2009 he fought in 3 MMA fights and in 4 K-1. He couldn’t have had one of those three MMA fight be against Arlovski to defend the belt he hadn’t once since 2007?
I refuse to believe you're this dense
You’re wrong on so many levels and about so many things it’s ridiculous.
- In June 2009, Overeem was scheduled to fight Brett Rogers. Overeem was injurted, and Arlovski (who wasn’t even in Strikeforce yet, so I have no idea where you got the idea that Overeem should be fighting him) came in as a replacement.
- Overeem’s hand became badly infected, causing him to pull out of an August 2009 bout with Fabricio Werdum.
- Strikeforce booked all 4 of their other heavyweights for a card in early November (Fedor-Rogers, Werdum-Silva)
- Overeem spent Oct-Dec fighting in K-1 outside of a random squash match at a local show promoted by his gym.
So you’re wrong ab out the opponent he should have been fighting, wrong about the timeline, uninformed about what happened, and directly contradicting all of your rhetoric about Japan being a huge market by saying Overeem is shady for fighting there.
I assume you think that Fedor is shady for wanting to fight in Japan on NYE, right? Why is that? Because he’s doing PEDs? You have to admit it’s raising some red flags.
He fought in K-1 then...
For the same reason he’s fighting in K-1 now. Money.
Strikeforce paid Overeem $30,000 to come win his “title”. Now since you are a huge proponent of the international market being so valuable, you should agree that being a popular heavyweight in the K-1 tournament is likely to pay significantly more than $30,000. Why exactly would he come back to fight for peanuts against nobodies in Strikeforce, again? He’s fighting in the second largest entertainment market in the world! Your words, not mine.
So, he hurt his hand.
he couldn’t fight in April because of K-1. He can’t fight in June because of his hand. He can’t fight in April again because of K-1 and now can’t fight in the US again because of K-1. But, he took on MMA bouts within about a month of other K-1 fights. Got it. One title defense in going on 4 years. Three total fights in his entire career in the US. Yeah, no red flags here.
Fedor spent years fighting in Japan
Instead of challenging for the title in the US. You have to admit that raises some red flags. Why didn’t he want to fight in the US, and defend his title against US fighters?
Yawwwnnnnnn....
Fedor was in Pride till they imploded and were acquired. He then came to the US the following year and faced Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers, and Werdum. All top 10 fighters at the time of the fight.
Conveniently in PRIDE
….where there isn’t PED testing. RED FLAGS. I didn’t ask if he was fighting top guys, I asked why he keeps fighting in Japan and Russia where they don’t test for PEDs! RED FLAGS!!
Hello. McFly?
…He has four fights in the US in three years. Was supposed to have five but Barnett fight fell apart. Reem has one. And when he left the US he became a monster.
Give it up, dude...
It’s getting pathetic.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That warning is at least and hour too late
Thoughtful nonetheless.
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Aug 25, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It took me an hour...
To get through all his BS.
Thirty minutes ago, I thought, “Surely, he’s gonna bring up another point besides ‘OMGZ THREE YEARS IN JAPAN AND LOOK AT TEH PIX!!!!!’ because he’s sorta running out of steam.”
But nope, egg on my face.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 25, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is that...
Supposed to be an insult or…?
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 25, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wondering.
And i’m sure I’m the first person who suspected that Reem might be taking something to help him get to the size he is today. Just maybe.
You make no sense.
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You're not the first...
And you won’t be the last.
But thinking M-1 and Fedor are demanding Olympic-style testing isn’t the BIGGEST EFFING RED HERRING EVER is ridiculous.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 25, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not what I was saying
… is it red herring? Maybe. Probably. But, it also is not unreasonable to think that maybe, just maybe he had some chemical help. That is all I’m saying. If you are getting in a cage with someone would you want to know?
It's not unreasonable...
To think that a majority of professional MMA fighters have some sort of “chemical help.”
Your “evidence” against Overeem which consists of 1) Size increase and 2) Fights outside the US has been thoroughly trounced.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 25, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not providing "evidence"
… I’m providing reasons for suspicion. Huge size increase since his last fight in the US in 2007. Reluctance to fight in the US. He is doing it again right now. Considering the MMA culture in Japan, I think there is enough to be suspicious. Am I wrong?
What reluctance?
Strikeforce had fuck all for a HW division until last year.
Who would you want him to fight in ’07 or ’08? Mike Kyle?
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 25, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
One fight
…in what is going on 4 years. He had seven bouts in Japan last year between K-1 and MMA. Why can’t he fight in the 4th quarter? It just seems there is always a reason for Reem not to come to the US.
He had no reason to...
Until last year when he was offered a fight with Werdum, he HAD no reason to come to the US.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 25, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes for years it was because Strikeforce had no one for him to fight and then since 2009 he’s had a major injury and a kickboxing career that he seems to like more than MMA. Not to mention his manager and Fedor’s manager absolutely hate each other. It’s not surprising that this fight just hasn’t ever got made and I’m not going to fault the guy for prefering to do K-1 instead of fighting Bigfoot Sylva.
Ruh Roh
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Sorry, did I translate that wrong? My bad. Oh, and fyi, I rub a clear cream all over my ass, not one and the other. Shows how much you don’t know. /sarcasm
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Aug 25, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh don't worry
It’s not a steroid. It is a special cream to cure the chappedness that occurred when I got put on blast when I once thought it was cool to be the troll that is just super dense and ignores pesky things like facts and proof. Then I turned 13 and realized how dumb it was. When the day comes and you have that same epiphany, I’ll send you some.
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Aug 25, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Just rub it on the chapped asscheeks that will come after somebody straightens you out harshly enough to wake you out of your dreamland you’re currently living in.
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Aug 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You're getting creepy
with all the talk about rubbing on ass cheeks, especially if you think I’m 13. Someone should be keeping an eye on you.
Man, that's one hard evidence.
Comparing Overeem at 22 years old to Overeem at 29 years old is a job of genius.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 26, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
So if he ever fights Josh Barnett, we can expect Fedor and company to ask for the same type of drug testing, right? Well, I guess it’s not really needed because the normal testing has caught him 3 times already.
by JustBleed on Aug 25, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It would have been awesome if Overeem’s camp responded by saying “yeh, sure. We’ll take the tests!”
Then M-1 would probably add new stipulations.
Seriously, what is their end game? Once Fedor retires and they no longer have him to hold the fans/UFC/Strikeforce to ransom with EVERYBODY is going to know how difficult impossible M-1 are to work with.
Have they not thought about that.
What a shame this whole fiasco is, I have Fedor related apathy, soon I will scroll down the page when ever I see an article about him.
I think Fedor is their end game
They’ve probably given up on their big dream of M1 being a big global MMA brand. They want Fedor to beat Overeem, get a big check from the UFC for Fedor’s last three fights or so, and maybe continue putting on small shows if they can after that.
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all I have to say
Is that regardless of what happens with the testing, if this fight goes down, we’re all probably going to watch. Who WOULDNT want to watch Fedor v Ubereem. yeesh.
by RoeNoMo on Aug 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for truth
…but we both lose points due to the utter impossibility of this ever happening…
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I think as long as Scott Coker is at the door with his checkbook out Fedor will continue to do this dog and pony show.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Aug 25, 2010 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
Hey Nate
When did Overeem become the be-all and end-all fight for Fedor outside the UFC? I for one an happy with a Barnett fight and a potential rematch with Werdum…followed by an Overeem fight. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Overeem were to get dropped by Antonio Silva. Much like Cro Cop and Arlovski, Overeem shells up when a fighter takes the fight to him, and has shown that he doesn’t have an iron jaw.
oh i'm actually thrilled by the prospect of Fedor vs Barnett
just thought them calling out Overeem when he’d already announced he was fighting K-1 was transparent BS they needed to be called on.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Overeem is being a baby
He needs to just take what strikeforce is giving him, idk why he’s even the HW champ he never fights for SF his inactivity should be a defining factor. He only wanted to fight Fedor so he could get the glory of saying he beat him if he did, but Werdum beat him to it, now he wants werdum bc he beat fedor, if fedor won, overeem would still want fedor, now he just doesn’t care, he’s only taking fights that get him alot of attention which is ironic since all he does is fight k-1 and dream which No one seems to care about over here.
by Michael Murdaugh on Aug 25, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
This
Thank you Kid Nate. You are so right on this post, especially the update.
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by thetakeover on Aug 25, 2010 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But M-1 doesn’t care about testing. They fought Tim Sylvia — who’s failed a drug test — and signed to fight Josh Barnett — who failed 2 drug tests BEFORE he failed the CSAC test that cancelled their Affliction fight — and said nary a word about drug testing. They were talking about fighting Antonio Silva — who’s failed drug test — and again, not a peep about drug tests.
Not to mention the seven years he spent in the wild west frontiers of Japanese MMA. He sure didn’t seem worried about steroids back then.
by Steve4192 on Aug 26, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
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