Missed Connections: Strikeforce Blows the Potentially Epic Jason Miller-Nick Diaz Match
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT
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Life is a collection of opportunities. It's up to you to make the most of them. Sometimes the heavens align and the perfect opportunity plummets to Earth, right there for you to reach out and grab. Capitalizing on these rare chances is the difference between pushing a Benz and living in Malibu and operating out of a broken down shack in south east Alabama and driving a riding lawnmower to your job at the Wal Marts.
Strikeforce has one of these perfect opportunities, waiting there for them to grasp. Sure, the promotion's last CBS show went off the air after a brutal brawl between Jason "Mayhem" Miller and members of the Cesar Gracie crew, led by the always angry Nick Diaz. Some fans laughed, some were appalled. Our own Brent Brookhouse fell in the latter category:
First of all allow me to rant. I'm embarrassed for the sport of mixed martial arts. I don't fault Strikeforce for the brawl and honestly I think it's unfair to fault Miller. Miller went in to the cage and did some "thunder stealing" yes. But when the repercussion for that became gang assault I am not sure. Did we see Matt Hughes' boys jump Georges St. Pierre for stating that he was "not impressed by his performance?"
I entirely hope that we see the Cesar Gracie camp members involved in the attack charged with assault and forced to own up to their behavior in court. I also would like to see both Diaz brothers, Gilbert Melendez and anyone else involved with the assault suffer a massive suspension. Anything under one year would be too little in my eyes.
No matter how you feel about the confrontation in the cage, it is now an opportunity. No MMA clip in recent memory got more mainstream play and mainstream press is a precious commodity when you aren't named Dana White and your promotion isn't called the UFC. The now iconic photo by Keith Mills tells a story you couldn't pay a thousand writers to create. Miller and Diaz have a built in back story, both can sell a fight, and, by the way, it's also a compelling matchup. Win, win, win, right? Not so fast.
This is Strikeforce remember? The promotion that couldn't pull the trigger on a heated rivalry between Diaz and KJ Noons two years ago (that one was Elite XC). That couldn't get Fedor Emelianenko into the cage with their champion Alistair Overeem, that couldn't even milk the star power of Bobby Lashley before he was exposed in front of a national audience. Suffice to say, Strikeforce is ready and willing not to make the obvious match, not to cash the check begging to be written, and not to make the matches the fans are clamoring for.
And it looks like they are making yet another mistake.Today Strikeforce confirmed with MMA Weekly that instead of taking on Miller, Diaz will once again fight the bland Noons in a battle no one has thought about in a calender year:
"Yes, this fight is set for Oct. 9," Mike Afromowitz, Strikeforce Director of Communications, later confirmed to MMAWeekly.com.
Strikeforce: San Jose coverage
Miller, for certain, will be devastated. The host of MTV's Bully Beatdown has done yeoman's work, the kind of public relations Strikeforce never seems to be able to accomplish, to sell this fight to the MMA public. In a wonderful video by Fanhouse's Ariel Helwani, Miller makes his case:
ARIEL HELWANI: "Well, you want to do the that. Does that mean that he doesn’t want to do the fight?"
MAYHEM MILLER: "Obviously. I mean… that’s what I’m getting because everybody wants to see the fight. Everyone’s like, ‘hey man, when you’re going to whip Nick Diaz’s ass?’ I hear that like 10 times a day, you know, and that’s just at my dinner table. You know? But… it’s just like one of those things like I’m in the middle of this weird publicity war where people think that I don’t want the fight. I want the fight. Hell yeah I want the fight. Of course I want the fight because I will whip his ass and make him look bad doing it."
According to Miller, Diaz killed the fight. He wanted, Strikeforce President Scott Coker wanted it, and so did the fans:
ARIEL HELWANI: "Have you talked to Scott Coker about the fight?"
MAYHEM MILLER: "YEAH! He wants it, I think. I think that he wants it. Scott Coker wants the fight. I’ve heard directly from the line Scott Coker wants the fight. Of course, why wouldn’t he want the fight? Two exciting guys who talk smack and fight hard. I know. I respect him as a fighter, BUT as a person man he’s running scared."
ARIEL HELWANI: "You seem a little fired up."
MAYHEM MILLER: "My upper lip is sweating, that’s how fired up I’m getting. All right, let me calm down a little bit. NO, I don’t want to calm down!"
ARIEL HELWANI: "All right. You’re a 185′er, he’s a 170-pounder."
MAYHEM MILLER: "NO, NO, NO, NO, let’s squash that right now. The whole 170 thing, he made that up. He fought, what, Frank Shamrock at 183. He fought Scott Smith at 182. All of a sudden when he has to fight Mayhem, he’s a 170-pounder, Oh, okay, very convenient that you’re a 170-pounder now. All right, cool, he a 170-pounder."
This would have been the most talked about Strikeforce fight of the fall. Instead we're going to get just another fight, with just another bland build. I never thought I'd say this to Nick Diaz, a fighter I once called "the greatest man to ever live." But the situation demands it:
Don't be scared homie.
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Why don't they fight at 175?
Miller can make WW.
Don’t be scared homie.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 25, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
He said in that video with Ariel that he can't make it anymore.
And he hasn’t done it in five years. He’s fought at 205 more recently than 170.
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He better cut to whatever weight Diaz tells him
or drift back into irrelevancy.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh...
I don’t think any of those match ups will get him the attention he needs.
So yeah, he’s not gonna be irrelevant, but he’s gonna fall out of the public eye.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Bully Beatdown, Season 3
I honestly don’t think a fight with Diaz changes much for Mayhem in terms of being in the public eye.
http://www.instrength.com
Duh.
I should correct that to say, fall out of the MMA spot light.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No fight on Strikeforce will. Mayhem’s character is garbage he’s not funny and he comes across like a Steve-O rip off
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The sad part is he's really intelligent and creative
he’s plays himself. Or more correctly, he’s playing someone else.
See that play on the words? I’m so clever, guys.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He might be, but his persona character or whatever is retarded. I bet Hot Topic sales red spray paint with a Mayhem Miller stencil.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He's on MTV
so he has a douchey image to protect.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec’d
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The loud, brash, arrogant guy...
that’s real. He’s actually an excitable loud person even out of character. He exaggerates a for Bully Beatdown, but not that much. He’s actually really smart and funny.
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by pdl on Aug 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well it would be nice to see more of that even Tito had more than one clever t-shirt.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He is loud, that's for sure.
I listen to Rogan’s podcast all of the time, but I had to turn it off after 15 minutes when Miller was on there. I really don’t dislike him as a fighter, but enough is enough with being “Oh so crazy guy!”
Doesn't really change it...
the guy already cuts a good amount to make 185 and he’s saying that another 10 lbs won’t hurt? 180 is way more reasonable, or the 182 that Diaz fought Scott Smith at. If they decide to make the fight, that is.
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-Randall Munroe
I agree
He can’t make 175 either. I was pointing out that you two were talking about 2 different weights, that’s all.
http://www.instrength.com
He said Miller can make WW, which is 170, as justification for why 175 was reasonable.
Hence my comment that he can’t do 170.
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You are correct sir.
I didn’t think he was referring to Miller making “WW” or 170. My bad.
http://www.instrength.com
He made WW 5 years ago.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes these things happen in matchmaking....
Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.
Exactly. I don't understand how Snowden is blaming this on Strikeforce
Diaz doesn’t want to fight Miller, saying “why are you picking on a smaller guy? I’m 170 and you’re 185”. Miller says he can’t make 170.
Fedor is asking to fight Overeem, and Strikeforce always wanted this to be the third Fedor fight because that’s the order that makes the most sense. They may make it a pay per view, as they now have some footage to promote it (the UFC owns almost all of Fedor’s footage). I’d buy it.
Lashley? AFAICS, they did the right thing by not putting him up against better competition. He wasn’t ready.
And how many people cared about Noons-Diaz a few years ago? Strikeforce was a much smaller promotion then. It will be just a fruitful to dig up the old dirt now.
I tend to agree with this
Does it really matter if this fight happens next month? This match-up will still be good and probably headline worthy 6 months from now.
Giving these two guys a couple of months to build heat, might actually work out better than booking this thing in September. Just saying
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Fedor (Fedor’s management) is asking to fight Overeem? Thats the first I’ve heard of that.
All your doing is spewing garbage with no sense of order or articulation whatsoever. - SimplePsych
With Strikeforce....
They seem to be the rule and not the exception. But I’m sure that they’re not at fault. Just bad luck.
This just seems weird
I remember thinking after the brawl, “Well at least we get to see Mayhem/Diaz now.” I really don’t know why this isn’t going down. I refuse to believe its because Diaz doesn’t want the fight.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Did you see Diaz's video?
He trash talks Miller and then says, “Why are you trying to pick on the little guy anyway? I’m smaller than you are.”
It’s right there in front of you. Diaz doesn’t want to fight Miller.
Man all I remember from that video was
by Pyrgz Krum on Aug 25, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I unrec’d it just so I could rec it again
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What did Diaz do to become "the greatest man of all time."
Did he let you double hit the bong?
Seriously, what made you say that about him?
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t remember. Something awesome.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the gogo wasn't it?
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It could have been literally anything the man has done
He is a national treasure
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Let's just be safe
and say his whole life, from birth til this moment.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
his interviews
mayhams right about him, hes a great unintentional comedian
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Must've been pretty sweet, if you can't even remember.
I gauge moments in my life by how little I remember. New Years was awesome.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
12 minutes ago must have been fucking awesome for me.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Were you asleep
or just high on PCP?
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How am I supposed to remember? I already forgot what we are talking about.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn!
Must’ve been the shiznit.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck yeah son you know Linds just got out
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There are softballs
thrown down the middle…than there are beachballs on a tee in terms of fight game build-up/promotion
The promotion for a Miller vs. Diaz match-up falls in the beachball category for Strikeforce
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by ultmma on Aug 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep, it's not like they have any challengers for Diaz at 170 Noons isn't coming in at 170 is he?
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
There is a ton of 170 talent out there to grab if SF wanted to
Ben Saunders
Frank Trigg
Dan Cramer
Steve Bruno
Chris Wilson
Jay Hieron
Jason High
Matt Arroyo
Brad Blackburn
Delson Heleno
Just off the top of my head. Not even counting the Riggs, Woodley, Taylor, Saffedine and Galvao they already have under contract.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Damn near everyone on that list is a recent or somewhat recent UFC washout. Also Trigg I believe retired, Hieron is obviously just waiting for his contract matching period with SF to end so he can bolt to the UFC, Blackburn is under contract to Bellator, and I’m not sure that Arroyo (who has not fought in 19 months) is even still in the business.
Heleno I’d never heard of but his record looks interesting. Saunders and Wilson would be decent additions if they each got a win or two on the indies first, and the rest I don’t think are worth looking at anytime soon. Excluding Hieron who shouldn’t even be on this list, and maybe Trigg (who is coming off back-to-back first round knockout losses), none of the guys you mentioned would even be a top-5 StrikeForce Welterweight. They need prospects but more immediately they need credible title challengers.
I read an article about chris wilson
Apparently no one in the U.S. is willing to fly him out for a fight (he trains in Brazil), even though he offered to pay for travel it seems. too bad as the guy is quite good
by destructivist on Aug 25, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked that article.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The shitty part:
This a great fight for Strikeforce, but a terrible fight for Diaz. He’s the man, but I just don’t think it smart for him.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
I think Miller’s full of shit, personally. He wants in the MW tourney. He can’t have both.
http://www.instrength.com
What money? Mayhem’s not going to make a cent more off that fight. It won’t be on CBS so he won’t get any added exposure. Holding the MW belt is much better for his career than fighting Nick Diaz at a catchweight he doesn’t feel like cutting to.
http://www.instrength.com
Better sponsorship deals
If he’s in the main event, a highly marketable fight the will potential see a spike in the viewing audience, he’ll get more money from his sponsors than if he fought in the tourney.
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If he wins the tourney, he’d get a helluva lot more than either situation. Like another fight on CBS, where he’ll get WAY more sponsorship money. Nick’s not allowed on CBS apparently. Mayhem is doing the smart thing – throwing the blame onto Nick’s camp. But he’s not going to pass up his chance to be a champion. It’s one or the other.
http://www.instrength.com
I dunno about that. Kennedy, Lawler, the winner of Lindland/Rockhold, Mayhem, Manhoef…there are lots of options there.
http://www.instrength.com
Mayhem probably realizes that the tournament is off.
Right now the smart fight is with Diaz. Bigger than anything he’ll get at MW.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Aug 25, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if you are putting in the winner of lindland/rochold, when is this thing going to get done?
The point was to come up with a champ because their champ left. If you are going to wait for the winner of Lindland/rockland to start the tournament, now you’re going to need a fight for jacare in between. So what’s the point of the tournament?
The tournament was a very exciting prospect once we all figured out that Shields was gone. It could have been really good if they could have announced it/started it very close to jacare’s title win so that the winner could get the next title shot. But as more and more time goes on, the tournament is losing juice.
I would love a tournament
But what I would love even more, is them not bringing up a tournament until they actually have an announcement to make. How cool would that be if out the blue they announced an 8-man LW or HW tournament starting in December?
And for what it’s worth, I’ve heard that Showtime that shot down a tournament last year and a HW tournament earlier this year. Lack of control over who gets booked was the reasoning.
I agree 100% they have been stringing this tournament idea out for a while.
Please call me when you have a tournament with 4 or 8 good fighters booked* and stop talking about the tournament until you have that.
*Booked means done, official, signed by fighters, approved by commission, and is going to happen unless someone gets hurt.
I think Strikeforce should steal a page out of Bellator’s book and use their Challenger cards to hold the tournaments. The finals would be held on a regular showtime card. It would be a great way to build up their young stars and help move them into the limelight.
You could hold an 8-man or woman tournaments for four or five different divisions every year.
by John Nash on Aug 25, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The problem with that would be the cost
A challenger card couldn’t support the salaries of a Mayhem,Lawler, Babalu, Lindland, Smith, Le, etc on a single card.
Not to mention a big named tourney is ratings gold. It would be a waste to put it on a ho hum Challengers card.’
If it was a 145 lb tourney though. It could work.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
I was thinking it would be all Challenger fighters. It’s a way to bring attention to their lesser known fighters.
That would be a great idea
I’d totally watch a challengers card with nothing but 4 or 5 WW prospect fights on it.
Seems like a great way to add some excitement to that division.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
What was the point of the women’s tourney at 135? Tate won, but Coenen gets the first shot anyway.
Or just make Lindland/Rockhold a first round matchup in the tourney, with another fight the same night. Finals in early Jan. Jacare fights someone in between. Tournaments are done to create contenders in these cases, not champions.
http://www.instrength.com
The women’s tourney is a little different because no one knew anyone in that division, and it was a challengers card. Also, giving coennen the first shot hurt it.
I would like to see the tournament, but nothing leads me to believe that it’s actually going to happen. They’ve been talking about it, but they haven’t been really doing anything about it.
Maybe it’s just hope, but I think they’ll get it done. If Showtime has a problem with calling it a tournament, they’ll book a few MW fights and the winners face the winners and it’s not “labeled”. Right now there’s no clear # 1 contender for the title though, so I’m not sure what they do. Jacare/Mayhem 3?
http://www.instrength.com
I can’t see the tournament happening at this point. Sure, they haven’t officially called it off, but at this point who would they put in it? Diaz is busy, Miller is pushing for the Diaz fight and hasn’t even talked about the tournament lately as far as I know. Hendo and Le aren’t in. So how are they going to pull of an 8 man tournament at this point? Lindland/Rockhold hasn’t even been labeled as a tournament bout, and those were two of the guys people expected to be in it.
I get the impression Coker didn’t realize how hard it was to put it together before dreaming it up, so we’re at the point that the reality of the situation has crushed the hope.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Aug 25, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t have to be an 8 man tourney, Coker’s talked about the 4 man route as well.
http://www.instrength.com
six man tourney with a three way fight for the strap
yeah, that’s thinking outside the box!
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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 25, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
brain and/or fingerfart
I actually do know the diff. between a championship and a #1 contendership match. One is like my ass, the other is like a hole in the ground.
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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 25, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
DId you just insinuate that you have a huge hole in your ass?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely not!
that doesn’t require insinutation. That’s what an ass IS.
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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 25, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how he loses honestly
I can see him keep it standing and out strike him.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Well I botched that reply.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
You and I and everyone on this board knows there will never be a tourney.
Strikeforce will never give the public what it wants, as evidenced by this article.
It’s really starting to hurt my head. I just can’t wrap my hands around some of their tactics. Even when the UFC puts together bad match-ups I can usually see why they did it. It just seems like they put all of the possibilities on the floor in front of them and then pick the worst example. I’m starting to think Dana White is Scott Coker and Dana bought Strikeforce just to fuck with Showtime.
I’m starting to think Dana White is Scott Coker and Dana bought Strikeforce just to fuck with Showtime.
[insert Dana White fat joke here]
by Chromium on Aug 25, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uhhhh...
Who’s ass has Mayhem “whooped” that’s a legit fighter since 2008? This guy is just talking a game to keep himself relevant. Sorry man, pounding out Tim Stout doesn’t get you a shot @ the strap.
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One could say the same about Diaz
And really it doesn’t matter, because that’s not the point. It’s a marketable fight for a fighter in Diaz who is severely lacking in promotable fights outside the UFC.
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Not to play devil's advocate....
Diaz – Frank Shamrock, Scott Smith, Mark Zaromskis (Dream WW Champ) & Sakurai – Last 4 fights as wins
Mayhem – Kala Hose (W), Jacare (NC), Jake Shields (L) & Tim Stout (W)
“NO, NO, NO, NO, let’s squash that right now. The whole 170 thing, he made that up. He fought, what, Frank Shamrock at 183. He fought Scott Smith at 182. All of a sudden when he has to fight Mayhem, he’s a 170-pounder, Oh, okay, very convenient that you’re a 170-pounder now. All right, cool, he a 170-pounder.”
I don’t know if Mayhem realizes right now, he’s the Strikeforce WW champ as of the Zomskis win, if you just won the belt, would you be switching weight classes or wanting people to hit 170 to fight you?
I really have a problem with both fighters, their shit talking for being in a sub-par promotion and the way they both market themselves. I can see the side ND here. Mayhem’s done 170 before, he’s talking the most shit, drop down and take his belt. Don’t be scared homie.
“YEAH! He wants it, I think. I think that he wants it. Scott Coker wants the fight. I’ve heard directly from the line Scott Coker wants the fight. Of course, why wouldn’t he want the fight?”
Saying yeah he wants it I think. To me doesn’t sound like you’ve really sat down and convinced Coker face to face how worthwhile that is.
Play Hard, Train Harder
I don’t know if Mayhem realizes right now, he’s the Strikeforce WW champ as of the Zomskis win, if you just won the belt, would you be switching weight classes or wanting people to hit 170 to fight you?
I think I’d have much less of a problem here if Diaz was fighting a legit Welterweight even, instead of StrikeForce’s second-most-visible LW. Noons is a giant asshat, but he’s arguably StrikeForce’s second most visible Lightweight after Melendez, and I think people would love to see Melendez kick his face in. In addition to scuttling the Miller-Diaz bout, they are scratching what is arguably the best title-match they could have at LW without bringing in someone from another promotion.
Asshat does not get used enough
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
JZ Calvancante is bringing the thunder.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
Yep...
Totally agree.
Except Noons is stepping up to fight Diaz. I wouldn’t have a problem with Mayhem cutting weight to lay it on Diaz. Just saying, he has the strap, it’s everyone else’s responsibility to come to him and challenge him.
Play Hard, Train Harder
If he would have lost to Tim Stout he would be headlining an event for the title.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is Strikeforce remember? The promotion that couldn’t pull the trigger on a heated rivalry between Diaz and KJ Noons two years ago.
Actually, I don’t remember that, since neither fighter was with Strikeforce.
by smoogy2 on Aug 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Nope, all Strikeforce's fault
The whole “they fight for a different organization” is just another one of Coker’s excuses that he’s been hiding behind for years. Remember when Wanderlei Silva was supposed to fight Chuck Liddell back in 2006? Boy, Strikeforce really dropped the ball on that one. They refuse to let GSP fight Anderson Silva too. Such bullshit.
by simpsycho on Aug 25, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hey, Strikeforce has a lot of promotional screw up but I don’t think you can lay this on them:
The promotion that couldn’t pull the trigger on a heated rivalry between Diaz and KJ Noons two years ago.
That was EliteXC.
by John Nash on Aug 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Youre late.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce should probably suspend it's WW division in all honesty
With Shields and Hieron now calling the Octagon home it’s the weakest division in any mma promotion. They need Paul Daley extremly badly
Epic?
Nothing about that matchup screams “epic” to me.
They’re both alright. Neither is epic.
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Proud BElitest.
by MMArazorback on Aug 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The bad blood is getting epic
maybe in that context?
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I diasagree
both are scrappy as hell and combined with Mayhhem’s toughness I can see that beings being legendary.
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
Wow
being beings= fight being
FML
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
yeah thanks for clearing that up
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They're top 20
Or top 15 guys. Nothing to sneeze at.
And they are two of the two most amusing trash-talkers in the sport.
And they’re coming off an epic, controversial brawl.
So, sure, let’s get excited. That’s epic, for a non-title fight. At least in my book.
I like Mayhem for the time during the weigh in he took his shirt off and threw it at the ring girl that shit was classic.
as a fighter he’s alright.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the article
and agree whole-heartedly.
This is the kind of fight that would get more of the casuals into SF, too bad it’s not gonna happen, the shit-talk would have been transcendent.
Not to be the resident spelling Nazi but in the second paragraph you wrote “member of the Cesar Gracie Crew” I think you meant "members?
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
Good Article
Also, when is Cung Le going to fight? I know he’s overblown and hasn’t really fought anyone, but damn, I think he has one of the coolest styles in the history of MMA. It’s so lame how he never really pushed his career.
Scott Coker and the entire Strikeforce staff need to watch this:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/8/17/1628120/ariel-helwani-and-paul-heyman-have
Way off!!! Why would Diaz want to fight Miller?
Diaz is NOT a MW. He did two MW fights, one against a purely standup guy, and one against an aging star that is too old for the ground game. These were safe fights to move up a weight class for bc he wouldnt get bullied around on the ground, which is how hes lost in the past.
Miller is a huge MW and a strong grappler. Its a dumb fight for Diaz to take. Why should he go against a guy he hates who will probably beat him on size alone? Its not even like Miller is some gigantic star or anything. It just wouldnt be smart, or entertaining probably.
I LOVE the Noons fight instead. Guaranteed stand up war with both guys going for the finish. Tons of trash talk to come too. Maybe even another scuffle when Noons’ dad inevitable gets in the ring after the fight.
You guys are nuts. This is the best thing for Diaz, and the fans
by HighNoon on Aug 25, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
People just like bashing Strikeforce for no reason
Looking at the fight itself, Diaz-Noons is very intriguing.
There's plenty of reason
Also instead of bashing, you could see it as looking out for what’s best for them. I completely agree with Snowden’s article here, it’s a golden opportunity for a BIG fight, something they really need, and they’re letting it pass.
I’m not a hater but it’s pissing me off that they’re letting this one slip, I’d love to see this fight and it would do huge numbers, much larger than what Noons – Diaz will ever do.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 25, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would he fight him?
a guy he hates
Sounds like a good reason to me. You hate him, fight him. Unless you’re scared. Which he clearly is.
Its not even like Miller is some gigantic star
He is a bigger star than Diaz, by a large margin. Bully Beatdown is huge.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I didn't know that.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He hates him, but would probably lose to the bigger, stronger grappler. Big wrestlers are his weakness. Why give a guy he hates a win over you.
Also, idk about Millers star power. I don’t see him headlining events like Diaz does
Just check his MTV ratings
Part of the problem people have had with Strikeforce is their seemingly unwilling to cash in on his fame.
And you’re right, Diaz would probably lose. Diaz knows this, so he is running scared. Still, you jump a guy who is another fighter who can fight at a weight you have been more than willing to fight at before… you should expect to get called out for it.
And it’s a HUGE money maker for Strikeforce, which is the point. It has built in marketing done for it. Noons/ Diaz II (which is a fight I have wanted for a long time) does not have the same hype.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I neveer heard of the show until the Shields fight.
I didn’t think Mayhem would have a chance against Diaz but I never followed either fighter to much.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You must have a non MTV taste
Which is to say, good taste. That show does sick ratings, people love it. It’s going into season 3 and doesn’t appear to be slowing down.
Both Mayhem and Nick are better than they get credit for. Mayhem especially.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My woman watches Jersey Shore sometimes but thats the only exposure I get.
and I thought Arlofski was on that show. And Diaz i figured would own the stand up and I assumed he’d have the advantage on the mat as well.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
AA was on it once
I love him so I watched that episode. I thought he was gonna kill that kid.
I think Diaz would outbox Miller, then getting taken down and controlled.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hes not running scared
Do you think it would be smart for Kenny Florian to fight Jon Fitch? No way. It wouldnt be fair. Fitch is significantly bigger and utilizes a gameplan that would take advantage of that. The same is true with Diaz/Miller
Its not running scared to stay in your division. His MW stints were against good style match ups, so give him credit for having the balls to do that
Has Kenny been testing the waters at 170 and then jumped someone at that weight? No? Weird…. must be a silly analogy then.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He might if he had Diaz’s options. Nick had no one at WW worth fighting. It was a balsy career decision and it worked out. He shouldnt push his luck against a grappler
And watch Nicks video. He didnt throw the first punch
I get it. Nicks afraid to fight a grappler he jumped.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He didnt jump anyone. Miller started it and a brawl broke out. Nick happened to be involved. So was Gilbert Melendez, how about he and Miller fight?
Making smart career decisions isnt being afraid. Nick is the WW champ. If Miller wants him, he can find him at 170
You’re saying it yourself. He wants no part of Mayhem, a guy he DID JUMP, without his buddies to help him. He’s brave enough to fight guys at 180 as long as they aren’t Mayhem. That’s clearly fear.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If Mayhem really had stones...
I’d think he’d be chasing a Shields rematch? A guy that kicked his ass, took his belt, then jumped him?
But he’s not chasing that fight for some reason…
don’t be scared homie.
by WarToney on Aug 25, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He WAS trying to get that re-match
Why do you think he was in the ring when Shields beat Hendo?
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps that reason is they're no longer in the same organization?
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz is man enough to fight him when he has a group of buddies behind him...
But he doesn’t wanna get locked in that cage alone.
by truck on Aug 25, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, this is what I am getting out of it.
Nothing says ‘tough guy’ like ducking the dude you and 5 of your buddies jumped earlier.
interesting
how people are appalled by what happened during the brawl, but then are mad when those involved don’t get rewarded with a highly publicized grudge match.
..!..
by nostraboris on Aug 25, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Catch twenty motherfuckin two, bitches.
-Nick Diaz
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I was appalled by Nick and his boys jumping someone 10 on 1
I have no problem with the victim being given a chance at a fair fight.
the "victim"
shouldn’t get in frame when a fighter who just won is talking.
Selective appalling-ness.
..!..
Only
that happens all of the time in combat sports.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish Jacare would spray paint a yellow stripe in his hair and call out Mayhem.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
Does he deserve a title shot though?
I would rather see Mayhem and Lawler fight for number one contender.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Deserving and title shot don’t mix when talking Strikeforce
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forgot who we were talking about for second.....
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Lawler is coming off a loss and got knocked out by Diaz.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He got knocked out
in the 1800’s
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Number 1 contender for Jacare
SF has limited options in terms of guys on a win streak fighting for a title.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were Mayhem, I keep calling out Diaz for ducking him until the world ends. I think Diaz is the type of guy whose skin is very easy to get under.
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
He might just snap and try to fight him in public
wait… nevermind… That’s how we got here.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really care to watch those two fight.
Am I the only one that wants to see Diaz v. KJ Noons II?
I’m really hoping for Diaz to pull of another Gogo
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
off not of
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see him pulling guard and going straight for the gogo
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I shit my pants yesterday when I heard about it.
Been waiting 2 years to see KJ go to sleep.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can I get an Amen?
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll be waiting a lot longer
after Noons blisters Nicks face again.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You come to rain on my parade?
Cold, man. Just cold.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What has Noons been doing while Diaz has been improving? This time we will see Noons napping and yes the sandman will be there with a double Stockton hey-buddy
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Noons has been Boxing
and training. He hasn’t been off drinking and eating cheese burgers. That’s what I have been doing.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And going the distance with Conor Heun only to win by split
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess obliterating
Gurgel more recently than having some issues with Heun means less?
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when has beating Gurgel meant anything?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Not a Jorge fan, eh?
It’s more about how he beat him.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
win by cheap shots in Strikeforce is still a win
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cheap shots?
That fight should have been over before any “cheap” shot even landed.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on the fight was over after the late hit
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't late
He threw it at the bell.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
and I wasn't even drunk yet
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought so to
until the replay.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So the fight should have been a NC at that point
they carried him to the corner and he came out to get knocked out like a man in the 2nd. If your gonna send an injured fighter out there let the man have a chance if they were worried about his safety he wouldn’t have been allowed to answer the 2nd bell
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
But he got knocked out after the bell
How can you give a guy a win for that?
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Unable to answer the bell.
TKO (Retirement) 5:00 R1.
That’s the right call for that fight. And I’m not a KJ fan.
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-Randall Munroe
That’s incidental. If the punch is thrown before or at the bell, it’s a legal shot no matter if it lands after.
http://www.instrength.com
WTF
I’ll take your word on the rules I just think Jorge got a bum deal in that fight and I’m not really a fan of either fighters.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and Jorge was trying to defend himself until the last flurry on the ground when Noons knee'd him
I didn’t have a problem with the reffing in that fight.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no way that fight was a split D
they split the first 2 rounds and Noons owned the 3rd.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz is bigger now
I think that will play a big role. Last time he was 20lbs underweight.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Make up your mind
First you criticize Strikeforce for not pulling it off despite both fighters being in a different franchise. Then you say this:
Today Strikeforce confirmed with MMA Weekly that instead of taking on Miller, Diaz will once again fight the bland Noons
Which one is it? The fight being good or bad?
This is a potentially great fight. Noons looked awesome in his last outing and was the first guy to stop Gurgel. He has more recent visibility and potential for a better fight than Mayhem. Contrast the two fighting styles and this could be epic. Mayhem will always be there to fight the winner. KJ’s popularity should be capitalized on now.
In the midst of the controversy it was a hot fight. Years later, after Noons pulled a disappearing act? Less so.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 25, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Noons is that bland.
At least now that he’s a notorious asshole for taking late and illegal shots.
Diaz is not the ‘bad boy’ in this matchup.
http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com
by some schmuck in texas on Aug 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
KJ’s face pisses me off. I’m not sure why, but I literally don’t like his face. It’s too smooth or something. It needs more angles.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
by crazybones on Aug 25, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
9/10 people say the exact the same thing.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What
the
fuck
…
hahahahaha. I am laughing out loud at the “smooth or something”. Awesome.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
People are now talking about how his hair pisses them off. His face, I get. But I like his hair. I guess it’s a girl-thing.
That is some sweet hair....
Volume, length, body, shine. The man has it all.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh comeon.
He even did an interview with Ariel Helwani and they spoke about his hair for a good minute. I’m not the only one that’s noticed it!
Make no mistake:
I do not dispute the sweetness of his hair. I was with a stylist for a while, I notice those things now. Sometimes it comes off kind gay. I’ll say something like “cute hair” to girl, then realize how gay I sounded.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD
Look at that perfectly placed tendril going down his forehead. You know he spent hours gluing his fucking hair in place with some type of cement-gel. How the hell does your hair stay like that while you’re throwing a punch?
God the only way I’d want a Diaz KO more badly is if I was from Stockton.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
by crazybones on Aug 25, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
KJ Noons on how he maintains his look:
“After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.”
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
by Anthony Pace on Aug 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
There is an idea of a KJ Noons; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable… I simply am not there.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
What a pretty picture...
I’m definitely in the minority here, but I can’t stand Diaz. I’d like to see a repeat from their first fight, but it’ll be interesting since DIaz, in my opinion, is much better at 170. But go KJ!
Ick stupid buttons fail.
His mouth pisses me off. It reminds me of this kid i went to high school with who had horrible teeth and a massive over bite. I think Noons has the same overbite
"To resist is to piss in the wind......"
Mayhem vs Kennedy
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
This here
A competitive, entertaining fight that makes sense within the rankings. Never gonna happen.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Already happened twice, and neither were all that exciting. I think that’s why they’ve held off on Kennedy/Mayhem 3.
http://www.instrength.com
Good point
totally forgot they fought twice already. Maybe the third times a charm
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Kennedy needs a solid bounce back into comp and this helps.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Kennedy is too much for him now.
So yeah, I’d like to see it too.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This match has no long term reward
What happens if Noons wins? Diaz get’s beat by a LW and drops in rankings? Should have booked Melendez/Noons and Diaz/Mayhem.
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The only reward is for hardcore fans and the fighters
but for Strikeforce and casuals it sucks.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The pimp themselves out
then end up taking the blame when shit goes wrong. Fighters must love them.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Just seems like too much downside
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect fight for me #1 contender match
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That stinks too
If Josh wins (he would) we get Gil/Josh 3. Not that it’s a bad fight, but FFS we’ve seen it twice pretty recently. Noons would be a fresh face. It’s always good to have a fresh, credible, face for the champion.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, he made a lot of sense as the next fight for melendez...im a bit confused as a fan of both noons and miller...
I think noons should stay at LW while Mayhem fights Diaz at a catchweight…oh well
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
ah missed that, well thompson works too since healy had wanted noons, so why not make that fight number 1 contender
I guess maybe a Diaz wins hypes diaz for the mayhem fight
I just dont get what this does for KJ
I feel like if he wins, he will try to win a boxing title and take a year off MMA since thats 3 fights in a span of 4 months
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Missed Connections
This article just made me feel dirty, like I was perusing Craigslist.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
At least someone got the headline. I will sleep easy.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense to VegasBatman, but I don’t think it was super hard to figure out.
http://www.instrength.com
I still don't get it.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
/tears up
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by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So this is a hooker joke?
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
After a casual encounter?
On a side note:
I actually posted an ad once just to see what would happen. I actually had really hot girl(like from a rap video) message me and send some pictures. I couldn’t believe it was real, but she was. We met at Buffalo Wild Wings the next day, had a couple drinks. I went back to her place, but I had second thoughts when we got there. She told me some story and how she went to NY to marry a guy for $20,000. That and she was lingerie model that belonged to some swinger club.
I also got a lot funny offers from dudes and desperate skanks. One woman was like “I got a hotel room, can we fuck tonight?” Needless to say, I was scared as hell.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
went back to her place, but I had second thoughts when we got there. She told me some story and how she went to NY to marry a guy for $20,000. That and she was lingerie model that belonged to some swinger club.
I’d still be game unless I saw bumps in the southern region.
She waxed.
That was a first for me.
Trust me, I was tempted. It was just weird. We literally met the day before on CL and now I was at her place. Just got the heeby jeebies, I guees.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
at least it wasn't at your place.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I never bring girls home.
My fiancee wouldn’t like it much.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a whole knew shit storm.
I was just saying at least you don’t have another crazy chick that knows where you live. (everybody has at least one)
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I have a couple. I seriously need to move. Just to be sure I never see them again. Never bang a girl and her cousin, it will turn against you. They don’t speak to each other, and I don’t speak to either.
Funniest shit ever: One was giving me head, then asked “do you fuck Sasha(her cousin) raw? Cause your dick smells like pussy.” I said “not recently” and she went back to work.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still laughing at this part
I actually had really hot girl(like from a rap video)
“Baby you’re so hot you could be in a rap video.”
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
You need to work on that showering thing you might have heard about it. Is it not creepy that she tasted clam and thought of her cousin?
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't believe she kept doing it.
She would always say how she felt bad about me having a two GF’s(my real girl and her cousin), but still sucked me off all the time.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
about the shower:
I would spend the night with her cousin then shower when I got home. She caught me between.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You do know it’s a matter of time until one of those Burnside broads go Fatal Instinct on your ass praying mantis style.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
These are Beaverton hoes were talkin here.
But yes, I made it through the fire, penis intact. Crazy bitches.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Never promise crazy a baby
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Promise that bitch a mouth baby.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In the words of Dice Clay “Honey it looks like your teeth are melting Oh!”
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed Connections: Strikeforce Blows the Potentially Epic Jason Miller-Nick Diaz Match
Missed Connections: Strikeforce Blows the Potentially Epic Jason Miller-Nick Diaz Match
There. Could have saved yourself a bunch of typing.
As much as it pains me
to say it but this is why SF is talking about bringing in Paul Heyman and they should. For the simple reason that they don’t squander obvious opportunities. I like the fighters in SF by there is absolutely zero direction to how to build up fights. The last fight they properly built was Cyborg/Carano. That was done well and the results were solid. They haven’t gotten close to building a fight like that since. They have had some great fights happen but most with zero build. This, along with their horrendous production value, is what is holding them back. And it is holding them back in a major way.
by memitim on Aug 25, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You know you should really email Scott Coker your insight could be vital.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just don’t mention my name (and you should probably leave BE out of it all together).
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Say Paul Heyman said it
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz/Mayhem potentially epic???
Since when is any fight involving Jason Miller epic? Diaz would whip that ass, what does Miller have to offer him in a fight?
So that's why Nick is ducking him...
Diaz would whip that ass
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem I have with it is that Mayhem is in no position to be dictating terms of the fight, why should Diaz move up in weight? He would have a better chance at pitching a Jacare rematch for the title but I have a feeling he wants nothing to do with Souza these days so yeah call out the smaller champion makes sense.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He called him out because he jumped him and then talked shit
Seems pretty basic. It’s not like he is asking for a title fight, either. Just fight him at a weight he was JUST fighting at.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
His last two were at 170 I thought? Mach and Zaromskis?
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
By “just” I didn’t mean to imply “last”. I meant very recently. In Strikeforce he has more fights above WW than at WW.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
6/6/09
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
3 fights back. 2 fights ago in SF. Recent.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Fight is scheduled for 10/09 16 months since he fought at a weight higher than 170
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not when you're 25
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe Noons/Diaz is actually a more exciting "fight"
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Good article, completely agree
They have a golden opportunity for a HUGE fight that sells itself, and they’re letting it pass. I can understand that some of us hardcore fans love to see the KJ rematch, but seriously, that one means nothing to more casual fans and lost it’s heat at least a year ago. While no doubt a good fight as well, it’s not going to do anywhere close to the numbers that the Mayhem fight could do with some marketing. This shouldn’t be a hard concept to understand, even if you’re not a Mayhem fan and don’t think it’s a good match-up or whatever. It’s the back story that sells this whole fight! To many more than just us on this here board. And a big fight that will garner attention and viewership is just what Strikeforce needs.
I would love to see this fight happen, it’s pissing me off that they’re letting it slide. Diaz fought twice last year at near MW, and now that this opportunity presents itself he’s suddenly exclusively WW? Don’t even start talking about that belt, it’s a worthless piece of junk and there are no credible contenders in that division. I like both guys but this ducking has Diaz losing some of his tough guy image. Agree to a catch-weight! Don’t be scared homie.
Hey Snowden
it’s pretty sweet that Mayhem is on Twitter using this article to explain what he’s been trying to say about this fight. Not bad at all, sir. Great stuff.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
CagesideSeats.com
Because he keeps ducking it?
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t he pretty much say so when he asked why Miller was picking on a smaller guy?
This is after attacking the guy in the cage.
his crew made up for the weight difference then
by DayGeaux on Aug 25, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
By the way, though Noons winning the WW title would be bad because nobody knows who the fuck he is, this should be a good fight. He embarrassed Diaz last time out.
how does no one know who he is? thats too bad...hes a really good stand up fighter with very adequate takedown defense...he can knock people out very quickly, and WILL cut you open
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Let a midget ride on Diaz's shoulders
then he could comfortably make MW
"To resist is to piss in the wind......"
Sup’s explanation:
Let me Explain Diaz vs Mayhem Situation: Strikeforce wanted to do Mayhem vs Diaz, can’t bulk up b/c Diaz is in middle of triathlon season. So, Strikeforce set up another heated rivalry betweeen Noons vs Diaz. SF still wants to host Mayhem vs Diaz early-mid 2010.
http://www.instrength.com
Good post
I remember Coker saying that a few days ago, totally forgot though.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
KJ's got serious TMJ issues
Probably has something to do with a life time getting hit in the face.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
his last two fights hes walked away with little to not cuts on his face, while his opponent walked out with HUGE gashes...hes also won said fights...
he will STEAMROLL Diaz.
cant wait to win money on this one
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I'm don't mean in competition
he’s been boxing his whole life. I’m sure he’s taken thousands of shots to the jaw. That’s what I meant about TMJ. Look at his jaw, it sticks out an inch on one side.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What the....
I do not buy that he wouldn’t skip a race or two to fight a guy.
Clown Shoes.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think Nick is setting himself up
for a future in triathlons or boxing.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think Nick is clueless
himself about what he wants to do.
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think there's 50% chance you 100% right.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Not like he’s going broke running triathlons he could be doing worse.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 25, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce is officially retarded.
I mean come on you could have JZ vs Melendez and miller vs diaz on the same card, add 2 more filler fights (preferably MW tourney bouts that include santiago, lawler and whoever the hell else they have under contract) and you’ve got a sellable event.
What is wrong with these guys?
this is still a good fight, its just not THE fight people want. Its still a good rematch
KJ has really stepped it up, he looked absolutely top notch with his combos against gurgel….
maybe they figure KJ is a wild card, and they will get the fight in now before he starts boxing, and then they will attempt mayhem/diaz after that
I just dont get the weight move for Noons. I thought Noons Melendez and Mayhem/Diaz should have been the fights planned
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
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