All Fedor Emelianenko Wants for Christmas Is Strikeforce Champ Alistair Overeem
by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT
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At least that's what his Facebook page says:
The page links an interview with Mixfight.ru that quotes Fedor as saying (translation is accurate according to M-1 Global's Evgeni Kogan):
"Сertainly, I would like to have a rematch with Werdum. But as he had surgery this fight unlikely to happen soon. This year, in November-December, I would like to meet in a cage with Alistair Overeem"
Kogan has tweeted this:
It is just 1 specific fighter. Best location is probably in the US, in December.
Of course the latest from Overeem is that he wants Fabricio Werdum. Werdum of course beat Fedor in 69 seconds a couple of months back. Werdum is naturally out with an elective surgery and for his part he wants Fedor.
This all reminds me of the climatic scene in Sergio Leon's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" in which Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef and Eli Wallach are locked in a three way staredown ready to pull their guns in a classic western quick draw but no one knows who to shoot first, except Clint who secretly unloaded Wallach's pistol.
Normally Fedor and his M-1 Global Management are the gunfighter holding that secret something, but in this case, I have no idea whose guns have bullets and who's going to be clicking empty chambers.
Fedor does have the possible escape hatch of a NYE Dynamite!! show against Josh Barnett or maybe that money Hong Man Choi rematch the fans have been hoping for. For his part, Overeem can fight in DREAM or K-1 if things don't workout with Strikeforce. As for Werdum, the BJJ seminar circuit is mighty lucrative for the guy who just tapped out Fedor.
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He would also like a knitted sweater for christmas
if its not too much trouble
by chunkyass on Aug 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Some ice cream cones.
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Don’t forget Vadim saying that they want to fight Werdum and that they will set up an “interim fight” for Fedor in Russia or Japan.
Round and round the wheel goes
Where it stops, nobody knows.
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In all seriousness though
If I’m Coker, I’m on the phone booking this fight right now.
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Agreed...
How can you not, he burns his 3rd fight on the contract and possibly loses again.
No bargaining power.
Play Hard, Train Harder
Do you honestly think that M-1 will let him sign a contract with a championship clause?
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No, but...
At least he can go to M-1 and Fedor and point to this and say, “Look, this is the fight you want, when you want it. You said so yourself, sign the contract.” And if they don’t then it’s %100 on them.
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Fedor has facebook?
I’m somewhat disappointed, for some reason…
by Horselover Fat on Aug 25, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
With only
2, 100 friends at this point.
Casual fans don’t seem to be clamoring for his attention.
Play Hard, Train Harder
What are you talking about?
He has 153,000 people following him on FB. Brock has 80,000. All those casual fans. Right….
The like button on his page has been clicked 153,000 times, yippy….John Cena has over 1 million, American idol has over 3 million and Justin Bieber has over 10 million. If you think that means anything then the break down is that Fedor is 1.5% as popular as teenage internet singing sensation Justin Bieber, lets throw a party.
Not the point
If he is such an unknown fighter than why does he have almost twice as many clicks than Brock?
Because Brock’s fans don’t waste time hanging out on facebook maybe?
Come on first of all it’s not that much nor is it that big a deal (it’s facebook for goodness sake, my 19 year old daughter has 2000 friends) and second of all it’s clicks on the “like button” not an actual head count of his fans(lord I hope he has more actual fans than 153,000 because that is pathetic). I mean it’s not as cool a measurement of how internet famous you are like youtube hits or twitter friends ….. Good grief I can’t even believe I am having this conversation. Are you honestly going to try to make any point of comparison at all between Brock and Fedor based on facebook clicks? If you are then Fedor is about as popular as WWE curtain jerker Matt Hardy on facebook, congratulations on the big win……
Who cares about his facebook at all? I mean seriously.
by who me on Aug 25, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still can't believe
that Fabricio Werdum beat Fedor. Of all the fighters that exist in this great sport Fabricio Werdum!! WTF.
It surprised us all, but why not Werdum?
For all the hype that the UFC puts on Mir and an aging Noguera, Werdum is easily the best HW BJJ artist out there. It’s not even close.
Given that Silva picked apart Arlovski – I expected AA to be KO’d, not get outboxed so thoroughly for 15 minutes – I have to look back at Werdum-Silva and be really impressed with Werdum’s ability to deal with striking. He’s really improved the rest of his game after the Cigano loss.
He only left the UFC because they cut his salary.
Once upon a time, Nogueira’s MMA jiu-jitsu might’ve been better than Werdum’s. But I agree, Werdum’s the best now.
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I was shocked too
because after watching Fedor, in a couple of fights with Nog, just blow past his guard I didn’t think Werdum would be as tough a challenge as Nog. But, those fights weren’t in a cage. It was harder for Fedor to throw his legs off his shoulders the way he did with Nog. I think he was just as shocked as we were that he was stuck in that triangle the second time it cinched in. But, Werdum is a world champ in BJJ. His technique in those few seconds was flawless and he used the cage perfectly. He’s as dangerous as any fighter in the HW division today.
Strikeforce: All title fights must involve a fighter coming off a loss.
:-/
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I don't give a shit if he's coming off a loss,
because this is the fight I’ve been wanting to see for some time now… Enough of “building up of these fights” I want to see the biggest fights possible NOW. Especially when dealing with Fedor, who’s 1. at the tail end of his career, and 2. has really shady management.
If strikeforce has a legit chance of putting this fight on, they should take it.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 25, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
The reason you can say that is that you're adjusted to the fact...
…that Strikeforce’s belts are meaningless.
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Seriously
Who cares about a Strikeforce belt. Strikeforce doesn’t, the fighters don’t, the fans don’t really. Its just a marketing ploy that gives them a chance to put on five round fights. Can we just stop talking about it.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 25, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We can stop talking about it when Strikeforce stops treating them like paperweights.
(Diaz vs. Gurgel for the strap!)
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Nobody cares about them
They are a non-issue.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently not to jemaleddin
That belt seems to be making him offended by the possibility of this fight coming to fruition to.
It’s a shame that something like this would rob him of enjoying what is, at least on paper, a fantastic fight.
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Offended?
No.
Just, no. Yeesh.
Jeez. You’re really going out of your way to misunderstand at this point.
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What is the point? That you don’t want to see Fedor/Overeem because of a worthless piece of metal? Or is there another point?
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Where, and at what point did I say that I didn't want to see this fight?
Seriously. Show me. I’ll wait.
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So there is no point. You’re just bitching. And you’re not even bitching creatively, you’re just rehashing a lame joke used a thousand times.
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by crazybones on Aug 25, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
by Neil Manich on Aug 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
No, there is a point.
But I like that you decided you knew what it was based on – by your own admission – absolutely zero evidence.
Thanks for that.
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If there is a point
Then make it or stop with the crying act.
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Who's crying?
I’d just like to get each of you to show me where I argued against the Fedor/Overeem fight. Since you’re all so sure I’m against it, it shouldn’t be hard.
Thanks!
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And still no point
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Still no apology for jumping my shit for no reason.
I know won’t hold my breath. :-)
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Apologize for what?
That you whine about everything without a point and I find it particularly distasteful?
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That you respond to every post with a complaint,
…even when it’s clear that you didn’t bother to read what I wrote. :-)
And that was a joke, son. Try and keep up.
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Thanks
For making my point for me :)
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And luckily for you,
he made it just as poorly as you would have!
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Well this place must be beneath you then
Because most seem to be in agreement with him. Oh were that we could all be so consistently negative and miserable as you.
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Negative?
Miserable? Where do you get this crap? Is this all some bizarre psychological thing for you? Seriously: are you even responding to the right comments? You don’t seem to have any idea what I’m saying, you respond to me as though you do, when called on it you complain that I didn’t say what I said – it’s damned bizarre.
Maybe you should just keep your comments to yourself if you don’t have anything nice to say about people. :-)
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It's perfectly clear
The folks below got it.
I certainly can’t explain what these guys think I’m saying since I’m not saying that.
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Right.
Nobody but me raises this point. Good call.
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As weird as it sounds, give everybody a belt. It’s not like a Strikeforce belt means anything, let’s just get us some 5 round fights!
Annnd now, IT’s TIME! The Strikeforce HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION #4 vs. the Strikeforce HEAVYWEIGHT CHAPION #3! inserts Buffer 180 FIGHTING out of Champion corner 1…
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See, that's some thinking right there!
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Get a clue
We hate this argument because it gets in the way of good fights.
When you’re in a tight spot, what choice do you have? The UFC put Maia against Silva because Belfort was injured. Sorry to bust your bubble, but getting destroyed by Marquardt and beating Dan Miller to get a title shot is far more lame than losing to the best HW in history and getting a title shot. Still, I don’t blame the UFC because they had no choice when Vitor was injured, and I don’t blame Strikeforce because Rogers was promised a title shot for a long time but Overeem refused to fight and M1 had a contract squabble.
We this argument not because we think you are the only one who said it, genius. We hate it because it gets in the way of the best matchup possible under the circumstances. Werdum is injured. Between Fedor and Silva, it’s a no brainer as to who’s more deserving.
Another reader with fantastic reading comprehension.
I’m not making an argument against this fight happening. At least, I don’t think I am. If I am, please show me where I am.
Thanks.
“We this argument not because”
Also, slow down and make sure you type all the words you need for each sentence next time. It helps get your point across.
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Yep the Strikeforce belts are meaningless and no one cares….well except for the fighters who have championship clauses in their Strikeforce contracts.
Exactly.
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you want to see the biggest fights possible NOW?
how is having the loser of the fedor vs wedrum match (fedor) fight the champ, one of the biggest fight possible? fedor isnt the same fedor he was some yrs ago. and he just lossed, but bc his name is fedor, fedor vs alstair is one of the biggest fights possible? no, no it isnt
If you don’t think Alistair Overeem vs Fedor Emelianenko is one of the biggest fights possible for Strikeforce to make right now, then you’re fucking up.
by nastyem on Aug 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how the hell is fedor vs alstair a big fight
name wise ya u will get casual fans but come on..it makes NO sense. fedor just lossed. so again SF will place a loser in the #2 spot to fight the champ. no sir, ur fucking up
At some point
Strikeforce is going to have to have their belts mean something. There is going to have to be decided shift that doesn’t get broken under any circumstance. Now, however, is not that time. They need to get back on CBS and Fedor v Overeem is the best way to do it.
I don’t think they should even have belts. It’s just going to create a ton of “alphabet belts” like in boxing. Strikeforce doesn’t really need belts, they’re not promoting the #1 fighters in the world.
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I think
…Gil Melendez, Fedor, and up till they cut Jake Shields would beg to differ. There are plenty of fighters in SF that could go in and beat many of the top UFC guys. SF needs to establish their belts. They have the fighters. The belts have to mean something. Just not right this second. Now, they need a big fight in CBS to close out the year.
by memitim on Aug 25, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor?
What does Fedor have to say about their belt situation?
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Not about the belt
…situation. About SF promoting the best fighters in the world. I think Fedor is among the best fighters in the world and SF is promoting him.
Oh, gotcha.
Good call.
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doesnt make sense
i understand u keep talking about the situation. about bringing in more viewers for one last show of the yr. not many fans know about fedor. most of the usa viewers do know however fedor just got sub. by a guy who was cut by the ufc. now if ur trying to bring in more viewers how is bringing a guy that no1 hardly knows in the usa going to bring viewers? u make no sense. most casual fans in the usa are looking at the belt which alstair has and they want to see the guy who won the #2 spot and fedor was just sub, to most casual fans this doesnt make sense. they wont tune in to see this fight.
I keep hearing that argument and I just don't buy it
…people know who Fedor is. 5.35mm people tuned in to his first fight in SF on CBS. That’s not a small number. People know who he is. And he delivered on the show. A fight against Overeem should easily do the same if not more. For CBS, that is a very good thing. For SF, it’s essential to their future.
Oh and
Werdum was not cut by the UFC. He was the #1 contender before he got caught by JDS, who might be the best HW in the UFC today, and afterwards Dana wanted him to take a pay cut. He chose not to and left.
That’s news to Fabricio Werdum apparently:
Despite his 50/50 performance, Werdum feels his departure from the UFC wasn’t handled with as much respect as it could have been. The now revived heavyweight contender said he felt used by the UFC. "They kind of used me and threw me out. That UFC business is complicated," Werdum said.
He continued, "It’s tough to swallow that they would terminate your contract after two nice wins just because you lost the last one, regardless of how it happened. Business is business, it seems, and there’s no soft spots involved. That’s how it works. If they don’t like it, you’re out."
Werdum continued, "Naturally there’s a little resentment, but since we must be professional with everyone, I can’t take it personally. If that’s the road you choose, you could get in trouble so it’s best to stay professional."
http://combatico.com/blog/2010/07/25/werdum-on-ufc-%E2%80%9Cthey-kind-of-used-me-and-threw-me-out%E2%80%9D/
Top-ten heavyweight Fabricio Werdum may have avoided release from the UFC earlier this month if he had agreed to taking a major pay cut.
“I had four more fights left with them on my contract, which ran to 2010,” Werdum told Tatame.com. “But they demanded to renegotiate my existing contract by cutting my pay in half.”
The UFC terminated Werdum’s promotional contract for losing on Oct. 25 at UFC 90: Silva vs. Cote to Junior Dos Santos.
“Nothing bad with Werdum,” White said on the Nov. 13 edition of “MMA Live” on ESPN.com. “He got knocked out by a guy that wasn’t ranked and that nobodies ever heard of. It was his first time in the UFC and Werdum got knocked out in the first round.”
http://www.mmafighting.com/2008/11/25/fabricio-werdum-turned-down-ufc-pay-cut-request/
Werdum refused to renegotiate so they terminated his contract, he didn’t chose to leave and he considers it getting cut from the UFC himself.
quote fail…. lets try that again:
Despite his 50/50 performance, Werdum feels his departure from the UFC wasn’t handled with as much respect as it could have been. The now revived heavyweight contender said he felt used by the UFC. “They kind of used me and threw me out. That UFC business is complicated,” Werdum said.
He continued, “It’s tough to swallow that they would terminate your contract after two nice wins just because you lost the last one, regardless of how it happened. Business is business, it seems, and there’s no soft spots involved. That’s how it works. If they don’t like it, you’re out.”
Werdum continued, “Naturally there’s a little resentment, but since we must be professional with everyone, I can’t take it personally. If that’s the road you choose, you could get in trouble so it’s best to stay professional.”
And it also clearly
states that he could have avoided it if he renegotiated his contract. He chose not to. He knew that would be the result. He chose to leave the UFC. He could have stayed under a renegotiated contract.
Yes spin it however you want but even he says that he was cut by the UFC. What more do you want beyond the words straight from his own mouth?
I’ve never liked this whole “you’re the champion so you’re the best” mindset. Every belt is a prop. It’s how you get it and how you defend it that matters. If the #1 and #2 guys in the world aren’t consistently fighting for the belt, of what value is a championship belt? You can easily figure out who’s the best fighter in Strikeforce without devaluating the term “champion.”
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Well, in the UFC, you could make an argument that each belt is held by the best in that division.
Especially after Saturday night. :-)
And if not “the best” certainly the best when factoring in stuff like strength of competition, activity, etc.
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There's gonna give James Toney the HW belt?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I might have meant BJ.
He’ll always be the lightweight champ of my heart!
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Hands down greatest LW of all time
Takanori Gomi is the only one who compares, and BJ beat him.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that Gil?
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got a ways to go to get on BJ's level.
You have beat a legend outside of your weight class. My rules :P
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a great match up
no doubt about it.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand
…. but the belt helps tell a story. And for better or worse, today’s US MMA scene is largely dominated by WWE fans who migrated over. They need a story to be told to them and a belt helps tell that story. Right now, Fedor v Overeem is enough of a story but in the future SF is going to need real belts.
I suppose. I just don’t want to see MMA end up like boxing, where the champion holds like four belts at once.
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is fedor
rebelling?
Facts don't come with points of view.
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In Vadim's M-1
you don’t rebel against your management company, your management rebel against you!
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by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Great analogy
And for sure one of the top 5 showdowns in film history.
I’ve been thinking all morning about what this statement mean, and while I have no clue what that is I’ve still managed to come up with an idea.
1) Fedor’s camp definitely wants a rematch with Werdum. That is the smart move. If Fedor wins, he’s a free agent holding a lot of cards again. Since a Werdum fight is not in the works we can assume that their was no automatic rematch clause and Strikeforce is not offering that fight.
2) Fedor has been rumored to be working on a long term contract with Strikeforce. If he was going to sign for extra fights I would imagine that they wouldn’t do the Overeem fight next. That they’d still want to build to it by giving Fedor a tune up fight to get back in the win column and give Overeem a CBS fight so that they could promote him in a big money fight with Fedor.
So what does all that mean? Fedor is taking the fight with Overeem because he plans on retiring. If he had plans to keep fighting then he would hold off on an Overeem fight because that’s the one he can use as leverage. But if he’s calling it quits there is no use in waiting around.
So I say he plans on fighting Overeem and if he loses that fight he calls it quits. If he wins he’ll sing a one fight deal with Strikeforce and rematch Werdum and then call it quits.
That is, unless Zuffa drives a truckload of money up to his door and give in to a bunch of his demands. In which case he may hold off retirement for one more fight.
by John Nash on Aug 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Great analogy
And for sure one of the top 5 showdowns in film history.
Agreed. Similar to the GSP/Hughes/Penn triangle.. Now in both cases the question is who’s the good, who’s the bad and who’s the ugly???
by BurtBacharach on Aug 25, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if Zuffa said something along those lines
A victory over Overeem would certainly put him back on the map.
UFC 116 was pretty damaging to the perception of the UFC’s heavyweights. Brock has zero striking defense and took a colossal beating in round one. Carwin has no stamina, and is now staying silent on steroid allegations.
If we see Brock dominated for a few rounds and escape with a TKO (like Kongo almost did to Velasquez three times in the same fight), and Fedor hammers Overeem (a big if, but possible nonetheless), of course people will want him back in the UFC.
So maybe Zuffa said to Fedor/M1, beat Overeem and we’ll talk again. I’m pretty sure they said the same thing to Belfort when Affliction was still around – don’t lose at 185/195 and we’ll sign you – which is why he ducked Mousasi but was willing to fight Fedor when Barnett failed.
by Mint on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
UFC HW’s took damage after UFC 116 what kind of bizarro logic is this?, Brock’s legend grew even bigger after taking damage that no other HW in the world could survive and chock out Carwin. Who’s rep also grew and the guy became a star that night, seriously what kind of jesus juice are Fedor fans drinking to come up with this stuff.
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 25, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I read every one of your comments because of the consistently high level of analysis and even-handedness. Just thought you should know.
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by Rundownloser on Aug 25, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty good speculating, only thing I think you’re missing is that the Overeem fight could very well happen in DREAM (NYE show maybe?). If that’s how it goes down, yeah they’re really screwing Strikeforce over, but then with Overeem money fight already gone of course they can just sit out until they get their precious Werdum rematch as his last fight on the current contract, and then ride off into the sunset.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That could be true, although I find it unlikely since Dream has never ran a show in November and I doubt they would do the NYE show in the White Cage. What would the K-1 fighters do?
This year, in November-December, I would like to meet in a cage with Alistair Overeem
Good point, didn’t think about the cage part. But considering how often they’ve both fought in the ring before, you’d think it would be ok.. anyway, if that fight were to happen in DREAM (big if), I’m thinking NYE is the most likely considering how they usually try to go all out with those shows. If not, I have a hard time seeing it go down in Japan, considering how poor FEG seems to be..
by Horselover Fat on Aug 25, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
those are logical conclusions to what appears to be an out fo the blue statement. I dont see much evidence for the retirement theory though. He always says that he wants to keep fighting as long as his god allows it and as long as he can be competitive. I’m sure it’s true that Fedor would like to test his skills against Allistair. There is a lot of mutual respect between the 2 fighters but Vadim and Co. will insist that the match will be far more marketable after he avenges his loss to Werdum.
Fedor seems to trust his mgmt 100% and there can be no doubt where they stand on this. As you point out a loss would be so devistating that retirement would be the probable next step. I just dont see how Vadim risks losing his cash cow at this point. I think Vadim can convince Fedor to just wait a year for the Allistair match up and this is just the beginning of the hype for that fight.
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by Hardy's in your face on Aug 25, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My analysis is based solely on deduction and working with the idea that Fedor does indeed sign to fight Overeem before the end of the year. if that doesn’t happen, then we can throw out what I wrote.
Got it.
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by Hardy's in your face on Aug 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
but
the fans want to see fedor vs werdum 2……
i think giving him overeem just makes the HW belt even more worthless
I don’t want to see it. All Fedor has to do to win against Werdum is not go to the ground. I want to see him fight AO, who will probably punch a hole through his skull. And if Fedor pulls some Fedor stuff, even better.
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by Kid Nate on Aug 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Is it just me or does Eli Wallach (Tucco) steal the movie?
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Sidekick syndrome
The protagonist is the straight badass, but the sidekick is quirky and more engaging. It happens in lots of movies.
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by BurtBacharach on Aug 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah true
But honestly the first seen he’s in where he’s getting a shave or a meal or whatever and those three guys come in to get him and blows them all away and jumps out the window with a turkey leg, a pistol, and a damn table cloth tucked into his shirt was awesome.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Tucco was the protagonist of that movie
His struggle for the gold is the story we follow. Not Blondie’s.
You could argue that he has a deeper story arc but protagonist is a stretch.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Arguments like this are what make this the best MMA site in the world.
People at Sherdog wouldn’t know what a story arc was if it were wearing an Affliction shirt.
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Not to belabor this tangent
But why is it a stretch? He has the majority of the screen time. His character is the one moving the story forward, with all of his schemes. Blondie is more reactionary, following along and moving according to Tuco’s moves. Just because he’s the badass of the movie, doesn’t make him the protagonist.
Tuco is one of the best characters in the history of movies
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by Monte Fisto on Aug 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for that. That was great.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all just a negotiating ploy, he doesn’t even say that he wants to fight Overeem, just that he’d like to meet him in a cage.
by ufc4 on Aug 25, 2010 11:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Shake his hand, and discuss his lord and savior with him. Fedor wants to see if he can’t talk him out of being a steroid bully.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if they could make this a special attraction fight?
Rather than a title fight? Oh well, either way this is definitely a match up I’d watch. Ubereem v Fedor, been waiting for that ever since Fedor signed up with Strikeforce.
This is pretty definitive
If Fedor backs out to do Dynamite against Hong Man, it’ll be hard to save face.
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by BurtBacharach on Aug 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is bloody confusing...
So now Fedor WANTS to fight Overeem next?!??
This whole situation is giving me a headache. I think I need a drink…
by devious1 on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Please please please please please
let this be true. Screw the stupid heavyweight title, it’s a fucking prop. Oh god please don’t let this be a joke.
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Oh and the best part
is all the exclamation marks. In all his life Fedor has never been excited enough to warrant three exclamation marks.
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by crazybones on Aug 25, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
M-1 has been so screwy that I can't just take this statement at face value.
Him saying he wants to fight Overeem now makes me think it won’t happen ever.
FEDOR vs. MIKE KYLE in December
Steroids?
So does M-1 think it will probably be in the US because they still have firm beliefs that Alistair juices and want to avoid that?
Cool,
I was on Twitter last night and asked Evgeni Kogan the question that spawned his “1 specific fighter” comment.
I didn’t know Fedor had also called out Overeem, so I thought Silva since Kogan said Dec in US and other places reported Fedor/Bigfoot in Dec.
I am glad I was wrong, because this is bad ass.
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this is why SF isnt there yet
brett rodgers gets KO’d and fedor didnt want to fight alstair so the loser (brett) had to step up and fight for the belt. Now the loser (fedor) gets the oppertunity to fight for the belt (maybe) SF needs to get their shit together. Fedor is pulling some prima donna BS.
The dichotomy here is so amusing
If Fedor fights Overeem, Strikeforce needs to get their shit together.
If Fedor fights anyone else, he’s ducking Overeem.
If Strikeforce makes it a non-title fight, like they did with Fedor-Rogers, we get even more bitching.
There's something wrong here
Wait a minute. Fedor wants a relevant fight? With an opponent that actually people want to see him fight? What’s going on here?
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
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I am so sick and tired of Fedor dodging Hong Man Choi.
by Clifford J on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LET THE MAN HAVE HIS REMATCH
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m-1 wants this fight to happen
bc they know fedor will be gone from mma soon. he wont be relevant, so their trying to get much out of him as possible
Seriously, somebody better fight somebody!
Overeem wants Werdum, Werdum wants Fedor, and now Fedor wants Overeem. Why don’t we just settle things with a three man daisy chain? haha. Fuck it. So long as one of those fights gets made, I’ll be happy. Preferrably the Fedor/Overeem one.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Apparently he also wants some of overeem’s blood for christmas.
Overeem-Fedor talk will be interesting. M-1 is asking for Olympic style drug testing. Overeem’s camp says no, athletic comm. testing enough.
Oh, so he doesn't ACTUALLY want the fight.
He wants to want the fight.
Now we’re back to the Fedor I know and love! :-)
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He sounds pretty serious
“This is an important match for me and something that I personally want to happen,” Emelianenko said, according to his main promoter, M-1 Global. “There have been conversations about putting this match-up together in the past and now is the time to begin making this bout possible.” M-1 talks a lot. Fedor doesn’t.When he starts talking like this I think it is pretty for real.
That's true
….but M-1 seems to be calling the shots, not Fedor. I’m sure he’d love to fight Overeem, but I’m sure he’d love to fight Brock and Cain and JDS too.
And any attempt to get Olympic-style blood tests done will obviously derail this fight. If that report from Josh is true, you can kiss this fight goodbye.
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He doesn't come out and say it though
…sure he wants those fights but he doesn’t come out and say it like this. He will always say, if asked, he would like to fight Brock. He doesn’t come out and say basically in a press release he wants a fight unless it is something that can happen. He stays quiet most of the time.
Too bad he works for M-1 and not the other way around!
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Ding!
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Let's make it happen
The bottom line is it’s a great fight. One of the best fighters of all time, someone who has only lost two matches, vs. a great heavyweight. Really, that’s what’s important. When you cut out the bullshit about the belts, the win streaks, the money, whether someone deserves it or not, all that is crap. Fedor’s submission loss notwithstanding, he’s the best or close to the best heavyweight in the world. Overeem is a top ten guy too. Make the fight happen.
Seriously, what’s the point with a Werdum rematch? We all think that Fedor would just keep it standing and tool him. Werdum was better on that day. Let’s move on. The “coming off a loss” factor is overrated. If that loss had come five fights ago no one would care about it. It doesn’t magically totally devalue Fedor just because it came a few months ago. It’s not like he was dominated, he just got caught.
Would a Fedor/Bigfoot fight be all right? Sure. Overeem/Werdum would be fine. Loads of good fights would be fine. But this is the best fight for both of these guys right now, given the injury to Werdum, even if it isn’t perfect.
So please, make it happen. Just fucking do it. Make it a non-title fight if you must. But really, who cares if Fedor wins the belt coming off a loss? If he does, make him defend it agains Werdum. WHO CARES. I don’t care what you do. Just make the fight I want to see, please.
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