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Dana White's UFC 118 Vlog: Episode 1


Dana White and Mike Tyson talk Randy Couture vs. James Toney at the 2:00 min mark and Tyson lightly hits some punching bags at the 5:53 min mark.

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this guy Dana White

Has the best god damn job. That’s it.

by drudog1715 on Aug 24, 2010 1:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

its great to see tyson in such good spirits.

by hewsdaddy on Aug 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s great to see Tyson in sweatpants and a t shirt…. oh wait, no it’s not. Why in the world is he wearing sweatpants? You go to hang out with the president of the UFC and you wear sweatpants? Come on!

Shut up, Tito.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 24, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you get to hang out with Mike Tyson

He gets to wear whatever the hell he wants.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Aug 24, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d for Tyson pimping around in green sweat pants

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

by WestbergIDFC on Aug 24, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Great to see

I really wish nothing but the best for Mike Tyson.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Anything Tyson is good.

I’m glad he noted that James Toney is not fluent in leg kicks.

by Brent Ducharme on Aug 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh...and GTFO with any idea that he is a top 10 heavyweight in the history of boxing

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He may be a rapist, a drug addict, a stickup kid, a bad guy.............

But in his prime he would have WORKED Ali, Forman, Fraizer, and Louis.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure if I should laugh or cry.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Both dude both

we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea

by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know it's true

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

…okay, if you say so.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is that?

Because it’s a statement that I can’t agree with at all and described the reasons why at length in the post?

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anytime anyone has an unpopular opinion

you get called a troll and compared to Snowden. Lately at least.

Which sucks, cause I actually like Snowden and agree with him a lot.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like and agree with Snowden? You’re the worst kind of Troll! the Snowden Nut-Hugging troll!
/sarcasm

 (shouldn’t be necessary, but I’m going to err on the side of caution)

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by Kneeeeee on Aug 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha man calm down I actually agree with your view point, it’s almost like the double standard that we have with Charles Barkley.

by TyTy on Aug 25, 2010 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

With that mentality

Lennox Lewis would have worked all of them to right?

Considering he did work Tyson

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on Aug 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea in the twilight of Tysons career . Lewis ducked .....

….. Tyson for forever or at least until he saw he had the advantage .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 24, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

BwaHAHAHAHA

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by Chris Barton on Aug 24, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

After Cus D'amato died Tyson had no one looking out for him.

He had no parents.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was 19 at the time

You really don’t need parents or anyone else looking out for you at that point. He’s just lazy.

by Hedonismbot on Aug 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No adult would ever say somehting like that.

We ALL need our parents. Especially a 19 year old millionaire with serious mental health issues.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you knew anything about Tyson’s life, you’d slap yourself for saying that.

"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn

by crazybones on Aug 24, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

you said it better than I did.

so you get a rec :)

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm 25, relatively stable, with a good upbringing and a decent job

and I’d be screwed if I didn’t have my parents or “anyone else” looking out for me. I can’t tell if you’re attempting to be so sarcastic it becomes deadpan or if somebody could consciously post something so doltish.

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by Rudinho479 on Aug 25, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I came late but

GTFO with that nonsense. Fraizer and Louis would have WRECKED him.

"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse

by Chris Barton on Aug 24, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

you lost me when you wouldn’t even credit him top 10…..he was a filthy fuckin human being…but….the dude was one bad mother fucker.

by Killuminati on Aug 24, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see that I did list who I would have above him...

it’s not like I’m saying it out of spite. I have a legitimate list of people I’d put above him.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the same time you're saying GTFO about him being a top 10 of all time...

Can you at the same time agree that boxing likely wouldn’t have existed long enough to even be circling the drain at this point if it wasn’t for Iron Mike?

I don’t think Tyson was a rapist, I don’t think Tyson is one of the best of all time, but he was the face of boxing and made boxing extremely relevant for pretty much his entire career. The only fighter to come close to his recognition was Evander, and that’s a distant second. Tyson’s “reign” basically bridged them gap from the mid 80’s into the De La Hoya/Maywhether era of the mid 90’s.

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by Jacob Hayes on Aug 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boxing isn’t dead, it isn’t dying, there were plenty of other stars in the sport at that time. You’re assuming that there wouldn’t have been media put on other guys if Tyson didn’t exist.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can just as easily look at the time while Tyson was in prison...

Was boxing bigger or smaller while Tyson was in prison?

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by Jacob Hayes on Aug 24, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not the same thing as him never being there. When something is there and then gone people can miss that thing and lose interest.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true...

However, its a double edged sword. Would The Real Deal have even got the fan following he had without the eyes that were brought to the sport with Tyson’s dominance of the marquee division? I just don’t see anyone that would have been the face of a sport like Tyson was. Tyson sold boxing much like how MMA is sold in large part today, he was the baddest man on the planet and all that jazz. He was this terrible fearsome force that can’t be stopped. It’s not really that different than how Lesnar is sold today.

Then and now, there would be a heavyweight division with or without a Tyson or a Lesnar, but there is something to be said about that pure visceral quality that a dominate fearsome heavyweight champion brings to the table with both the casuals and the media.

In the fight game, either your style has to be a draw, your personality has to be a draw, or you have to a really good matchmaker/promoter to take advantage of specifics of match ups to create a draw out of nothing. Tyson had both the style and the personality to be a massive draw, and I don’t think anyone else was going to come close to his status whether or not he had existed or not.

Evander as I said is probably the next closest thing. Roy Jones Jr could have been the “next Tyson” if he had more of a killer instinct, but that’s basically the problem boxing faces now. They don’t have bandwidth. UFC can basically pick any fighter they want to build up, and build him up. They can take fighters with styles that are incredibly boring to casuals like Fitch, and if they really want to build him up either with a hype show or an Ultimate Fighter and make him a star, even if it might only be a brief one.

Tyson had that bandwidth, and for the years after Tyson the rest of boxing had access to that bandwidth in large part because of the vacuum Tyson being in jail caused. The only guy that I’d say grew the sport as much as Tyson did then in my lifetime would be De La Hoya as his name was practically synonymous with boxing for almost two decades.

As far as Boxing and it’s not dying goes, whenever I have an easier time finding MLS or WNBA on TV than I do Boxing then it does not bode well for Boxing as a sport in the public consciousness. The generational gap is only going to grow as more old school boxing fans die off and they aren’t replaced by people excited about the sport. The only thing Boxing has going for it at the moment IMO is the fact that boxing is such a huge component of modern MMA, at least in relation to what they talk about. It’s the most readily identifiable and relateable aspect of MMA as a casual fan may not know what a omaplata is, or understand the intricacies of a proper single leg take down, but they damn sure know a overhand right, or uppercut when they see one.

If Boxing doesn’t step it’s game up it’s going to end up much like all the other components of MMA and that’s as basically competition based international events that get very little coverage in the states, and a bit larger following in certain countries, not unlike K-1 or even the different grappling arts.

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by Jacob Hayes on Aug 24, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boxing is on ESPN every friday night and almost every weekend on HBO, Showtime or PPV. It’s not really THAT hard to find.

But whatever, I’m not going to have a health of boxing debate.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Super Six has been pretty fun to watch.

Andre Ward, FTW!!!

The man fought(was robbed) in the Olympics with his shoes untied.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being a former boxer it pains me to say this ......

…… but boxing is in the process of dying . The only two big name guys are Mayweather and Pac . There are no more real draws anymore .

Speaking from my point of view ( a boxer turned MMA’er ) boxing is no longer relevant one its own . However it is still a great base to obtain for any fighter .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 24, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boxing really isn't dying

And it isn’t going to die.

I don’t care for boxing versus MMA arguments at all, but it may be worth remembering that boxing still does better in terms of PPV numbers, and that MMA is lightyears away from matching the all time record.

I don’t say this to belittle MMA, but rather to put your statement about boxing having no real draws into perspective.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Aug 24, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea your right ...

… in terms of PPV dollars MMA ain’t got shit for boxing , yet . But in terms of names MMA is has more solid name fighters that folks know . Boxing has few folks that are big names right now . Thats what I meant by draws .

" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson

by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 24, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only for the top two fighters though

The UFC has set a baseline of at least 500k buys per pay-per-view show on brand recognition alone, regardless of the headliner. Outside of Mayweather or Pacquiao, is there another fighter who would draw nearly this many buys? I’d say no.

Boxing will never fully “die,” and there will always be a major draw or two, but as mma becomes more popular, fewer and fewer of the top young athletes will choose to compete in boxing and, frankly, people will begin to care less.

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by Rudinho479 on Aug 25, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh…and GTFO with any idea that he is a top 10 heavyweight in the history of boxing

This right here, is a man who is smarter than the average bear when it comes to boxing.

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Aug 24, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for saying what I came in to say.

Mike Tyson gave us some awesome KOs. He spouted off some insane and entertaining quotes. He seemed funny and personable in The Hangover. He took great care of pigeons apparently. But this is not a good human being. He’s an admitted, convicted rapist. This wasn’t him getting the raw end of a messed up justice system. He fucking raped a woman.

I’ll take the fighter bashing warning if I must. I have no tolerance for rapists.

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by pdl on Aug 24, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He admitted to raping her?

by Papercut Elbow on Aug 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did he actually admit to being a rapist? I haven’t heard that anywhere. I’ve always had this weird sympathy for Tyson.

"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn

by crazybones on Aug 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a couple things to the rapist thing. 1) the trial he got convicted for was bullshit. As much as I despise Mike Tyson as a person, he got a little fucked over in that trial. 2) in his documentary he states that he “didn’t take advantage of that woman. I have taken advantage of other women, but not her” (not a direct quote but it’s along those lines).

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little fucked over?

His attorney was terrible (a tax attorney of Don King’s) it was complete bullshit.

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well… that’s a downer. Still, it’s hard for me to feel anything but sorry for him. His entire life has been so awful it’d be a comedy if it wasn’t real.

"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn

by crazybones on Aug 24, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno if he meant rape. If that were the case why didnt they all come forward?

by Papercut Elbow on Aug 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I have done no such thing as take away that woman’s chastity."

I understood it to be he didnt have sex with her at all. Though hes used other chicks like they were for his personal enjoyment (not rape)

by Papercut Elbow on Aug 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he wouldve gotten less time had he actually admitted it. I remember that being part of the story. I dont know if he would admit it after the fact. Or has he?

by Papercut Elbow on Aug 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolute bullshit!

Maybe that was to generate comments, but the guy had the heart of a lion! He ripped his toe nail off early on against Tony Tucker and braved out a decision win, and Buster Douglas had to nearly kill him to get the win, and he was still trying to get up while only just about conscious. Big fan of Mike Tyson, but asking his opinion on MMA is like asking your mom, it’s obvious he doesn’t follow the sport.

by sheikybaby on Aug 24, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly didn’t even watch the part of the video where he gave any opinion of MMA before saying what I said. I just saw comments here and other places with people adoring him.

I enjoyed his early fights as much as anyone. But he’s not a man of tremendous heart in the ring. “ripped off toenail” or not.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude he fought for the HW belt with a severe case of syphilis.

He was too embarased to tell anyone so he just sucked it up and Knocked the dude out…..WITH BURNING PENIS SYPHILIS!!! HEART……………..OF………………A…………………..LION

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait… the doctor’s let him go out there and fight with syphilis? For real? Maybe that’s how he got a little crazy….

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He never told anyone prior to the fight.

He was too ashamed to tell some doc that he was messing around with a hooker.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Al Capone

we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea

by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, like too embarrassed to admit to raping hookers, too….

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raping hookers?

Whats the point?

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Keren means

If he lied about having the drip maybe he lied about not raping that girl

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok?

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not agreeing just saying that I think that’s what she meant.

we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea

by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Yes.

Brent just linked a video above with Tyson saying he might’ve taken things too far. Uch.

It’s hard to separate the boxer from the man. He was a great boxer but he’s an awful human being.

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Questionable trials and speculation aside, he actually bit a guys ear off on television while boxing.

by Rufford on Aug 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgivable

What does Holyfield need ears for anyway? You can hear just fine without them.

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by crazybones on Aug 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right here I am stuck in the middle with you…

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Dylan

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr Blonde

we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea

by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Hold still you fuck"

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you hear me now?

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

best line in the movie

then he wipes his bloody hand on the Cops uni.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Tarantino goes with some of the ideas he’s been floating out there. Seems obsessed with prequels lately, Vic and Vince Vega, Gecko bros, Kill Bill prequel, and even talked about writing a True Romance prequel.

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said the Vega brothers thing can’t happen now, he waited too long and they got old as dirt.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

For all my fellow QT fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4byt-DtsI

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by rkilla on Aug 24, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think he has a heart of a lion? Look up George Chuvalo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Chuvalo

Wins 73
Wins by KO 64
Losses 18
Draws 2

NEVER been knocked down in a fight… EVER.
Ali said after fighting him, “He’s the toughest guy I ever fought”. Ali won that fight, but spent a lot of time in the hospital after, while Chuvalo was out dancing with his wife.

This guy went on after fighting to losing 3 sons, two to drugs, one to suicide, wife killed herself because she couldn’t deal with her sons dieing.

And now, he goes around to schools to tell his story to kids. he came to my high school about ten years ago and you want to talk about a heart of a lion, this guy has it. Tyson ain’t got shit.

Just thought i’d mention that as this guy really left a mark on me when i heard him speak and shows you what a warrior is like in the ring and in real life.

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on Aug 24, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah but...

Each sport gets a little rapey at times, see (Big Ben, Kobe Bryant, and the duke lacrosse team). It doesn’t mean I still can’t like the guys though does it? I’m pretty sure Tyson grew up in a tougher environment then the above gents either, no excuse however.

You can’t get preachy on just some issues, I deplore Carwin’s excuses, steroid abuse (alleged), and his holier than thou attitude. What about Ray “Murder” Lewis or Dante “DUI 187” Stallworth? I don’t draw a clean line at anything, you cannot however just omit other offenses to make a point on an individual.

by Barrelroll on Aug 24, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kobe never raped that girl

she later admited that she was after money and lied about the rape……she wanted Kobes’ wee wee.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?????????????

Cmon dude, you cant be serious?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

look it up

it’s true.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link please

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's called google

I don’t have time to look shit up for you bro :P

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

its hard to argue with that. She had three guys’ semen in her.

Hope Kobe went to the clinic.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes sir.

You are wise Farnsworth

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally

She must have had it coming?

Really dude? That is a really piece of shit stance to take

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no symapthy for women who cry rape, but never actually got raped.

It hurts the women (and men) who were actually raped.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on that

However I don’t have much sympathy for dudes that rape girls either.

No way in Hell did Kobe’s accuser say it wasn’t true. No way Kobe would have paid if it didn’t have a lot of truth to it. Read Kobe’s police interview on the smoking gun. He was trying to bribe the cops right there on the spot to look the other way.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The interview is the exact opposite of a smoking gun

He was in shock the whole time. He even describes exactly what they did even the most embarrassing details. Not only that, she came back and asked for an autograph the next day. The police even seem to feel bad about because they knew what was going on. I could go on. The victim was at a party a few days later making fun of how small Kobe’s dick was. She didn’t even report it until her friends told her she should. Her own mother testified against her in court. She also was on anti-psychotic meds at the time.

The thing about finding three guys’ semen inside of her:

If she had unprotected sex with at least two other people that day, what makes you think she wouldn’t have sex willingly with a handsome 6’ 5" millionaire who happens to be the best basketball player alive(at the time).

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You really need to re-read that police report. Because what you are saying is false as hell

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/kobe-bryant-police-interview

And weather she slept with someone else is of no issue. Being a little slutty doesn’t make you free game from rape. This isn’t Spartan times bro.

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by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna argue

but you clearly misread what I wrote.

Its obvious you have your fixed opinion and will interpret things to fit that. I don’t think its intentional, but its obvious.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fixed opinion. I'm just not pro rape

Obviously you must feel differently.

Free country I suppose

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by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not guilty.

You must not be pro justice.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He bought his way out of it

So I suppose justice was served

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by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

your wrong

I win

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not pro rape either, that girl's story was full of holes

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 24, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did I know that you would chime in on this?

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you honestly call him "Pro Rape"

get over yourself dude Jesus…

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness:

I have been to known to further the rape agenda. I’ve even been an advocate for rape. I’m not proud but, in 2005 I encouraged a fat girl to suck my friend’s dick while he was asleep.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU RAPIST SYMPATHIZING MOTHER FUCKER!!!

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kobes' STILL the best BBall player out there.

“Prince” James needs a ring or two before I call him “King”.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kobe is the best ever(besides MJ)

He’s been in 7 finals, won 5 of them, and just turned 32 yesterday(one day after my b day, coincidence?)

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you judge by rings, Bill Russell was the best. If you judge by all-around talent + production/stats? Right now it’s likely to be Lebron. If you combine the two, you could say MJ or Kobe.

But in a team sport the, GOAT would more likely be the 72 win Bulls and not ONE player who had the perfect team around him with another top 50 all time player, or Kobe who either had Shaq or 2 of the most skilled 7 footers in basketball today + Bynum.

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by Kneeeeee on Aug 24, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Russell is in his own category.

The man is a true living legend. He had to put up with hatred and bigotry everywhere he went, even at home. To win 9 titles, one as the head coach and starting center, that’s just incredible.

The 96’ Bulls were a perfect storm. The best scorer, defender, rebounder, and shooter in the league all on the same team. With the best coach in professional sports history leading them.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 25, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Russell was waaaaaaaaay ahead of his time.

He changed the sport forever.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 25, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

My fav BBaller of all time...

Lenny Wilkens

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 25, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

People can have strong feelings on specific individuals based on their knowledge of the situation.

I have pretty strong feelings on Tyson, on Rubin Carter (another guy who gets sympathy based on complete BS) on drunk drivers. Ray Lewis seems like a pile of crap based on what I’ve heard about the murder thing but I don’t know much of that backstory so I don’t get too fired up about it because I haven’t ever done much research.

The duke lacross team was cleared of obvious BS charges. The Bryant case is a bit of a different situation as mentioned below. “Big Ben” should go to fucking prison but instead he’ll make millions.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Big Ben" should go to fucking prison

I agree 100%. Don’t worry theres always Karma. Jonny Cochran got a fucking brain tumor

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there's real karma

Big Ben is gonna get Huerta’d.

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by pdl on Aug 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

with a bathroom sink?

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was with you, until you threw in the brain tumor comment.

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by Kneeeeee on Aug 24, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if you think

cornering a woman in a bathroom then strong arming here into a blow job is wrong.

On a side note: I have some friends from McKee’s Rocks in Pittsburgh who told me a couple years ago that Rothlesberger was a punk ass dickhead who had to run out the club to avoid getting shot for fucking with girls, a few times.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What he did in the past was wrong. He is a pretty honest man and til this day he still says he did not rape that girl. I’m sorry but I believe him. All that matters is that right now he’s trying to change.

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by fr8nk the tank on Aug 24, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why can't he change?

Did you see Tyson? I think Tyson has changed a lot and understands that what he did was wrong, and that he was a bad person then. He regrets a lot of things. I think he was a very angry person then. Why do you still hate him? Also sorry for rambling I am intensely blazed.

by RedSkull on Aug 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dude, he quoted Oscar Wilde. That’s the only part of his documentary I remember. For that alone I will always like him.

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by crazybones on Aug 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t hate him. I just don’t feel that anyone should really wish a guy well who has done the kind of things he has done in the past.

And I absolutely loathe the fact that people think he’s top 10 in the history of the sport at heavyweight.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s hard to do this, but you need to separate the man and the boxer — he may have done monstrous things, but he is definitely one of the top ten heavyweight boxers of all time.

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yus

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

as someone who was writing about boxing well before he was writing about MMA this whole thing isn’t anything new to me…so here are the guys I would put above him based ONLY on what happened in their boxing careers (skills, fights that happened…etc)

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Floyd Patterson
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Larry Holmes
Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Riddick Bowe
Primo Carnera
Joe Walcott
Evander Holyfield was a better heavyweight before stretching his career far too long

I’d make an argument for Max Schmeling as well but shit we’re way past top 10 now.

Harry Wills and Sam Langford may deserve to be above him also but the color line stood a little too strong there for me to for sure say where I would put them historically (boxrec’s formula has them #3 and 6 all time)

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

and to be clear...

Primo and Jersey Joe are the only two on that list I’d ever give a second thought to in the “are they above tyson” debate.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh shit...

and Ken Norton,and Henry Cooper for sure with a maybe for Jack Dempsey

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not going to pretend that I’m a boxing expert, but some of the guys you listed I just don’t see as better than Tyson. Jersey Joe, Bowe, Carnera — comeon.

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've got to adjust for era for starters...

but beyond that. you’re aware that Riddick Bowe was 43-1 with 33 KO’s right?

Went 2-1 against a prime Holyfield and only actually lost that fight on 2 of the 3 scorecards. He was winning one of those rounds in the second fight away from being a guy who retired undefeated.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know. I also know about his horrific upbringing and even his flirtations with mma.

I just… something’s holding me back from putting him up there.

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 fights after the second Bowe win is when Holyfield beat the crap out of Tyson the first time...

that was post-prison but still…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the likely reason that most people overlook him...

is because Golota made everyone remember Bowe as a guy who got punched in the nuts a lot.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fare Bowe would have lost that fight to Golota had he not punched him in the nuts so many times. thats what iremember but i have not watched those fights since they happened.

by J smooth 420 on Aug 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a question Brent. Didn’t Tyson beat the champ of all 3 major boxing organizations to unify the belts? Does that count for anything?

In the end, all your friends and family let you down and you die in your own arms, so who cares?

by pharmboy on Aug 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure...

it counts for something, it counts for him being somewhere around the 20th best heavyweight ever.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

but...

are you (pharmboy) going to make the same case for Wladimir Klitschko? He held the WBO, IBF, IBO and Ring Magazine titles in 2009 and had the WBA title been on the line as it should have against Chagaev he’d have had that as well.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t really debate who were the best 10 heavyweight fighters of all time since I haven’t followed or researched the sport as others have. But he probably was the biggest heavyweight PPV draw of all time and likely the most famous heavyweight boxer of all time not named Ali. (no evidence to support that statement)

In the end, all your friends and family let you down and you die in your own arms, so who cares?

by pharmboy on Aug 24, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Belts count for nothing

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by Drunken cutman on Aug 24, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and

Thank you for adding Rocky Marciano — I get into arguments with people about him. I don’t understand how some people don’t view him as a top ten.

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's great!

Besides getting a good laugh, that video reminded me of a few things:

1. Eddie Murphy’s movies from the 80’s — they all crack me up; and
2. People should never do Jew-face.

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rocky Marciano

wasn’t a HW

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey mister know it all

This is from a boxing blog my dad likes:
 As far as weight goes, Marciano fought his best between 185 and 187. However, what most fans don’t know is that Marciano’s weight was low because he wanted it to be. He could have easily fought at the same weight as Frazier. Before Marciano started fighting, he weighed between 210 to 215 while playing baseball. I don’t really think Frazier had a size advantage other than an inch in height, and a longer reach. Frazier had a 73 inch reach compared to Marciano’s 67. In a Marciano-Frazier fight, I doubt reach would have been a factor. If there ever was a pick-em fight, it’s Marciano vs. Frazier!

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just saying…you can’t say he “wasn’t a heavyweight” when he was heavyweight champion of the world. The guy competed and went undefeated as a heavyweight…it’s not really an arguable point.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saku isn't a 185er....he just fights at that weight

that’s my point.
Marciano would get decimated by Tyson and you know it.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to play a game where you don’t adjust for era specific factors! Sure!

And Babe Ruth would be a AA baseball player in today’s game.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well then you’re not having a discussion about the best of all time. You’re having a discussion about a completely unfair (and honestly kind of dumb) idea of who would beat who with no respect given to era adjustment.

But if you’re going to play around with reach and height numbers I guess we could just say that Klitschko has like a 10 inch reach advantage on Tyson and is 7 inches taller so I guess that means he wins!

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

not if tyson gets on the inside.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I say again

Tyson beats Ali

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t buy that for a second even with your refusal to talk about sports in a historic context.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adjusting for Era

Just curious what factors, specifically, you’d be adjusting for?

by skeebop on Aug 24, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mostly size

Due to the vast improvements in nutrition over the last centruy, but some other stuff too.

Imagine Marciano vs Klitschko, and you’ll see where he’s coming from.

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by Drunken cutman on Aug 24, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

For my money, Tyson is not one of boxings top-10 heavyweights, but… Floyd Patterson??? C’mon, the guy may be a little under-appreciated, but no way on Earth would Floyd Patterson beat Mike Tyson. It’d be Patterson\Liston (I or II) all over again.

by skeebop on Aug 24, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

See....

what you’re doing is not talking in top 10 of all time. You’re doing fantasy matchmaking. Patterson’s career was better than Tyson’s to the extent that I don’t think Tyson’s abilities and potential make him better in a historic “all time” context.

If the argument is “who wins if they fight” yeah, I’d probably take Tyson against Patterson. But by that note Lennox Lewis is probably my #1 heavyweight of all time and the Klitschko brothers are both top 5.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

If you compare HW’s of this era like, Lennox Lewis and the Klitchko’s, to guys like Floyd Patterson, Joe Louis and Joe Frazier, its not really fair. Those guys were so much smaller, if they were fighting today they would be CW’s or LHW’s.

The top guys today are 6’ 5" 250lbs, lots of power, good speed, with great technical boxing ability. IMO only guys Ali, Foreman, Tyson and maybe Holyfield would do very well against the Klitchko’s. Wladmir got knocked out by Glen Johnson, so Frazier would probably get in his ass, too.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this in order?

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by Chris Barton on Aug 24, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah...

I just used the boxrec historical rankings just so I could go through there and make sure I didn’t forget any names so they’re mostly in that order.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, cool.

Otherwise I had a bone to pick :p

Good list, by the way. Honestly, even without historical context, I don’t think Tyson could have competed well with some of those guys in their prime. Frazier was like Tyson but better, Ali would have smoked him. Foreman might have beat him even in his old flabby come back years. Tyson was a beast, but during a time when there was only one lion in the jungle.

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by Chris Barton on Aug 24, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Tyson.

He’s not a piece of garbage. I don’t think he raped that woman. He had sex with her, but I don’t think it was rape. He may not be in your top 10, but he’s definently in my top 5 for iconic boxers. His life was obviously traumatic, he’s been on top of the world and he’s been on the bottom of the gutter. There’s no doubt he’s insane, but you can tell the man has a good heart. He’s not awful, and I too wish him nothing but the best.

by Myke25 on Aug 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you for saying this

Tyson made some monumental mistakes in his life, but he seems to finally be getting back on track. I think he deserves a significant amount of credit for that. Changing your stripes is hard; especially at his age.

by skeebop on Aug 24, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he’s fucked up and did some amazingly screwed up stuff. But I still think it’s good to see a guy with such a fucked up head be a little more at peace in his later years. And I think we can all appreciate the fact that he doesn’t throw his ego around like some others. He seems like an honest fan of MMA (which is a rarity), and you would be hard-pressed to find him threatening anyone who didn’t push him first.

And personally, I think a Tyson at the peak of his training would have hung with the other greats just fine.

by judonerd on Aug 24, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

“you would be hard-pressed to find him threatening anyone who didn’t push him first.”

do you mean NOW or in his life?

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOW. It’s a relief to see Tyson acting like a human being NOW.

by judonerd on Aug 24, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can actually warn yourself?

Screenshot or GTFO.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 24, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a fair question!

I’m going to try!

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

godspeed

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh...

no…you can’t warn yourself.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn that sucks.

I was a mod on a Wikia site and you could ban yourself.

Toronto FC - Where road games are forfeited and we STILL have no idea how to play from behind.

by SSreporters on Aug 24, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could care less what you let slide. Why do you care if people “care” for him? My set of beliefs calls on me to care or sympathize with a lot of wretched people… most people are only one situation or one dumb decision away from being a monster.

Even murderers love their friends… its called humanity.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I care that he’s become a sympathetic figure when he’s a child molester who beat up old women and probably raped women.

Whatever, if you want to care about his well being. Go nuts. I’ll be over here giving as much of a care about his life as I do about the life of anyone else who I could say the same things about.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have a ball pal. I hear there’s people on forums being sympathetic to War Machine… you better go put out those fires.

Wasted time on wasted priorities.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh, I get it. I can’t determine what can and can not matter to me. Only YOU have the ability to determine what are worthy priorities.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously buddy

don’t act like Brent isn’t allowed to voice his opinion even if it seems like an extreme one to you. It’s not about not having pitty for a person, it’s feeling offended by the fact people are so cool with a guy that groped little girls. You don’t agree with Brent, Brent doesn’t agree with you but he can share his opinion same as you can.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really chief, guy, pal

I never said he wasn’t allowed to voice his opinion, I took exception to him lambasting other people for having sympathy for the guy.

You’re making some huge leaps of logic in stating that someone who sympathizes with a person is “cool” with alleged things that person has done.

I don’t believe in the death penalty, I guess I’m cool with every heinous act a death row inmate has done… think more.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must like to read people's comments and twist them around in your own head to see what you want

Get it right buddy cause I never said they were cool with what he did, but they do seem to be cool with him as a person despite what he did. And please don’t tell me to “think more” you condescending little silly billy, don’t come on here and address me as if I were some sort of child. I feel I have not show you personally any disrespect to warrant such a response, so how bout you take the time to stop huffing on your own ass gasses and try to approach me in a more civil manner and I shall do the same for you good sir.

I don’t support the death penalty either and of course it doesn’t imply that we feel fine with whatever that person might have done despite not condoning their murder for such actions. Tyson has done many heinous things, and I’m sorry but just because he acts like a castrated pit-bull now doesn’t excuse his behavior of the past ESPECIALLY the groping of an 11-year-old. You know why he’s so beaten down now? It’s because life kicked his ass and a lot of it was due to his own poor decisions that he has nobody to blame for but himself. I feel sorry for the guy same as you and it does seem like he has possibly grown as a human being, but he could still very well be capable of doing something harmful.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I swear I read a Tyson say this:

“I saw this lady. The old me would have took her purse, raped her and left her for dead. and I thought myself “where is my heritage? Am I losing my roots”

I’m paraphrasing but its extremely close to those exact words.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the quote

 “This white woman come up,” he recalls of the visit, “and I’m thinking: Wow. When I was a kid, she would’ve been robbed and raped, left for dead. This is a real strange scenario, and I just wanted to cry. I’m like: ‘Who am I? Where’s my heritage?’”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2010/jul/22/mike-tyson-returns-to-brownsville

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we just stop with this whole "he was a poor ghetto child" jive already

There’s plenty of fucking people in this world that get brought up in a shitty environment with shitty things constantly happening to them, it doesn’t mean that they’re all likely to commit the same acts that a guy like Tyson did and or that they shouldn’t be held personally responsible for their actions. Maybe he did or didn’t rape that woman specifically, but how ass-backwards is this place that everyone shits their britches over a sanctioned fight between two women where one happens to take a sustained beating but then people turn around and defend Tyson who we know at least beat up old ladies at worst. There’s evidence of a guy abusing an 11-year old girl, beating his wife, biting a competitor’s ear cause he was losing, and just being a bi-polar menace in general and everybody wants to give this fucking guy a pass because he happened to entertain them for a period of time by beating faces in.

Seriously, is this what everyone thinks, are people really on this P.C. trip? “Oh he had a bad upbringing, poor baby! That totally gives him an excuse to do the things he did well into adulthood.” You know what people my dad and his whole side of the family grew up in a shitty area in Long Beach where he dealt with a schizophrenic mother, a dad that beat him with electrical wires, guys shooting at him cause they think he’s his cousin, and a school full of racist white kids dumping sawdust on his head. And you know what, by the time he was 19 he wasn’t molesting 11 year olds, he was in the fucking army and he’s know a well (enough) adjusted human being and so are all of his siblings that went through the same thing.

I’m not saying you can’t feel sympathy for what happened to him, but let’s not act like it’s an out for all of his later behavior cause it’s just weak. Also Brent started his post out acknowledging what he was about to say was negative but it’s his opinion and he’s in no way backtracking from it, if you knew a thing or two about this site you’d know Brent in no way needs to try to “drive traffic” by posting trollish comments with no sincerity behind them on this site.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tyson does even pretend he is an OK person

“Tyson has never pretended he was a good person or worthy of admiration. In fact he has always said the opposite, that he is a scum bag and a criminal and we should hate him.

To me, that sort of self awareness and honesty, after all the mad that was his life, is at least something worthy of note."

posted that below

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And I’d ask Brett and you: Did you watch Tyson fight after the allegations you guys are so worked up about and with the knowledge that the guy was a menace to society?

If no, then keep bitching, if yes, then stfu.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely watched Tyson fights as a boxing fan. That really doesn’t prove a point one way or the other. As a huge boxing fan those fights had relevance to the rankings and landscape of the sport. I did not have to deprive myself of Holyfield or Lewis fights because of Tyson.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So its OK to support a menace to society professionally but its absolutely wrong to have sympathy for him? Got it.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're welcome to have sympathy for him...

I’m sick of hearing people say they feel for the guy but they’re more than welcome to their feelings.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off you act like people can't eventually have a change of opinion.

I was about 7 when he came out of prison and crushed whatever can that was at the time, and yeah I watched and cheered for him same as every adult that I was around. I knew nothing of what was actually taking place with his personal life, I just knew that everybody was crazy for the guy and so I followed their lead. I cheered for the guy well up until his last couple of fights, and even years after that I still thought he was an okay enough guy. To be honest I’m much less adamant about this then Brent is but I can’t ignore the fact that the older I got and the more I heard about this guy’s antics that it makes me appreciate him less as a human being. And I’m sorry if some people take offense to what he’s done, but they do and you have to deal with it.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sit yo fake ass down!

Never seen you so fired up. :P

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it’s dry his area?

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If by "area" you mean private regions

I’ll have you know I moisten and condition regularly.

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by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's odd I know

I don’t like people and their “sweep it under the rug” logic they try to run. “Oh yeah he did all that stuff, but wasn’t he fun to watch? Seriously, HIGH FIVE!” Fudge that friend, I don’t even want to give that child rapist Roman Polanski or his movies the time of day anymore.

Secondly I don’t appreciate bleve_ and his manner of talking down to and insulting others just because apprently he doesn’t know how to voice his own personal opinion without such tactics.

Thirdly, I’ve been in a pretty lousy mood (more so than usual) for the last couple of days so it’s affected my general outlook.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t hijack the thread.

And not one person has insinuated a “sweep it under the rug” logic… the people that are sympathizing with him aren’t doing it from a fan perspective, but from a human perspective and most likely know the tragic details of his life. You can judge the guy all day long, just don’t tell me that I can’t have sympathy for the guy.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, that last part is a bunch of poo poo

Nobody is dogging you for feeling sorry for the guy, you can cry for him until the cows come home if you feel like it. Like I’ve said in this thread, I pity the guy as well but in my opinion that pity doesn’t mask my disappointment in him as a person. Again like I’ve said before, when people are saying that despite him doing the things he did he was still a great boxer whether it’s intentional or not it’s still giving off the effect of trying to sweep it under the rug.

Listen internet buddy I do believe people can change, but you kind of have to weigh the severity of what was done in their past compared to how long removed that person is from those actions. I do think Tyson is a different guy now for the most part but we don’t know for sure just how different of a guy he might actually be.

Anyway I must apologize, I’ve been way to combative in this entire thread and I’m not really all too sure why. Now that I’ve gassed I can see that I’ve been a bit of an ass hat and could’ve presented my own ideas in a much less aggressive way.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was mostly upset at Brett’s bashing of the guy… “Here’, Here’, Mike Tyson has done bad things!!”

Anyway, its all good my brother… none of us are having him over for dinner.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

Things have gotten a little teste around here lately.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off

when people are saying “hey he did those bad things, but boy could he put on a show” then yes my friend, they are most certainly trying to excuse or at least brush it aside somewhat.

Second off, when you have a first off it should usually be followed by a second off.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sonuvabitch

I did it too, I just owned myself inadvertently.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd off

We’re all a bit culpable for the twisted values in society that gives millions of dollars to people who can perform specific physical feats.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh sure I'd agree with that

I am a Lakers fan (of course Kobe was never proven to be guilty of any proposed allegations).

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you imagine what a “jury of your peers” would actually look like for mike tyson… who are his peers?

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Tyson has the intellectual edge.

by bleve_ on Aug 24, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt he'd be very effective

he’d be too busy talking to Jesus to pay attention to the trial.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guy has had a terrible personal life

He grew up without any kind of supervision. Every person ever in his life has taken him for everything they could. He just lost a child, and has nothing to show for all the money he made people over the years.

He isn’t a nice person. However I do feel genuine pity for him.

I imagine lots of people would have taken that same path if they were brought up as Tyson was.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 24, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

Mike forcing himself onto Teddy Atlas’ neice.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

nevermind

this has been covered.

Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.

by Fake Emcee on Aug 24, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respect your viewpoint...

..and you make a bold statement that you have every right to make. We all have our take.

But I ask you this: Do you believe in salvation? In repentance?

If a man is convicted of wrongdoing by a trial of his peers, and he pays back his debt to society in kind, is he forever on the wrong side of humanity based on his past misjudgments?

(Even more so for a person like Tyson, who has, through karma, paid heavy material, physical, and spiritual tolls for different reasons throughout his life.)

Although Tyson has wronged others and has been wronged (mostly by D. King), it has all come out in the wash.

by eyeIess on Aug 24, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

fuck salvation for fucking rapists. they should get their fucking balls cut off, shoved down their throats, and the most gruesome torture possible, and left to die via more torture. then revived, drowned, revived, burned alive, revived, and cycle that shit again.

FUCK MIKE TYSON. I have lost so much respect for Dana for this. i’m disgusted.

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by Austin Martin on Aug 24, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer chemical castration personally. LOVE that idea for rapist.

by Riney on Aug 24, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are they still doing that in Florida?

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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyson baby

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

At least Tyson is one of the few boxer’s that watches mma and accepts it as another sport. He doesn’t come in there and say that their boxing is bad or that he can knock them all out. He may not understand it completely, but at least he knows that that you just can’t come into mma with just boxing.

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I never said he wasn’t an mma fan. In fact, I acknowledge that he watches mma and gives it more respect that other boxers have.

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He refereed a fight once. He stood them up after like ten seconds on the ground. It was kind of funny.

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by crazybones on Aug 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man… did he need the money that badly? I can’t imagine anyone thinking that making Tyson a ref is a good idea. Where was this? Did he at least do well for the rest of the fight?

by Keren on Aug 24, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

@5:28 in the vid

I can’t tell if they are just pretending they don’t know anything about King Mo because he fights for a competitor. I know they have better things to do than watch Strikeforce, but come on…

by TrickyNicky on Aug 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Dana – “King Mo Lawler?” Lorenzo – “Yeah King Mo Lawler”

by Nick Thomas on Aug 24, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Lawler and Tyson do have one thing in common.

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by RobertGBP on Aug 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyson (in his prime) in mma

Now that would be interesting to see. Of all the boxers there have been, I think Tyson’s style would translate to mma best. What with his swarming style, good defense, almost super human knock out ability he would have been a beast had he started learning some wrestling and submissions. He seems open minded enough.

by Bandaka on Aug 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

...

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freakish athletic gifts may never see again.

At 15, Tyson was already 185lbs and ripped. He had more natural ability than anyone Cus had seen before, and Cus trained Floyd Patterson. He studied tapes and drilled constantly from that time on. The man had everything: timing, speed, balance, power, patience, accuracy and intelligence.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If perception is reality

then Ali, Tyson, and Marciano are the greatest boxers of all time…..deal with it.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two words:

Sugar Ray, either one. They gotta be on that list. Unless you mean just HW’s.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering that P4P was invented for Robinson…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

just HW

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Lewis...

has quite the public perception…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Louis

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how to take that????

You really made me think with that one.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How ironic?

the Nazi champion was a super cool guy and a wealthy capitalist.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Life is crazy. Shit always goes around in circles.

I should have posted this earlier during the Greatest Ever discussion but check out this video of the best defensive fighter of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPjl1PUngPI

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before I click on this...It had better be Sweet Pea

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

...okay...I feel better

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

My man Mike ! Good to see hes ....

…. got his shit together . Still my favorite fighter bar none .

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by MidWayMonster54 on Aug 24, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The comment section is getting bowling-shoe ugly, bawh gawd King.

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by RobertGBP on Aug 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

For all his faults

Tyson has never pretended he was a good person or worthy of admiration. In fact he has always said the opposite, that he is a scum bag and a criminal and we should hate him.

To me, that sort of self awareness and honesty, after all the mad that was his life, is at least something worthy of note.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe someone can dig this up or verify it on Wikipedia or YouTube, but here are 2 thoughts:
1. When he lost to Buster Douglas in Japan, Tyson actually had him knocked down for much longer than a 10 count. I think the ref for that fight really blew it. Douglas deserves a lot of credit for coming back and knocking Tyson out the next round though.
2. The girl that accused Tyson of raping her was just out for money as well much like girl in the Kobe Bryant case. I remember seeing her on Oprah after Tyson was convicted and she was filing a civil suit for something crazy like 100 million dollars. She said no woman should have to endure what she went through. Well, someone from the audience asked her if she would donate any of her settlement to rape crisis centres, and she was clearly caught off guard and said she wasn’t prepared to do that.

In the end, all your friends and family let you down and you die in your own arms, so who cares?

by pharmboy on Aug 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

During his trial his defense wanted to bring into evidence testimony of her highschool boyfriend whom she had accused of raping her. Which was not true.

by Papercut Elbow on Aug 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct. Douglas was down for more than a 10 count.

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by jebushchrist on Aug 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n21_v83/ai_13610075/

Just something to consider not all the evidence that could’ve been presented was.

by Papercut Elbow on Aug 24, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...

that is very true. That case was badly mishandled. As much as I dislike Tyson I would never argue otherwise.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You view him as Retro Junk?

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by RobertGBP on Aug 24, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

...seems fair to me

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 24, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go to the pic's URL

It’s screenshots from Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out.

I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Aug 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Dana could talk Iron Mike Tyson into putting on the 4 ouncers to face JAmes Toney in the Octagon

it would rule. Someone might actually die in the cage though, which would take the sport back about 15 years.

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by Snatchl on Aug 24, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone notice that Dana White has the same paintings as the Gangster dad from Kick Ass?

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by Snatchl on Aug 24, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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