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The Week in Quotes: August 15th - 21st

Photo by Esther Lin for Strikeforce

MO KNOWS KNEES

"Some are cool, some are idiots. They're fans - they don't know what the [expletive] they are talking about. That's why I'll say it again: '[Expletive] the fans.' A lot of them ain't educated. They're just bandwagon jumpers." - "King" Mo Lawal, addressing the feud he's built up with the MMA fanbase. Truth hurts. (Ring Psychology Podcast)

"I think he's the favorite. I'm the underdog even though I'm the champ." - Lawal, on challenger Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante. Cavalcante stopped Lawal in round three of their championship bout at Saturday night's Strikeforce: Houston show. (Fight Line)

"I know more about 'Feijao' than he knows about himself." - Lawal, turns out the inverse was true as well. (MMA Torch)

"He likes to keep his hands low to throw from different angles. I guess that's good for him, but it's a double-edged sword. With your hands low, you're asking to get hit." - Lawal. Projecting much?

Star-divide

B.J. PENN, REAL TALK

"When you hear people say you're the greatest lightweight of all time and this and that and this and that, it's bullshit. It's not real. It's fake. You know, being the champ is fake, all of that is all fake. The only thing that's real is the fight. Everything else is fake." - B.J. Penn, extracting my thoughts on championship belts, Inception style. (MMA Mania)

"The judges, as we all know, they don't know what they're doing." - Penn (Cage Writer)

"I don't think anyone should get any points for any of the grappling positions. It's all about damage and submissions attempts, that's the only thing that should matter in the fight." - Penn, with an idea that should be incepted into every MMA judge's brain.

"I look for ways to try to build the sport, ways to put more fans in the seats and more money in our pockets. I want to see James Toney go in there and do good." - Penn

I'M THIAGO ALVES, AND I'M A WEIGHTAHOLIC

"I had a chance to look back at the situation. I know I have things to correct." - Thiago Alves, who did not make weight for his fight with Jon Fitch at UFC 117. (MMA Fighting)

"It was just a half-pound, so I'm sure my body could have flushed it out. But I didn't want to. I just wanted to concentrate on the fight." - Alves. "I could have done it. I just didn't want to." Yeah, right.

"It was just easier for me to give up the money." - Alves

"When things like this happen, you see people's true colors." - Alves. The total lack of self-awareness is striking.

PARTING SHOTS

"But from what I hear everything they did was approved by the commission so we'll have a conversation with them." - Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker, on oxygen cans used by K.J. Noons and "King" Mo Lawal at Strikeforce: Houston. (MMA Nation)

"His shots were getting weak[er] and weak[er]. I was able to stuff him and push him down, which is exactly what we planned on doing." - Chad Griggs, who defeated Bobby Lashley as a +700 underdog after Lashley became stricken with a severe case of lactic acidosis. (MMA Mania)

"I expected him to want to grapple. He countered with me the whole time and I was surprised." - Tim Kennedy, verbalizing the progression of Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza. Andre Galvao, take note. (Strikeforce.com)

"He's squeaking by on these decisions, yet he's talking like he's already a world champion." - Kenny Florian, on opponent Gray Maynard. If you weren't aware, Mr. Florian finishes fights. (MMA Weekly)

"[I told Vince McMahon] you should be afraid of anything that will take away from your pay-per-view dollar. They are going to reach into your pocket, rip it open, and all those dollars are going to flow right there." - Paul Heyman, becoming more prominent in the MMA scene, on telling Vince McMahon not to the let the Ultimate Fighter air immediately following WWE's Monday Night Raw. (MMA Fighting)

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Yeah.

I can understand a judge acknowledging the takedown, but simply holding a person still isn’t fighting. It is the opposite, it is avoiding a fight.

by truck on Aug 23, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly what I was thinking

during most of the Swanson/Mendez fight.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 23, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Submission attempts"?

Nah.

/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 23, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yes

a submission attempt is the grappling eqiuvilent of a knockdown.

"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse

by Chris Barton on Aug 23, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it's not.

If I’m pounding your face with my fists and you try and armbar and I easily get out, why should that count for anything?

A Knockdown is equal to a reversal or obtaining sidemount or better. Simply attempting a sub isn’t more than a takedown.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 23, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Submission attempts like

Cerrone vs. Ben Henderson should count for something in your book though, correct?

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by pdl on Aug 23, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A strong sub attempt where they sub is "locked"

Of course. I’ve always thought those were counted anyway.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 23, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then which counts more, teh attempt or the defense? Same for takedowns, imo.

by BJJDenver on Aug 23, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Those weren’t missed sub attempts, they were “how the hell is Ben still alive” attempts

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends on the attempt

a sloppy arm bar, I agree, shouldn’t count for much. An arm bar that you have to seriously react to get out of, that’s like getting knocked down.

"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse

by Chris Barton on Aug 23, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the same as a takedown. A knock down from strikes should hold more weight. There have been many situations were a guy got out struck, but won the round by a knock down.

by DayGeaux on Aug 23, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same could be said for submissions, though

"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse

by Chris Barton on Aug 23, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends

obviously a loose hold won’t score as much as a sub that was tight.

by av1o3 on Aug 23, 2010 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not all sub attempts should be scored equal, just like not all strike attempts should be scored equal. A sloppy arm bar attempt should be worth about as much as Rashad’s vicious knee punches against Rampage.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Aug 23, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

How the ADCC scores submission attempts:
3) Securing Points :
Mount position = 2 points
Back mount with hooks = 3 points
Passing the guard = 3 points
Knee on stomach = 2 points
Clean Sweep = 4 points
Sweep = 2 Points
Clean Take down (Ends passed the guard)= 4 points
Take down (Ends Guard or Half Guard)= 2 points

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by Marvin Malehooves on Aug 23, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Convenient for Penn...

“In my opinion, only my strengths should count for the judges. The things I am weak at should not count”

Of course a striker/submission guy with poor positional control, who has been dominated by guys with good positional control, will think that positional control shouldn’t count.

by Jason H. on Aug 23, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note: I don't claim this is the reason, but the reason BJ gave for "gassing" is that:

Matt Hughes broke his rib and he couldn’t breathe. You can decide that it isn’t true, but it sure looks more like what I saw.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 23, 2010 8:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

GSP dominated Penn

From front to back he beat him everywhere and broke Penn.

That being said Penn is likely talking about Edgar here, Edgar lost that fight and I don’t think two inconsequential take downs really should have made much difference.

I hope he makes this right this Saturday.

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by ShaiZ on Aug 23, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the love of Pete, MMA keep Paul Heyman as far away from your sport as possible

Don’t buy that bullshit story about him telling Vince that. He’s lying. Heyman was Meltzer’s biggest source for years and would’ve told him that before.

/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 23, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

don’t let him hear money!

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by Thats It For you! on Aug 23, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost hate that he's associated with lesnar

I mean I know they are great friends, but he’s a leech, a parasite. I don’t want him in MMA. I understand that many of the MMA media are/were fans of wrestling and “mark out” for the guy, but please don’t start giving him any MMA credibility.

/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 23, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know anything a out this guy.

Is he an actual leech, or is that the role he played? Is he an actual businessman or an actor or both?

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by jemaleddin on Aug 23, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have found him to be a very genuine and forthcoming guy.

People can say what they want about the not paying wrestlers and the envelope pushing he did and those are all valid points. I think if you watch The Rise and Fall of ECW dvd you will get a good idea of who Paul Heyman is. He is gold on the mic and has one of the best minds in the history of wrestling. You can tell he is very knowledgeable and I say he can pass the Ariel Helwani test then he is not to be concerned with.

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by Earl Montclair on Aug 24, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't exactly answer my question - is he a "persona"?

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by jemaleddin on Aug 24, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never thought BJ would become wise.

Maybe Baby J is all grown up now.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 23, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

BJ's saying that because he lost

Regardless of if you believe he really won (and I do), he’s primarily saying it because he lost.

/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 23, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

He just so happens to be right while at the same time shifting blame.

Nice job with the whole O2 scandal, BTW.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 23, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, he's right. The 10 point must doesn't work

And i didn’t do anything, lol, I just pointed out that people should “do work” before throwing labels. Apparently, that’s not the popular point of view.

/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 23, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yo...dudes are cheaters.

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by Matthew Roth on Aug 23, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mentioned a rule change that allowed O2 as of Jan. 1st

no even seemed to notice. I guess its juicier to speculate than to wait for details.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 23, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck it i’ll say it. I personally would find these quotes more enjoyable without the sarcastic, smug comments following them.

by sheikybaby on Aug 23, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I would enjoy them less. Also I’ve usually read or heard them all before this post, so the comments after adds a little value to it.

by Horselover Fat on Aug 23, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I skim through the quote just to get to the snarky comment.

by RoB_ex on Aug 23, 2010 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Couldn’t resist urge to Rec for use of Inception.

If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause.

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by Kneeeeee on Aug 23, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

I don’t agree with Fagan on anything else, bur he does a great job with this skewering everyone equally. You could not be more wrong.

Unless your name were “Mike Fagan.” :-)

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by jemaleddin on Aug 23, 2010 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Vindictive much?

Good for you Fagan, you show him who’s boss! I bet it feels good to go “I told you so” to someone you don’t like. God knows fighters should all pay their self-confidence pre-fight ‘cuz they ain’t shieeeeet. Fighters should instead be deprecating their own abilities and bowing down to their opponent no doubt.

by daeyeth on Aug 23, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you’re referring to the Mo stuff at the top?

1. This is a satire piece. No one is safe.
2. I’m a big King Mo fan.
3. I’m going to start banning people for this.

Have a nice day!

by Mike Fagan on Aug 23, 2010 8:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not soon enough

There are plenty of humorless jerks around here – ban a few and the Internet will keep making more.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 23, 2010 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dana White to Vince McMahon

I’m drinking from your milkshake!

by Pontus on Aug 23, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

If McMahon catches word of this

I see a tombstone pile driver in your near future.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 23, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I see WWE ending up with Affliction and the IFL on Dana's tombstone.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 23, 2010 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Perhaps

in time. As of right now, Dana is still the new kid on the block. Don’t forget that Dana is just 9% owner of Zuffa. McMahon ruins his own empire.

"I trained with Steven Seagal."

by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 24, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!!

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin

by Snatchl on Aug 23, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana’s milkshake brings all the boys (WWE fans) to the yard(UFC), and they’re like, it’s better than yours…

by oousty on Aug 23, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I could teach you, but I'd have to charge.

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin

by Snatchl on Aug 23, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

bj penn always blames others, never himself after a loss. however its all him, and nobody else when he wins.

king mo’s got awhile to go before he can say fuck the fans, only brock can pull off those kind of stunts right now.

thiago has about 50lbs in his chest alone

by BattleCry on Aug 23, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Mo, and I was rooting for him Saturday, but

The bullshit tough guy talk and the “Fuck the Fans” nonsense sure cushioned the blow of seeing him lose for me.

Saturday he made a mistake shooting into a knee against Feijao – and last week he made a mistake insulting the people that pay for his jewelry. I hope he learns from them both.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 23, 2010 8:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I sure hope he improves his skill set

He doesn’t need to become a BJJ whiz, but improved striking would be nice.

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin

by Snatchl on Aug 23, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no issue with "fuck the fans"

It has to be frustrating for a fighter to watch his fans drift whichever way the wind happens to be blowing. Especially for a wrestler that heard a cascade of boos during his most impressive performance to date.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh.

That was Nashville – it’s not like he got boos out of an educated fan base (don’t get pissy, southerners, you know what I mean). Those folks were booing any time there was no face-punching for 30 seconds. And to be honest, he looked exhausted and sluggish throughout the fight.

And seriously: blaming all fans for the behavior of the 200 people that paid for tickets at Strikeforce: Nashville is beyond stupid.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 24, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

“[Expletive] the fans,” says the [at the time] undefeated Strikeforce light heavyweight champ. “Most of them are going to love you or hate you regardless, but it doesn’t make a difference. Those are the same fans that thought Lyoto Machida was boring, then he wins two fights and he’s the best in the world, then he loses to ‘Shogun’ and he’s overrated. The fans don’t know.”

I can’t disagree with a word of this.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 24, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true … and frustrating.

by HarmlessNinja on Aug 24, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gets some ridiculous tweets.

by HarmlessNinja on Aug 24, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got to meet Mo the day after his houston loss

He wandered into my store and he talked a bit about his fight, said he threw the wrestling plan out the window because he was going for the KO

wish he would have stuck to the wrestling because im sure he would have stiffled Fejiao on the ground. If only strikeforce allowed elbows

by TheBiggertheyare... on Aug 23, 2010 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

He tried to stifle him on the ground.

He was just out-powered.

And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.

by James Brady on Aug 23, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was surprised how much bigger Feijao looked.

by HarmlessNinja on Aug 24, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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