Scott Coker Addresses Fighter Use of Oxygen Cans at Strikeforce: Houston
by Luke Thomas on Aug 23, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
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"You know, I'll tell you, the cans, the oxygen cans were brought to our attention actually this morning by one of our guys and I didn't see any anything, but I heard that they [Noons and Lawal] were taking some oxygen. Like you say, canned oxygen. So, we're going to look into it, but right now I just don't have enough information so I don't want to comment until I find out what it was. And from what I hear everything that they did was approved by the commission, so we'll talk to them and have a conversation with them."
You can hear the audio on segment four, roughly the 8 minute mark. The rest of my interview to be transcribed and posted here later today.
For more back story on the cans, go here.
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Jeez
No wonder White makes fun of these guys. They don’t even know what’s going on in the ring.
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I think the commission is to blame
If in fact they didn’t check the fighter’s gear for those cans/if they allowed the cans in the first place, then its clearly their responsibility. I’m sure Coker as a professional wouldn’t knowingly or willingly allowed his fighters to use the cans if it was against the rules
Thanks
for getting his answer on this. I retract my previous jibe at Strikeforce, which appears to be unaware of the situation. The Texas Athletic Commission is the problem.
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Strikeforce being completely unaware is embarrassing...
Why do they not have a better grasp on what is happening in their cage?
by truck on Aug 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Texas regulations don’t even include a prohibited substance list or testing methodology for enforcing one. They do have actually testing fighters and banning substances as a proposed change to their regulations but they aren’t there yet. This definately falls 100% square on Texas although hopefully next time Strikeforce will be on top of it better.
Current regulation
(o) The administration or use of any drugs or alcohol during, or up to 24 hours before a contest is prohibited unless a drug is prescribed, administered or authorized by a licensed physician and the Executive Director authorizes the contestant to use the drug. If a contestant is taking prescribed or over the counter medication, he/she must inform the Executive Director of such usage at least 24 hours prior to the contest.
(p) As a condition of licensure, contestants waive right of confidentiality of medical records relating to treatment or diagnosis of any condition that relates to the contestant’s ability to participate in a contest. All medical records submitted to the Department are confidential, and shall be used only by the Executive Director or his/her representative for the purpose of ascertaining the contestant’s ability to be licensed or participate in a contest.
(q) Medical disqualification of a contestant is for his own safety and may be made at the recommendation of the examining physician or the Department. If a contestant disagrees with a medical disqualification, medical suspension or rest period set at the discretion of a ringside physician or a disqualification set by the Department, he may request a hearing to show proof of fitness. The hearing shall be provided at the earliest opportunity after the Department receives a written request from the contestant or his manager.
Proposed amendment
The Department proposed amendment to §61.47(o) and new subsections (p) – (q) prohibits the use of any drugs, alcohol, stimulants or injections before or during a bout, to require an applicant or licensee to provide a urine sample at the executive director’s direction and to codify a list of prohibited substances that would be conclusive evidence of a violation. The drugs proposed for inclusion in §61.47(q) are those covered by the World Anti-Doping Agency 2010 Prohibited List.
From the the World Anti-Doping Agency 2010 Prohibited List at http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_Anti-Doping_Program/WADP-Prohibited-list/WADA_Prohibited_List_2010_EN.pdf:
M1. Enhancement of Oxygen Transfer
2. Artificially enhancing the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen, including but not limited to perfluorochemicals, efaproxiral (RSR13) and modified haemoglobin [sic] products (e.g. haemoglobin-based blood substitutes, microencapsulated haemogrlobin products), excluding supplemental oxygen.
Since truo2 is just pure oxygen, and not any sort of metabolizing agent, the last bit would seem to indicate that the World Anti-Doping Program is perfectly fine with the item in question.
that's fine and all
but we’re talking about the commissions here
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I know his schtick is being “not-Dana,” and he doesn’t have the same pull as dana when it comes to talking badly about the commissions, but I really wish he would have been more outspoken about this, the refs, and the drug testing.
People that love to hate Dana get on him about his abrasiveness, but sometimes publicly showing that the things that irritate the fans also irritate the guy putting on the show goes a long way.
Coker has to think about stepping away as the public face of Strikeforce. For good or for ill Dana is the template for a promotion: extertaining with the ability to speak to fans. From every source I’ve heard from Coker is a really nice guy personally, but the fans need someone charismatic. Scott ain’t that guy.
Maybe this is what they’re speaking to Paul Heymans about, to be the public face of the company. I don’t know anything about his wrestling background, but based on his interviews the guy could sell a fight or spin a problem.
by John Nash on Aug 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not as invested in the pro wrestling business as I was when I was younger, but the stuff I’ve been reading recently seems to me like heyman doesn’t really want to be an employee. There was talk about him getting involved with another wrestling org, but he wanted a “dana white deal.”
he can definitely sell a fight, but will SF let him be Dana, and will another Dana work?
I don’t know if you saw Ariel’s recent interviews with Coker and Heyman, but apparently they’ve been in discussions about… something.
by John Nash on Aug 23, 2010 11:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The fans didn’t accept a guy from boxing but they’re gonna accept a pro-wrestling guy?
To his credit he’s trying to build some rapport with this market but when he said he would of protected Kimbo to set up a Brock vs Kimbo ppv it clearly showed he doesnt know this business and the “why” behind the UFC’s sustained success and the “why” behind the UFC not ending up being a fad like most predicted.
He knows marketing, he knows how to talk and he’s a master at networking but he doesnt know this business.
I suppose if you go full freak he’d be the guy… but you cant compete with the WWE with choreagraphy, story lines, and gimmicks. Once the reality and sport of MMA is marginalized it becomes a novelty like celebrity boxing or tough man which will die out after hitting a peak.
WWE is the biggest circus around. Harlem Globetrotters cant compete… Tough man cant compete and celebrity boxing cant compete… and niether will a pro-wrestling style MMA promotion.
by mmalogic on Aug 23, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
He’s definitely best suited being a figurehead and helping to craft the marketing. I doubt Coker and co. would want to give up any actual authority.
by John Nash on Aug 23, 2010 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He would be great for production. Even though he knows marketing they have no money for it so his help would be limited there.
Unfortunately though, the only reason Strikeforce has the Showtime and had the CBS deal is because “sam the cameraman” gets to make more money… same with “sally the production assistant”, etc…
You go in as a threat to the existing “order” you’re done…
Yeah...
there’s a real issue where the guy who knows best how to market MMA in the promotion (Coker) isn’t the one in charge of marketing the MMA shows.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 23, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Inexcusable, control your god damn promotion Coker.
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
sorry but..
I think this one’s on the commission
I think some of the blame should be, yes.
However Coker is in charge of the promotion and how the event is run, he needs to be aware of everything the fighters are doing or have delegated out those duties to responsible individuals that he hires.
Athletic commissions are flaky and vary in practices in every state, Coker if he was a responsible promoter would have established a baseline with his fighters of what is and isn’t ok EVERY TIME, and then the fighters should also be briefed by athletic commission employees on the specific rules of the state they are competing in before the event.
If Strikeforce held a card in say, Egypt, and let’s say for arguments sake that Egypt’s commission is perfectly cool with steroids but that you have to just disclose that you did steroids before the fight, a responsible promoter would still make sure his fighters were living up to the promotions standards and not doing steroids.
Not sure if I explained myself well enough, kinda doing 3 things at once, but hopefully you can see my point.
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 23, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
It’s the promotion’s responsibility, and they should have been acutely aware of it having occurred. Typical crap in this era. Something happens, shift responsibility back and forth like hot potato until it sticks to someone or everyone just forgets about it.
Does it really matter if they huff O2 at ringside instead of in the locker room beforehand?
Mountain out of a molehill here, for sure.
Without getting into the legalities of this particular substance
Fighters aren’t even allowed to drink Gatorade before or in between rounds. The cage and the area around the cage is a tightly, tightly controlled space. Is at least inquiring whether or not these substances are approved by commission use a) at all or b) in the cage before or in between rounds a worthwhile exercise? Yes. It is.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 23, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
"The cage and the area around the cage is a tightly, tightly controlled space."
Even the Strikeforce cage… between brawls and banned substances…
by truck on Aug 23, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sugar
It does have electrolytes but I dont thinks its allowed because of the sugar
by Papercut Elbow on Aug 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
ha, I almost did that the other day but I caught it before posting
by JeremyShane on Aug 23, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Bahaha.
I was looking for racism or something like that. I was like “oh God what did he say…” took me like a minute to see the misspelling, haha.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but
wasn’t this only before the fight?
I seriously laughed out loud
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I thought Coker did a good job dodging issues he didn't want to talk about
Didn’t even want to comment on the commission or Schorle. It sounded like Luke was tyring to get blood from a stone at times.
Has anybody ask Mo himself about the situation?
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Soooooo…two fighters use oxygen (which will do absolutely nothing…zero…nada) prior to a fight and it is COKER’s fault??
So is it Dana’s fault that GSP greased or used petroleum jelly on his back in between rounds?
No.
Canned oxygen is canned placebo. It has zero physiologic effect in normal atmospheric pressure and normal oxygenation. These guys walk around with no less than 97% saturation on room air (as most healthy adults do).
If they received the oxygen literally DURING the fight, perhaps a difference could be made, but usually it is a utilization issue and not a ventilation issue.
Wags
are you a real Doc Wagner?
because if it does nothing as you claimed, why the hell would they use it anyways?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
and not sure about this
but it looks like from the gifs that Mo was using inside the cage, so it could have been between rounds.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I stand corrected :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Whatever the reason, hopefully it doesn’t happen again. Fighters huffing out of canisters before fights is not something the sport needs.
I’m surprised that the people around Mo and Noons let them use the canisters at all. Regardless of efficacy and legality, this incident and the taint of possible cheating is going to haunt both of these guys for a while.
That Texas commision is all sorts of catastrofucked
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by II SMASH II on Aug 23, 2010 10:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
O2 cans
Should be mandatory for all heavyweight fights
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Aug 23, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 12 recs
No, then Shane Carwin would be our Champ! Gah!
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
will they allow lactic acidosshiwimis pills also?
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 23, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
green goes the dynamite
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Are the smelling salts that power lifters use in competition legal in mma? That would be interesting
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by Austin Martin on Aug 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh noez!
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't blame the fighters
If, no one is going to stop you or enforce the “rules”, I understand doing whatever it takes to win. Perhaps instead of punishing them, Coker should make sure stuff like this does not happen again.
I dont think Coker is to blame for this
I think this was the responsibility of the commission. Its up to Coker now to make sure it doesn’t happen again
It sounds like the commission told the fighters they could do this. I don’t think the fighters are in trouble at all here. This is just Coker being his usual non-committal self. I just wish Coker would have came out with a more definitive statement on this. He knows more than he is letting off.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 23, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure Coker didn't know
Clearly when you’re putting on a large scale event like SF did on Saturday night, you know the attention is on you. I have no doubt that Coker wasn’t aware of the cans, and now knowing they were present, I’m sure he’ll take appropriate action to find out how they got in the cage. This isn’t a major deal.
Gee. Sounds like a story to me.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
Of course it’s a story. No one said it wasn’t. It looks like not much of a story, but it is worth exploring certainly.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 23, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
All kinds of people said it wasn’t a story yesterday, including the Balboa guy you went out of your way to defend.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Your reading comprehension is remarkably limited when you want it to be.
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 23, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That guy literally said ’it’s not a story’ numerous times.
There is no story. Dudes sucking in oxygen is not a story. The rest of your questions won’t be answered until tomorrow, at which point there may be a story. Until then, there’s only empty speculation and the terms of the TSAC’s administrative rules.
by VirtualBalboa on Aug 22, 2010 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
A Spaceballs reference on an MMA blog
I can die now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Come one now, this one has to have happened several times:
“How many asholes do we have on this ship, anyway?
I knew it. I’m surrounded by assholes!”
Guillotine.
He's an asshole, sir.
I know that, what’s his name??
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I less-rarely write
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
It could be cheese whiz.
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by casey manrique on Aug 23, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
My issue with this whole situation
I read the statute as an absolute as to what is allowed. There is no leeway nor is there any ability to seek further approval. This is what’s approved. Deal with it.
If the commission approved something outside of their bylaws then they have violated their own terms. If the fighters didn’t receive any approval then penalties must be placed upon Noons and Lawal.
The entire AC seems to be a mess so I don’t think anything will happen but I’m hoping that when the UFC comes to Austin there aren’t these same shenanigans.
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The UFC’s Marc Ratner seems to stay on top of these things and I can’t imagine he will allow them to do an event with crazy Texas regulations (or the lack of regulation) and no drug testing at all. I doubt Strikeforce has the extra money to hire someone to do “Regulatory Affairs” like the UFC does though.
Rules can be changed as technology and sports science continues to advance. If the commission was brought this issue, the looked at it and approved it the case is closed. They can change the rules, that’s why they’re the commission. And frankly I’ve seen plenty of players on the sidelines at football and basketball games using an oxygen mask.
And why is this even a problem? It’s air, not vaporized steroids.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 23, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s accepted practice for NFL players to be drugged up on pain killers for games and they will even give them injections during the game. You can’t even have traces detected in your system in combat sports. well apparently it’s ok in Texas where they don’t even have a banned substance list in place. Texas didn’t even have to make a ruling on the Oxygen, if you aren’t drunk or stoned you are ready to get in the cage in Texas.
Word.
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 23, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t worry everyone, Scott Coker is on top of the situation!
by thesource on Aug 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Frankly I'm kinda surprised nobody ever thought of this before.
You watch football games and you see guys using an oxygen tank all the time to help replenish. Anyone who complains about something as simple as brining oxygen to breathe would have probably bitched about players drinking gatorade instead of water when it made it’s first appearance about 30 years ago.
I love how people were bringing that up facetiously yesterday.
“Oh what, next you’re going to tell me they can’t have Gatorade between rounds!”
“Um, they can’t.”
“Uh huh – next you’re going to tell me that concentrated oxygen can affect physical performance!”
“(jumps off cliff)”
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if they can’t the simple response is… Why the f*ck not? That rule is nonsense and needs to be changed.
until it's changed it's still the rule. Fighters don't get the choose which rules to follow.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 23, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this isn't football
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
No shit?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But it is athletics Is there a reasonable explanation besides “Well, we just don’t do that!”? If not why not? What harm does it cause? It’s not like roids that make the body capable of achieving things it otherwise wouldn’t be. Oxygen or Gatorade… what do they do except give the athlete a chance to keep operating at their peak performance for longer, in turn creating a better fight?
it’s a performance enhancer, from what I’ve read anyhow. It gives you more energy, therefore it shouldn’t be used. Team sports are different, it’s not deciding the best out of two individuals, but that’s beside the point. Some people think roids should be legal (among other things), we’re not debating whether something should be legal or not, we’re debating whether something is legal or not. and in this case, it appears to be illegal (no matter if it is used in other sports or if people don’t think it’s a big deal).
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
When you’re dehydrated drinking water gives you more energy too. And? Gatorade even more. Training at altitude gives your body better lung capacity and teaches it to use oxygen more efficiently. Not every fighter does that so maybe it’s an unfair advantage. Should we ban that?
This us such a ridiculous conversation to me. It’s air, not meth. O2 is hardly some kind of crazy stimulant. And whether you’re decided who’s best out of two individuals or which team has the best group of individuals out of two groups the concept is EXACTLY the same. It’s athletic competition. Teams or individuals do as much as possible to make sure that the athletes can continue at their top performance levels for as long as possible. That makes it a better match/game.
O2 doesn’t make you invulnerable so you’ll never get tired and it doesn’t unnaturally augment the ability of your body to perform. I will help your perform at the top of your bodies capacity for longer. That’s it.
When you’re dehydrated drinking water gives you more energy too. And?
water is allowed!
Gatorade even more
from what I’ve heard (not sure if this is accurate or not, Gatorade is not allowed… and it isn’t meth either :p
Training at altitude gives your body better lung capacity and teaches it to use oxygen more efficiently. Not every fighter does that so maybe it’s an unfair advantage. Should we ban that?
of course not, people do hard training to accomplish this, just like they train lifting weights, etc.
I don’t think you understand what most of us are arguing here, we’re not arguing if this should be legal or not, whether there is much to gain with it or not, we’re arguing whether it is legal or not (not if it should be legal or not). The commission has already stated there was nothing wrong, great, other commissions do think it’s wrong…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Frankly I’m kinda surprised nobody ever thought of this before.
Everyone and their mother tried to bring it up in the last discussion on this, what surprises me is that someone is still trying to push this.
Ball sports aren’t combat sports, it’s different on a fundamental basis and what is ok in one has no bearing on what is ok in the other.
Who cares what kind of sport it is… it’s a sport! There is no fundamental difference in MMA to any other sport when it comes the physical endurance of the athlete. Sports will always be better when the athlete can maintain peak performance for as long as possible. Ball or no ball.
Ball sports are about teams scoring points, combat sports are about individuals fighting each other it is so fundamentally different in every aspect (including physical endurance issues) that it’s not really that comparible. What is and isn’t allowed in the NFL isn’t relevant to MMA.
A team is simply a group of individuals. It’s athletic competition, it’s exactly the same. Whether it’s a group of individuals or 1 on 1 the idea is still the exact same. Who can display the better skills and who an keep themselves running at peak performance for the longest time. It’s absolutely no different.
But it is a separate sport with separate rules.
I don’t get why oxygen is somehow an exception to everything else. I don’t know all the banned lists by heart, but every sport has different substances that are allowed, this shouldn’t be complicated to understand. Whether or not the NFL, NBA, PBA, World series of poker, professional quilters association, or any other group you can think of allow people to inhale oxygen when they are doing whatever the hell they are doing has absolutely no bearing on whether mma fighters are allowed to use oxygen inside the ring or cage.
I don’t want to fight that guy.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Patrick Tribett FTW!
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Total Lack Of Conciousness
Oh were my fighters huffing an unknown canned substance prior to the fight? I must have missed the six different guys who were caught huffing on-camera during the broadcast… hmmm I’ll have to find out from the commission that doesn’t require drug testing what they think about it and get back to you…
What a complete pile of shit. I’m so sick of this never-ending game of pass the buck where promoters say they only adhere to the rules of the commission while the commission only adheres to the rules set forth in their charter while the fighters only follow the rules set forth by the commissions & promotions, and this silly dance continues round-and-round the issue while juiced up fighters continue to rack up hospital bills for ‘adrenaline dumps’ and ‘severe dehydration’…
Unless the sport seriously tackles the issue of performance enhancing drugs MMA is simply a PR nightmare waiting to happen… have we learned nothing from baseball and the BALCO scandal?
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by bloodsportmmadotcom on Aug 23, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Never mind, Coker
We just found out they were cans whipped cream. Move along.
Por isso eu tomo ópio / é um remédio / sou um convalescente do momento / moro no rés-do-chão do pensamento / e ver passar a vida faz-me tédio
Oxygen Cans and Scott Coker
It seems to me everytime something happen at a Strikeforce event Scott Coker never see’s what happens.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Aug 23, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
Every time Coker opens his mouth...
about something like this, I’m once again convinced that Strikeforce is one gigantic level and Coker himself is really a shill for the UFC.
Does Coker even watch his own events????
Everytime something happens he always he didnt see it, so they’ll look into it… Same thing with the Nashville brawl…
How do you hold events without your promoter even watching it?
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