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A Tale of Two Prospects: Muhammed Lawal and Bobby Lashley Take Different Paths to the Same Result

Chad Griggs making the most of a bad standup against Bobby Lashley at Strikeforce Houston. Photo by Esther Lin for Strikeforce/Showtime Sports.

In many ways, you can't get any more similar than Bobby Lashley and Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal. Both were Olympic wrestling prospects, both started their MMA careers in the second half of 2008, and both were among the most marketable fighters in the fledgling Strikeforce promotion. And, yesterday, both added a mark in the loss column for the first time. The result was the same-the path entirely different.

Bobby Lashley was in the sport for a pay day. He never made any bones about it and has nothing to apologize for. Fighting is a big dollar business and Lashley, with a well known name after a brief pro wrestling career, thought he could cash in. But,at the same time, Lashley knew he wasn't ready for the sport's upper echelon of fighters. He told me in 2009 that making it the top of the sport would be a gradual process:

A lot of people don’t realize how many tough fighters there are out there. You can’t just come in and say ‘I could beat the champ.’ People don’t understand MMA if they think they can just go out there and beat the champ. There are people who have never wrestled before who are high calibre wrestlers. People who have never boxed professionally who are high calibre boxers. There are so many tough fighters out there that I believe you have to start off the right way and build yourself up. Then, if you have the ability, you can become a super superstar. As opposed to trying to scratch that lucky lottery ticket and win it all. I think the way I’m doing it is the way most people do it. People come in and think you can bypass the developmental stages. You can’t bypass that.

By 2010, little had changed. Lashley was slowly growing as a fighter, but still expressed doubt in an exclusive interview with me for the Houston Chronicle about stepping up to tough prospects or fighters in the prime of their careers:

"It's going to take some time. I'm only four fights into this thing, so I have to wait a little bit. My coaches are always trying to pull me back," Lashley told the Chronicle in an exclusive interview. "It's a learning process. In MMA, it doesn't matter if you have four fights or you have thirty fights. It's still a learning process. I only have four fights. So we still want to work on a few more things. I want to work on my standup a little bit more. I haven't used that much in real life situations, so I want to put myself into a couple of matches where I get to stand up with these guys. I want to test myself in a few different ways, and then we'll be ready for it. I'm thinking maybe two or three more fights, and I'll be ready for that competition."

Fans and less savvy media members were frustrated by Lashley's slow progress. But last night crystallized what we should have known all along-Bobby Lashley understood the level of competition he was prepared to fight much better than any of us did. The fact remains that Lashley has been slow to progress as a fighter, in part because he's been slow to train like a champion. Until 2010 he wasn't even training full time-professional wrestling obligations filled a significant part of his calendar. And there were whispers from training partners that Lashley didn't work hard enough, with Nate Marquardt publicly throwing the former pro wrestler under the bus in an interview with me for Heavy.com:

"I train with two of the best heavyweights in the world, Shane Carwin and Brendan Schaub.  And he's not anywhere near them," Marquardt said.  Then he laughed, but suddenly his eyes got very serious.  "I've trained with Bobby a couple of times and for some reason he doesn't have a loyalty to our team.  I've kind of written him off.  I'm loyal to my guys."

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King Mo has taken an entirely different approach than Lashley. Unlike his fellow wrestler, Mo seems to sincerely love the fight game. He talked to us this week on Ring Psychology about staying up into the night watching YouTube videos and looking for an edge. He explained what he hoped to gain from that obsessive film work in an interview I did for Heavy.com:

King Mo: And my MMA knowledge. I watch so much film, I’m ready for anything. I watch a lot of film. People think I just go out there and it comes naturally but there’s a method to my madness. Smarts? I think I have them. I may not be the most technical fighter, but it’s coming.

Heavy.com: When you watch film how is it different than the way fans watch. When I’m watching I might just see a guy getting knocked out, but you’re looking at something else all together.

King Mo: Footwork, rhythm, body language. I never watch anything as a fan until after. When I first watch a fight I’m breaking it down. Then I’m like ‘Okay, I got it now.’ Then I can just sit down and enjoy the fight. I break down everything first now. MMA, boxing, K-1, small bum fights, wrestling matches. I love to watch and I store it all up here in my brain.

No one questions Mo's work ethic. He travels throughout the country, working with some of the industry's best, striving to improve his game. While Lashley was reticent about stepping up to tougher challenges, Mo has never been shy. He's taken on UFC veterans and tough guys from the get go. He fought Mousasi, widely considered the best prospect not under contract to Zuffa, and demolished him.

Work ethic and fighting spirit. They're a big part of the reason I think we haven't heard the last word from King Mo. For Lashley, this may be the end of the line. He is approaching 35 and simply doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a force in MMA. Mo is different. You have to get knocked down to prove you can get up-for King Mo this is just part of the process of becoming one of the greats.

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I think the “hate” (from the article directly beneath this) is more from Lawal being ranked higher than many felt he should be. Part of this is the not-in-the-UFC bump a lot of fighters get for winning belts in other organizations.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with this

You get bigger bumps inside the UFC than out of it. Lesnar jumped from unranked to top 5 by beating Couture.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 22, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

well winning the #1 promotion's belt

tends to do that to you, despite your inexperience.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is how he started to crack the top10

winning the second largest US promotion isn’t quite as good, hence not top 5 :P

Also I’m somewhat certain he was cracking a bunch of top15s if memory serves. Not exactly the same, but close

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

Robbie Lawler
Gegard Mousasi
Shinya Aoki
etc. There are tons of examples

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

Matt Serra

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 22, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forrest Griffin, Dan Henderson, Michael Bisping…

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by Neil Manich on Aug 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most egregious

Frank Mir. While unranked he beats unranked 1-0 Brock Lesnar and jumps into the top 10.

by John Nash on Aug 22, 2010 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

beating GSP

and (again) winning the #1 promotion’s belt in that class is a deserved shot up the rankings. None of those last three I named have done anything like that.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about how Shane Carwin moved up five spots between fights

from fringe top ten to nearly number five… without fighting.

How about how Ben Henderson, despite not beating a single top 25 opponent, is ranked somewhere around 10-12?

Or Gray Maynard being considered a lock for top 5 when his only top 20 win was a fringe top 10 guy in Franky Edgar, and he’s gone life and death with Huerta and Diaz since then?

There is no anti-Zuffa rankings conspiracy. It’s just a fustercluck.

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by pdl on Aug 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

About the Carwin thing you mentioned. I’m not really keeping track of ratings all too much, but it does seem like a lot of the time when a guy is chosen as the number 1 contender, he magically jumps up a few spots on everyone’s lists in anticipation of the upcoming title fight. Shane Carwin, Brett Rogers (for Fedor fight), Dan Hardy.. hmm.

by Horselover Fat on Aug 22, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was before the Mir fight.

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by pdl on Aug 22, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, yeah. I might be wrong but as I said it does feel like I’ve seen this tendency in other cases as well, don’t really feel like going and investigating it though.

by Horselover Fat on Aug 22, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said there was a conspiracy

and I completely agree that rankings are a clusterfuck

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is certainly part of it, however

Aoki, for example, hadn’t been on TV in the states outside of very late night HDnet fights which a ton of people do not see except the hardcores. Coincidentally enough, rankings are done by the hardcores, not the casuals. A lot of the sites that produce the rankings that BE compiles give a bump to the big-fish-small-pond fighters from some of the lesser organizations.

Your replay explains in part Mousasi and Lawler, who I also used as examples, but not the third. Sure it’s a bit of “what have you done for me lately? Oh, I saw you on TV winning”, but there’s a TON of guesswork and overall inanity involved in the rankings.

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Article, Jonathan

I’ve been harsh on King Mo in the past but I did notice some improvement in his striking tonight. Real improvement — other than the mistake he made lowering his head and throwing body shots in the Thai clinch, I thought his standup looked OK. That’s something he hadn’t shown much of until now.

I also hadn’t seen the telling interview where Nate Marquardt had been questioned about Lashley until now. I’m glad to have read this article and I hope you continue to stick with columns like this instead of the few incendiary ones that seemed to be hunting for comments in the past.

Kudos, my friend!

by Paul Stan on Aug 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

When I asked nate about lashley that wasn’t at all what I was expecting. I was shocked.

by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It must of been pretty bad for Marquardt to dump on him like that. I think it tells us all we need to know about Lashley and his future in the sport. Mo will grow from here, even if Lashley comes back I think we have seen all he has to offer the sport already.

by who me on Aug 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s clear that Mo was trying new things out in this fight. He used striking techniques that he hadn’t used before: nasty body shots and inside punching combos. He could have shown more commitment to his wrestling, even though Feijao ably defended, but that was not his priority in this fight. He is a student if the game and he is trying to evolve. He bravely (or arrogantly, however one prefers it) tested his developing striking game against a nasty striker and lost the gamble. I think the message one should take away from the fight is that he is doing what he should do, and what fans should WANT him to do: become a great well-rounded mixed martial artist.

by dribblebib on Aug 22, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think he watched too much tape

he thought the Mike Kyle fight was representative of Feijao’s heart and fortitude and it wasn’t.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 22, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That can be the other edge of the sword when it comes to watching your opponent’s previous fights. It seems to me that he hasn’t developed the fight reaction for dealing with being in a MT clinch. I am sure he knew/knows what to do but didn’t react and instead left himself open for the knees.

by YoungGun on Aug 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did seem to underestimate him, but so did most of us. I wonder how Feijao will respond to his victory. It would be great to see him continue to improve. He was very entertaining last night.

by dribblebib on Aug 22, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mo was showing improvement

Mo at times was lighting him up with those body punches, he simply hung in there a little too long, got caught and paid for it. Mo didn’t seem to be too disheartened by the loss, he said he already knew what he was going to work on. Lashley needs to add some offensive submissions to his game, there were at least 3 or 4 submissions that were open for him. I’m not going to hate on Lashley, he’s still develpoing as a fighter and if anything, this loss will be good for him because it will teach him where he needs to improve. Hopefully this will end people trying to compare Lashley and Lesnar.

by StealthBomber on Aug 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lawal semi-consciously trying for the takedown like that reminded me of Mike Tyson drunkenly trying to put his gum shield back in against Buster Douglas. That’s pure heart and fighting instinct, and i have a feeling Lawal will be back better than ever. Bobby Lashley, great guy, but not an MMA fighter.

by sheikybaby on Aug 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more.

by BJJDenver on Aug 22, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever seen Fitch vs. Gouveia?

It’s one of the best “wrestler instinct” moments in MMA. Fitch is nearly out from a huge knee and is still reaching for a leg. Then he collapses unconscious. It’s insane how wrestlers have a never say die attitude and their brains will always try to take down the opponent rather than quit.

Other fun one: A half-dead Lindland reaching to take down CSAC members after Vitor blasted him. Insane fighters instinct.

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by pdl on Aug 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitch is just a tough bastard though

He’s probably going to double leg and positionally control people from beyond the grave,

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by Neil Manich on Aug 22, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You train those moves so often, they're a reflex action.

Rani Yahya won at WEC 28 while almost completely unconscious. He got rocked by a massive hit but still took Mark Hominick down and choked him out. He has no memories of the fight and didn’t know what happened until the replay.

Also: Babalu shooting on BJM.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 22, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of Chris Leben’s UFC career has been fought in this condition

by smoogy2 on Aug 22, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Or that tough bastard Kimbo trying to take down the referee after the Silverback Ko’d him. Pure fighters heart. What a warrior

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by StevenGiles on Aug 22, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't grab the cage!

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it's the only good fight there is."

by dancingChicken on Aug 23, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

King Mo and Bobby Lashley

Strikeforce took a blow when both of there top guys lost.

by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Aug 22, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Lashley was one of THEIR top guys?

This is news to me

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 22, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lashley was one of THEIR top paid guys.

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by MMArazorback on Aug 22, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Mo and Bobby Lashley are your organizations “top guys”, the company is already in trouble. Forget the fact that they both got owned last night.

by coachbarbour on Aug 23, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mo abandoned his mantra of fighting smart and fighting to win when, at the start of the 3rd, Feijo hit him with that straight right. He was hurt and I think his ego got the best of him. It was if he was saying ‘Oh, you can’t hurt me’ and he just went into brawl mode. He lost his head for a moment and it cost him. However, I do think Mo will learn from this experience and come back as a better fighter. As much he studies about the game, he is still green as far as MMA experience is concerned and some things you can only through experience.

by KAN0 on Aug 22, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

*and some things you can only learn through experience.

by KAN0 on Aug 22, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also I think he was surprised he couldn't take feijao down at will

anyway Lawal still has the potential to be special

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by fr8nk the tank on Aug 22, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article.

But did Mo really “demolish” Gegard? I’ve read that a couple other places as well. I remember that he took a pretty close decision and got beat up along the way. In fact — and the feeling is reinforced after watching last night’s fight — I believe Mo has even more trouble in a rematch, with Gegard. Who cannot believe in Mo’s work ethic, self-belief, and athleticism? I think he still has upside — a perennial top tennish kind of guy — but as far as his striking goes, I don’t think it will ever be dangerous to fighters at that level. And the very best in his weight class, elite athletes themselves, will adjust to his wrestling and punish him standing — as Feijao shockingly had no problem doing last night.

by Charlie Custer on Aug 22, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Was thinking the exact same Charlie, In NO WAY, SHAPE or FORM did Mo demolish Mousasi, Hell in can be debated that under Japanese/Dream/Pride rules Gegard woulda been awarded the damn fight. Also, you can go by Nick Diaz’s philosophy of Fight Winners being the one who doesnt look Worse for Wear.
 As for Lashley, as you mention in the Article, by no means did Bobby think he was ready for the Elite nor wanted to be put with off the bat from every thing Ive heard/read from him but tbh, even with the atrocious reffing, he was on his way to a lose either way. Yes the Standup sucked, but he gassed and got tweaked by his own blood an cut. Sucks but he’ll be back just like all other fighters that lose. I think he’s around for awhile longer but doubt he’ll ever make top tier.
 Also Im really surpised that besides Zeus an Bauzen at Middleeasy , that NO ONE else is mentioning the inhalers/oxygen boosts that were being used in PLAIN SIGHT by Noons an Mo. Messed up Shiet. Guess Bobby shoulda got a quick Shot before his fight lol. Noons, well he’s a whole nother story after the shit last nite with him. Crazy Night of Fights actually :D

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by Chiggs on Aug 22, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree as well, have also read a few times about Mo demolishing Mousasi, which was not at all the fight I saw. He took him down repeatedly and held him there, but it was arguably Mousasi who landed the more effective strikes from the bottom, while Mo really didn’t mount too much offense. You can also see how busted up and spent Mo was after the fight, Mousasi not so much.

by Horselover Fat on Aug 22, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

just have to say

my friend and I always make small (dollar or two dollar bets) on the fights and last night I came in owing him 4 dollars from UFC 117..this is because we usually take turns picking the winner so even though I am much more into MMA than him he knows enough to win (and I have a problem with picking people I WANT to win and not those that I KNOW will win)…. anyway, last night my friend decided to let me pick the first fight and the winner got to keep picking and i picked all four fights rightl! Sorry, this is random and all but I was so excited, especially since at least two of my picks were “upsets”

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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Aug 22, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

and the moral of the story is - I still just broke even

damn.

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by ShoNuffthaMasta on Aug 22, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Nate threw him under the bus", really?

Nate threw Lashley “under the bus” by saying he’s not in the same league as Shane Carwin and Brendan Schaub? Really? That just sounds like he’s stating a fact to me.

by emeraldringer on Aug 22, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

“I’ve trained with Bobby a couple of times and for some reason he doesn’t have a loyalty to our team. I’ve kind of written him off. I’m loyal to my guys.”

That’s a pretty rough statement to make about a training partner. Oh and heavyweight prospect Brendan Schaub only has one more fight than Bobby Lashley so saying he’s not anywhere near Schaub does say quite a bit about where Lashley stands(and it a pretty rough statement to make about a training partner).

by who me on Aug 22, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re an MMA fighter and you’re even mentioned in the same breath as Brendan Schaub, you should seriously consider another line of work. But the fact remains that Lashley ISN’T in the same class as Schaub…..didn’t Schaub get owned by the UFC’s resident fat man?

by coachbarbour on Aug 23, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

"UFC’s resident fat man"

If this is some sort of half-assed crack at Roy Nelson, its a total failure.

Despite his lack of a traditional MMA fighter physique, Roy Nelson is one hell of a fighter. Losing to him is no shame for just about any HW in the business.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Aug 23, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dont look now

But lashley is trending on google

by silent.bisonte33 on Aug 22, 2010 9:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Michael Jackson trended really well last summer

Doesn’t mean it was a good period for him.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 23, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you are right

but it took monumental trash talk from chael sonnen, as well as espn appearances. it was weird seeing his name next to heidi montag and whichever stupid jersey shore character was there.

by silent.bisonte33 on Aug 23, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lashley / King Mo

Although both of these cats are exceptional athletes, neither will be anything other than “B” fighters. Lashley carries around way too much muscle to be competitive, and Mo has nothing but wrestling….

by coachbarbour on Aug 23, 2010 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

You are right about Lashley, however...

Mo can still turn into something. He seems to have the right attitude about his training and that makes a world of difference.

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Aug 23, 2010 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mo has a lot more potential.

Even just being as much of a student of the game as he is could make the difference.

by Cunny on Aug 23, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

But last night crystallized what we should have known all along-Bobby Lashley understood the level of competition he was prepared to fight much better than any of us did.

I seem to remember Lashley saying he either wanted either small-time competition or Fedor after his Wes Simms fight. Doesn’t seem to me like he understood where he was really at.

by BurtBacharach on Aug 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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