Bobby Lashley Released From Hospital, Was Severely Dehydrated
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 22, 2010 9:39 AM EDT
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The latest update on former WWE and TNA wrestler Bobby Lashley is that he was released from the hospital early Sunday morning (late Saturday night), according to Strikeforce officials.
Lashley was said to be "extremely dehydrated" after his fight against Chad Griggs on the "Showtime: Houston" fight card. At the hospital, Lashley was treated with multiple IV bags to pump fluids back into his system.
Severe dehydration plus punches to the head could have added up to serious brain damage, I'm sure that didn't happen to Lashley though as he was released several hours after admission.
There is also talk from Scott Coker that Lashley needs to do some soul searching to determine if he wants to continue on in MMA, a rather odd thing for Scott to be saying following a guy's first loss.
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I don’t think it’s odd at all, I think it’s fairly obvious that Lashley hasn’t taken his MMA career as seriously as he should if he actually wants to compete at a high level. If he can’t beat guys like Griggs he’s not gonna be of much use to SF or any other promotion.
by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Let me clarify...
I think it’s odd that COKER said it right after he went to the hospital. I don’t think it’s odd for a fan or whatever to say it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 22, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok I see your point, if Coker is thinking that he should probably say it to Lashley in private, and not right after the fight when he’s being carried out on a stretcher.
by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Coker just acknowledged that fact that Lashley got the fear of god put into hm with that beat down. Or maybe hes setting Bobby up for a pay cut his next fight.
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by Thats It For you! on Aug 22, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
Lashley said no mas
During a showcase fight.
MMA ain’t for him.
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He didnt like the idea of someone else making him bleed
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yup he only likes it when he gets cut with a blade out of his trunks
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by The Omaplatapus on Aug 22, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder
if it was really just dehydration. And I wonder why then they took him to the hospital. He probably was very groggy, maybe had a seizure. Whatever, he’s done.
Severe dehydration is enough
To cause hospitalisation, it can be very serious.
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by Drunken cutman on Aug 22, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
they took him there and hooked an IV up to him.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 22, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Did he think they were going to weigh him again before the fight?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's just that oblivious
to how difficult MMA is supposed to be. He probably pound a couple beers and did some coke before the show(it Texas). But seriously, he probably didn’t think he’d have to try very hard.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 22, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Having been in the Army...
hooking an IV up isn’t the severe step you think it is.
Not that Bobby wasn’t in a bad way, perhaps, but IV’s are one of those quick, cheap solutions you try while figuring out if it is something worse than the initial indications.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
bobby will learn from this
And I believe come back stronger than ever. Now there won’t be such high expectations for him. He might actually get treated like any other hvw prospect, instead of ppl constantly dogging him for not being more like Brock lesnar
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by Submit24 on Aug 22, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
People dog him because Strikeforce treats him like Brock Lesnar
There were legitimate talks of him having a title shot in 2011…with never having fought a legitimate contender. He was thrown on main cards due to his name and that’s Strikeforce’s fault. Coker has been quoted on signing Dave Bautista that “it worked for Brock Lesnar”. Lashley belongs on under cards and unfortunately his contract is too high to do that. So he’ll continue to get dogged and called a guy with no heart because he quit. He was using the mount as a rest position. These aren’t made up, it happened.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree that strikforce...
treats him like brock. Brock got a shot against Frank Mir for his first UFC, Lashley didn’t get anything close. After 3 (?) wins Brock gets a title, Lashley is fighting TUF losers and Crybaby Sapp.
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by ufc4 on Aug 22, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you mean He ^^
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by Drunken cutman on Aug 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Some vast misconceptions in your post.
At the time of their first fight, Mir was very much on the apparent decline after coming back from his near career ending injuries. The win over Lesnar seemed to reinvigorate his career.
However, in that fight Brock was very dominant and the victim of a bad stand up. Then went on to dominate (somewhat of an understatement) Heath Herring and prove he could easily go 3 rounds.
Then Randy came back, and I think we will find out one day, requested a fight with Lesnar for the huge payday that would ensure. Obviously this worked out well for Lesnar.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
It’s not that he isn’t more like Brock Lesnar it’s that he is getting payed big money and hyped big time by Strikeforce but won’t even fight other fighters signed to Strikeforce, they actually have to go out and bring in guys hand picked for him to fight.
by who me on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I see, he is getting the Fedor treatment...
Hmmm…I see your point…he won’t fight the guys SF wants him to fight (Overeem in Fedor’s case).
He picks who he wants to fight, and his fights are against guys thought to have little chance against him (Werdum, Bigfoot in Fedor’s case).
Instead of fighting whom Strikeforce wants him to fight, they have to bring in guys from outside to make “credible” opponents (like Sergie has been brought in already, and like Fedor’s camp has suggested Barnett).
Its one thing to only want to fight in the minor leagues, but when you aren’t even willing to fight the best guys in the minors…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 22, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As long as the normal rules that apply to prospects don’t apply to him, he won’t get the benefit of the doubt afforded to prospects. He gets a disproportionately large salary, and seems to have near-absolute control over who he fights and when. The Lesnar comparisons are inevitable, not just because he’s a former pro wrestler, but because he’s been singled out for special treatment. In fact, you’d have to say that Strikeforce has treated him far more gently than the UFC ever treated Brock.
I don’t really get the impression from Bobby Lashley that he likes fighting, and I definitely don’t get the impression that he likes getting hit. He clearly likes getting paid, but people are going to get real tired watching him struggle against no-names.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That's just not going to happen
“Any other HW prospect” would have had this wake-up call earlier in his career.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 22, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Face it...
Dude has a Light Heavyweight frame that he has jacked up to Heavyweight with a bunch of muscle that hinders instead of helps him. He is never going to be a HW fighter that can go any real distance in a fight so anyone with a brain will try to weather the storm and take him deep into a fight…..unless of course they feed him tougher competition that decides to just blast him straight out due to the fact that he is a one dimensional MMA fighter.
Elbows...
I actually think that not being able to use Elbows to a grounded opponent hurts Bobby in Strikeforce… Also,, It cant help that he was STOOD THE FUCK UP when he had full mount!! I am not a huge Bobby fan but I feel if there were elbows allowed and the ref wasnt a complete incompetent he would have won the fight… That being said, he obviously needs to take training a bit more serious…
The ref stopped the fight to have the cut checked...just some clarification
though he fucked up by not having them assume the mount again as it’s the most advantageous position in grappling/MMA.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
some people are saying that the checked the cut after he stood them up from mount. It would be nice if someone was paid to explain to us what was happening in the cage last night. They probably could have explained what happened and avoided lots of confusion.
Honestly, the card wasn't terrible
The marketing was as was the production (camera work is still shoddy/announcers not explaining things and being completely one sided in commentary). The fact that Mauro can make up a reason why Souza is known as “Jacare” but can’t adlib why the fight was stood up is ridiculous. Shit say anything “Schorle stands the fighters up due to Lashley not doing damage from the top. A ring doctor will check his cut.” I’m fine with that explanation.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
So he fucked up either way....
Schorle is a cancer.
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Well if he stands them up for stalling
Which you could argue Lashley was doing, he wasn’t doing damage from the top and was literally using mount as a rest position, then Schorle made the right call. If he stood them up to check the cut and then didn’t put them back in the same position then the guy is incompetent.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Really???
How can you say he was using it for resting?? He was throwing punches in bunches and taking a breather in between each flurry… NOW were they all landing of course not or the fight would have ended… I think you need to go back and rewatch when he had the mount
To me unless you're completely and totally inactive...
getting stood up from a dominant position like full fucking mount is absolutely awful reffing.
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I've seen ONE fight stood up from mount that I agreed with in my life...
it was Gregor Gracie at Ring of Combat 18. He had mount and just sat there, not working for a sub or throwing punches. He just got mount and sat there for over a minute.
…and then he got high kicked and KO’ed.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 22, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So you agree...
that this was a bad choice by the ref to stand them up?? Do you think it was to check the cut or did he have the cut checked after he decided to make them stand up? I was confused by the whole situation and NOT ONE time on the telecast did they mention it… I was shocked because Maurillo even said last night the only 2 refs that should be reffing were Big John and Herb Dean
Stood up for inactivity and then Lashley complained about his cut
That’s what people are saying happened that were at the event.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
at the event?
were these people in the ring? to hear….showtimes telecast paints a different picture. lashley wasn’t just resting. i don’t dig him but he got the short end of a retarded refs stick
by silent.bisonte33 on Aug 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't think that's ok
Randy had Tim’s back for pretty much the entire first round and there was never any thought of a stand up.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Randy was working though for 5 full minutes I think is the argument
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
At a certain point
You can’t advance position anymore – you’re there. At that point, I’d like to see the fucked improve his position before I demand that the fucker do something with his.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
I guess I can just see the utilizing an extremely dominant position to rest just looks super bad.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It was really bad. I mean, he was not DOING anything. He just…sat there.
It’s the only time I’ve ever agreed with that kind of stand-up. I generally don’t feel anything past half guard should be stood up.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 22, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’m still very new to all this, but I love watching fighters on the ground, and am often very upset by combatants being stood up.
As I watch through the backlog of UFCs, I notice that 105 seems to be especially bad for this.
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by Drunken cutman on Aug 22, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not arguing one way or another
Just stating that it’s possible to say he wasn’t working from top position. I think the ref made a mistake in not waiting for the end of the round to get the cut checked though with 30 seconds.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Full mount or not...
Full mount or not, it was stood up due to inactivity from Bobby I’m sure. Watch the fight again and you’ll see every time he tries to take advantage of the position he gets punched in the face a few times and then proceeded to hug out the next length of time. Griggs imo was in no danger from being in full mount at that point regardless of how advantageous it normally is.
9/10s I’d completely disagree with that call. This was the other 1/10th for me though. Lashley was using position to stall and really not much else.
I disagree
Lashley was active throwing a flurries the were not connecting. Inactivity wasn’t the issue it was the cut. Resetting them standing up again was stupid no matter how you see it
Opinions will differ on it...
Opinions will differ on it I guess. I’ll have to catch it again later as I just don’t remember him ever throwing any flurries so much as he would post and throw a punch or two before he began hugging Griggs again.
Honestly though I don’t think it really changed the course of the fight all that much. Lashley was obviously spent before the standup. Perhaps the break in the rounds could have given him enough gas to lay on Griggs for another five minutes. Perhaps though as was seen from that last takedown attempt we would have just seen the same thing happen a minute later instead.
I was done with him when he said "cans or champs."
Seriously… that followed by the grossly one dimensional game, and I have no love lost for Lashley.
I saw Lashley vs. Sapp in person. Talk about underwhelming.
I absolutely gave up on him when he had Griggs GIVE him an armbar. All Lashley had to do was fall to his back and hang on to the arm. Instead he went back to mount to get a nap in.
Next time he needs to bring a yoga mat and a respirator to the cage.
A lot of wrestlers aren’t going to potentially sacrifice position and go for an armbar.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 22, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. However there was a point in the second when Bobby had mount. The hand was in his face, the rest of the arm was parallel to his core. Lashley had his left leg over the chest of Griggs and his right leg/foot near Griggs’ face on the outside. The most rudimentary of BJJ practice would’ve had anyone instinctively take it.
It just really revealed a complete lack of respect for the multiple disciplines required to be competitive in modern MMA.
I don't know about a lack of respect
It might be more of a lack of confidence to complete the move. If he was comfortable in full guard (and he certainly should have been, he practically could have taken a nap), then why go to a move you don’t have full confidence in?
That said, even a wrestler should know a basic arm bar, just like an BJJ practitioner should know rudimentary takedown defense.
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That is kind of the point...
he wasn’t in a good position…he was kind of in a fucked up position that happened to be exactly like the early positioning to apply an arm bar from the top.
He worked to get back to mount and take a rest.
Frankly, while the restart on the feet was technically wrong, it didn’t change the outcome because Bobby wasn’t doing shit with his dominant position and was destined to gas regardless.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Fighting dehydrated is seriously dangerous; the brain has no fluid to help cushion the impact of a punch. Lashley could have suffered a major concussion out there.
Why was he dehydrated?
Not like he had to cut to make weight.
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by thetakeover on Aug 22, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Some people sweat more than others
Muscles require a lot of energy to work and he’s literally a 185’r blown up to a 255lb HW. So could have just lost a bunch of fluid.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He probably eat and drank poorly
Leading up the fight.
Also, he possibly suffered from some degree of an adrenaline dump, as they can contribute to far higher amounts of sweating and, consequently, dehydration.
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by Drunken cutman on Aug 22, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I don’t get it he didn’t cut weight how the hell do you get dehydrated to the point of hospitalization from 10minutes of activity? Either there is something else wrong or he must have had the worst preparation in history of a pro athlete, like getting drunk the night before and not drinking anything the whole day or something.
Bobby Lashley's heart........
is not in MMA! He quit and that calls for a new career change for bobby maybe body building or strongman contests.
BJ quit too...
Against GSP. Are you saying his heart isn’t in MMA?
by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Aug 22, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I thought he was going to quit after the cut opened.
At the end of that round, he looked confused, and not into the idea of bleeding. He needs to just go back to WWE or whatever, and collect big checks.
Mount stand up was ridiculous… But Bobby isnt a fighter and never was. Some people are fighters and some arent and he’s in the latter. He got a really good deal from Coker and was only accepting useless fights. Striekeforce got fed up with being used and im sure Scott is pissed he couldnt use Lashley’s name to build up a guy like Cormier, or that other guy he was originally slated to fight.
Showtime continues to waste money with no equity to show for it.
On the bright side… at least Fedor can now call out Chad Griggs.
or that other guy he was originally slated to fight.
Shane del Rosario
The fact that they had to go outside of fighters Strikeforce already had to find handpicked guys for Lashley to fight is very telling. Signing a guy and then having to go sign fighters he will actually agree to fight because he turns down your entire roster should be a red flag for everyone involved.
The true bright side
Is that we’ve probably avoided the potential blight that would have been Bautista/Lashley.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
No...I think this actually makes that fight more of a reality.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 22, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
completely agree
Now that we know Lashley isint getting near a title picture any time soon, this fight makes more sense then ever. Bobbys been taking freakshow fights his whole MMA career – why not take a profitable one?
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by hobbie on Aug 22, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, it's too late to crap on Bobby
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 22, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah he lost But
The dude got a bogus stand up from mount, also he took like 1000 illegal shots to the back of the head. Those two things negated he may have easily rode out a decision. I think he needs to try another career choice just because he has no tools in his bag and you can’t ride effectively in strikeforce without the use of elbows in the guard or side mount.
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by SilverNBlackZach! on Aug 22, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
if he had to go to the hospital due to dehydration...
…I don’t think “grind out a decision” was gonna work as a strategy. No denying there was some God awful reffing on display last night, but I think Lashleys biggest problem is his lack of tools and options for finishing a fight. If you get mount in only the second stanza and your opponent does more damage then you do, you need to re-evaluate your skills.
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by hobbie on Aug 22, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lashley / Batista
Next logical step. Coker might as well squeeze as much juice out of his Lashley deal as possible. At this point in time, I’m not as horrified of that fight as I once was. It’s clear Lashley isn’t a fighter. He quit, which I have no problem with, because it was probably the best decision for his health, considering he was dehydrated and was getting his head beat in, but Lashley hasn’t shown any desire to evolve or challenge himself. He was making good money fighting nobodies, so Coker might as well get that freakshow match going. It’s all he has left with Lashley.
Damn I had money on it being 'Lactic Acidosis'
And it’s not surprising to hear Coker say that. Lashley and his management have been turning down fights, don’t want to be rushed unless it’s a title shot or big name opponent, and still want a lot of money.
Coker is basically saying Lashley isn’t worth the money he’s being paid, but couldn’t allude to this while Lashley was winning.
Yeah
I suffered terribly when I got dehydration sickness in Copenhagen. I really feel for this guy.
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by Drunken cutman on Aug 22, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
medical opinion
ummm drink? i’m guessing they had to give him a diagnosis for insurance reasons and ‘gased’ doesn’t have an ICD9 code. i guess he couldav had a vasovagal reaction (common feint/ close to faint) at the sight of his own blood, but how weak would that be?
Severe dehydration is fixed via IV’s and they would want to monitor him given his athletic situation when it happened.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Severe dehydration is fixed via IV’s
sure and this usually happens if somebody has an underlying illness (severe diarrhea, diabetis, nausea+vomiting, overdose on diuretics including alcohol) etc. that or they’re weight cutting and intentionally limiting their water supply
if you don’t have these then dehydration is fixed by drinking water.
have you ever fought a round or two and been unable to drink any water?
i don’t fight so i don’t know, but it seems odd to me.
and i wasn’t kidding about the possibility of dehydration caused by nausea d/t vasovagaling which can be caused by sudden onset of extreme emotions (such as stress) and/or any painful or unpleasant stimuli.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasovagal_response
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Would be nice, but not as much fun as you appearing to suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
This happens to everyone ocassionly, right?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 23, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Lashley
Lashley is what we saw last night a guy with a Pro wrestling background trying to compete at the high level of MMA.Lashley showed us that he’s not ready for primetime and needs to thimk about his future in the sport.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Aug 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
That was not competing at high level MMA
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 22, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It is too!
Griggs is one of the best LHW’s in Strikeforce.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve said it here before, when Lashley trained at Grudge, the guys basically were shocked that a guy was going into MMA, when he had such a disdain for getting hit. Again, few people LIKE getting hit, but you are going to get hit, no matter how good you are.
The real question here:
Is Lashley stupid or just halfhearted about MMA?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
Good answer.
"I trained with Steven Seagal."
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