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Much Ado About Not Much: DREAM.16 and K-1 Final 16 NOT Cancelled, Alistair Overeem Will Fight K-1 Unless Strikeforce Gives Him Fabricio Werdum

Heavy sits the belt on the waist of Strikeforce heavyweight champ Alistair Overeem. Photo by Scott Peterson via MMA Weekly

You've probably seen the rumors that K-1 legend and UFC veteran Semmy Schilt was in negotiations with the UFC. Dave Walsh of Head Kick Legend has spoken to Schilt's management:

Head Kick Legend has gotten the definitive word from Semmy Schilt's manager, Bas Boon, that Semmy Schilt is absolutely not headed to UFC as of right now. There have been no talks with UFC management with the Golden Glory kickboxing dynamo as of yet. When pressed, Boon was quick to comment, "I have good contacts to Dana White and the UFC, but there have been no negotiations whatsoever since me, Semmy and Alistair met Dana in Ireland."

He did add that Jon Olav Einemo is the only Golden Glory fighter at the moment who has had potential talks with the UFC at the moment.

Also due to news that multiple fighters, including Japanese fighters are owed money by FEG, the parent company of DREAM, and rumors that DREAM.16 would not be held at all Head Kick Legend contacted FEG brass and got the skinny:

Head Kick Legend went ahead and spoke with FEG USA's Mike Kogan about the situation, specifically the upcoming FEG events of DREAM.16 and the K-1 World Grand Prix Final 16 tournament. There has been speculation that due to FEG's financial situation and the way the PUJI deal went down that they wouldn't have the funding to pull off either show or would have to make concessions. Mike Kogan was able to confirm for us that the next DREAM is indeed DREAM.16 on September 25th and that the K-1 World Grand Prix Final 16 will indeed happen on October 3rd.    

And as BE reader mattman73 pointed out, it's totally unacceptable that FEG has gone months without paying fighters. All of the fighters in question, from featherweight champ Bibiano Fernandes to aging veteran Gary Goodridge should and must be paid for risking their health in the DREAM ring.

I've long felt that FEG was something of a pox on the fight scene in Japan. Although I have huge respect and admiration for their K-1 kickboxing promotion, FEG's MMA events were always a distant second to PRIDE in terms of quality and impact. Now that PRIDE is gone, FEG is the big dog on the Japanese scene by default. They are the only MMA promotion with access to prime time television on a major Japanese network and, as such, are the face of Japanese MMA. I'll still be rooting for Sengoku to turn things around, but until they can do something with Judoka gold medalist Satoshi Ishii, sumo legend Asahoryu and a major broadcast network, I won't be holding my breath.

More on the DREAM/K-1 finances and what's next for Strikeforce champ Alistair Overeem's in the full entry:

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Head Kick Legend also gave background on FEG's financial morass:

The planned K-1 World Grand Prix format for this year also mysteriously fell through, with the Eastern Europe GP falling through, the Asia GP not happening and the Final 16 Qualifying Tournament not happening, either. If you look at the graphin the last link, the K-1 World Grand Prix this year has unfolded not as planned, at all. There is supposed to be a K-1 MAX Final 16 show in Europe in September, but the K-1 Official site, which usually lists upcoming shows on the right hand column has no sign of it anymore. The next show listed is the Koshien tournament, which there has been little actual news of to date.

The blog Nightmare of Battle usually steers away from too much business talk and simply promotes the fights, and in an interesting turn posted a news story today that addresses a lot of the recent FEG rumors. FEG has been notorious for stiffing foreign fighters, and paying them only if they return to Japan to either fight again or demand their pay. Well, not anymore, as apparently Japanese fighters are now owed money, which makes things seem a lot more dire. Editor of Kamipro magazine, Saito, is the one who is spilling this info and let's it be known that there are many contributing factors to FEG's financial woes; the Ishii tax evasion scandal, the PRIDE yakuza scandal, Yoshihiro Akiyama's "greasegate" against Kazushi Sakuraba, television stations paying 30-50% less last year for FEG programming and the increase of fight purses. All of these have led to FEG being on the ropes as they are now.

The continued existence of FEG, K-1 and DREAM also gives fighters another option. Fighters like Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem who is saying unless he gets Fabricio Werdum he'll be fighting in K-1 this fall instead of Strikeforce, from Head Kick Legend:

In an interview this week, Strikeforce Heavyweight Champion Alistair Overeem hinted that if Strikeforce doesn't offer him Fabricio Werdum that he is going to fight in the World Grand Prix instead.

"Being Strikeforce champion, I will defend my belt. It depends if Werdum is available to fight. If not, I will think of entering the K-1 Grand Prix."

I would not want to have Scott Coker's job. Trying to book fights for Strikeforce is the proverbial cat herding exercise. It's easy to see why Dana White operates the UFC with such a heavy hand.

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What a mess

It’s said that the Japanese MMA scene has fallen so far so fast. I fear this will lead JMMA down a hole that it won’t be able to extract itself from.

Any idea what legal options are available to fighters for extracting themselves from contracts/getting their money?

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by Worldisart on Aug 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

It is a big, legal mess.

Their best bet is working with a lawyer and dealing with Mike Kogan of FEG USA. Mike is very attentive and easy to work with.

Part of the problem is these guys don’t get written documentation of payment and accept cash, so the promoter can claim they paid them already, etc.

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by Dave Walsh on Aug 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

The large influx of money that will help beat the UFC and WWE can’t pay past due fighter wages?

by truck on Aug 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

NEVER QUESTION PUJI MONEY

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by lowellthehammer on Aug 20, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

The graph may as well read:

Invest money
Develop a promotion
Do shows

Someone got paid a lot of money for that chart, too.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 20, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the upside

I’d be very interested to see the current iteration of Overeem try his hand at the K-1 GP again.

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by grizzlyatoms on Aug 20, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Shitty Wording

Sorry, I meant that in reference to his earliest K1 fights.

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by grizzlyatoms on Aug 20, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not surprising to hear that Dream is a complete mess, when have they not been? It is surprising to hear that K1 is also having problems though, I thought they still were doing good ratings and attendence?

by who me on Aug 20, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Totally unacceptable?

Only if their contract demands immediate payment. What if the contract only requires payment within a calendar year? There isn’t really anyway to judge what’s acceptable or not without seeing the agreement.

by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I've seen a few FEG contracts

Mostly just general contracts, not per-fight contracts or anything. They actually lay out a base sum for the extent of the contract.

For example, Ray Sefo. Ray Sefo’s last contract was a 3-year contract for $1mil USD. I can’t remember off-hand the number of fights, but I believe it was 3 fights a year. So each fight contract would be a percent of the entire contract.

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by Dave Walsh on Aug 20, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it could only be mostly unacceptable.

by who me on Aug 20, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I won't jump to any conclusions

When the top dog in one of your divisions won’t even fight for you until he gets paid, that seems indicative of, if nothing else, a drastic misunderstanding between management and labor.

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by Worldisart on Aug 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 20, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't get what's going on with Satoshi Ishii.

Did Sengoku simply sign him to a contract in which they can’t afford to pay him to fight? Is he not accepting fights? What the hell is going on?

by KAN0 on Aug 20, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

he was woodshedding in Hawaii and New Zealand

a couple months back, picking up some fight experience. They’re trying to not rush him after his debut loss to Yoshida.

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by Kid Nate on Aug 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So that's it?

They rush him out of the gates and then they hide him away? I don’t understand why they can’t have him work his way up inside their promotion. Other promotions seem to grasp the concept of how to build a prospect, why can’t they seem to get it? I just don’t get having him fight an exhibition fight in Hawaii (real head scratcher for me) then having him fight in some rinky dink promotion in New Zealand. It just seems like a real waste of this guy’s time and potential.

by KAN0 on Aug 20, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah I like it

it’s a clear departure from the throwing the olympian to the sharks model that has plagued JMMA. Ishii is young and needs time to build out of the spotlight, which will be intense in Japan.

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by Kid Nate on Aug 20, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at who they are putting Izumi up against;

Izumi hasn’t faced any real world-beaters, and certainly no one on the level of Yoshida. I don’t understand why they can’t do something like that for Ishii. And yes I realize that Ishii is a bit more renowned and highly regarded than Izumi but Izumi is a highly decorated judoka as well.

by KAN0 on Aug 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ishii

embarrassed himself in the Yoshida fight and even more so with his public promotion shopping before that so he’s damaged goods.

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by Kid Nate on Aug 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think he's damaged to the point where they can't put him on one of their cards?

Regardless of whether or not Ishii was “shamed” in his match-up with Yoshida, I still think it would beneficial for Sengoku’s popularity to put Ishii on one of their cards so his growth, or just him in general, can be witnessed. I am aware of the difference between the Japanese and American MMA models; I just find it hard to empathize with the mentality of Japanese promoters.

by KAN0 on Aug 20, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the way he grabs with two hands, let's go with one, then kills peoples.

It’s like a flagrant ‘fuck you’ to the rules.

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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by DamnSevern on Aug 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

with pdl

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by DamnSevern on Aug 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ideally I’d like to see FEG give up their MMA “dream” and let those fighters assemble under the Sengoku banner.

FEG should concentrate on K1 only.

by nastyem on Aug 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Sengoku doesn’t have the money to pick up DREAM’s leftovers.

Most fighters will end up in the US.

by KOQ24 on Aug 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by frosty31 on Aug 20, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope FEG can turn this around, while I like DREAM it’s not a necessity, but if K-1 went under that would be absolutely horrible. Overeem’s statement sounds promising, I hope he disses meaningless Bigfoot fight and does the K-1 WGP, would suck if he missed it.

by Horselover Fat on Aug 20, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that’s true, “meaningless” was not the right word to use there. I think it’s definitely a solid fight for him, but it really ought to be Fedor or Werdum (preferably the latter) at this point, that’s kind of what I was getting at. Either way I would like to see him against more solid HW’s in MMA, Bigfoot would fit that bill, but to me it’s not nearly as important as him being in the K-1 WGP finals! Strikeforce fights can wait a little longer ;) or they could have went ahead and booked him for a fight in the late summer / early fall, which could’ve been done before K-1 GP.

by Horselover Fat on Aug 20, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big on Overeem

I definitely think Overeem’s focus is on Strikeforce right now, and especially on a potential matchup with challenger Werdum. Obviously before Reem wanted Fedor, but since the Werdum victory, he’s got to be target #1. Hopefully we’ll see Reem in the ring for Strikeforce again soon – and also hopeful that Werdum can heal from his injury sooner rather than later.

by QuickJack on Aug 20, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The reem just needs to find a way out of strikeforce… Throw the next fight so you can get the fuck out Alistar.

Lesnar Carwin II: Carwin is going to pull that horseshoe out of Lesnar's ass and beat him over the head with it.

by frosty31 on Aug 20, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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