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UFC on Versus 2 Post-Fight: Jon Jones Wants to Face a Top Contender... or James Toney

Does James Toney still want to "slap his ass"? -- Photo via UFC.com

Following his very impressive victory over Vladimir Matyushenko, Jon Jones said that he is ready to take a step up in competition and take on the best guys in the division:

"Every opponent I've had are really tough guys. Right now, I'm passing these tests with flying colors. I really don't want to sound arrogant, so I've got to be careful the way I word this, but I want to fight someone who's really going to give me a really tough test. That has to be the champion or whoever. I want to fight someone who's supposedly much better than me ... so I can really step up and evolve to a different level."

"There's the champion (Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua), and he's the toughest guy right now. He's very well-rounded. He's a great striker. Just like the top three contenders. I really want to push myself against the No. 1, 2 and 3 guys now. I really feel like that needs to happen. The top three guys are the guys I'd like to fight – except for (teammate) Rashad (Evans), obviously."

Jones, who looked much bigger in this fight, said that if it wasn't a top light heavyweight contender, he wouldn't mind going up a weight class to face James Toney. The pro-boxer has recently said that he wanted to slap Jones, and it seems to have irked the admittedly sensitive 23-year-old:

"I got up to about 231 (pounds) this time around, and today I performed around 226 (pounds), so this is the heaviest I've ever performed at, and I felt as if I was just as fast,"

"Randy Couture, he bumps up to heavyweight all the time, and he always looks very impressive against the slower guy," Jones said. "And now I actually have a heavyweight that I wouldn't mind fighting. That's James Toney – 'Mr. I'm going to slap Jon in the face.' I'd bump up for that fight any day."

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That would be awesome!

First, we’ll have Randy maul him with some Greco Roman wrestling against the cage before taking him down and finishing him via GnP or RNC.

Then, we’ll have Jon Jones spinning back kick him before throwing him around a few times and finishing him off via his GnP elbows of death.

Lastly, before I leave I just want to say that if James Toney knocks out Randy Couture I will cry. =(

by jammushi on Aug 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, and argument could be made that would be a good thing

And let Jon Jones be the one who introduces James Toney to the canvas. With his length, those back kicks and flying knees would keep Toney at distance, and there’s no way Toney could stop Jon’s trips. And once it’s on the floor, God help James Toney. Because Jon won’t stop until the ref peels him off.

"I might know a couple things that you don't know. 'Cause I've been young, but you ain't never been old." - Elvin Bishop

by duck on Aug 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

PLEASE LET THAT HAPPEN

Tony had no idea Jones who is from a smaller weight class would do this. I hope they make this fight happen because Jones would ruin Tony. They are both about 230lbs but Jones can do it all and all Tony has is boxing.

by hatteras on Aug 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I would pay $100 on ppv to watch Bones maul Bologna Toney. Just saying…

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by ANance on Aug 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Randy isn’t scary enough, and is just old enough that people are afraid Toney might KO him. Also, this is his trash talking style:

“James Toney is definitely a great boxer. But I’m gonna, you know, get him up against the cage and put him on his back, hopefully. This is an interesting fight.”

by crazybones on Aug 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thought of Jones fighting Toney

Is enough for me to hope that actually Toney beats Couture, just so Jones can fight him.

Jones’ next fight really needs to be on the Lesnar card if at all possible, just for the exposure.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...

by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think they will wait and see

what Tony can do with Randy. If Randy dumps this guy in round one and pounds him out Tony will say he did it for money and I doubt you could justify another mismatch.

by hatteras on Aug 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Now I want to see Randy get some injury just bad enough to force him to withdraw from the fight and have Jon step in on short notice. Not like he would have to cut weight and I think he’s confident enough against Toney to take the fight with little preparation.

by YoungGun on Aug 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Man there are some really humourless twats on here as far as James Toney goes. What do some people want Toney to say? ‘’I really respect Mr Couture, who is most likely going to take me down and pound me out, i’m only a one dimensional boxer. Whatever you do don’t buy the PPV.‘’ It’s called selling the fight you douchebags! Toney is a hall of famer in boxing, Jon Jones, talented as he is, hasn’t even fought a top 10 guy yet.

by sheikybaby on Aug 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Well when Toney is talking about slapping Jon Jones when he sees him I think he is fair game for people to want to see Toney actually fight him.

Jon didn’t say anything that every other fighter has said will happen in Toney’s fight with Randy.

by YoungGun on Aug 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Handicap match

Jones/Couture vs. Toney. No disqualification. At the end of the fight they can have Coleman, Severn, Frye, and all the old school wrestlers run in and beat the shit out of Toney. Also, Brock Lesnar is the special referee.

by crazybones on Aug 2, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I wish Kimbo wasn't cut

just so he could face Toney

the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.

by Orcus on Aug 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree it’s time to test jones
that’s what i was saying last night on snowdens jones should fight chuck article

jones has passed every test put before him with ease
i think it’s time to truly test him and hold him up against the light and see what he’s made of

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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

they should scrap the Page/Machida fight

and make it Jones/Machida, that’s way more interesting for me

the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.

by Orcus on Aug 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should scrap it

And let either Rampage or Machida face Jones.

I agree Machida makes a lot more sense, as a fight between him & Jones could potentially be a great fight, where as Machida / Rampage or Jones / Rampage are pretty much foregone conclusions.

Unlike Machida or Jones, Rampage wouldn’t have any problem finding guys willing to fight him – he is still a big “name” guy.

That way Rampage could fight someone more in his league (Franklin, Griffin or Couture perhaps).

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i would like to see machida vs jones

i’m just done with seeing jones in fights that we all know he’s gonna win

i want to see him be tested

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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think Machida is the single worst match-up among the current top UFC LHWs with his elite TDD and clinch game.

Anderson and Rua would be very difficult fights as well for Jones, but not quite the same.

I’m sure Rampage would gladly give up his fight with Machida, seeing as he didn’t want it in the first place.

Frankly, even if Jones lost to Machida, a very real possibility, that is the best fight for him now.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m sorry I’m sure I’m alone in this but I’m not on the Jon Jones bandwagon.I think he would be get his ass handed to him against Rua, Machida , and Rampage. I do think he needs to go up in competition though.I think he needs to fight Thiago Silva , Rich Franklin maybe even Ryan Bader. If Jon fought Chuck I think he would win but it would not be an easy win.
I can’t wait to see Jon jones lose though I’m sick of this hype he is getting.

by mmawarrior on Aug 2, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Have you received your invitation to the annual Haters’ Ball yet?

by crazybones on Aug 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

chuck's chin is styrofoam now

did you get the memo?

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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 2, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?

Rua, Machida or Anderson would be great fights, and some Jones might well lose.

But Rampage should not be listed in with those guys, or with any group of guys with a good chance against Jones.

Rampage, Franklin, Griffin, Couture, Liddell or any of the other “name” fighters just below the elites would get ruined by Jones, aside from the ever-present “puncher’s chance”.

Nog Lite or Thiago Silva would be decent next fights if none of the “name” guys are available, willing and able.

Jones is going to find himself stuck in the Machida category where no one wants to fight him – too much risk of losing for such a limited upside since the majority of fans would consider a Jones victory as an upset (LMFAO) against the “name” guys.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...

by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’d say Page and Franklin would be great fights, but the rest of the guys you listed I agree wouldn’t be competitive.

the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.

by Orcus on Aug 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would ruin Rampage, but had a good fight with briltzed Nog and Thiago Silva. Something’s not right.

"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."

by dancingChicken on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What i said was

“Nog Lite or Thiago Silva would be decent next fights if none of the "name" guys are available, willing and able.”

I don’t consider those guys better than the “name” guys, but they are not well known.

The advantage with Diet Nog is he’s a different type of fighter than Jones has seen, something of a poor man’s Rua.

Jones is just a horrible match-up for Rampage, although FTR, I think Rampage takes Lil’ Nog or T. Silva as well.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...

by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rampage takes Lil' Nog.

But Thiago Silva murders ’Page.

And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.

by James Brady on Aug 2, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad, I misread your comment. I stayed up all night to watch the fights and now fatigue takes it’s toll.

"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."

by dancingChicken on Aug 3, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please stop mentioning Anderson.

It’s so far from being feasible that it’s annoying. You have all these LHW and then you mention a MW.

And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.

by James Brady on Aug 2, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Jones would be able to beat griffin, couture , chuck and franklin but I still think rampage can drop Jones.

by mmawarrior on Aug 2, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

That'd be interesting

Rampage’s boxing is really only strong in close; I feel Jones could use his range and speed to hurt Jackson from the outside without being exposed to the devastating short hooks, somewhat similar to one part of Rashad’s gameplan but with more reach.

At the same time, Jones could easily make a mistake leaving him too close while striking, and he doesn’t have a shot like Rashad’s, his takedowns mostly come from the clinch. Also, Jones has a more active top game, and it’d be interesting to see Jackson’s defense on the ground if it gets there. It’d be interesting to see how that fight would play out and compare to Evans-Jackson.

by AZ813 on Aug 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Powerful as Rampage is,

Its still over-rated IMO…he has all of 4 flash KOs, and one of those came via head-butt + slam.

Rampage, like most other top LHWs aside from Rua, Anderson and Machida, is just way too slow for Jones.

Between Jones’ speed, quickness, length, strength and wide variety of techniques to draw from, Rampage’s plodding one-dimensional style would be exposed like Anderson – Griffin, or Jones – Maty…

I actually hope against hope for that fight, because hopefully the Rampage fanboys would bet heavily on him, maybe keeping the odds under -350 for Jones.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...

by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

………..

And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.

by James Brady on Aug 2, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its probably going to be Jones vs Griffin, as thats the next logical step up in competition

by pandaboy99 on Aug 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel like the elephant in the room is:

Jones could conceivably make the whole LHC division look like NOOBS—if not now, then in a year or two.

Then you are stuck with another GSP or Silva, where title challenges just aren’t compelling any more, the division is cleaned out, and the stock of your roster of fighters goes down in the public eye.

by judonerd on Aug 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah but what you’re not taking into consideration is how deep the talent is at lhw

who is keizer soze

by Johnathan Willis on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it really though?

It’s top heavy but someone like Rampage/Thiago Silva will never compete for a belt again. Neither will Forrest.

You have Rashad/Machida/Rua at the top
Lil Nog/Rampage/Jones/Silva/Forrest in the middle
Bader looking to break in and Phil Davis coming up.

But it gets tired when you look at the overall health.

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by Matthew Roth on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The good news is, Jones is probably not staying at 205. He’s already enormous, and he’s still growing into his frame.

by crazybones on Aug 2, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has such a weird frame

But does he fill out like Lesnar or will he be a trim HW?

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by Matthew Roth on Aug 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking he will look more like a slightly scaled-down version of Overeem.

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jon Jones and the Large Hadron Collider....

We have an explanation.

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by pdl on Aug 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

goddamn noobie particle physicists

We need to get Jone’s ass to Switzerland ASAP. Based on his performance last night, Jones is ready to step up and figure out the fundamental nature of the universe.

Anderson Silva and Steven Segal secretly brought me into training camp to learn the art of goat choking...

by Goat choker 1 on Aug 2, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

with the power and precision on his gnp elbows

why not make him the crucial component of a fusion reactor? Sure, the LHW title is prestigious, but this way he could break the entropic cycle!

http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com

by some schmuck in texas on Aug 2, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa...his elbows are WAY TOO DANGEROUS

We don’t want to overload the system. Isn’t it only designed to operate at a TeV capacity?

Anderson Silva and Steven Segal secretly brought me into training camp to learn the art of goat choking...

by Goat choker 1 on Aug 2, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

jones understands his talent and ability

and he needs a top guy. I said it before this fight, I would pick him to win against every single guy in the LHW division, including shogun and machida. He is too fast, too athletic, already technical and getting moreso by the month. He would be able to take down machida and shogun with little problem and maul them on the ground. I think that Evans poses his biggest challenge stylistically, but that aint gonna happen.

by chimps on Aug 2, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

OR Toney could come down to 205 LOL!!

"A man that does not fall, does not stand up."

by CROOKS on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Did jones even break a sweat during that fight? He easily could fight next week if he had an opponent.

by pandaboy99 on Aug 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Advice to James Toney

What you want to do is find a mountainous 3rd-world country to escape to, because mountain towns are VERY easy to hide in. I recommend Spain, where there are already plenty of darker skinned people so you won’t really stand out too much. Also, that language ought to be easier to pick up than most. Good luck, friend, and here’s hoping Jones is willing to forget about you in the next few years!

Your parents must be siblings.

by IKilled007 on Aug 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Wat?

Spain is a third world country? C’mon brah.

by QB_Eagles on Aug 2, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

advice to iKilled007

Stop posting ridiculous comments.

by sheikybaby on Aug 2, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Trying too hard to be funny. I apologize.

Your parents must be siblings.

by IKilled007 on Aug 2, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

It’s a rivalry thing. I live in Italy.

Your parents must be siblings.

by IKilled007 on Aug 2, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.

by Orcus on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones said he fought The Janitor @ 226 lbs.

WTF is the point of even having weight classes.. just to see who is better at cutting weight? FFS LH is 205, they should fight at 205. I know i’m in the minority here but maybe Mass had it right doing the double-weigh in. If the fighter fucks around sure it could be harmful to his health, but hey heres an idea… you are in the 205lb weight class (or any other weight class). You won’t have any health issues if you fucking weigh 205! Christ. Commence hating…NAO

by nicey on Aug 2, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah

the Janitor probably came in at 205 fight night… if you want examples of people coming in at their true weight class, take a look at Wandy and see what that did for him. if everyone is cutting weight, you can’t single one fighter out from the rest, it’s part of the game.

the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.

by Orcus on Aug 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

There’s definitely something to this argument.

Your parents must be siblings.

by IKilled007 on Aug 2, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is some sense behind your sentiment,

But no safe, practical way to make it happen – weight cutting is just too deeply ingrained in the sporting world.

It would have to have widespread support among the various ACs and, to do it safely, have a series of weigh-ins over the 7, 10 or even 14 days before the fight.

It would totally change the landscape, that’s for sure.

And we would get to see who the 185er is – Anderson or GSP.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 7:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Rich Franklin or Forrest Griffin would be a logical next step for Jones. If he wins that; then the sky’s the limit for this guy.

→↓↘P

by Dr. Octagon on Aug 2, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Jon Jones vs. Anderson Silva

I’d like to see this fight just to see what looks like two spider monkeys going at it (not a racist comment, based on their freakishly long limbs)

by dreamers_12345 on Aug 2, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

hell yah,

give him the winner of bader/nog. that’s a great #1 contender match for the winner of Rua/Evans (which is to say, Rua)

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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 2, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think

that is a completely reasonable solution to the problem at hand

who is keizer soze

by Johnathan Willis on Aug 2, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats one fight in the next year

rua/evans isnt until spring or next summer- I would much rather see jones fight machida. Judging by comments I’ve seen here, ppl seem to think that machida would win- I think jones would smash him in R1 and I’m a machida fan.

by chimps on Aug 2, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno then...

Jones is looking pretty hard to beat now, and I’m a machida fan too.

Maybe Zoofers could put some of the hype muscle behind P. Davis, depending on how his next thing turns out.

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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 2, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see him fight Machida

I am a fan of both of them and I think Jones would win.

Your parents must be siblings.

by IKilled007 on Aug 2, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are 2 of my 4 favorite fighters,

But I honestly can’t say how that one would likely go – I could see it being a very evenly matched fight, or very 1-sided either way.

At the end of the day, I’d take Jones but…

Phil Davis would be an awesome fight too…

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...

by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 7:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's more a case of

Historically Machida’s had an experience (Jones agreed on this point) and possible technique advantage — but Jones is catching up FAST in the latter department.

by Chortles on Aug 2, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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