UFC on Versus II Post-Fight Analysis: Jon Jones, Takanori Gomi Impress in Quick Victories
Following last night's UFC on Versus II event, one major point stood out above all others. Jon Jones will be a future UFC light heavyweight champion. There is no doubt about it, and last night's absolute drubbing of Vladimir Matyushenko proves that he's ready for the next step up in competition. While Jones and his camp tried to stress that Vladimir was a major step up the ladder, the 39-year-old Matyushenko didn't have the physical gifts to compete with Jones. Perhaps a couple of fights ago, Matyushenko could have performed under the duress of Jones' strength, but Greg Jackson seems to have locked up some of Jones' technical weaknesses and improved his ground game considerably over the last couple of bouts.
Opponents are scarce right now as the top of the division has match-ups to settle, and I doubt Dana White and company are ready to push Jones into the title spotlight just yet. I actually think Forrest Griffin makes the most sense from a business standpoint, especially if Zuffa wants to push Jones to the top. Griffin doesn't offer unbelievable wrestling or great boxing technique, but he's good enough at both to be a very well-rounded fighter. With that said, I still think Jones bombs him in one round of action.
Turning our focus to the co-main event battle between middleweights Yushin Okami and Mark Munoz, one thought continuously ran through my mind as the fight dragged on. Munoz's wrestling is absolutely awful, just awful. NCAA Division I championship wrestling credentials... sure, but they apparently haven't translated to high-level wrestling in mixed martial arts. Munoz was consistently slow in his takedown attempts, and at one point -- he was dropping to his knees before actually progressing forward with his hips. He almost never exploded through his attempts, and Okami answered almost every single attempt with a hand on the back of the head and downward push to stuff it.
It wasn't the most exciting fight, but Munoz's desperation for the takedown and Okami's ability to stuff every attempt didn't exactly give Yushin a lot of opportunity to land strikes. Okami definitely proved he still has what it takes to win against American wrestlers, but I was hoping we'd see some solid boxing in this fight. Unfortunately, Munoz didn't give him much of a chance to do so.
Takanori Gomi's one minute and four second knockout of Tyson Griffin was absolutely beautiful to watch. It's always nice to watch a fighter who has failed so miserably in recent years come back from bouts of depression to win on the biggest stage in mixed martial arts, and Takanori Gomi did exactly that. Two solid body shots set up a wicked right hook, instantly putting Griffin into a coma. Impressive win for Gomi, and while I don't think it puts a stop in the reality that Japanese MMA is on the decline -- it certainly validates the fact that Takanori Gomi has knockout power and has an interesting road ahead of him. If he can shore up his wrestling, Gomi has the opportunity to become a real challenger at the top of the division. Wrestleboxers beware!
Other Notes
- Jake Ellenberger ate a few big shots over the course of his bout with John Howard, but came out on top in dominant fashion via a much better wrestling game and a well-placed elbow that busted Howard's eye. Nothing surprising in that fight. Howard showed him weaknesses to wrestling, but having a completely shut eye for almost half the fight certainly didn't help him with stopping shots. It actually looked like he couldn't see Ellenberger shooting at all.
- Jacob Volkmann proved that American wrestling is still king against British counterparts as Paul Kelly had no answer for Volkmann's takedown game. Kelly did land a very nice jumping knee in the latter parts of the third round, but it wasn't enough as Volkmann blanketed Kelly for most of the fight.
- Matt Riddle effectively took DaMarques Johnson down, beat on him with elbows and punches from top control, and dominated him for two rounds before knocking him out late in the second via GnP. Solid win for Riddle, and his twin girls can now go see their grandparents.
- Surprisingly, Igor Pokrajac not only got the better of James Irvin in the short period of striking in their UFC on Versus II undercard battle, but Pokrajac was able to secure a rear-naked choke at 2:29 in the first round for the victory.
- A la John Howard, Brian Stann was able to pull off a miraculous triangle choke submission win at 3:10 of the third round after being outwrestled by Mike Massenzio for most of the fight.
- Charles Oliveira lived up to the hype, securing a very speedy triangle choke transition to choke out Darren Elkins. Keep an eye out on this kid. If he can improve his abilities off his back and gain some better takedown defense, he'll be a solid prospect in the division.
- Rob Kimmons edged out Steve Steinbeiss in the first battle of the evening.
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Is Munoz’s wrestling bad, or is it just weakened by his terrible striking, which doesn’t allow the take downs to be set up properly?
He was rather sluggish in almost every single attempt. He certainly doesn’t seem to have any explosiveness at all in his shot, and against a guy like Okami — you’ve really got to power through him like Sonnen did so well.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
His shot looked off last night
I won’t argue there. However the time you are referring to when he was on his knees before he moved in with his hips, it was because he didn’t have time to stand up before Okami was moving back in, so he stayed on his knees to avoid eating a knee to the face while standing up.
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Aug 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I need to watch the fight again...
But I remember Munoz (from standing) dropping to his knees and shooting. I even said to my friend…
“I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone drop to their knees and then shooting before”
by A K I R A on Aug 2, 2010 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm on the same page as you Akira
He clearly dropped flat to his knees, then reached forward in the lamest take down attempt I’ve ever seen.
All of his takedowns were pathetic really. All I kept hearing about was how good his wrestling is…but he would simply drop to his knees and grab Okami’s legs. Then just hang on for dear life. He didn’t even bother pushing through, or twisting, or lifting, or ANYTHING that would result in Okami loosing an ounce of balance and being taking down.
It was sad.
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He looks like he could make 170. I’m not a big proponent of extreme weight cutting, but I don’t think it would be that extreme.
The reason I say this, is Okami looked much bigger and stronger than Munoz.
I like Munoz and thought before his UFC days, that he was a rising star. Now, I’m not so sure. He seems very up and down.
Okami is a big 185
I don’t see Munoz making 170, don’t forget this is a guy who was fighting at 205.
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by Worldisart on Aug 2, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rashad Evans fought at HW on TUF, and he could arguably move down to 185. Munoz was overweight at 205 and looks like he would be a terror at 170.
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by Ephemeral Artery on Aug 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He might well be capable of making the cut to 170
But then he runs into the buzz-saw of guys with far better MMA Wrestling than he has, in addition to all of the well-rounded guys.
If he can’t make it at 185, WW is not the answer.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it just me or does his fight IQ just seem below-average? He holds onto those singles for farrrrrrr too long.
If his wrestling talents haven’t translated in great MMA wrestling yet, I don’t think they ever will.
I think it would if he changed to a camp with other wrestlers who have made the jump
like AKA or Extreme Couture.
He held on to them for too long like you said, but also he went for the same type of takedown attempts over and over again, even though it was very clear they weren’t working for him. At some point he should’ve thought about trying something else. He did rock Okami once with a punch in the second round, so why not try stand-up a little more? He wasn’t going to get a win by wrestling anyway.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 2, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was with some friends who wrestle, and they were constantly mentioning how Munoz would not drive through at all. He just could not complete the takedown properly. They were confused and disappointed how an NCAA Division 1 wrestler would go for the takedown, but instead of driving through, would just grab onto a leg, go on his knees, and just hold the leg forever. They even compared it to kids in kindergarten wrestling in the playground.
I agree that Ariel was great (how is he not on TV morre)
but I thought the production was a bit laggy and distracting. Spikes is far more crisp IMO.
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I liked...
…the way they did some of their commercials PIP-style, though the transitions were rough. When they threw it to break, the sound dropped abruptly. Good idea, bad execution.
That uninterrupted commercial crap was ANNOYING. Either just show the damn commercial, or sponsor the corner time so we can hear what is going on. Isn’t that the whole point of seeing the corner time?
I didn’t mind the pip format, but I want to hear what is being said.
by BJJDenver on Aug 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i.e.
“This between round time brought to you by Bob’s Bambi Killing Super ammo, then cut to the corner while Bob’s graphics are on the screen as well.
Dude, Bob's Bambi Killing Super Ammo is awesome
I prefer the hollow point myself, but damn, a sale? I’m there!
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and the one time they went to full commercial was after Howard’s eye swelled up. I really wanted to see what Stitch was going to do with that monstrosity.
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by PapaBumpants on Aug 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
After Munoz caught Okami in the second he blew it
After that his shots were complete shit (even more so then before) and it looked like he was going for the takedowns for a break. Idk if his conditioning is there yet at 185
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by II SMASH II on Aug 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I thought he still looked soft at 185. What did he wrestle at? I would think with his background, that weight cutting wouldn’t be that much of a drain on him…
No idea
I just know Hammil head kicked him down to 185 and he looked exhausted against Grove, which I chaulked up to it being outdoors and him damn near being finished several times. But last night again he looked tired right after catching Okami
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by II SMASH II on Aug 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His shots last night were just horrendous, he looked completely drained and just outmatched.
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by WeaponElDeem on Aug 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
the idea that Munoz actually came very close to ‘winning’ the fight despite completely failing to implement his gameplan is the most ridiculous thing of all. REFORM THIS RETARDED JUDGING SYSTEM!
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Aug 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
100% agree…it is a shame that was a split decision..how many takedowns did he get 1/2 of one? and he dropped Okami once…Okami returned the favor, outstuck him, and nearly defended every half-hearted shot Munoz threw at him…..judges suck
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by WeaponElDeem on Aug 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I haven’t heard who the judge was yet that gave the fight to Munoz. What professional would score that fight for Munoz? He had 1 offensive strike that did damage. He clipped Okami a couple times in the scramble at the end of round 3 but Okami had the most effective strikes in round 1 and 3. One could still argue that it could have been 30-27 Okami despite being rocked in round 2.
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speaking of Judging...
Gene Labell didn’t have much to do in the Jones match, but I was very interested to see that he was officiating in this event. Anybody know if he’s judged a UFC event before this?
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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I noticed that too!
I saw his name and I was like, holy shit- it’s Judo Gene LeBell
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 2, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not the judging system that’s the greater problem. It’s the judges. A lot of them are just not fit to judge MMA.
it's both
Okami won round one due to octagon control and effective striking, but he didn’t land any huge knockout blows or anything like that (and it probably wasn’t his gameplan to do so). Munoz got one takedown but did nothing with it.
Munoz won round two because of the big shot, but the round was pretty close overall.
Okami dominated round three and effectively broke Munoz’ will.
So, I mean, as far as the judges go, an incompetent judge might give round 1 to Munoz because the takedown impressed him more than the technical striking, but even considering that, the system should take into account how much more dominating the round 3 was than the other two (and yes, I know it’s technically designed to). This is the problem with having a 3 round judging system based on the judging system for 12-15 round boxing matches. Even with good judging, you still enter into situations where a fighter can technically win a fight despite getting his ass kicked.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
*outstruck
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"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
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by CaptnAmerca on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
nice…it was a reply fail when I was trying to amend a spelling error, did’nt feel like muddling up the board…but now here i am explaining it.
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Heh, I know a reply fail when I see it. It happens.
I tried to make lemonade out of it, but here we both are, way off-topic…
really? :(
I was looking forward to renting that movie
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 2, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember the official call from Bruce, but
The replay clearly showed that when Oliveira tapped out Elkins, he had given up the triangle and was pressuring the arm. As Elkins tapped, Oliveira’s right leg was across his face.
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Agreed
It was the arm that made him tap, as he had just thrown his leg over. And Buffer did say armbar as well.
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by PapaBumpants on Aug 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Good - I'd hate to have hallucinated that.
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i think okami’s TDD was more the problem that Munoz weak wrestling, Okami’s sprawls were perfect so for u to say ,unoz wrestling was awful is a little disrespectful to both fighters, what a lame thing to say
by hot mma chick on Aug 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What a lame counterpoint.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
wow not to professional are u? guess that’s why u r writing for BE
by hot mma chick on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently so.
Okami’s takedown defense was very good, but that fact of the matter is that Munoz had next to no speed or transition ability in his takedowns to begin with, which is what I stated in the article above. Half the battle is beating your opponent with a speedy shot as it enables you to use less strength to power through opponents. Think of it as technique over power. Munoz could do neither. He didn’t have the strength to overpower Okami, and he didn’t have the speed to beat Okami with his shot. Awful wrestling performance by Munoz, IMO.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 2, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
those shots would have put most of the 185 lb division on their back but i still think it was a testament to okami’s heavy hips, his technique on the sprawl was awesome, imo munoz was not versatile enough as he kept going for double legs and nothing else
also munoz is 32, he won his d1 title 9 years ago, he’s a great wrestler that’s getting older and we all know okami is younger and has great judo and wrestling, people slow down as they get older
during those shots i was amazed by okami and not disappointed with munoz, he is a great wrestler still
by hot mma chick on Aug 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i just wanna say i was extremely impressed with okami and his last 2 fights have made me a bigger fan of his, OKAMI is the SHIT!!
by hot mma chick on Aug 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
okami does have good tdd however munoz should have been able to take okami down at will regardless of okami’s tdd.
the simple fact of the matter is that munoz has not effectively found a way to implement his wrestling into mma.
it’s no disrespect to okami and his tdd
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 2, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
munoz should have been able to take okami down at will regardless of okami’s tdd
No, he should have at least been able to score more than one, though.. the only person who’s ever taken Okami down at will is Chael Sonnen, who has never wavered in his dedication to honing his wrestling as his primary tool, unlike Munoz, who is making a too-late-in-life attempt to be well-rounded. Believe it or not, NCAA D1 wrestling champ does not automatically mean he should be able to take Okami down at will. Okami has been in the game a long time, is very athletic, and has long since figured out how to competitively defend all but the most elite of takedown artists
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 2, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree
There are only a handful of MMA wrestlers who have demonstrated the ability to take almost anyone down, at least when fresh and able to set up their takedowns – GSP, Lesner, Lawal, Kos, maybe Rashad, Sonnen, Davis and Askren, possibly Maynard…well, you get the idea.
There are quite a few guys, even D-1 champs who have struggled trying to take down the better MMA wrestlers.
As an aside, given your wrestling knowledge, what are your thoughts about Anderson preparing for Sonnen with Munoz? Personally I still think Sonnen is going to surprise him a bit with his takedowns…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know much about how different aspects of a single training camp translate into a fight.
I don’t think anyone should be surprised by Sonnen’s takedowns at this point, and I definitely don’t pay any mind to what Anderson said about Okami having nothing for Munoz. Anderson knows what’s up, he’s trained with other wrestlers for a long time, and he knows that if Chael gets a hold of him, he’s going down, and is either gonna have to sweep/stand, stalemate with a body triangle, or catch a sub. I think he will abe able to get out from under Sonnen successfully, but there is a chance he won’t, which is Sonnen’s only route to victory.
However, the strength of Anderson’s takedown defense lies in his footwork, spacing knowledge, and quickness. He is a slippery mo’fucka and very well could confound Chael’s ability to even grab him without getiing popped like Forrest Griffin.
I’ll be rooting for Chael because I like wrestling and underdogs, although he has started to get annoying with this bull.
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 2, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Munoz wrestling has looked really bad and well below where his credentials say it should be
I mean he struggled to get Grove down.
If Munoz is Silva's wrestling partner
Then I’m all for Sonnen for the Winnen.
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this is a very valid point
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
MMAth is garbage, means nothing, but i do hope sonnen beats spider
by hot mma chick on Aug 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree that mma math is garbage
however this isn’t really mma math
it’s taking into consideration training partners in a camp leading up to a fight
if munoz is who anderson has to prepare him for chael’s wrestling
he’s going to be underprepared
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure that he had more than one wrestling partner.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 2, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no such thing as a bad Versus card
Discuss.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
well there have only been 2 of em so i won’t say that there isn’t a such thing as a bad vs. card
but thus far they’ve been real good
i do think they’re directed more towards the hardcore fans though
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
WEC also airs on Versus you know...;-)
This show definitely could’ve used another prelim because the pacing is still a mess. There was 8 minutes left in the broadcast when they could’ve shown Irvin/Igor but they went to commercial, did a brief recap, and sent it to The Daily Line.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I did really enjoy The Daily Line
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Highlight of the night was of course Gomi knocking out Griffin, man that was sweet! I hope this motivates Gomi to keep putting on these kinds of performances, would be very cool to see him do well in the UFC.
Also Olivera’s triangle (and later armbar) was fucking beautiful, it was so damn fast and perfectly executed! Really nice stuff, looking forward to seeing more from that guy.
Ellenberger – Doomsday fight went pretty much as expected, man that eye of his was really nasty.. good call by the doctor to stop that fight. Hope he recovers well.
Jones vs Janitor fight turned out just as uneven and dominating as we thought it would, not much to say there except that obviously Jones needs someone in the top next time around.
All in all a pretty good card, can’t complain.
The thing about Gomi is… he’s one of the only lightweights with one punch knockout power. And that’s a huge plus for him. Should be interesting in the future.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good point you make, hadn’t really thought of it like that before. You’re right of course, can’t think of anyone else with that same kind of power in LW. Also he has a good chin, so that obviously makes trading punches with him very dangerous, as proven by Griffin and others before him.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 2, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

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