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Does the S.C. in Steroids Trial Evidence Stand for Shane Carwin?

The Fight Lawyer unearths some juicy details from the Alabama steroids trial in which Shane Carwin was named as a recipient of illegal performance enhancing drugs:

 Following up on my post, "Professional Athletes Linked to Alabama Pharmacist Convicted of Illegal Distribution of Steroids," here is additional information from the Factual Resume -- a document submitted with a plea agreement and used as evidence at the guilty plea hearing -- of a Colorado Doctor, Kelly W. Tucker M.D. (available via Pacer):

18.  S.C. - On or about January 18, 2006, Branch completed a prescription form and recommended to TUCKER that S.C., a 31 year old male, should receive Testosterone Blend (ICED), Trenbolone Acetate, Stanozolol, HGH, and Anastrozole, with three refills. TUCKER signed the prescription and faxed it to APS. J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, which included three vials of Testosterone Blend (ICED), three vials of Trenbolone Acetate, three vials of Stanozolol, and 30 capsules of Anastrozole. S.C. paid $530.45 for the drugs. The HGH was filled at a later time.

More of S.C.'s receipts are listed in the full entry. 

While Shane Carwin was named by U.S. attorney Donna Dobbins during the sentencing of Mobile resident J. Michael Bennett, a supervising pharmacist at Applied Pharmacy Services, as one of the athletes whose orders contained Bennett's signature or initials, we cannot be 100% sure that the S.C. named in Dr. Tucker's guilty plea is also Shane Carwin. 

I'd be very interested in hearing from any medical enthusiasts who have knowledge of the particular chemicals purchased by S.C. and how they may be used as PEDs in MMA. Also, are these prices consistent with the street value of these substances?

UPDATES.C. Michaelson has an in-depth look at the case at Watch Kalib Run.

-- photo via shutterstock.com

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18.  S.C. - On or about January 18, 2006, Branch completed a prescription form and recommended to TUCKER that S.C., a 31 year old male, should receive Testosterone Blend (ICED), Trenbolone Acetate, Stanozolol, HGH, and Anastrozole, with three refills. TUCKER signed the prescription and faxed it to APS. J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, which included three vials of Testosterone Blend (ICED), three vials of Trenbolone Acetate, three vials of Stanozolol, and 30 capsules of Anastrozole. S.C. paid $530.45 for the drugs. The HGH was filled at a later time.

On or about April 7, 2006, Branch completed another prescription form and recommended to TUCKER that S.C. should receive Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, Stanozolol, and Anastrozole, with six refills. TUCKER authorized the prescription which was faxed to APS. On or about April 12, 2006, J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, except for the Testosterone Blend (ICED). The drugs cost $207.50.

On or about May 1, 2006, S.C. requested and received refills of Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, Stanozolol, and Anastrozole from APS. The refill order was filled by J. Mallory Mallon. S.C. was charged $235.75. The next day, on or about May 2, 2006, S.C. requested and received another vial of Stanozolol. J. Mallory Mallon filled the order and S.C. paid $26.75 for the drug.

On or about May 11, 2006, Branch filled out a prescription form recommending that TUCKER prescribe HCG, with one refill, for S.C. TUCKER approved the prescription and faxed it to APS. The prescription was placed 'on hold.'

On or about June 5, 2006, Branch prepared a prescription form recommending that TUCKER prescribe HCG and Vitamin B 12, with three refills, for S.C. TUCKER signed the prescription form and faxed it to APS. The prescription was placed 'on hold.' Two days later, on or about June 7, 2006, S.C. requested and received the following drugs, which were either initial fills or refills: Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, two vials of Stanozolol, Anastrozole, HCG, and Vitamin B12 injections. J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, which cost $301.50.

On or about June 13, 2006, S.C. received three vials of the HGH that had been placed 'on hold.' S.C. paid $442.64 for the HGH.  

On or about July 31, 2006, S.C. requested and received refills of the Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, two vials of Stanozolol, Anastrozole, HCG, and Vitamin B 12.  J. Mallory Mallon filled the order, and S.C. paid $301.50 for the drugs.

On August 4, 2006, Branch completed a prescription form and recommended to TUCKER that S.C. receive Anastrozole. TUCKER authorized the prescription, which was faxed to APS.

On or about August 21, 2006, S.C. requested and received refills of the Testosterone Blend (ICED), Nandrolone Decanoate, two vials of Stanozolol, Anastrozole, and Vitamin B12.  J. Michael Bennett filled the order and S.C. was charged $294.50 for the drugs.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

early blogger

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by Kid Nate on Aug 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are like Obi Wan and Hayden Christiansen.

Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.

I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.

by Sam Cupitt on Aug 19, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're completely right

I wrote it last night and wanted to release it early today rather than it get buried by WEC coverage.

You can find it HERE

It details the players, the drugs, what they are used for, and how the whole thing went down and why Carwin’s name came out.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah hah!

So you’re the S.C. that is mentioned buying these drugs

by ace328 on Aug 19, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kid Nate does this to me on a regular basis

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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's why BE is a big site

I feel like that guy from the WIre who sat on the Hamsterdam story and then got beat to the punch.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah your piece was excellent

mine was just quick and dirty

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by Kid Nate on Aug 19, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does the age match up?

If so it reduces the coincidence factor by a fair bit

by IpullguardIRL on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

hmm

It seems Shane is about 35 right now making him about 31 in 2006, I ask because I hadn’t seen any reference to age before

by IpullguardIRL on Aug 19, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is no coincidence

The reason why his name wasn’t released in court documents is due to a court protective order.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

sheeeeeit, less than $500 a month? time to get some roids

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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 19, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

those are good prices. I might also add that he took more ‘roids than any athlete would need. Heck, that’s a good stack for a pro bodybuilder.

by NateDogg77 on Aug 19, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

2006 was a long time ago

Shane didn’t sign with UFC until the middle of 2008… If there ends up being no evidence that he received any PEDs after this, do we still crucify this guy? Personally, I know a lot of people who have tried this kind of stuff at some point in their life…

I’m not a Shane Carwin fan, but I’m certainly not going to demonize him if he took steroids 2 years before signing with the UFC. Dude was 1-0 fighting with “extreme wars” when this took place…

by flingom on Aug 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Exactly.

That is probably how Shane will handle this. If it’s true then he will admit to taking steroids when he started out but say that he’s been clean since signing with the UFC. The story will die on the vine.

by Reciprocity on Aug 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

^^

This

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by ludakrish on Aug 19, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think thats what hes sayin

I think he means that Carwin will use that to “soften” the blow. You’d be suprised how many people are going to say this is no big deal because he didn’t take them while in the UFC (read: casual dumbasses)

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by II SMASH II on Aug 19, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, I'm ok with it.

At the level Shane was at, he was working full time and fighting on the side in small local promotions. I’m not prepared to invalidate his UFc accomplishments based on that.

If you want to take the moral high ground and say that it was unfair to “Casey Jackson” or some of the other cans he fought in 2006, I won’t disagree. But at some point it becomes a “who cares” as far as I’m concerned. I want to feel like the fights I’m watching are legit, and these guys aren’t cheating the system and Cycling around drug tests. I can accept this news without ruining that perception.

by flingom on Aug 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lactic Acidosis.

Just sayin’.

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by Ozzz on Aug 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't be so bad if S.C. didn't have the good-guy mentality

I’m not knocking him for being a laid-back guy, but it does sort of go against the image he’s painted for himself. This, to me, doesn’t invalidate anything he’s done in the UFC (I mean why would it?), but the point is, he’s clearly not above cheating the sport. As is the case with a lot of fighters (most wouldn’t hesitate to take PEDs if they were in an organization with no testing at all). The only difference is, not all fighters have Shane’s personality type (the “I respect everyone and the sport of MMA” mentality). So while I don’t think this will hurt his UFC career by any means, it’s hard to imagine that it wont impact his image.

by Viewer 3 on Aug 19, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously.

Not to sound like troll, but there are many fighters with impossible levels of muscle. Proper cycle technique is, in my opinion, the only way these guys can look the way they do. Honestly, it’s not within the realm of possibility for someone to be 6’2" and 270 lbs cut without some PEDs being involved. Maybe I’ve just never seen superman in training, but this should just be common sense.

This is a serious issue when we start to see guys coming into MMA later in life and never having been tested. Pro Wrestling anyone? Maybe a World’s Strongest Man? Still, it’s not like it matters. Testing in MMA is so poor that we may as well be following Body Building.

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by rask4p on Aug 19, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

but you have to look at other sports to see how that isn’t really true. He is going to have the scarlet s with him for a while.

The way out of this, for all athletes, would be for all of the people who used 5 years ago when noone cared to come out and confess It’s hard to do that because of the legal repercussions, but as long as the athletes who used and haven’t been exposed stay quiet and hope their name doesn’t come out, the people that do get busted are fucked.

by Phildo on Aug 19, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

We better still cruxify him

I was up all night building this cross.

by simpsycho on Aug 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats some damning evidence to me righ there

I guess we’ll see what happens

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by II SMASH II on Aug 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If u look at him during that time he looked bigger than he does now.

by J smooth 420 on Aug 19, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Steroids increase lean muscle mass. He may be smaller because he’s lost body fat.

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by ludakrish on Aug 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

was

going to say the exact same thing

by BeeTrain on Aug 19, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. Look at his fight against Justice Smith

He was 285. He looked the same as he does now, in terms of body fat. He was 20-30 lb more muscle

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looked the same as…very arbitrary. Anyways, I was just replying to ‘J smooth 420’ (what’s with that name?) as to the reason steroids doesn’t translate into bulking up.

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by ludakrish on Aug 19, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went looking for this fight video, I was under the assumption that this is the same Justice Smith from WWE/American Gladiator fame. All the fight videos I found that show what is supposedly this fight is Shane beating a white guy, Sherdog has the fight record linked to a fighter record that has pictures of the correct Justice Smith who is black.

by JoeMimic on Aug 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah it was a White guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pntO7IoEEm0

That was the only fight in that period that was finished by punches.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s interesting because the other fight on that Justice Smith’s record is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVAuI0ZW-gA that fight which clearly isn’t the same fighter.

by JoeMimic on Aug 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two Justice Smiths

I remember Black Justice from WWF Tough Enough and was like “wow he fought Shane Carwin”.

Look at Carwin’s record. That can’t be any other fight. That’s not Rick Slaton or Rex Richards there and the rest are subs.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know, two totally different people. It’s just interesting finding something like that.

by JoeMimic on Aug 19, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks really really big there in my opinion as well.

by JoeMimic on Aug 19, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trenbolone Acetate

Stands out to me. The user does not retain water, but the side effects suck. It bulks you up quickly. I wonder how much hair Carwin had pre 2006? Trenbolone Acetate has often times resulted in hair loss.

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by Erich Vowell on Aug 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

He was on Tren and winstrol,lol. He must’ve been in pretty good shape, can anyone find pics from this time?

by stinkinburrows on Aug 19, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he got all that for $530.45 he got a good deal . Shit most of that stuff runs between 80 -120 a vial .

by mmawarrior on Aug 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Someone

knows a little too much about steroids…

by av1o3 on Aug 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew someone who sold .

by mmawarrior on Aug 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you were just holding it for a friend.

RIGHT. :-P

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by jemaleddin on Aug 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good price AND from a reputable source. Most stuff in circulation comes from weekend basement chemists

by nastyem on Aug 19, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

China, actually

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by Blackout612 on Aug 19, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly the raw materials do, yes. But it still gets processed into something usable by people mixing it in their laundry sink right next door or in Mexico.

by nastyem on Aug 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is because he got it legally. Well, quasi-legally, but through a legal, legitimate source regardless. No black market shit for product, and no black market prices.

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch Carwin’s fight with Carlton Jones in 2005 at WEC 17. He is still huge. If he did all of that he didn’t gain much IMO.

by Mirjitsu on Aug 19, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you insinuating that he might have gotten medications at some other point?

Egads! What could you base that on. That’s just conjecture, plain and simple.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it's conjecture

However, we know that Shane Carwin did not stop using on his own volition. Mr. Carwin stopped because his supplier was raided. He then took a year off of MMA and came back below 265 after being at 285 of pure muscle.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm blaming this on S.C.

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by splint on Aug 19, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Steroid Fatigue

Outside of baseball, where the geeks love their precious history more than they like actually watching the sport being played, I think sports fans of all kinds are pretty wrung out on steroid stories.

I’m a huge football fan, and I’m sorry if this makes me a bad person, but I just can’t be bothered to care about PEDs anymore. I support enhanced testing. I think punishments should be enforced. But if it turns out that Santana Moss was popping HGH like skittles, I’m not going to hold it against him.

I think we’ll see the same thing in MMA. Dana White will say “we have testing, we’re always looking for ways to get better, we punish people that violate the rules, but we’re dealing with what every sport in the world is dealing with as far as PEDs,” and it will blow over.

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by Monte Fisto on Aug 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Man Kyle Farnsworth is the best fighter there is in baseball.

His blast double leg and work from in the guard of Paul Wilson was beautiful.

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by pdl on Aug 19, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You shut your whore mouth!

Baseball is a game of fine margins that rewards the patient, thrills the astute, and endears the faithful.

If you don’t like baseball, I suggest you sign up for al Quaeda, STAT

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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I guess George was a terrorist

“I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything’s dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs – what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups – who’s up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog…
In baseball, if it rains, we don’t go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don’t know when it’s gonna end – might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we’ve got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there’s kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there’s not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you’re capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! – I hope I’ll be safe at home!"

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people would say the Master was a terrorist

I just hate people who say baseball is boring. Its just the trendy thing to say. You know what else is boring if you don’t understand it? MMA.

I also love football, specifically college football above all other sports. But there’s a special place in my heart for summer nights at the ballpark.

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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

To me it’s not boring if I’m playing, but I can’t sit through an entire baseball game. Same goes for golf and hockey.

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with you man. Baseball is only tolerable for me if I’m actually at the game.

Being at the game for me means I enter the stadium at the start of the 3rd and I’m leaving at the top of the 8th.

Watching baseball on TV is excruciating.

by nastyem on Aug 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve tried to. I have LSU literally in my back yard. They play with aluminum bats and invented gorilla ball (which just meant they hit a lot of home runs). Unless they’re in the CWS I don’t watch, and even then I’m usually playing a video game when it’s on.

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calling baseball boring isn't a trend

People have been saying it forever.

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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, George was being pro Baseball – that makes him the opposite of a terrorist…

by jhf884 on Aug 19, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was so much for or against baseball...

…from what I can tell he didn’t actually like sports. Linguistics was his game.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 20, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you read what I wrote?

I don’t think you did. Sniff.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 19, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me? I saw it, but I’m trying to get in with the cool kids and they want me to make a Shut the fuck up Gif for you so I shouldn’t reply. But we can still be freinds when they’re not around!

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's okay. I know how it is.

Sniff.

(Though I was actually talking to the guy who called me a whore. Sniff.)

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by jemaleddin on Aug 19, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read what you wrote. As a baseball geek, this was my moment in an early 90s sitcom (think “Family Matters”) where I finally gave the big bully a piece of my mind!

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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I'm a big bully?

Huh. Sweet.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 20, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about now?

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by jemaleddin on Aug 19, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, the invention of internet porn takes the steam out of that.

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused

Does Internet Porn remind you of baseball? Huh?

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by jemaleddin on Aug 19, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cute busty asian chicks do not enhance baseball because of the invention of internet porn. Better?

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I think cute busty Asian chicks enhance pretty much everything.

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by jemaleddin on Aug 20, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

“[W]here the geeks love their precious history more than they like actually watching the sport being played, I think sports fans of all kinds are pretty wrung out on steroid stories.”

Most “geeks” (I assume you mean stat heads and sabremetric types) have never cared much about the steroid controversy. All the ruckus comes from indignant sports writers looking for a Shane Carwin high horse.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, I meant for. They’re looking for an issue they can use to climb up on a horse. Not a great usage.

by Mike Fagan on Aug 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My question mark was missing

But yeah, I get what you’re saying now.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a DC-area guy, I'm thinking specifically of Thomas Boswell

who is both stat head/sabremetric type AND an indignant sports writer. Baseball poets annoy the crap out of me.

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by Monte Fisto on Aug 19, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly how I feel about

I don’t know if it’s just that I’ve been desensitized to it or if I just sincerely don’t care anymore, but it’s pretty hard for mento get worked up about the issue.

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by Worldisart on Aug 19, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Steroid.com is a good source for information about specific steroids since they actually provide references to the academic literature as well as personal descriptions of results. I can’t find anything about the testosterone blend “ICED” so I don’t know what’s in it. For the others…

Anastrozole (a.k.a. Arimidex):

Arimidex (Anastrozole) is what we call an aromatase inhibitor (AI). In clinical use, it´s used to halt the progression of Breast Cancer in women. It works by blocking the aromatase enzyme, which is responsible for the production of estrogen. In athletics and bodybuilding, it is used as an ancillary compound to be added to a cycle of Anabolic Steroids. In this respect it is also used for its estrogen reducing properties, but it has the additional benefit of increasing testosterone levels, as we´ll see…

Stanazolol (a.k.a. Winstrol):

Winstrol – Stanozolol is a very commonly used anabolic steroid for cutting cycles. While many people will attempt to use Dianabol or even Anadrol for cutting cycles, I´ve really never heard of anyone using Stanozolol for anything except a cutting cycle. It´s a bit of a one-trick-pony in this respect. Let me repeat that: Stanozolol is a cutting drug. Not many people will argue for its use in a bulking cycle. It´s certainly not a very effective compound for treating anemia (1) and thus, one could rightly assume that its role in bulking cycles is very limited. One novel use for Winstrol in any cycle (perhaps even bulking) would be to use it at a very limited dose, in order to lower SHBG. (2) One of the properties of Winstrol is it´s profound ability to lower SHBG much more than other steroids. A dose of .2mg/kg lowered SHBG significantly, which would in turn, raise the amount of free testosterone circulating in the body. As with 99% of steroids, however, it´s important to note that suppression of your natural hormonal levels will occur (though perhaps not to the extent that it will with many other steroids).(10) As with running virtually any compound, testosterone supplementation (i.e. running test in a cycle containing Winstrol) is warranted to avoid possible sexual dysfunction.

Trenbolone acetate (a.k.a. Finaplix or Finaplex):

Trenbolone is similar to the highly popular steroid nandrolone, in that they are both 19-nor steroids, meaning that a testosterone molecule has been altered at the 19th position to give us a new compound. Unlike nandrolone however trenbolone is an excellent mass and hardening drug with the majority of gains being muscle fiber, with minimal water retention (1) It has an unbelievable anabolic (muscle building) score of 500. When you compare that to testosterone, which itself is a powerful mass builder, and has an anabolic score of 100 you can begin to fathom the muscle building potential of trenbolone. What makes trenbolone so anabolic? Numerous factors come into play. Trenbolone greatly increases the level of the extremely anabolic hormone IGF-1 within muscle tissue (2). And, it´s worth noting that not only does it increase the levels of IGF-1 in muscle over two fold, it also causes muscle satellite cells (cells that repair damaged muscle) to be more sensitive to IGF-1 and other growth factors(3). The amount of DNA per muscle cell may also be significantly increased (3).

Tren would make sense as a bulking agent for a guy who cuts to make weight, since it doesn’t cause the water-retention that’s experienced with many AAS. Arimidex (anastrozol) was probably used as an estrogen blocker; it wouldn’t be needed with Tren, but may have made sense if he did a cycle of Tren with the test blend. The Arimidex may have instead been taken with the stanazolol (Winstrol) during a cutting cycle as he was preparing for a fight and had to make weight.

by mma_critic on Aug 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

anastrozol also prevents Gynecomastia (bitch tits like bob)

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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 19, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's because it's an estrogen blocker

Estrogens are female sex hormones. Androgens are male sex hormones.

by mma_critic on Aug 19, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i know man

i was just sayin the fact that he wasn’t cutting weight wouldn’t affect whether or not he needed it. because it seems that’s what s.c. michaelson was sayin.

plus since this whole scandal broke i’ve been wanting to use the bob had bitch tits reference from fight club

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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

S.C. was responding to my conjecture about the likely cycle, and I mentioned the stanazolol being used to cut to 265.

He’d need the anastrozol with the test blend or stanazolol, but not the tren.

by mma_critic on Aug 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

That makes these look like a strange combination for a guy who’s not cutting weight, unless he knew at the time that he was planning on dropping to HW.

by mma_critic on Aug 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t find anything about the testosterone blend "ICED" so I don’t know what’s in it.

its either omnadren (testosterone blend of 30 mg testosterone propionate, 60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg testosterone isohexanoate, 100 mg testosterone hexanoate)

testoject 4x testosterone blend (Aquaviron Testosterone Suspension) which would explain the arimidex because Although this drug is very effective for building muscle mass, its side effects are also very extreme. The testosterone in this compound will convert to estrogen very quickly, and has a reputation of being the worst testosterone to use when wishing to avoid water bloat. Gynocomastia is also seen very quickly with this drug, and quite often cannot be used without an anti-estrogen. Blood pressure and kidney functions should also be looked at during heavy use.

or possibly sustanon which is a steroid blend consisting of Testosterone Propionate Ph Eur 30mg, Testosterone Phenylpropionate BP. 60mg, Testosterone Iscaproate BP. 60mg, Testosterone Decanoate BP 100mg

Sustanon 250 is a very popular steroid which is highly appreciated by it,s users since it offers several advantages when compared with other testosterone compounds. Sustanon is a mixture of 4 different testosterones which based on the well timed composition, have a synergetic effect. This special feature has positive characteristics for the athlete.The effect or the 4 Testosterones is time released so that Sustanon goes rapidly into the system and remains effective in the body for several weeks. Due to the propionate also included in the steroid, Sustanon is effective after one day and, based on the mixed in decanoates, remain active for 3-4 weeks. Sustanon has a distinct androgenic effect which is coupled with a strong anabolic effect. Therefore it is well suited to build up strength and mass. A rapid increase in body strength and an even increase in body weight occur. Athletes who use Sustanon report a solid muscle growth since it results in less water retention and also aromatizes less than either testosterone enanthate or Cypionate.

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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 19, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any chance it’s a blend of test cypionate, test enanthate, test decanoate, and test isohexanoate or test iscaproate? That would give us the acronym ICED, and I did find some test blends online that combine some of those.

by mma_critic on Aug 19, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I can tell it’s testosterone that wasn’t produced in Shane Carwin’s testicles and that’s the only part that matters in this discussion :)

by nastyem on Aug 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm if you look up the side effects of Stanozolol, the side effects include a dramatic decrease in cardio and an increase in punching power.

by kanodogg on Aug 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Isn’t that what James Toney got busted for too?

by kid_eh on Aug 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toney was taking steroids for a legit bicep tear. The guy thinks he could beat King Kong! A look at him around that time would stop anyone taking roids if he was on the gear.

by sheikybaby on Aug 19, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

it still boggles my mind

How nonchalant most fans and media have been about this story. Now I’m not saying we should all rush to judgement and lynch mob Shane Carwin or anything, but still. There is a lack of “give a crap” surrounding this story that is almost surreal. I wonder if its because of Carwin, the heavyweight division, sports in general…I just don’t know.

Point is, we have a HUGE double standard when it comes to steroid allegations like this. If this was the exact same story in every regard except the fighters initals were “G.S.P” do you think we’d all be so ho hum about it?

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by hobbie on Aug 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Shane got those for pretty cheap. In comparison, 1 cycle of Stanozolol (Winstrol horse steroid) is about $350 street value. Stanozolol is used for definition and not necessary bulk (correct me if I’m wrong), but can add size.

by DayGeaux on Aug 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Stanozolol is used for definition and not necessary bulk (correct me if I’m wrong), but can add size.

Correct. You can read the link I posted above to confirm.

by mma_critic on Aug 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats carzy is

every1 was on the carwin band wagon saying he is a good guy, he is a family man, he loves the fans…the the past few months he has been cussing ppl out, making excuses about everything, and now this!!! he is calling roy nelson fat on tweeter lol..wich doesnt hurt nelson feelings but it just shows that carwin is a duesh.

by prodigymma on Aug 19, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I never was on that bandwagon

In fact I layed out the police spikes

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

The way you explain it, it sounds like he’s back on the roids.

by av1o3 on Aug 19, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Its all good, it was 2006, I thought he was a legit Doctor and business with a legit perscription being given…Im a victim too!!!! I’m Sorry it wont ever happen again, I promise”.

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by Chiggs on Aug 19, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

What will really blow your mind is what is considered legal and what is illegal. Lets take an older gentleman say someone like Randy Couture who receives treatment by his doctor to maintain his health youth and athletic ability. Well its no secret that it is very common to be prescribed a testosterone and HGH therapy to maintain health. Yes its very common nowadays and certain doctors and patients view it as the fountain of youth, including such celebrities as Syllvester Stallone. So is it ok for an older athlete to do certain things because it is being prescribed and is legal. Oh and beating a test is a joke just look around the web and find out what you need to do.

by nsiegel on Aug 19, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is the way the world goes. People have had to pull out of fights because they didn’t stop taking their prescription ADHD in enough time to clear his system before his fight. A hockey player once had to pull out of the world championships because he was taking a hair loss drug that is on the WADA banned list, but there was no NHL punishment because it’s not on their bad list.

There has to be a line somewhere. We can argue about where that line should be, but you can’t just say, “who draws the line? let’s allow everything.”

by Phildo on Aug 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that should be prescription adhd medicine, I don’t think it’s possible to prescribe the disease.

by Phildo on Aug 19, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy takes his drugs to keep his testosterone within NORMAL ranges

A roider’’s range will be much higher.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

The legal limits are typically 2x or 4x “normal” healthy levels. Not sure about the various AC’s standards for MMA…

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 19, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy still tests within range

When i said normal, I meant within commission rules.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

bob has bitch tits

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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 19, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

From Twitter

cornflake12z: @ShaneCarwin are u atleast gonna give the fans a statement about the whole scandal situation?

ShaneCarwin: @cornflake12z I am fighting that fight currently. Being told I cant I however feel like I should.

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by IKilled007 on Aug 19, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

got this from a reader via email
I’ve been bodybuilding for many years and have been lifting for over 25ys and am very familar with these compounds as I have used them all at one time or another. The testorsterone blend I am assuming is more commonly referred to as “Sustanon” in the bodybuilding community (Unless this is a special pharmacy blend). This is a blend of four different types of testosterone all with different release times. Trenbolone Acetate, otherwise known as just “Tren” is also a steroid. Some people say it can increase aggresion, which I am somewhat skeptical of that assertion. It’s typically used as a hardening agent. Stanozolol, otherwise known as “Winstrol”. It is typically added along with a “stack” to help with body fat loss (assuming diet is in order) and hardening agent. It can make the joints a little sore as it will pull subcutaneous water from the surrounding tissues and joints. HGH or human growth hormone will help with the healing and recovery process. Nandrolone Decanoate or “Deca” can help with joint pain as it does provide additional fluid in the joints. Anastrozole is used to block the conversion of aromatizable steroids to estrogen. To much estrogen in the male body is going to give you bitch tits or more commonly known as “gynecomastia”, something you don’t want as a guy. As far as how this will help a fighter, #1 the obviously size gains with this type of stack are going to be significant. #2 In taking testosterone you will have increased aggresion as well as an increase in Red Blood Cells, RBC carry oxygen, the more you have the more oxygen you can get to the muscle. Growth Hormone will have more a long term benefit in helping the body heal.

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by Kid Nate on Aug 19, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

That info is in my article

well most of it. LOL

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

To much estrogen in the male body is going to give you bitch titsgynecomastia or more commonly known as "gynecomastia"bitch tits

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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 19, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

2006 not that long ago

I tend to disagree with the fact that it was 2006 had nothing to do with him getting into the ufc because with out the undefeated record from 06-08,would the ufc even gave him a chance?I also believe that the steroids may have been out of the system by 2008 but you can’t tell me that the strength and size advantages that you gain from that amount of steroids would dissipate in only two years or even four , the only way that could happen is if he decided to stop working out or training and got into drinking and other drugs, it doesn’t look like that happened. If S.C. is shane carwin and he can afford all those steroids and hgh don’t you think you could afford the best masking agents on the market?(and I’m just saying but not saying that those prices are pretty close to street prices, but I must have heard that on T.V. or something like that);)

by a-bombizzle on Aug 19, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure S.C. stands for...

Scott Coker.
Hasn’t anyone else notice how much he’s ballooned since 2006?

by TorQus on Aug 19, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

BE reader ManFromEastVan emails:
As for the anabolic steroid stack that SC received, I recommend doing a little reading at http://www.steroid.com. As a scientist and as an athlete, I can verify that the information over there is correct. Trenbolone is an extremely powerful injectable anabolic compound that will provide massive size and strength gains with minimal water retention. It is anecdotally reported to decrease cardiovascular endurance, which is interesting with regards to what happened in the Lesnar fight. It will definitely shut down your body’s natural testosterone production, so it is always stacked with some kind of testosterone in order to prevent sexual dysfunction. In SC’s case, a testosterone blend was used; this is likely a mixture of different testosterone esters that will have different rates of metabolism in the body. You can think of it as a mixture of shorter and longer acting compounds with similar physiological effects. The primary role of HGH in the stack is to greatly increase muscular recovery; it is NOT a particularly good compound for building strength (contrary to popular belief). I’ve been prescribed HGH to help recover from a muscle tear, and it does amazing things to your body’s ability to recover, but I did not experience any siginificant size or strength gains while using it. Stanozolol (commonly known as Winstrol) is another anabolic steroid used primarily as a cutting agent. This is the same compound Ben Johnson tested positive for. Anastrozole is used to prevent the excess testosterone in the body from being aromatized into estrogen, which would produce several negative side effects for a male athlete (water retention, gynecomastia or “bitch tits”, etc).

The combination of all of these drugs would be a reasonable stack for a fight, particularly for a heavyweight that needs to cut to make 265. The stack would provide massive strength gains while minimizing water retention, which would be a critical factor regarding making weight for the fight.

It’s hard to comment on the price of all of this as he may have received a “friend discount” and it’s difficult to estimate what the overhead on an underground lab might be or what the size of the vials were. The $$$ seems a little low to me, but not unreasonable as YMMV with these types of products.

 I have graduate degrees in both chemistry and forensic science, and one of my areas of expertise is PED usage and testing. I’ve also been training in powerlifting, kickboxing and MMA for about 15 years and I have seen extensive PED usage by many top level athletes with my own eyes.

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by Kid Nate on Aug 19, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Carwin wasn't cutting whilel getting these steroids

He fought at super HW at 285-290

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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 19, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might as well put that on your tombstone...

…cause you’ve had to post it like 40 times. Maybe if you just stuck it in your sig?

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by jemaleddin on Aug 20, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

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