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Has Daniel Cormier become the #1 heavyweight prospect in the sport? Photo by Esther Lin, Strikeforce.

This past weekend's bevy of regional mixed martial arts action wasn't what many fans would call significant in terms of relevance to the overall landscape of the sport. Struggling former UFC veterans Tim Sylvia, Joe Riggs, Paul Buentello, and Jens Pulver headlined the more appealing cards this weekend with a supporting cast of local prospects aiming to impress anyone willing to buy a ticket or tune in to watch. But hidden beneath the laundry list of match-ups between individuals that many fans have never heard of or had no desire to watch was one gem that may have some implications in the world of heavyweight mixed martial arts.

King of the Cage's Imminent Danger card didn't look like anything more than a showcase event for prospects. Quinn Mulhern, Bobby Green, Tyler East, and Trevor Mellen picked up predictable wins to give more credence to the notion that they belong in bigger fights. While some of those match-ups did have a slight level of risk, even those types of battles are entertaining to watch simply because mixed martial arts is one of the only sports in the world in which a heavy underdog can win. See Mike Russow vs. Todd Duffee for reference.

One bout did happen to stand out on this card before either combatant entered the cage, and while it took place on a small regional card set in Mescalero, New Mexico -- its outcome may have been much more significant in retrospect than anyone watching may have anticipated.

Daniel Cormier vs. Tony Johnson Jr. won't go down in the annals of mixed martial arts folklore as a battle of monumental importance, but Cormier's two minute and twenty-seven second submission of Johnson gives us some insight into the developmental levels of MMA's heavyweight division. Not only in the context of both Cormier and Johnson's own personal development, but in the context of how well mixed martial arts is producing heavyweight talent.

A little background is needed because this may have possibly been one of the best non-UFC or Strikeforce showdowns that featured two absolutely terrifying wrestlers in their prime. Cormier, of course, was a high school All-American, two-time JuCo national champion, NCAA runner-up, 2004 and 2008 Olympic wrestler, and 2007 World Championships bronze medalist. There aren't too many other wrestlers in the sport with Cormier's credentials on a world level, and he's actually added a powerful punch to his arsenal to make him quite threatening.

Tony Johnson Jr. will more than likely top our up-and-coming heavyweight prospect list, mainly due to the fact that he's one of the lone bright spots in a sparse division who tips the scales at 265 pounds. He also happens to have a heavily-credentialed wrestling background that had numerous schools vying for his skills. Choosing Iowa State because he was given a full ride in both wrestling and football, Johnson was on the radar of not only becoming a NCAA wrestling champion, but potentially becoming a freakishly quick lineman in the NFL. Johnson stated in an interview with FiveKnuckles.com that he was running a 4.7 second, 40 yard dash while tipping the scales at 320 pounds. He even had an agent ready to begin fielding offers from the various teams in the NFL.

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So, why haven't we heard of this super athlete dominating the ranks of the NCAA or punishing quarterbacks in the NFL? A pregnant wife and a new addition to the family sidelined his own dreams in pursuit of supporting his family. Johnson left school and worked for three years before finding mixed martial arts through an instructor his supervisor knew at the time.

We'll never know exactly what Tony Johnson Jr. could have accomplished in college, but he did his fair share of proving himself in the world wrestling circuit. The potential is there for him to be quite dominant in his mixed martial arts career, and last Friday night's contest gave us a cursory glance at that potential along with some of the problems he'll need to fix. Athletically, he has what it takes to be an explosive, threatening competitor, but his technical prowess off his back is definitely a weakness.

The bigger picture, however, is that both Cormier and Johnson Jr. may be the only real heavyweight prospects in the entire world right now, and Cormier's quick victory surely solidifies him as the top prospect. Furthermore, both men are relatively new to the sport, something that we see as a common trait among prospective heavyweights. When is the last time we saw a showdown between two of a division's top prospects happen so quickly? I'm sure everyone can conjure up a guess or do some research, but we often wait a lot longer than four or five fights into one's career. I think that shows the lack of talent the division is producing these days. Four fights into your career, and you're in one of the most important fights of your career? Yep.

I've asked why there is such a lack of talent in the heaviest weight class in the past, and most of the answers revolved around the biggest men in the world being lured to other physical sports like football. It makes sense that those potential fighters would look toward greener pastures. This effectively limits the heavyweight talent pool in comparison to other divisions. It also creates these very significant battles at early stages in a fighter's career.

I feel a little sympathy for where Tony Johnson Jr. sits right now. Daniel Cormier isn't truly on anyone's radar in terms of being a future champion, but he probably should be a consideration as a potential challenger in the upper echelon of Strikeforce's division in the next year. Where does that leave Johnson Jr., quite possibly one of the best pure heavyweight athletes?

In a division as shallow as the heavyweight division, the loss doesn't hurt him, but it surely can't help him. He needs seasoning, and the shallowness of the division may cause him to be thrown into the shark tank early as a bigger promotion snatches him up. On the other hand, the loss could put him on the back burner until he can put together a solid string of wins. Fortunately for Johnson Jr., it shouldn't be too hard.

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This is a damn good post, had no idea that Johnson was such a talent. I did think he looked good against Cormier until he got taken down.

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by Renny on Aug 19, 2010 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

He does, but he’s still in prospect mode with them. Hence why I think he can compete at the top of their heavyweight pool next year.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you mean Cormier, Leland?

cause the guy is asking about Johnson who is only with KOTC to my knowledge.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 19, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if he was with Strikeforce, how many fights would they book him anyways. Their moderately recognizable stars are complaining about their lack of fights let alone any of their prospects. Unless they can throw him in a bunch of challenger shows he’s not going to get much experience.

by YoungGun on Aug 19, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, my bad. Yeah, meant Cormier.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I don't see what your seeing in Johnson

Cormier looked like he was having a sparring session down at AKA with him, he barely broke a sweat and Johnsons defense both standing and on the ground looked extremely porous. He looks like he has many years and 9 or 10 fights to get to where he could even be competitive at the upper top 50. While Cormier looks like an absolute animal that could fight for a title in the next fight.

by SimplePsych on Aug 19, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Johnson is very explosive, and there was a glimpse of that. But you could tell Cormier’s wrestling was on a different level, specifically when they hit the fence and Cormier was able to leverage his body enough to get the top position.

Johnson also looked about 10 times better in terms of physical shape than when he fought Tony Lopez. You’re definitely underestimating him, and he’s with one of the best camps out there. Only 6 fights. He’s at the top of the list IMO, and there really isn’t anyone else out there. Most prospects hover at 230-240, and that’s a tough sell for me.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cormier is the best heavy weight prospect in the world right now, his game seems to be getting better every time he fights which is like every other week these days. That head kick he throwed showed a lot of confidence and I couldn’t imagine guys like Lesnar or Carwin coming close to putting one in a fight. He’s looking a lot more fluid in his entire game and it’s only a matter of time before he gets himself into the top 10.

I think Cormier could beat a guy like Lesnar, even at this stage in his career. No wonder he’s -1350 in his next fight.

by Donk696 on Aug 19, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the next year is going to expose once again this "size myth" that various writers and fans jump on

You have Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos and now Cormier and others that will be having some big fights upcoming that will I think once again dispel the “you must be huge” myth that pops up whenever a few guys come along and have any measure of success. Granted, there are 2 guys right near the top that are 265, but does this mean now that everyone must be 265 to be at the top or dominate?. How many times has this happened before?. I will never forget when everyone thought Dan Severn was going to run over everyone because he was a 260lbs wrestler, then Mark Coleman, then Mark Kerr, then Bob Sapp, then Tim Sylvia. They were all brought back down to earth by guess who?, smaller heavyweights!. In another year when all these talented 240lb’ers are cleaning house I wonder if some genius writer will write “Will the super hulk MMA fighters ever be relevant again?”

by SimplePsych on Aug 19, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think Velasquez has the wrestling pedigree in combination with the striking prowess to be a real threat. I think Cormier gets beat, and I think Dos Santos does as well against the behemoth guys.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And by the term behemoth your speaking of Lesnar and Carwin?

Because who else is there beyond them?. Rogers, Overeem, Mir, Russow and Duffee?. I mean none of them can be considered since none cut weight and they hover around 250. Cormier is 248 and Cain is saying he is the hardest guy in MMA to take down and he hasn’t been able to, You saw what Johnson could do which was nothing. Both Gonzaga and Nelson couldn’t come close to taking JDS down.

Its gonna be an interesting year but I wont be surprised to see the 2 behemoths down a few pegs at the end of it. Especially after they fight each other again.

by SimplePsych on Aug 20, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overeem is probably the best out of the bunch, and Overeem can hit 265 pretty easily and remain very dangerous. Cormier’s wrestling is the ultimate counterbalance to the weight issue, as evident against Johnson. Gonzaga and Nelson aren’t Olympic-level wrestlers either.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 20, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

what about the guys in the Bellator tournament?

Cole Konrad would beg to differ with you about Cormier being the only top prospect in the division.
And Grabowski might be promising as well, don’t you think?

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 19, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Konrad doesn’t have the same athleticism that Johnson has, or the knockout power that Cormier has. Grabowski is like 240 bs, which means he’s too small to be Leland’s top heavyweight prospect.
 Cormier is something else, especially with his progression as a mixed martial artist, despite his wrestling pedigree, if you watch his debut or his fights versus Devine and Johnson he’s looking for the KO, and he’s getting way more confidence with every fight

by Robert V-U on Aug 19, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Konrad has potential, but I’m a bit weary of him. He somewhat seems to have that style that would really hinder him getting to the top. Likes to wear on guys from the top.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interested in seeing what you come up with

Because the UFC, Strikeforce and Bellator have pretty much signed up all the heavyweight talent out their

of our site’s top four HW prospects Konard, Grabowski and Johnson. TJ is the only one unsigned to a major org

Its thin out there, about a month ago was really excited to discover Christian Morecraft (23, good rec, comes from solid camp, great size) few days later Joe Silva snatches him up to the UFC

You just went from prospect to UFC rookie in a blink of a eye.

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by ultmma on Aug 20, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

We aren’t looking at anyone who has been signed to a major organization. And to be perfectly honest, the Polish infusion of talent is great and all… but they do lack the training. The guys who actually come to the States and train have a major benefit over the mainland Polish fighters, and as we saw last night — Grabowski is by no means a killer in the division.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 20, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Their behind the eight ball still….. Grabowski bulked up for this tournament, he was never considered a big HW.

No killer, but I don’t see a killer in that BFC field. I think the Barrett vs. Grabowski on paper was the top fight of round one. Barrett is underrated

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by ultmma on Aug 20, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ignoring the "Little Man Syndrome", are we?

About the lack of HW talent… I refuse to believe that the only reason for the lack of heavyweight-fighters is “more money elsewhere”. That may be part of the answer, but hardly all of it? I think another part of it is that there just are more small guys that WANT to fight. I mean, come on, it`s not like the little guys are making any money fighting as it is?

Here`s a question for you all. If you go to a gym where they practise MMA, boxing, BJJ or just about any other martial art, would the “typical” practioner be above, or below average height/size (and being fat is not the same as being “big”, just to clarify)?

And if you practise a martial art, please don`t just look at yourself and say: “No I`m not. And You, mr Muffin is both very wrong and a seriously retarded person!” You may very well say that, but only after you`ve gone to your gym and taken a serious look around at the others there.

If you still think I`m both wrong and retarded? Fine by me.

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by BlueberryMuffin on Aug 20, 2010 3:42 AM EDT reply actions  

For reference

I train at a recognized MMA gym with a good number of both casual practitioners and professionals. I’d say that while there are a wide variety of individuals and body types represented, almost all the serious guys who are actually booking fights are around LHW. Not very many truly big heavyweight guys, but also not very many guys in lighter weight classes. I’m 185 myself, and I’m shrimpy compared to most of the guys with pro fight records.

That’s just my anecdote, of course. As for your comment that you “refuse to believe” HW athletes are pursuing higher paying opportunities, not saying your wrong, but is there any particular reason you think that? It seems perfectly reasonable to me that a guy who is a good athletic heavyweight might choose to give up pursuing an MMA career if he knows he can make 10 times as much by playing football instead.

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by CasualMMAFan on Aug 20, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I`m not really saying that bigger pay-days aren`t a reason for choosing other sports, I just don`t think it`s the only reason for lack of big-guys. I think mentality matters too (See: big dog vs small dog).

I even believe that, to some, the risk might matter. For instance, if you get punched in the face by a 145-pound-guy, the risk od permanent damage is considerably smaller than if you get hit by a guy like TODDDUFFEE or Junior Dos Santos.

I also firmly believe that if you weigh 265, have been significantly bigger than just about anyone around you all your life… and you suddenly want to fight guys your own size… you have a rather unusal mind-set.

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by BlueberryMuffin on Aug 20, 2010 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You also have to consider that there aren’t many 265+ dudes in the world. There are a lot more 150-200 pounds guys around, so there are going to be more (and better) fighters at those lower weights.

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by crazybones on Aug 20, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are other reasons as well, but this was the issue many people brought up so I thought I’d address it. If you are an athletic guy at 265+, there’s a chance you’ve been involved at an elite level in other sports. It does take away from the talent pool, but not completely. Obviously, the rarity of sizable fighters in that range is also a culprit.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 20, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do believe that "little man syndrome" is a factor as well

but more money will bring in more big athletes as well.

by truck on Aug 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Find a good big guy is hard

I think football takes a way some of the talent pool of fighters since the pay is better for top level talent and playing football is easier than being a fighter.

I am a HW wrestling coach it it can be very difficult to get big guys to even come out and try to wrestle. I dont know if it is too scary for them or too much work but I have to scarp by with one or two guys a year.

 Another problem is that most big guys suck at wrestling and/or fighting and it can be very difficult to do all of the training required to get good.

by Darren Watkins on Aug 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I never thought about the training aspect of it, but that’s a good point. Tough to find other big guys to help you progress.

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