Shane Carwin Twitter Feuds With Roy Nelson But Still No Statement on Steroids
We documented the twitter back and forth between Roy Nelson and Shane Carwin yesterday, in case you missed it:
Roy Nelson - "Just woke up and was reading the mma news websites and only one had real news ufc champ shane carwin steroids court case. I am surprised that athletes in mma do steroids ;( that explains body types."
Shane Carwin - "I love Roy Nelson trying to elevate his status by talking smacks. Hopefully he is doing so on a treadmil. Some have rolls he has a bakery."
Today Nelson raises the ante a tiny bit by retweeting a couple of fan tweets:
axemaster How can @shanecarwin even begin 2 talk shit bout @roynelsonmma while hes in the middle of a steriod scandal? Roy may eat but he don't cheat.
katchphraze @roynelsonmma is bang on. Before carwin comments on roy nelson he should make a formal statement.
Meanwhile Carwin has the following exchange with a fan:
cornflake12z @ShaneCarwin are u atleast gonna give the fans a statement about the whole scandal situation?
ShaneCarwin @cornflake12z I am fighting that fight currently. Being told I cant I however feel like I should.
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Nelson's concerns are that of anyone else. Will the "real MMA media" start to dig in and look into these charges or will they remain silent? MMAWeekly still has only the original article written days ago stating the release of Carwin's name. MMAJunkie is the same. Both stories are deep on the front page. Yahoo's MMA coverage has nothing on the front page, yet it has a story about a fake wrestler dying (which is tragic, but doesn't even mention MMA or the UFC at all). Cage Potato, like the rest, also has the same original story (not appearing on the front page) about Carwin's alleged ties to the illegal steroid ring. ESPN's Jake Rossen has an article which does appear in the top 5 stories section. The same blog also appears on Sherdog.com's front page. This is the only story on any of the major MMA websites that even offers editorial commentary on the issue.
So why the hush? Is it because they don't want to jump on a story without having "all sides of the issue"? I could understand that, however, there are a few problems with that. The first is that it is clear that Carwin is not responding in a timely manner. When the A-Rod steroid connection broke out, a statement was released by Rodriguez's PR people within a 72 hour timeframe. The second is that even in the absence of an immediate response, the media in mainstream sports still editorialize and still comment on the possible implications of the event. ESPN had an "Outside the Lines" ready to go within a day for every major scandal that breaks out. Just look at the Tiger Woods story. The third, and most damning in my opinion, is that we already have most of the facts that we need.
Yes, Shane Carwin has not failed a drug test that we know of. However, according to the evidence that was procured during a federal investigation of an illegal steroid ring which ended in the indictment and prosecution of several men, we are told that Shane Carwin was the recipient of Trenbolone, Testosterone, injectable Stanozolol and Nandrolene, all steroids. The evidence states that he received them for an 8 month period in 2006 while he was actively an MMA fighter. Does this mean 100% that Shane Carwin used steroids? No, but if he did not then what did he do with them?
Matthew DiRienzio has a theory why the MMA media is so silent:
However, I believe the main reason MMA websites and blogs aren't covering this story is because no one really cares. Not the fans, not the press and probably not the UFC. We now live in an age where finding out an elite athlete is on steroids is like finding out that water is wet. There is no surprise or shock anymore when a story breaks that "[insert name] has tested positive for PEDS" or "[insert name] has been linked to a federal investigation looking into a doctor or pharmacist who illegally distributed steroids". People now only care now when you lie about taking them. Has anyone noticed that liars like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are still getting killed by the federal government and press alike but athletes that have come clean (to an extent) like Andy Pettite and Alex Rodriguez have generally been overlooked after the initial story broke?
In my opinion, most media members and fans believe that all athletes are on or have taken some form for performance enhancing drugs and we have all got to the point where we just don't care. We all love touchdowns, dunks, goals, dingers and knockouts and we don't care what athletes have to do or take to make them happen more frequently. It is no coincidence that Major League Baseball enjoyed a time of great prosperity in the late 90's and early 2000's when PED users like Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa where crushing balls out of the park at an alarming frequency. We were getting too much satisfaction to care that what we were witnessing may not have been accomplished without a little (illegal) help.
I have to agree. The unspoken assumption among many MMA insiders is that PED use is prevalent if not universal among professional mixed martial artists. There is controversy about the actual health risk of steroids and a recognition that the testing regimes currently used by even the best state athletic commissions is woefully inadequate.
Nevertheless, Carwin is evolving from a babyface to a heel and he's accelerating that process dramatically by taking cheapshots at Roy Nelson while dodging the steroids issue.
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Carwin is evolving from a babyface to a heel and he’s accelerating that process dramatically by taking cheapshots at Roy Nelson while dodging the steroids issue.
Yes. And I agree with this as a reason for the apathy, as well:
The unspoken assumption among many MMA insiders is that PED use is prevalent if not universal among professional mixed martial artists.
I am curious to hear what Carwin says/is allowed to say about the steriods, though. If he says anything at all.
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I don't think he'll say much
I suspect this story will die on the vine.
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I agree
I think that Carwin might lose some fans, but it won’t be anything near the level of MLB steroid scandals.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 18, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
...is a fantastic influence on this sport.
By the way, I think Shane looks better now than when he had hair.
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by II SMASH II on Aug 18, 2010 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm of the mind people don't care
And I actually had a similar conversation about it in the comments of a different article yesterday.
Sports fans as a whole are pretty desensitized to the issue of PEDs, the assumption is that everyone is doing it so why act shocked when someone gets caught? The same woefully inadequate testing regimen that exists in MMA exists in the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc… and serves only as window dressing to belie the fact that the higher powers in all these sports enable their players to do what it takes to be the best, up to and including the use of PEDs.
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Well, I care.
And some others obviously care – there are a lot of “Hey @ShaneCarwin, what’s the deal?” tweets out there.
The real reason for the general media silence probably has more to do with preserving access with the UFC. The only sites willing to discuss the issue seem to be the ones that don’t have any access. Anybody at BE sought comments from the UFC?
As for the supposed “controversy” about the dangers of steroid use, I’ll just link to Brock Lesnar’s preferred hospital’s discussion on the topic.
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I'm with you. I don't want fighters to be roided up either. Below is just for the mayo clinic part
If taken correctly (which is often not the case) steroids can be beneficial. Prominent breasts, Baldness, Shrunken testicles, Infertility, Severe acne, and Liver abnormalities and tumors can all be avoided with some research on the drugs. Prominent breast can be avoided by taking over the counter testosterone boosters and anti-estrogen pills. Acne can be avoided by not taking oil based steroids.
That's not 100% true.
In some cases, for some people, under the right conditions, some chemicals can be taken safely and side effects can be minimized.
But pretending that we understand this stuff well enough to eliminate those problems is naive. We can’t.
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There’s a lot of data telling people how avoid those conditions, but you’re right. People are affected differently with different drugs. There’s actually an article in maxim where a doctor says that men doing one cycle a year can be beneficial. Bitch tits and acne can be avoided with research.
As a guy who spends a lot of time hanging out with researchers
…through my wife’s jobs: I don’t think research prevents moobs – a lot of these guys are suffering!
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Sooooo there is little to no data on designer steroids but you are sure they are evil????
mayo clinic on Designer Steroids-They are made specifically for athletes and have no approved medical use. Because of this, they haven’t been tested or approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)………….most of what is known about the drugs’ effects on athletes comes from observing these users. It is impossible for researchers to design studies that would accurately test the effects of large doses of steroids on athletes, because giving test participants such high doses would be unethical. This means that the effects of taking anabolic-androgenic steroids at very high doses haven’t been well studied
Wow, I'm glad you're not on a university or hospital ethics board.
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everybody calling for Carwin to say something needs to get a clue
Even though he is not being charged with anything, Carwin is involved in a criminal investigation, possibly as a witness down the road. Anything he says, be it a denial or an admission, can have an effect on the outcome of this case. He would have lawyers up his ass if he offered up anything other than a “no comment.”
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 18, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
Which is why you never hear anything from anybody under criminal investigation.
Except, you know, all the time.
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just because other idiot criminals do it, doesn't mean he should.
he may be kinda douchey, but he does have a brain.
also, he’s not under investigation, just peripherally involved. other people are under investigation. being involved, however, if he says anything outside of being forced to testify by the court, he could be affecting somebody else’s case and therefore would have somebody else’s lawyers wrap themselves in razor wire and crawl up his ass, which is something i do not wish upon anyone who’s worst transgression is no worse than juicing.
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 18, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Saying “I didn’t do it” doesn’t hurt you in criminal charges…unless well, they find out that he did do it.
Most athletes make a statement because you also have to appease to public opinion. If they really didn’t do it, they don’t want to damage their name by keeping silent. People then assume you’re trying to formulate a response because you are guilty.
But hey, if criminal charges are the only thing Carwin worries about and not his standing with fans…then he has to prepare for when fans make assumptions and turn on him.
by MickDawg on Aug 18, 2010 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ugh
Shane Carwin is not facing criminal charges, or a suspension, or anything, just the asshole public; the pharmacy who sent the shit to him is facing criminal charges. get that straight. if he admits to it outside of court ordered testimony, he could be fucking the case for the pharmacy, who could send lawyers up his ass, and even though they wouldn’t win any suit, it would be annoying as fuck. if he denies it outside of court ordered testimony, the prosecution could fuck with him.
He still has his UFC job, they will still give him fights. The worst that happens if he stays silent is maybe lose a few fans and lose a little potential future money. The worst that happens if he doesn’t stay silent is he has lawyers up his ass fucking with him, costing him money right now. Until this shit plays out some more, it is in his best interests to remain silent, and considering this broke just a few days ago, it need more time to play out before Shane and his lawyers know where everything stands. damn.
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 18, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, so he's not facing criminal charges.
He’s not facing anything, and he still chooses to remain quiet? His name is on the list, the prosecution could fuck with him whether he says anything or not.
The defendants can send lawyers at him for making a statement, so what? That’s why he has his own lawyers.
He’s guilty in many fans eyes by keeping quiet, and that hurts his pocketbooks in his next UFC contract as well as any future endorsements.
He needs to be looking out for himself, sponsors and fans.
At his point, he’s just lucky that MMA is not on ESPN everyday, or else he’d be forced to make a statement like every other athlete in every major sport. That’s a common PR move. That’s the smart move, not an idiot move like you claim.
they usually take waaaayy longer than 3 days before saying anything
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 18, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No they don't
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Is still better.
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
awe man give it up. Nobody likes whole grain in their morning sugar rush
I’m all about the Coooooooooookie Crisp anyway
Yeah, don't send me back to Bingee.com for more CTC-glitter-fication!
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Come on man. You saying a police sheriff and a convicted felon couldn’t beat up a frog? And who doesn’t like cookies for breakfast? Nazi’s, that’s who.
....well shit... I don't want to be a Nazi....
Are there no Fruity Pebbles fans out there?
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Fruity Pebbles are ok man, but CTC and yeah even Cookie Crisp wreck them. Also does anyone remember that waffle cereal, that shit was the bomb too.
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 18, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Waffle Crisp
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 18, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did the phrase heel come from?
I know it’s a WWF term or whatever— but what’s the origin? Is it like, being the heel of a joke?
here's from wikipedia
The term “heel” is most likely is derived from a slang usage of the word that first appeared around 1914, meaning “contemptible person”. Common heel behavior includes cheating to win (e.g., using the ropes for leverage while pinning or attacking with foreign objects while the referee is looking away), attacking other wrestlers backstage, interfering with other wrestlers’ matches, insulting the fans (referred to as cheap heat), and acting in a haughty or superior manner.2
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I know I'm going to be at a party one day
and I’m going to accidentally call someone a heel. And then I’m going to have to explain myself. I can’t wait for that day.
Heel isn’t a pro wrestling word. I have no idea if people still go around calling each other heels, but in the past it was just slang for “bad person.”
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This particular usage however comes from wrestling.
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My bad, I glossed over the first sentence and just saw the pro wrestling references in Kid Nate’s.
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So the term heel became relevant in PRO WRESTLING!?
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PRO RESTING?
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Shane Carwin – “I love Roy Nelson trying to elevate his status by talking smacks. Hopefully he is doing so on a treadmil. Some have rolls he has a bakery.”
Yet he was totally, utterly gassed in his last fight.
Shane Carwin did the same thing following Brock's antics at UFC 100
The SAME FUCKING THING
Been saying it for months, dude is a hypocrite.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He had me at "cheater."
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The idea that A-Rod’s steroid use being overlooked isn’t accurate. If you watched the lead up to his 600th HR, everyone was talking about how it doesn’t matter because he juiced and how he will never get in the Hall of Fame. I am curious for the statement he comes out with, whether he will deny or just outright admit it.
I'm a huge Yankee fan
BUT— the idea that A-Rod sat there quietly when Sosa, McGuire, and Bonds carried the weight of everyone’s scorn and unhappiness still sends chills down my spine. You want to talk about HEELS, A-Rod is the world’s biggest heel.
Funny how McGuire
stayed silent, ate all the shit in the media without saying a word and is now back in baseball.
what about the 90 or so players who know they tested positive with arod and are still silent? They are much worse. If all of them, especially people with bigger names came forward, all the nonsense would stop.
The sketchy leaks from the Mitchell report make me sick.
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The story isn’t really very good.
In 2004-2005, Shane Carwin got some PEDs fedex’d to his house. Big whoop. It wasn’t even when he in the UFC. If people were really morally incensed at steroid use Brock Lesnar wouldn’t be the biggest PPV draw the UFC has.
Sports fans like ripped guys doing amazing feats of athleticism.
And really, the line between good performance enhancement (carbon fiber bikes, super hydrodynamic swim suits, creatine, protein, orthoscopic surgeries, living at altitude) and bad performance enhancement is a lot fuzzier, IMO, than we like to pretend.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
The line for me isn't one of chemistry or physics.
It’s one of ethics. The rules are very clear: break the rules and you’re a cheater at best, and possibly a criminal at worst. Arguing that steroids are good or bad is silly: willfully breaking the rules is cheating.
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Well, yeah. Point granted.
But why do we even have that rule?
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because while doctor-monitored use can avoid the really bad side effects, allowing it would mean they have to come up with all these specific regulations about how much shit can be in your system, which exact things can be used, etc.etc. and testing would be ridiculously hard to regulate.
it would initially be an even playing field, but people are gonna want to cheat regardless, and if you have everybody on a moderate PEDs, the guys who cheat are gonna have to be taking a shitload of stuff, which makes it harder to avoid side effects, and then you have a bunch of fighters dying of excessive use, and thats bad
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by eastcoastatlas on Aug 18, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Because steroids are dangerous.
Arguing otherwise is just silly.
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My biggest problem with
them is it creates an unfair advantage for the users. Most people agree they help in recover time from workouts. Maybe it allows someone to train an extra 10%, or gain a small percentage in speed and strength. My problem is I want to know who the best is.
What if Cain beats Brock and goes on a 5 year run but is using the whole time. Assuming Brock is clean and Cain is not, who is the best HW? Thats why I am against them.
"Assuming Brock is clean and Cain is not,"
you are the only person in the world that is assuming that.
I think he chose that for effect.
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Thank you for
understanding the implications and desired effect.
I'm here to be a teacher...
I do it for the kids. But not in an “MJ” kind of way.
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its really not silly.
there are plenty of dr.’s that say they can be taken safely.
Yeah, there are plenty of doctors who get their degree from Grenada's leading brand of Cracker Jacks as well.
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sooo....ummm.. the mayo clinic site you gave said they can be taken safely.
are their degrees from Grenada???
Oh, it did?
Really? Go ahead and copy and paste the part where they said that anabolic steroids were safe to use as performance enhancers. I’ll wait right here.
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Coming up on 24 hours later....
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Fighting is dangerous
Arguing otherwise is just silly. Cutting weight is dangerous. Arguing otherwise is just silly. Continually being punched in the face over the course of your career is dangerous. Arguing otherwise is just silly.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, agreed. 100%.
What has 2 thumbs, a pink tongue, and is in absolute and complete agreement with you?
Well, you’re just going to have to picture it… but it’s me.
All the more reason to make it as safe as we can where possible, no? I mean, no reason to put these guys in unnecessary danger, right? I hear the safety of the fighters is of the utmost importance.
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The PED user.
I don’t go in for all that “one guy will get so strong he’ll just blast the other guy’s head off” thing.
And I know that the argument at that point is one of freedom and choice and naming your kids after Ayn Rand, but these things are illegal and outside the rules. Unless you see taking steroids as a sign of civil disobedience, I don’t know what else there is to say.
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But its still about drawing a line in the sand
And people will have legitimate arguments against it regardless of where its drawn. Fighting is about sacrifice, shit, fighting is sacrifice. And it seems weird that the sport encourages them to harm there bodies in some ways, but pulls back the reigns on others.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
It's true.
But the line is drawn at this point by legality. You can debate that, but if you really cared you’d do what you can to see that research gets performed to test the safety and efficacy of these drugs.
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No, I agree. At this point it is against the agreed upon rules. Both guys agree to fighting not under the aid of certain substances. To do otherwise is dangerous and immoral. I was just arguing the premise of the rule in the first place.
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Well
I think eventually certain steroids will become demonstrably safe for certain uses – and at that point, the legality will be settled. But many of the common steroids being used today are illegal for a good reason – and will always be illegal.
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I usually read these posts w/ a fair amount of trepidation, b/c even here on BE posts of this sort seem to elicit unusually bad internet idiocy, but well said, sir.
I agree w/ everything you’ve said – steroids aren’t all safe, and certainly aren’t safe when taken w/o supervision, and going against the agreed upon rules is freaking cheating end of story.
I’m glad to see someone arguing (rationally) for this side of the debate, instead of an endless parade of stupid hand ringers and even stupider web-warriors whose idea of an argument is a Bill Hicks (RIP) quote.
Well done.
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Sigh...We've had this discussion in other posts as well, but
Because one nevers knows what one is getting with any black market drugs that is true in those cases.
Improperly used and/or improperly monitored steroids are also dangerous.
In the US, used correctly (product, dosing, monitoring, etc), under medical supervision they have minimal side effects for the most part, and a very low % of worse side effects in other cases, just like almost any other prescription drug.
Contineously arguing otherwise is what is silly. Find me one peer-reviewed study that says otherwise if you can.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 18, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason I am arguing so vehemently against this ignorance
Is not because I am in favor of widespread legal steroid use in athletics (although if no one is harmed people should be free to do as they wish in the unregulated portions of their lives) is the same reason I take issue with the DARE programs in my kid’s schools lying about certain aspects of drugs – once the people for whom the message is intended learn that part of it is a blatent, willful lie, the actual useful truthful information loses its credibilitiy as well.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 18, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you on the morality standpoint, but I don’t agree that the PED line is fuzzy. In sports where equipment comes into play is one thing, but there is no fuzzy line between creatine/protein and Trenbolone/Stanozolol.
Both are chemical substances that enhance your strength and ability to gain muscle mass. So it seems fuzzy to me. What is the bright line between the two?
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One works, the other doesn’t… that’s the real difference.
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by The Lethal Haze on Aug 18, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Show me Lesnar's name in a federal steroid drug ring
Show me Lesnar connected to steroids in ANYWAY other than being in the WWE.
It’s all conjecture. We have Carwin’s name listed on evidence.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Show me my name in the Maryland Judiciary Case Search for speeding.
Show me my name connected to speeding in ANY WAY other than being in a car that does 140 (before you have to adjust the tire pressure).
It’s all conjecture. I have never ever taken my car over the speed limit.
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No it's not.
I speed all the time. I go to great lengths not to get caught. It helps me get to work quicker and seriously improves my quality of life. I have a very clear motivation to speed.
It’s also dangerous, though anyone can claim that with the right conditions my car can be safely driven at speeds above the speed limit.
And yet, even as I drive past 3 or 4 speed traps and speed cameras every day on my way from the north end of Baltimore to the DC beltway, I pass every test.
How is that possible? I mean, if I’m not being caught, it must mean that I’m not doing anything wrong, right?
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Yes, yes it is. One assumes everybody speeds at some point in time.
If you assume every athlete does steroids, you’re not very smart.
http://www.instrength.com
That's not true.
Plenty of people don’t speed. Shit, when it rains in the Baltimore/DC region, people don’t like to go above 20. And you’ll never find an example of me saying that all athletes do steroids.
I’m just saying: I get checked for speeding far more often than Brock gets checked for steroids. And there are outward signs that I might be speeding: that radar detector? The tires rated to 190? These are warning signs.
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Are they Z rated tires or not?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, they're "Y" and I exaggerated by 4mph. :-)
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Still better than what most people drive on.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 18, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a light drizzle in PA this morning and it felt like I was driving on banana peels. Only 10k on these tires.
Last time I’ll be buying Kumho’s
Kumho is no good. Any vehicle on a truck frame I use Michelin, mid-size car it’s Nitto for a land yacht Vogue.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 18, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Michelin is over priced and have weak side walls from my experience
by bigc4277 on Aug 18, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing spins smoother for an SUV than Michelin’s. Toyo is good as well but not available everywhere.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 18, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Driving slow is more dangerous than speeding. The more you vary your car’s speed from the flow of traffic the more dangerous it is. However people who drive fast seem to have better reactions than the idiots going 10-15 miles under the speed limit =X
And more dangerous by far is not using your damn turn signal when changing lanes. People who do that should be punched in the face by Carwin.
Guillotine.
Carwin on PEDs or Carwin off PEDs?
:-P
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NOT THE STRAWBERRY THIEF MOVE?!?
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My daughter is about to get her learner's permit...
…and the thing I’ve spent the last year hammering home is, “Do you see how we’ve had to wait here to make a left turn for 30 seconds because that guy didn’t put on his blinker to make a right turn? DON’T BE THAT GUY!”
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Didn’t he get pulled over w/ a PED in the car? I know the charges were later dropped, but I seem to remember some hint of something about that.
The story has very few facts...
…but defenders argue that what he had was over-the-counter of not illegal at the time or something else depending on whether Jupiter was in Leo or something. It’s a blip, but there’s no enough evidence for either side to get too excited about.
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Well the facts are enough to prove it wasn't a PED
The feds intercepted a package to Lesnar that was thought to have steroids. They tested them and they weren’t steroids. They were also in pill form making it very hard for them to be HGH. They were an over-the-counter prohormone used to naturally stimulate your body’s own GH.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem isn't what he did or didn't do...
…it’s what everyone says he did or didn’t do – the story just goes around and around. At this point I believe he was caught transporting dried monkey testicles. Legal and delicious.
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It's mostly Lesnar haters though
You’ll be in a thread and some jackass will post his mugshot as if it’s some indictment of him using.
I remember this back when it happened and it was big. I also remember they finally released the name of the OTC supplement. Forgot what it was.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, sure
But problem is that because nobody has all the details, you hear nothing but bullshit from either side.
And the long and short of it is that neither side has any proof that BROCKLESNAR did anything wrong while a collegiate wrestler or while competing in the UFC. I think we can all agree that making out with Kurt Angle on the other hand…
However, even among BROCKLESNAR-lovers, it’s rare to find somebody who will say that he never took PEDs, and certainly not when he was in WWE.
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He actually reportedly received them in 2006
and during the time frame he received them, he went 4-0 and knocked out 3 opponents in under 95 seconds. You can see the list here.
by Matthew DiRienzo on Aug 18, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And he weighed in at 285-290 lbs back then..solid muscle
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Any thoughts on the "MMA media's" slow reaction to this story?
Do we just not care as fans anymore? I for one am not in this group. While, I do not assume that every MMA athlete is on them, fighters do drop a notch in my book when busted (except The Crippler for some reason, he can do no wrong)… But I am not a moron either, and I don’t think it would be that crazy to think that a majority of the UFC champs are or have been juiced at some point… Still I am very against the use of PEDs in our sport and think we should clean them up, not gloss over the occurrences like this one.
i wish i had twitter so i could chirp carwin
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 18, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Major credentialed sites are probably waiting for details before the stories
Jumping the gun could put them in the sherdog limbo area.
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Nate, S.C. had another tweet from Nelson that would go well with the article http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/8/17/1627862/roidgate-2010-shane-carwin-still#comments
Can’t somebody just set aside some space in the back corner of this website where jemaleddin can go on his steroids tirades and we don’t have to watch him ruin every one of these posts with this spamming crap? Just askin.
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by Tim Burke on Aug 18, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Right.
Because this isn’t a post about steroids. :-/
Get over yourself.
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no this post is about Carwin vs. Nelson on Twitter
and some commentary of why the media isn’t covering this story not the pros and cons of steroids
by Matthew DiRienzo on Aug 18, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Why are we talking about Shane Carwin?
Why is Roy Nelson talking about Shane Carwin?
You’ll also notice that other than a crack about Brock Lesnar and the Mayo clinic, I’ve only brought up steroids in response to what other people are saying.
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Roy is talkin about Shane because Shane has been dissing him
saying he isgn’t worthy to fight
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but...
I think Jemaleddin, as he stated earlier in this thread, doesn’t really care about the twitter feud…
… He’s wondering why no statement from Carwin on the steroids accusation.
That’s the subject of this thread, is it not? If not, then my apologies.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 18, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with jemaleddin
Did ya not read my article? :D
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody thinks EVERYBODY hangs on his every word.
When really it’s just me and Kid Nate.
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Not words
But ufc4, chadington and amadeus swing off these N-U-Ts
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Regular, or New Jack Swing?
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amadeus is def NJ swinging
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I love me some New Jack Swing
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by MickDawg on Aug 18, 2010 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorta!
In an Ice Cube sorta way…
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Read it
… Just trying to jump in the thread debate.
Keeping my comments in the succession line. ;-)
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Free speech and I have to listen to all the (Fedor/BJ/GSP/Strikeforce/UFC/Affliction/Smoogy/Mmalogic/Subo/mmaSup/Crazyness) to. Its part of the discussion.
I have no problem with people stating their beliefs. I have problems with people hijacking discussions for their own purposes.
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Yes, my dastardly porpoises.
I’ve been hijacking internet conversations and feeding them to my dolphins with head-mounted lasers.
How much mileage is there to be gotten out of “So….. Still no news from Shane”? What conversation am I preventing from occurring? What FANTASTIC points about this discussion are you trying to make that I’m not allowing? Seriously: say your peace and and I’ll stick to whatever discussion you want to have.
{crickets}
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{crickets}
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Hey, if you respond to this comment, you be up to an even 50 comments IN ONE THREAD. Keep up the solid hijacking bro.
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You've already demonstrated that you don't have anything useful to contribute to this conversation.
Right? Or did I miss it? Or do you want to count defining “heel” for the newbies as your good deed of the day?
Couldn’t you… I don’t know – do something creative with your time? Like make me a “SHUT THE FUCK UP JEMALEDDIN” animated GIF like they did for Subo?
Because bitching that you don’t like what I’m saying isn’t exactly adding anything to the conversation, right?
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Awwww.
So no GIF? Dangit. I was really hoping.
(When did complaining that somebody was posting too much ever get them to post less?)
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word of advice
you are probably very close to getting band so you might want to slow down on the attacks
by Matthew DiRienzo on Aug 18, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry...
…I’ve been here long enough (over 2 years) to watch for the warning signs. Heck, I’ve gotten ALL the warnings. :-)
And I haven’t actually done anything mean to BM except ask him to stop talking shit about how I’m not adding to the discussion unless he’s going to add to the discussion. I think that’s fair, don’t you?
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Epic fail on my behalf
after I hit post, I realized my error… damn no edit feature on comments
by Matthew DiRienzo on Aug 18, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You didn't see me?
Dude, I was FLOSSIN!
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Its not up to me or you whether we think it is fair or not
by Matthew DiRienzo on Aug 18, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I know - I'm just asking your opinion.
What’s funny is that while yes, I am posting too much, it’s because it’s a slow news day. For the site admins to get upset about me hijacking this thread they’d have to be upset at me for probably doubling the amount of discussion on this thread – there really isn’t much to talk about here since the story is, “Nothing to see here. Move along” at this point.
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You really want one of those gifs, don't you?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 19, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Fondest. Wish.
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Prolific in his posting is this one...
You do realize that almost 1/3 of the posts in this comment section are yours, don’t you?
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 18, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
When you show up late, I have to pick up the slack, pal!
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What about arguing about cereals?
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 18, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
THERE'S ALWAYS A PLACE FOR THAT.
Duh. Even that spoilsport BM can’t argue with that.
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There is also this debate about who's standards should be used.
Nevada Commission (i.e.— State fighting regulation commissions) or Olympic-style.
I think UFC might be waiting to see how that works out and are trying not to lead the way in this debate of “should standards be modified”.
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Carwin not done

/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
wow
that’s epically weak
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by Kid Nate on Aug 18, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which?
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Snot reel
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
someone on his management team needs to take away his twitter access
or maybe he will just pull the Chael Sonnen and claim he doesn’t have a twitter account later on
by Matthew DiRienzo on Aug 18, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he didn't have that one....
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you mean the one that was later verified
you can read about it in this article
by Matthew DiRienzo on Aug 18, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I mean the fake tweet pictured above with the MS-PAINT looking text. :-)
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MS paint text my ass
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
CRUSTY.
You know it, I know it. @ShaneCarwin knows it.
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Snot Reel is the new "Satire."
(And you know I looked it up as soon as you posted it.)
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No kidding.
Carwin is burying himself here.
by destructivist on Aug 18, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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by splint on Aug 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The only people who think Shane is turning into a heel are people who already have a beef against the guy. Also he’s got every right to go at Roy who’s opened his mouth way too much for my liking. That has nothing to do with these accusations, to me he’s just being smart and following his people’s advice sometimes it’s smart to take your time with comments and not making things worse by coming out blasting.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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No. Shane dissed Roy as an opponent saying he wasn't worthy
Roy responded to that.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yes because we have seen in the past
when athletes are tied to steroids and don’t say anything really works. If you are innocent and have nothing to hide, you come out swinging. You don’t say anything when you are worried that saying something will lead to perjury because you actually f-ed and are trying to figure out how to cover it up
by Matthew DiRienzo on Aug 18, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

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