Latest Estimates of UFC 117 Pay Per View Buys Dramatically Lower at 600,000
The Wrestling Observer/Figure Four Weeklyis now saying that the latest numbers are looking much lower than the 1,000,000 they last reported:
UFC staff was told early last week that the UFC 117 numbers were looking to be just under 600,000 buys, significantly down from fight night expectations. I had actually predicted 550,000, though when the show was over the feeling I had was that it was an easy 1 million buys show. It should be noted that our trending numbers plus sources outside UFC are tracking it closer to 1 million. Part of the issue is that there are wide variations throughout the country with some systems showing huge numbers and other systems showing much smaller numbers. It'll be several weeks before we get what we can really call a solid number.
MMA Payout comments on the difference between trending numbers and estimated numbers:
Trending numbers are based upon pre-fight indicators (e.g., live gate, television ratings, or Google search frequency) that are known to have a significant correlation with PPV buy rate numbers. When a fight is said to be "trending" towards a particular number the analyst is essentially saying that the pre-fight indicators are currently at levels that would suggest the PPV buyrate will be X. Trending numbers do not incorporate any sort of actual number received from a cable company.
Estimate numbers are based upon actual reports from cable companies. These typically take a little longer to report, because the cable companies need time to gather the purchase data from their systems. Then, once reliable base numbers have been gathered, the company will extrapolate those initial figures to give an estimate of what the overall card has likely produced from a buyrate perspective.
Cage Side Seats still sees big things in store for a Chael Sonnen/Anderson Silva rematch:
The thing to keep in mind is that even if the early estimates were insanely optimistic, 600K is still a dramatic improvement over previous Anderson Silva headlined UFC's.Based on the legend of this fight and another strong hype job, I suspect that a rematch could easily hit 1 million buys. I don't think it could hit UFC 100 levels, but it wouldn't shock me if it ended up as the biggest Lesnar-free UFC show in history.
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I think I called it on the dot in that prediction fanpost
And I hate to be the dude that said I told ya so, but…I remember saying that was much higher than I thought it would be.
That puts it below the UFC 101 numbers.
That’s just gotta deflate those “Chael is GAWD” posts/articles.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
it = the estimates
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Deflate, maybe, but 101 is a bit of a outlier when it comes to Silva fights since he was fighting Forrest and BJ was fighting in the main event. It’s still a big number for a card where Silva was supposed to be the big draw.
Well you can say that about anyone not named BJ, GSP, or Lesnar.
Or to a lesser extent Rashad/Rampage or the now retired Liddell.
I mean it’s a good number.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, Chael is still gawd
" Real talk - A gorilla would shit kick Brock." – ElliotMatheny
by Day Man on Aug 17, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
S.C. Michaelson -cosign
Looks like those of us who said that Chael Sonnen’s brilliant use of pro-wrestling promotional tactics would work to get the UFC’s least popular champ over with the PPV buying public were spot on.
but writing for SBNation.com gives me a chance to get a very strong vibe of what the non-hardcore fans think
This was my reply.
In the end, what we feel, what we know as bloggers, fans, etc. is all good but doesn’t give us a sure shot indication of what drives the paying public to purchase a PPV.
I’m not saying that I’m right or Kid Nate is wrong but there are a number of different factors that drive people to purchase a PPV and that’s just not trash talk alone. Chael did a great job but everybody who believed that Sonnen’s effort was the key factor, was the next coming of “whatever” are kind of off.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/8/10/1615579/preliminary-estimates-have-ufc-117
“or Google search frequency”
Really. I don’t know about that.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 17, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said that?
Are you saying that I said that? Who are you quoting?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh...my...God
I clicked on that link:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/8/10/1615579/preliminary-estimates-have-ufc-117
And searched for your name. You commented on that post 43 times. 43 times. I read all of them. And if you’re not an internet hitman with a contract out on Chael’s reputation, I don’t know who is. To respond probably 75% of the 43 times with posts laced with masked vitriol for Chael. Damn, you crazy, dude!
Or just an opinion
Seeing as I have given Chael praise just as much as I have given him chide
But since you’re keeping track of my posts like my woman, there’s some laundry in the laundry room. Take care of that.
Separate my shit too.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
actually I was agreeing with you . . . hence the word cosign.
Very bored at work, I guess the numbers show.
laundry? Send me some $1,000 worth of quarters, I’ll hook it up.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 18, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That wasn't addressed to you, unless you're Paul Stan. LOL
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, he doesn't have anything against Chael
75% of his comments are laced with vitriol just in general; it’s nothing personal.
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by CasualMMAFan on Aug 18, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah the hate is strong.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 18, 2010 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s still a ridiculously good number for an Anderson Silva headlined card.
I know you said that already, Nate. It’s just still a really good number.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 17, 2010 6:48 PM EDT reply actions
It's a good number,
However, considering the circumstances (post-Lesnar bump, two number 1 contenders’ matches, 3 straight great PPV cards in a row), it’s not THAT good.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The post Lesnar bump is a myth and it’s a bad thing when a string of PPV’s have done real well. No one has ever cared about number 1 contenders matches. So all things considered this was a VERY good number.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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I disagree.
It’s real.
And there have been 3 great cards in a row. The UFC is on a roll.
Roy Nelson also won TUF 10.
Plenty of non-Chael reasons.
Like I said, it’s a good number.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC 82 didn’t do very well with buys on a card headlined by A. Silva and Dan Henderson, UFC 88 did okay but nothing worth making anyone believe that Lesnar helped it big time, UFC 92 was huge but not because Lesnar was on the card before it, it was a loaded card with a triple main event and UFC 101 got a big bump not because it was post Lesnar but because it was post UFC 100 and also featured Forrest Griffin and BJ Penn.
Like I said, it’s a myth.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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GSP's draw then wasn't what it is now
He had only been over 530K PPVs once and it was versus Hughes and with Liddell/Silva on the card
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
How do we know the post Lesnar bump is a myth? If this card does better in the same regions that Lesnar did then it would reason that it is benefitting from his fans purchasing the card.
Where’s Dave Meltzer when you need him?
You put this Chael Sonnen/Silva fight back in UFC 112 like it was supposed to be
And that PPV still draws 500K, MAYBE 600K.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people gave Chael more credit than he deserved but he did have something to do with getting eyes.
A bigger reason is probably that the previous PPV had casual and accidental (a couple walks into a bar…) viewers talking about the incredibly exciting fights. The whole 116 event was beyond expectations. Throw in the reasons you mentioned as well and a lot of new fans were created. 117 might have kept them.
I agree.
114 brought new fans. If 115 wasn’t 2 weeks later, it could’ve done 800K, it still did more than this card. 116 brought more fans and they stuck around for this one.
Everytime you have a stellar card in front of a shitload of eyes, fans stick around.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s kind of a sad day when we can’t just look at a PPV that sold 600,000 buys, put over the best fighter in MMA and gave us one of the best fights we’ve ever seen, and just say “damn”.
I’m not saying nothing else plays a role – the business model of routinely matching up high-level contenders as frequently as possible has paid a lot of dividends. But this is still a good fucking number for a card headlined by Anderson Silva and co-headlined by Jon Fitch.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 17, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. The fact that Silva and Fitch could headline and co-headline and pull 600,000 is fucking amazing.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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I said my damns when it was trendin a million
I’m damned out. LOL.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
gave us one of the best fights we’ve ever seen
…yikes, that’s a bit of a reach. Great show, great fight…but…not anywhere near being “one of the best I’ve ever seen”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 18, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I loved that fight. How many fights go into the fifth 40-35 and end with the guy behind on the scorecards winning?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 18, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that doesn’t make all the Chael Sonnen Pre-Fight Hype that Kid Nate wrote about today in his article kind of moot.
Not a bad number but when you consider how stacked this card was not that good as it was made out to be.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
102 was a stacked card
and didn’t draw shit. Because it didn’t have a relevant draw on it.
I think that, if anything, this proves the Sonnen hype was absolutely beneficial to the UFC’s bottom line.
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-Randall Munroe
Yes to a degree, but not a big as originally thought. I’m curious of how many fans bought this soley because of Sonnen’s trash talk and not because of the card as a whole, which IMO was far superior to 102 in terms of match ups and name value
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
It does, it just doesn’t prove it as hard as a million buys. It’s still double what people have been expecting/getting from Silva title defenses.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 17, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. A million buys seemed outrageous to me at the time
and this is a much more reasonable number. Still a great showing by the UFC.
To Noah: Nobody buys a card just because of one guys trash talk unless there’s a HUGE storyline behind it (Chuck Tito II or the like). What Sonnen’s trash talk did was push people on the fence about buying the card to say “what the hell, I’ll throw in a few bucks in with some buddies to watch this loudmouth get beat. There’s enough other good shit on there too.”
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Yep
He got people to look at possibly buying a card they would’ve just skipped
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 17, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
I'm gonna channel what Chad Dukes said to you on Twitter.
You are way too sensitive about this Luke.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by Geno Mrosko on Aug 17, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I fix it for you
“You are way toosensitivecorrect about this Luke.”
Seriously: I’ve been waiting for these numbers to come out so I could serve up a nice plate of STFU to every idiot praising Chael for selling a million PPVs on the basis of dishonesty, disrespect and distasteful sentiments. Screw that stuff. I don’t need manufactured drama, I need real athletics.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 17, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
He didn’t even mention Sonnen. How is he correct with what he said?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Well, since you obviously didn't get the point of Luke's post...
…I don’t think it’s my job to explain either to you. But look at all those recs on my comment – somebody got the point. :-)
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100% cosigned and rec'd.
Everyone who likes Chael’s crappy vitriolic excuse for “hyping a match” – I hate you.
I mean, I don’t really hate you, but sorta.
“HARFHARF CHAEL SAID PIGMY TRIBE OF SAVAGES HE IS JUST ACTING HURPERP”
BOOSH
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by II SMASH II on Aug 17, 2010 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chael Sonnen’s pro wrestling-esque persona and performance helped sell this card.
I know, it’s like razors in your mouth, but it’s okay to say it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 17, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree. Without Sonnen, this might do less than 500K
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a good example...
…because I buy just about EVERY card. But what got me interested in this fight was Chael’s performance against Marquardt, not the moronic crap that came out of his mouth.
Questions:
- If the final numbers come in even lower than 600K, how will the storyline change? If this thing barely squeaks past 500K, will pro wrestling tactics have diminshed sales? Or is any non-zero number somehow proof that what Chael did worked?
- How are sponsors reacting to this kind of thing? Has anyone contacted the folks that put their name on Chael’s shorts to see how they liked being associated with the guy who took a shit on Lance Armstrong and blamed it on a Hispanic guy?
- If saying mildly racist, xenophobic and homophobic things while lying about his record did boost PPV buys (I guess from the Stormfront crowd? Thanks for telling me who they are, SCM!), how many more buys could Chael have brought in by denying the holocaust and proclaiming that beating Anderson would be the beginning of the Fourth Reich?
[For the humor/critical-thinking impaired: I don’t think that Chael is a racist, a nazi or a white supremacist. I think he’s a guy willing to lie and bullshit to boost his own profile. But since we’re comparing this to Pro Wrestling, isn’t that the next step? To bump it up a notch? To take the storyline to the next level?]
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by jemaleddin on Aug 18, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there are some of us who like mma for the sport and the soap opera gets old. i understand being a douchebag = more buys but why should i care? I’m the one paying not getting the check
by phantasma475 on Aug 17, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You're so embarrassed about your Hulk Hogan toys
It’s not even funny.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I got rid of those when I hit puberty
And decided paying attention to girls’ titties > retards doing bad acting for out of shape retards. You might be convincing yourself with your wishful thinking, but sadly, it bears no resemblance to reality.
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At what point did you stop paying attention to girls titties and start paying attention to sweaty half naked guys rolling around on the ground with each other?
Sorry, I couldn’t resist that one. Seriously though you can spin anything like that.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by Geno Mrosko on Aug 17, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"At what point did you stop paying attention to girls titties and start paying attention to sweaty half naked guys rolling around on the ground with each other?"
Jesus, really? That’s your argument. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
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It was a joke, man. Seriously I think you are a little too wound tight on this subject if you couldn’t see that that was a joke.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by Geno Mrosko on Aug 17, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So, kids (Who now make up most of wrestlings core audience in 2010) are retards Luke? I'm guessing that Rampage was a retard for appearing on WWE TV and being a fan growing up, right?
And also, aren’t you stereotyping that wrestling fans are out of shape?
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by RobertGBP on Aug 17, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You know, I’m starting to regret that rec I gave him for his comment. I’d maybe even unrec it if it wasn’t for the fact I’d have to put in the effort of scrolling back up the page.
Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.
LOL lazy
Luke is a special kind of upset at pro wrestling.
He hates his past. It’s like the football player that used to be on the math team at his old school, but had a growth spurt and moved.
That kid is still inside you Luke. Hug him, don’t shun him.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you don’t know shit about my past nor much of the present.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 17, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you don't know shit about anyone else's past or present
Yet that doesn’t stop you from making generalizations. I was putting your methods back in your face.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I always assumed that every other boy liked it when we were little, and also practiced moves on younger brothers, pillows and what ever else was handy…
And I’m sure most everyone here heard some variant of “Damn it, how many times do I have to tell you NO JUMPING ON THE BED…” a thousand times as a kid while doing this.
Having said all of that, it never occured to me until recently here on BE how many apparently grown, seemingly intelligent MMA fans here are also such huge (and sensitive) pro wrestling fans. I don’t care in the slightest, but it genuinely never occured to me until all this nonsense of importing pro wrestling lingo made its way here…
I really think we can do without the Sonnen-esq bullshit, and even the Rampage-Rashad shit talking (although they all had their funny moments) as well as the recent use of pro wrestling terminology such as kayfabe (wtf?), face, heel, work, etc regarding MMA.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 18, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad v Rampage was not pro wrestling
That was old school boxing. They were themselves talking shit.
Chael invented a character and said disingenuous things to builld a fight. That’s what wrestlers do.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
By this logic
We should start writing fanposts putting everything that happens in MMA in a box that relates to the “GI Joe method of promotion”
Wrestling is popular with kids, and good on them, they’re kids. I don’t see how it continues drawing much interest after that, though.
You probably love Lord of the Rings though, don’t you?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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I don't think everything should relate to wrestling
But when you have an over-the-top bad guy helping to promote a fight for a weak drawing good guy, that’s Pro Wrestling 101.
It’s not like anyone is comparing JDS/Nelson to Flair Steamboat.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe Nelson is Dusty Rhodes, for the record.
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by jebushchrist on Aug 18, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, you had wrestling toys? And kept them til 12? I got rid of mine when I was 6, ya mark
I’ve been lookin titties since I was 6, fondling them since 13ish. In-shape. You might be convincing YOURSELF with your wishful thinking, but sadly, it bears no resemblance to reality. :)
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Negro you just said you got rid of them at puberty.
Unless you hit puberty at 6, you were a teen/preteen with toys.
You just said earlier I had “no sense of the past, nor the present”.You must be referring to yourself as well.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just...
I just don’t think it’s a good idea to call the founder of the site a negro, at least not to his face anyway.
Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.
What the hell is this guy's problem?
Am I missing something here?
I was reliably informed that this place is the absolute best for MMA commentary and discussion, and they were right about the commentary, but why is this guy picking a silly fight over pro – wrestling?
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Aug 18, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm telling you, and he can call me whatever name he wants to, but Luke is embarrassed
about his pro wrestling fandom and doesn’t want any talk of it infested his new love MMA. Which is “better” because it’s real.
Except wrestling isn’t a sport.
It’s still one of the best sites on the net for MMA with great commentors.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 18, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure he wasn't talking about you?
Cause I think you’re on the side of crazy here.
I’m not at all embarrassed about watching pro wrestling in elementary school. I don’t really care if grown folks want to watch it either. But I do care when people start proclaiming that acting like buffoons is the way to grow the sport I love.
The right way to grow the sport is the way Zuffa has been doing it: put on great fights, develop talented prospects, introduce the public to the lives of the fighters, and force people to realize that this isn’t some back-room brawling, but a legitimate sport that requires training, discipline and dedication like any other. To suggest that what it needs is more insane rambling and hateful rhetoric disgusts me.
And I would guess that Luke shares my feelings.
I think the folks who love what Chael is brining to MMA must have been the kids who acted out and thought that negative attention was just as good as positive attention. “LOOK AT ME MOM! I SAID THE N-WORD IN THE GROCERY STORE!!!”
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Political correctness is everywhere. So I can’t say Nyquil in a grocery store anymore? What is this country coming to?
WATCH YOUR MOUTH, BOY!
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THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
Now help mama rub some linament into her corns.
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It reads like performance art
Luke’s insults that is. That he is ironically imitating Chael’s insane ranting so that he can work the comments into a lather.
Could be wrong but then he’s just being rude.
That crossed the line
I don’t post here very often, but I’m a regular to the site. It almost goes without saying, but I have a ton of respect for the writers and staff on BE, especially Luke.
But, dude, this is a bit much. You might be surprised to know that a good chunk of your readership is, in fact, comprised of pro-wrestling fans.
The fact is that Brock brought a lot of those fans over to MMA when he started making a run in the UFC. I know, because I was one of them. My personal experience with MMA started when the UFC was something that was kind of cool to watch – back in the days where it was marketed as a Mortal Kombat-style tournament, and you could go to the speciality section of your video store and rent it on VHS, next to the Jane Fonda aerobics videos. I lost track of the sport, but my interest was reignited when I heard that Brock Lesnar had made the jump over, and that he had almost beat a former heavyweight champ in his UFC debut.
I was curious.
I checked out his next fight.
I stuck around.
This trajectory is a pretty common one amongst my friends, and I imagine many other groups who are composed of people similar to my age (which, incidentally, is probably pretty close to your age) have experienced the same thing.
So I get a little confused, and more than a little offended, when I’m labeled an “out-of-shape retard” by the EiC of my favorite MMA website. Regardless of your personal feelings about Pro-Wrestling, the crossovers in the fanbase are (at the very least) partially responsible for MMA’s current growth spurt.
And another thing – I like this website because we keep things pretty civilized. I’m a big believer that language shapes society, so it’s very important to use politically correct language. That might not be the popular viewpoint, but there you have it. In my view, it’s about creating a space where people don’t feel marginalized. I think that for the most part, we get the balance right at BE. You have to realize that flinging around the term “retard” and talking about “girls’ titties” puts some people off. It contributes to the widely-held perception of the MMA fanbase. It’s unfair, and unrepresentative of the whole community, and I know that it’s something that you’ve worked extremely hard to avoid. So I’m disappointed to hear you use that kind of language in the comments section.
I like to think that I have a pretty thick skin, but something about that comment just threw me off, and I had to speak up.
I’m going to go back to lurking now.
by DuRuffio on Aug 17, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 26 recs
I’ll rec that, this whole string of comments was really strange. I don’t care what people say, Sonnen’s mouth raised awareness and interest in the fight. No one has said that it’s exclusively his doing, neither have they said that anyone has to like Sonnen’s style of hype. I’m not really sure what spurred the insults to people who like pro-wrestling though.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 17, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, really off putting. As I joking pointed out earlier, anyone can make similar jokes regarding MMA. It’s pretty fucked up for a guy who runs a radio show about MMA, which whether he likes it or not gained a shit load of fans because of it’s lead in on the first season of TUF and former pro wrestler Brock Lesnar, to call pro wrestling fans retards. I write for a website that covers both pro wrestling and MMA and I’m pretty sure I can speak for everyone over there when I say that it’s not cool for him to be saying shit like that.
Does CBS Radio know that on the website he plugs on MMA Nation that he calls people retards who are fans of things he no longer likes? If anyone else said some shit like that they would probably be banned. It’s ridiculous.
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by Geno Mrosko on Aug 17, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Luke kind of determines where the line is
But I will rec this because I agree. I used to be a pro wrestling fan when I was a kid, and while I can’t really imagine getting back into it now, I still want every single one of their fans to develop a love an appreciation for MMA. I kind of want every person to develop that love, regardless of how I feel about them on a personal level. Hurling around insults seems quite counterproductive.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 17, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t lurk, we need more comments like this.
And my thinking is Mr Thomas is working kayfabe.
by John Nash on Aug 17, 2010 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My fanpost survey proved that almost 3/4 of the readership watched pro wrestling
and a good percentage still watch in some capacity.
Very insulting to your readership.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You get a rec and clapping gif.

My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
This comment is seriously
one of the best I’ve ever seen on this site.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Holy overreaction.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Look at the number of recs he recieved.
People must get it.
It's the recs I was talking about.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Because people MUST be overreacting if they agree with someone who doesn’t think Pro Wrestling = retards and fat people, amirite?
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 18, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said
I’m no fan of pro wrestling, but I appreciate your enthusiasm translated into words to back up your stance. You should post more often…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
These typically take a little longer to report, because the cable companies need time to gather the purchase data from their systems
Really wondering about these systems that take weeks to pull data from.
Yea thats really weird. Is this a hanging chad situation? Shouldn’t the entire process be digital and immediate at this point?
" Real talk - A gorilla would shit kick Brock." – ElliotMatheny
Have you ever tried to get any two locations to communicate information to eachother? Even when they are the same company?
Guillotine.
Yea, in an automated process that sends purchase information in weekly reports in a specified excel file format to an email address.
" Real talk - A gorilla would shit kick Brock." – ElliotMatheny
Well then if that runs correctly then you are the luckiest person in the world. The more parts, the more palces for shit to break down or work incorrectly. And the more people involved the more chances for human incompetence and laziness to crop up.
Guillotine.
FYI this actually No2 on the List of PPVs headlined by The Spider
UFC 97 sold 650,000 PPV’s
Zuffa's not in trouble again, right?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
by SSreporters on Aug 17, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, my sources told me that Dana White lost the rights to the company in a game of poker
Prepare for UFC President Dixie Carter. What a degenerate.
My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
This is kind of expected. It’s one thing to go on Google and search for what crazy shit Chael Sonnen has been saying recently and increase the estimated trending numbers, but it’s a completely different thing to shell over $50 to watch Chael get his ass kicked and essentially watch a PPV version of Dancing with the Stars. Granted, Sonnen performed admirably, but too bad the customer has to decide whether or not to pay for the PPV before it begins rather than after
Still fucking amazing run of business for the UFC
850,000
500,000
520,000
1,050,000
620,000
1,280,000
600,000
They haven’t dropped below 500,000 in 6 fucking months
Buzzkill
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
am i the only one that doesnt think 600,000 is a bad number? at 44.95 a pop for the ppv zuffa still made almost 27 MILLION dollars. Fighter payouts came out to 1,269,000 (not including the mythical unicorn-esque “locker room” bonuses..but intuition tells me those wouldnt top 1 million). Say Anderson Silva gets 20% of the ppv revenue (an EXTREMELY high estimate) thats another 5 million. So now we’re at a total of around 7-8 million to the fighters. The live gate of 1.5 mil probly covered the costs of the event itself (venue, setup/teardown, staff etc) so as as company the UFC netted around 17-19 MILLION dollars in one night. Subtracting promotion, advertising, fighter / staff travel and other expenses (which i wont even guesstimate cause i have no idea) I still think that leaves Zuffa with a nice chunk of change
by jcrispyo on Aug 17, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL @ Silva getting 20%
No more than 5-7%
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
“at 44.95 a pop for the ppv zuffa still made almost 27 MILLION dollars.”
No, they didn’t.
by ufc4 on Aug 17, 2010 9:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't debate Zuffa made a boatload of cash
They do on every PPV they put on (even the ones that sites say aren’t a success) but one huge thing to factor in is that purchase price, of your $45 the cable company is taking half right off the top.
But still, they make tons of money. A PPV that sells 200k buys would make them something like 4.5m on PPV revenue alone, not even factoring in live gate, merch, etc. etc. These guys were in the business of losing money for a while, but they left that business years ago and won’t be back any time soon.
so the cable company takes half and that drops their profit down to about 8-9 million as opposed to 17-19. oh and they’re gonna do another one in 3 weeks which should make as much if not more..thats one hell of a monthly statement :) i dont think the UFC cares NEARLY as much as we do about the ppv numbers as long as they keep making a quarter of a billion dollars a year
Agreed
Which is why I used 200k (which they haven’t been that low in years) as an example.
My opinion is, if this thing is anywhere near 600k, a huge chunk of that is Chael. After Anderson’s last fight, most people wouldn’t have bought his next fight if you paid them. Chael turned it around and made people want to watch Anderson fight again.
So you think Zuffa is content where they are now and not looking to grow their business huh? Interesting concept.
by ufc4 on Aug 17, 2010 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re right, but I do think it’s safe to say that PPV totals aren’t the #1 be-all end-all of concerns (if it were, then Kimbo/Lesnar would be a horrific memory by this point).
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 17, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
PPV sales are far and away the #1 source of revenue for them right now. They probably hope that in ten years that’s not the case but at this point they are definitely looking for ways to grow the number of buys they get per show.
by ufc4 on Aug 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gone into this a few times before...
But the UFC is maintaining the same average buyrate while adding more and more shows per year. There’s a limit to how many people you can get to buy one show, and they realize that. It takes a perfect storm to get that 1million+ buy PPV in any sport. But they’re managing to sell those AND sell other cards…the year over year totals have been going up every year since 2006.
Not to mention they’re adding stuff like UFN, UFC on Versus, the international cards that air free on Spike…..they’re also picking up bigger sponsors, more international deals….they’re growing rapidly, it takes willful ignorance to not see that
the PPV company
gets 50% of the sales I think.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I think
a 700,000 would have been great for this card, 600,000 is a little better than expected. I don’t think Zuffa is in any kind of trouble with another Lesnar fight in a few months and a GSP fight following a TUF season at the end of the year…
That is four 1 million+ buy cards in one year, thats amazing.
Overestimated Sonnen's Promotion? Or underestimated fallout from Silva's last performance
Definitely worth thinking about. Anderson Silva burned so many fans after UFC 112 that for many it was 3 strikes, and he’s out since 3 title defences previously had been horrendous.
Luke Thomas can bag on the promotion all he wants, but even he can’t deny the very likely possibility that without Sonnen, a Silva fight against anyone not named GSP would have tanked hard (In the range of 200k, maybe even less).
Even the media coverage was mostly about Sonnen. Had he not been there, how much would Bloody Elbow and every other outlet be focusing on Silva’s last 3 title defence performances? All of them. How many commentaries would be focused on Silva committing PPV suicide based on 112, and 117 would prove it? All of them.
by KJ Gould on Aug 17, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
GSP is not impressed with UFC 117's performance

"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
by IKilled007 on Aug 17, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
bottom line
chael was on espn. chael was on google trends before andersons name popped up in the mix. chael did more leg work than most, whether it was controversial statements or not (most raised eyebrows). people in the bar i was in all talked about the shit talking chael had done pre fight even though many of them didn’t know who he was. people wanted to see what he had to bring behind that mouth.
by silent.bisonte33 on Aug 17, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions

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