Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva Says Brock Lesnar Doesn't Deserve to be Ranked Number One
by Nick Thomas on Aug 17, 2010 9:01 AM EDT
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In an interview with tatame.com:
"(Brock) Lesnar had a hard time on the first round, but got the guy on the second. I think that if (Shane) Carwin had a little more conditioning, he would have got the win. I don’t believe that Brock Lesnar deserves to be considered the number one of the ranking because I think that, if (Fabricio) Werdum beat the number one, the right thing would be for him to become the number one. How can you beat the number one and be considered number two? I think this ranking is kind of crazy sometimes… There’s no way of a guy fighting only six times and becoming the number one of the ranking."
"And what about the history Fedor (Emelianenko) made in MMA? Just because of one loss, now he’s number three and a guy with only six fights on his professional record is the number one. That’s crazy, man."
"About Cigano (Junior dos Santos), I’m sure he’ll be the next champion of Ultimate. He’s young, has a lot of disposition, has a sharp Boxing, it’s hard to put him down and I’m sure Cigano will become the next champion of UFC. The only one how can make a tough fight with him is (Cain) Velasquez, who is a complete fighter, a good wrestler, bangs quite well, has a good ground game… But I’m sure Cigano will become the champion of this division. I’m sure he’s back in Brazil and will spend some time with his family and then come back to the trainings and I know he’ll become the champion.
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Well...
Silva appears to be one of those folks that’ll need Brock to beat Cain and Cigano to STFU. But I’m sure even then he’ll say that Brock has never beat him or some equally ignorant thing… Since… You know— you can’t be good at what you do unless you have 20 or more tries at it.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
When Brock runs the HW division for 5-10 years
then come & talk to us about his greatness
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
Nobody runs any division for 10 years
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
oh yeah
Fedor wasn’t in the UFC so he doesn’t count, right?
I do like me some Big Trouble quotes though
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
Fedro didn’t run anything for 10 years.
He had a good run for a fair bit, but faded off hard in the last few years.
Guillotine.
you're right
Fedro didn’t run anything, but Fedor did go undefeated in his division for a good portion of that…Hater GIF skills need not apply
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
5 – 10 years.
Brock Lesnar is about 31 or 32 years old. His stand up will not dramatically improve to protect his neck against a Carwin rematch. He could beat Velasquez and JDS next but his number will be called by late 2011 or 2012.
5 – 10 years . . . keep dreaming.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 17, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He's got 3 good years left
no way he runs things for 5-10. not to mention, i think that Cain and JDS can beat him, and possibly a re-conditioned Carwin will as well.
A re-conditioned Carwin will finish Lesnar in the 1st or the 2nd.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 17, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone name a HW in the history of this sport that has a more impressive 4 fight win streak than Brock?
1) Carwin
2) Mir
3) Randy
4) Herring.
by mmalogic on Aug 17, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Im not too big on the Herring and Randy wins but Carwin and Mir are some damn good ones. If he beats Cain I will be on the bandwagon fo sho. =/ lol
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not too big on the Herring and Randy wins
Nuff said.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 17, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Frankly, the Herring win was possibly the most impressive to me.
He man handled an extremely well seasoned fighter. Made Herring look like undercard fodder for 3 rounds. After that fight no one could question his conditioning and ability to fight into the later rounds.
Not to mention he beat Herring so bad that the man is pseudo-retired from the sport.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Herring was also dominated by Jake O’brien. Not saying its not a good win (especially for his 2nd fight) but the Couture and Shane fights really showed that he could battle back from adversity.
by xbuckeyex05 on Aug 17, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m sorry… is this a joke? Or are you being serious? Cause I almost spilled my coffee reading this, but then I thought… ohhh snap what if this dude is actually serious…
Please get back to me… asap…
P.S.
Only Carwin is impressive… and thats more due to the “comeback” aspect of the fight rather then the quality of opponent.
Umm...
JDS?
Nelson
Gonzaga
Yvel
CroCop
Werdum
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly what I was going to say.
Also, Nog between Fedor fights:
Ricco Rodriguez
Mirko Filipovic
Hirotaka Yokoi (negligible)
Heath Herring
Sergei Kharitonov
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 17, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Nakao being in the middle of that ruins it
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Ballsy counting the RIcco fight as a real win for Nog one of the worst decisions in MMA
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 17, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i will cosign this everytime i see it
because its true.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Aug 17, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That fight fucked Ricco over in more ways than one
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 17, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd probably agree with that, although I think it's very close
I was more looking for him to reply since he thought it was such a joke that mmalogic said that, yet didn’t bother to say anything that was better.
Randy and Carwin are more impressive than Gonzaga and Crocop. Mir is more impressive than having a win over big nog in todays market.
Carwin is more impressive than Gonzaga or Crocop
But Randy isn’t as impressive as either of them. I don’t think there’s any question that Brock should be #1, but I think JDS has clearly had a more impressive run.
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by Monte Fisto on Aug 17, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
None of those are top 10 but Werdum
Brock had two top 3 wins, a top 5 (Randy)
Yvel is worse than Herring.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Brock took away whatever fight Herring had left in him. Imagine if he finished Big Nog and then Brock dominated him the HW world would be so much different right now.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 17, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There's plenty buddy
Cro Cop 2002-2003
Sakuraba
Fujita
Herring
Vovchanchyn
not too shabby eh?
by WarToney on Aug 17, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Saku is 185, get the fuck outta here
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
how is Herring valid here and invalid on Brock’s resume?
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 17, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Herring back then was a better fighter than he is now
allegedly
Back then there wasn’t any good HWs so Herring was a top 5 guy.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head....
I can think of Crocop who has had 2 4-win fight streaks in his career that are more impressive than what Brock has done.
1st: Mark Coleman Kevin Randleman Josh Barnett Aleksander Emelianenko
2nd: Igor Vovchanchyn Heath Herring Kazuyuki Fujita Kazushi Sakuraba
Check the times when he did this… Herring was much more of a beast than he was in the Brock fight. Randleman and Coleman were are their roided peaks, Aleks was up and coming and very dangerous, and Barnett was damn good.
Compare that to what Brock has done. Randy is more of a stepping stone at this point of his career than anything else. Herring has since retired. Mir is overrated… the only reason he resurrected his career was because he beat a green Lesnar… and now your saying its impressive that Lesnar beat him back? Essentially Mir was on his way out of the UFC and was considered a can for up and coming fighters… and he magically beats Lesnar… so the can now gets super hyped up, then when Lesnar beats said can like he was suppose to… he is doing something amazing?
The only good win that impressed the hell out of me was Carwin… and no so much because of the hype Carwin had coming in but because Brock got pounded on for a whole round, most fighters would have quit, and he comes out and actually pulls off a great win.
by Dudeski on Aug 17, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crocop at his peak after winning the open weight grand prix was killed by Gonzaga and then was Beat by Kongo.
Mir Crushed big Nog and Kongo,
Randy crushed Gonzaga and Tim Sylvia.
Carwin crushed Mir and Gonzaga,
And none of those fighters you list (coleman, igor, fujita, sakuraba, etc…) at there peaks would have been able to hang with the HW’s of today… are you serious?
Cro Cop was not at his peak coming out of the OWGP.
Maybe in terms of popularity, but not physical ability.
Also, you can’t dismiss wins retroactively based on “those guys aren’t as good as the guys these days”. Wins are wins and fighters can only be judged against the people that they have to compete against AT THAT TIME. The first streak mentioned is easily comparable to Lesnar’s.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 17, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm... are you trolling? Cause thats what im thinking... but I will play into it
Crocop spent a year off after PRIDE before he came over to the UFC and he already looked like he was on the decline from the way he fought Sanchez. Its safe to say that his peak was at the end of Pride. Whether or not he beat by Gonzaga or Kongo… that doesn’t take away from the fact that his win streaks before were more impressive than what Brock has done now.
Mir crushing Kongo and Nog has nothing to do with my argument or yours. Tim Sylvia is also random in here… Carwin is a legit fighter I never said anything against it. Randy is just not a top HW or LHW… I’m sorry its true… get over it, most people have.
And comparing fighters 5 years ago at their peaks with fighters today at their peaks is like saying Babe Ruth couldn’t hang with the baseball players of today… it doesnt MEAN anything. Back then that’s what the sport was, now it has evolved, fighters are more well rounded.
Crocop wasnt off a year… He fought in the UFC five months after he killed barnett.
And comparing fighters 5 years ago at their peaks with fighters today at their peaks is like saying Babe Ruth couldn’t hang with the baseball players of today… it doesnt MEAN anything. Back then that’s what the sport was, now it has evolved, fighters are more well rounded.
Yeah, that’s what Im saying… not as impressive of what Brock has achieved in TODAY’s more competitive arena. It’s more impressive because the competition today is better. years ago you could have asked the question: "who has a more impressive 4 fight win streak than _______ (crocop, big nog, Fedor) and it would have been one of those.
No... No... No
You missed my point… when I say it doesn’t mean anything, that does NOT support what your saying. The competition today may be better but that doesn’t take credit away from fighters who faced the best competition of their time. And your boy Brock has NOT done that. If Brock beats Carwin, Velasquez, JDS and (insert other legit contender) THEN he does have a legit win streak and he is definitely solidifying his legacy as being a #1 HW.
Herring, Mir and Randy are just not as impressive as you think they are. Randy is clearly on the decline, Herring was done after, and Mir was on his way out of the UFC. Let it go… Brock is on his way but he is not there yet.
Yeh...
When Mir beat Brock… he was there as a stepping stone for him because he was on his way out of the UFC.
He lost to a no-name in Maricio Cruz and then he got owned by Vera. Thats when people saw his potential as a stepping stone because Vera’s stock at the time skyrocketed when he dismantled Mir.
Sorry but beating a green Lesnar and a staph infected Big Nog does not make you a top competitor.
Cruz is an ADCC champ and only lost two mma fights.
People he has defeated in jits : Ricco Rodriguez, Mike Van Arsdale, Roger Gracie, Gabriel Gonzaga, Paulo Filho, Fabricio Werdum, Xande Ribeiro, Marcelo Garcia, Saulo Ribeiro, Fernando “Terere” Augusto and Fernado “Margarida” Pontes, and has only lost to two people in in mma: Monson and Andre A. He is no chump.
Umm Brock already beat Carwin
Brocks streak Is more impressive than Cro Cops and not only were his opponents better the fact that he was so green at the time and the fact that he also has managed 2 deal with the pressure of being the big draw in the biggest competion unlike Mirko has , further proves this point
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by RearNakedBloke on Aug 17, 2010 9:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You discredit certain fighter's wins...
Yet count Brock’s win over a 45 year-old man whoes only wins in the last 3 years are over an ancient Mark Coleman and a shot Brandon Vera as a quality win? Seems like certain opponents are only quality when they support your argument.
by WarToney on Aug 17, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Cro Cop's
And the Gonzaga and Sylvia fights were over a year before the Lesner fight. You really want to argue that a win over a 45-year old with over a year of ring rust is a better win than against a prime Sakuraba? Your “mmalogic” is bad.
by WarToney on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
sakuraba is a 185lber… WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING?
by mmalogic on Aug 17, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randy is a former HW champ.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
by Broke Lesnar on Aug 17, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This is truly terrible stuff
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
shit is bananas
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 17, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
ya so the fact he is more impressive with just 3 fights makes it even better, I win :)….count his loss to JDS and he still wins, having the only win over Fedor is more impressive than beating Mir, Carwin, Herring and Couture sorry
No
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
So you’re telling me you would be prouder or more impressed with yourself if you beat Carwin(Excellent fighter and potential but as we saw he has troubles if you make it past the first round and yes I know making it to the 2nd round is easier said than done), Mir(Top HW but just doesn’t seem to have what it take to be that top guy), Herring(Journeyman more than anything really, he has fought top guys but his best win is probably Kongo or Tanner) and Couture(Just doesn’t belong in the HW division) over beating the #1 HW for the past how many years, the undisputed(as long as you have half a brain) GOAT and a guy who has fought top competition yet hasn’t lost in 10 years?
4 wins >>>>>>>> 1 win
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the decade long streak that included wins against Sobral, Schlitt, Fujita, Nagata, Nog, Coleman, Hunt, Randleman, Herring, CroCop, Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers. Yeah, it’s hard to think of just four.
by memitim on Aug 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, It amazes me that even veteran commenters will still engage in these long, worhtless threads
But, on another note. I think Bigfoot makes some real good sense here.
According to Bigfoot's argument shouldn't JDS then be the number one guy since he KTFO the guy who subbed the guy who at the time was the guy that was the number one guy?
by jammushi on Aug 17, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I read this ....
If anyone listens to Bob and Tom morning radio I read this but in my head I heard him having the same accent the “pope” has on the Bob and Tom radio morning show. Not certain why.
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by lesnarhypetrain on Aug 17, 2010 9:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
People shouldn't take close-ups of Bigfoot
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
The #1 guy right now is Brock becuase he has the belt. End of story. Do I think hes the best HW right now? Nope. I agree with Bigfoot that JDS will finish BROCKLESNAR!!!
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JDS showed great hips in the nelson fight… even though big country isnt a top shelf wrestler he was pretty deep on a double and Dos Santos shrugged it off like it was nothing.
Carwin rematch spells lactic-acid disaster finish in the 1st round.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 17, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
jds couldnt finish roy, how the hell will he finish brock. i want to see jds vs carwin. the winner of that should get brock, but i know it wont happen
Simple, you overrate Brock.
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe im biased but...
I don’t see jds finishing this one only way I see Him doing so in on The feet and I don’t see Brock staying there long enough to let him. Just my biased opinion.
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by lesnarhypetrain on Aug 17, 2010 9:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brock stayed there long enough for Carwin to take him to the near end. JDS has the better Boxing, better cardio, better takedown D and has been past the 1st rd.
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
JDS does not, I’m guessing, have better TDD than Carwin, although there’s so little data at this point, perhaps you’re right, but then again, perhaps you’re wrong. Stuffing Roy Nelson’s takedowns, which are solid, does not mean you’ll be able to reliably stuff the TDs of a guy who was 106-5 as a collegiate wrestler.
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by The Darkness on Aug 17, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, GSP never wrestled yet is better than errbody in MMA at it. Look at all of JDS’s fights, the guy has tremendous TDD.
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
No
Just…. No. Carwin is the far, far superior wrestler to Cigano.
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We’re talking about takedown D, not wrestling. Gonzaga took Carwin down. Gonzaga didnt take JDS down.
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Gonzaga took both down, and both popped up shortly after.
As far as straight TDD goes, I’d still pick Carwin over JDS.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 17, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He might
But if so, he has never shown it, and, given his background, there is no reason to imagine he does. Roy is a good all-around fighter, but he’s not a top MMA wrestler.
I find it highly likely the JDS gets taken down with relative ease by Lesnar, Cain or Carwin.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 17, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he will stand long enough to get tagged but I believe after carwin he learned his lesson. Also I don’t aee jds stuffing his td’s or nullifying his top control which Is his true wrestling strong suit his tds aren’t pretty but there effective however I believe his top control for mma is second only to possibly gps
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by lesnarhypetrain on Aug 17, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fail
GSP
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by lesnarhypetrain on Aug 17, 2010 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lesnar is working his BJJ very hard. I’m guessing his top control is world class at this point. I’d love to see how he’d do at the ADCC.
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by The Darkness on Aug 17, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
World Class
seriously buddy, world class?
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Yes, seriously. If Comprido loves the guy (and says he needs to be essentially technically perfect to keep up with Brock), why shouldn’t I, or you for that matter?
Far lesser wrestlers – types have had a great deal of success at the ADCCs — Monson (multiple golds), Kerr (multiple golds), Ortiz (bronze). Those were a while ago but wrestlers are surprisingly successful at no gi grappling even with little background in the sport. (E.g., Askren, a purple belt, advanced to quarters and Weidman nearly beat Galvao after only having trained 8 months at this past year’s ADCC.) I don’t think Brock would beat Gracie or Werdum but he could get a pass and would never be swept, so you never know. If you’re a wrestler and are able to hang tough at the ADCCs, and I’d be willing to bet Brock could, you have an elite top game.
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by The Darkness on Aug 17, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You also have to take the comments of a guy that trains with him with a grain of salt.
Matt Hughes has some serious "mentally challenged" strength applying a choke to Ricardo Almeida’s neck strong enough to squeeze a turd out of his other end.
Good point
That’s true, but Comprido genuinely seems to love the dude and he’s a 2x BJJ absolute champ, but he obviously could have an ulterior motive — keeping what’s likely a lucrative job. In any event, having watched more and more no gi grappling (and started training a very little bit) I would have to think that brock would be a nightmare for just about anyone to grapple with. Ridiculously strong, agile guys with very good cardio are extremely difficult to deal with. Since seeing him completely nullify Mir’s guard while on top, I’ve been very impressed with Brock’s top game; I’d guess it’s “world” class, but may be wrong. Outside Roger Gracie and perhaps Werdum, there’s really no one in the HW division, and definitely no one in the UFC, that’s going to be able to test my hypothesis, which means that I’m free to continue believing whatever I want!!
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by The Darkness on Aug 18, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Top control?
Absolutely…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 17, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
jds does not have better takedown D
why do u say that? bc he stopped roy’s takedown attempts? lol good assumption
Steroids.......
May have done something to his brain. The MMA math just doesn’t make sense. Werdum beat Fedor who arguably hasn’t fought anyone in the top 5 in a couple years.
Brock is simply the king of the largest HW division in MMA. Hard to argue with that, no matter how many fights he’s had.
Play Hard, Train Harder
Werdum beat Fedor who arguably hasn’t fought anyone in the top 5 in a couple years.
When will this end? When he fought Sylvia, AA and Rogers they were Top 10. Just becuase you say he hasnt fought top comp doesnt make it true.
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rogers was a bullshit top ten though.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 17, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
SMH lol
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
^This
These guys are very good at revisionist history. They’re like those folks at MTV and VH1 who slam “Ice Ice , Baby”. But who was playing the video 24/7 back then? Anyway, Fedor WAS ranked #1 by most P4P lists, dj, so your beef isn’t with Silva, it’s with the rankings.
by E_liminatorjr on Aug 17, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know what that means
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 17, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions
This isn't baseball
No one is counting RBI, hits, WHIP or OPS. Rankings are not an exact science. If Silva or anyone else wants to find out who should be ahead of who, then get it on and fight! WOO WOO!
Why should we care what this guy says anyway? It’s not like he’ll ever be close to Top 5 or a title contender in any company.
He's already Top 5 in Strikeforce by virtue of Strikeforce having about 5 legitimate HWs.
The more you know.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 17, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s not pretend that the HW fighters in the UFC road to a title shot are all the same.
So being the HW champion in the UFC doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re the best in the weight class.
GSP fought many competitors before his title shot and eventually defended his belt several times.
Silva fought one person in Leben, a top contender at the time, then won the belt and defended it for years.
Lesnar? He lost his UFC debut then defeated 1 person en route to a title shot against Randy Couture, a fighter that was given a title shot after a lay-off and a loss to the LHW champion. Note, Couture is back in the LHW division. Meanwhile Carwin, JDS and Velasquez all won their UFC debut and fought many competitors.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 17, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
whaaaaaat
really dude? SF has a pretty solid HW division with Overeem, Werdum, Fedor (sort of), Del Rosario, and Silva. It may not be as deep as UFC, but its got some serious talent
Strikeforce's HW division is their deepest in comparison to the UFC
Overeem, Fedor, Werdum and Bigfoot are almost on a par with Lesnar, Carwin, Cain and JDS. If all 8 guys were to fight one another, I doubt anyone finishes better than 5-2.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 17, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He's rumored to be fighting Overeem for the title next
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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree that Werdum should be 1st.
However, I do agree that many rankings sites have been chomping at the bit to put Lesnar as number one for awhile now, when his actual accomplishments aren’t necessarily the best in the division. Lesnar is the only top guy I can think of who is ranked more based on how people perceive he will do in the future rather than what he has accomplished.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 17, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions
Hell yeah!!
Sorry the whole HW rankings have been BS for a minute. Lesnar was ranked #2 after beating Herring and Couture. Whatever.
- Couture went from Liddell (Loss), Arsdale (Win), Liddell (Loss), Sylvia (title shot win) to Gonzaga (win) to Lesnar (Loss)
- Lesnar went from a Frank Murrrr (Loss), Herring (Win), Couture (Win) to the #2 HW in the world.
What I love about MMA is how you can have a 18-10 record and be considered a legend, a top HW fighter, a LHW contender AND IN THE SAME BREATH you can have an unprecedented 31 -2 record and no longer be considered #1.
Last time I checked, Frank Mir and Brock Lesnar ( 5 – 1) are 1 and 1. JDS, Velasquez and I’ll add Carwin have better performances and records than Lesnar during the same time period 2007 – present.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 17, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok
I give Brock credit where it’s due, he has very impressive wins in the HW division. I still think that fighters like Cain Velasquez and JDS are the future of the heavyweight division (Maybe Carwin if he gets his conditioning up). But from what I have seen from the HW division so far Cain Velasquez has the biggest gas tank of all the HW’s hands down, and that is a HUGE plus, especially when you can stick and move and have DIV1 wrestling to back your boxing up. I see Cain taking this belt, and defending it at least one go around. If JDS can get his cardio up and learn to not gas himself throwing bombs, I really see JDS holding it after the Cain “era” of HW
LOL @ Carwin as the future but Brock not
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I said JDS and Cain as the future
Shane has a lot of work to do on his cardio before he tops the HW division.
Plus Brocks standup is embarassing
Is everyone going to be that suprised when Cain sprawl and brawls with brock? I mean Brocks stand up is so elementary it’s not even funny.
When has JDS gassed throwing bombs? I would agree with you, Cain definitely seems to have the edge on the cardio department amongst the heavyweights, but JDS hasn’t shown any signs of acid lactosis attacks.
by soviet- on Aug 17, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All anybody says about Cain is his gas tank. This is a huge plus, but if Cain can’t stay on top for all the rounds, then his gas tank doesn’t do anything. And what happens to his gas tank once/if Brock gets on top? Cain’s going to have to go into overdrive to get Brock off. If you keep your vehicle in overdrive then you end up using a shit ton of gas. None of this is brought up by the Cain people or the fact that he’ll probably come in 30 to 40 lbs under what Brock will be. Cain has a lot better stand up. If I were making his game plan it would be to out strike Brock and defend the take down. The gas tank theory only works in certain situations.
really?
I understand where your coming from but Cain is a DIV1 wrestler aswell and people forget that, shit he is tranining for lashley who has a very impressive (if not just as impressive) of a background as Brock.
Cain will stick and move follow up, sprawl and brawl and win the fight. weight difference doesn’t mean a hill of beans when you have one of the most determined level headed fighters in MMA standing across from you in the cage.
I will be laughing when Cain takes brock down
Do you know who Brock trains with\hired to live on his ranch? Cole Konrad. He beat Cain in college. I don’t really think training partners will give either man the advantage. The big difference in their college career is that Brock won a title and Cain couldn’t. Many wrestling enthusiast, if not all, would say Cain is a better technical wrestler. Brock wasn’t known for technique. Brock won a championship on pure strength and speed.
weight difference doesn’t mean a hill of beans
As you would say…Really?
I will be laughing when Cain takes brock down
It can and probably will happen, but if Brock gets top position in the fight, it’s over.
I think Brock can survive with Cain on top.
Cain is finished if Brock gets on top, though. It’s pretty conservative to assume a 30-40 pound weight advantage for Brock – I can see it easily being 50.
Do you think that Bobby Lashley, with his comical ballooned up body, is really a good proxy for Brock?
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 17, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yes absolutley Lashley is
I really think everyone is underestimating Cain.. I guess it’s good to keep it that way so I can make a shitload of money off the lopsided lines that vegas will put out
Cain doesn’t just have a gas tank; he has a legendary gas tank.
Cain is an elite wrestler, although Brock’s credentials are admittedly better.
Cain’s stand up is excellent for the HW division. Brock’s IMO is not bad at all, although his defensive instincts aren’t good it would seem.
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by The Darkness on Aug 17, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
When he was fighting Nelson
That fight almost reminded me of Todd Duffe’s last fight. Don’t get me wrong JDS is probably one of my favorite fighters.
While his pursuit was ABSURD on Roy Nelson, he connected with a lot of solid SOLID shots, but second round he started to slow down and open himself up for Nelson to land some heavy heavy hits.
I might be completley wrong in assuming he was gassed but it looked to me he slowed down a bit in that fight. I mean after all JDS is a huge fighter and has a lot of muscle so it would be easier for him to gas
It's hilarious how people keep underrating Brock.
I’m starting to get of the opinion that if Brock gets on top of you, it’s over. On the ground, his size, quickness, and top control are unmatched in the division. Now that we know he can take huge shots and still keep his wits, what other questions are there? And he’s improving every fight. I say he gets through the Carwin, JDS, and Cain gauntlet at least once without a loss.
by Manzanillos Cup on Aug 17, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
what other questions are there?
- stand up (offense and defense)
- submissions (offense and defense)
- chin
- endurance
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by JimCrankshaft on Aug 17, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Stand up
Dropped Mir, Couture and Herring with one punch
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i just hate how ppl still want brock to lose
every time brock fights, every1 is like yest tonight brock loses..and he wins. i asked every1 what excuse will u have win brock beats carwin? lol and now cain and jds are u brock haters sport gods to beat the demon of the back woods. i like cain and jds but the only 1 to have a shot is cain. jds will not beat brock. this said big foot is right and wrong in this post. he is right bc brock shouldnt be number 1 BUT he is wrong bc he said brock shouldnt be number 1 with 5 wins and he took a beating in the 1st round. this is mma. u can get whooped every fight, but as long as u win, who can argue? if brock wins his next 3 fights, but he gets his ass whooped but pulls the W, how can u not say he isnt number1 in the ufc? he would have gsp’d the HW division.
God, the best part about Brock coming into MMA is that he just keeps winning against awesome competition. People just don’t know how to process it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
I'm glad you remembered.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 17, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I am in no way hating
I am in no way hating on Borck Lesnar, he is the HW champ.
Do I like him? No
Is that hating? No
Do I think Cain will beat him? Yes
Will you get off of Brock’s nuts anytime soon? Probably not
this kid
ha. he is getting hostile bc none of his comments mean nothing…there all nonsense.
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every time brock fights, every1 is like yest tonight brock loses..and he wins. i asked every1 what excuse will u have win brock beats carwin? lol and now cain and jds are u brock haters sport gods to beat the demon of the back woods.
That is probably the most
Idiotic jumble of words put together that I have ever seen.
every time brock fights, every1 is like yest tonight brock loses
Pretty good english right there
lol and now cain and jds are u brock haters sport gods to beat the demon of the back woods.
lol what hate are you talking about?
How about you take a deep breath and think before you type on a keyboard, especially some idiotic shit like you just posted above.
I simply stated I believe Brock does not have the stand up to match with Cain, and that Cain is just as good of a wrestler. I believe Cain will win, point blank. That’s all I said
You type like you are 12 years old, and obviously Brock Lesnar is you’r favorite fighter, I get it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Lesnar is the #1 HW for a reason
He has beaten 5 better opponents at this point of time than any other Heavyweight .
MMA fans are so fickle it’s crazy .. Frank Mir is a can ? Randy is a can ? In some idiots point of views if ur not number 1 ( and sometimes even if u are ! ) ur a can .
Brocks last 5 opponents were a harder run than Fedors , werdums , jds and Cain
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