UFC 120 to UFC 124 Betting Odds - Rampage Jackson Is the Underdog to Lyoto Machida
by Nick Thomas on Aug 16, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
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UFC 123 - Nov 20
Lyoto Machida (16-1) -275 vs. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson (30-8) +215
UFC 124 - Dec 11
Georges St-Pierre (22-2) -460 vs. Josh Koscheck (15-4) +360
UFC 120 and UFC 121 after the jump.
UFC 120 - Oct 16
Michael Bisping (19-3) -260 vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama (13-2) +205
Dan Hardy (23-7) -170 vs. Carlos Condit (25-5) +145
John Hathaway (14-0) -525 vs. Mike Pyle (19-7-1) +375
UFC 121 - Oct 23
Brock Lesnar (5-1) -175 vs. Cain Velasquez (8-0) +145
Jake Shields (25-4-1) -300 vs. Martin Kampmann (17-3) +250
Matt Hamill (9-2) -175 vs. Tito Ortiz (15-7-1) +145
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Wow, Rampage is a way bigger dog than I expected. Lyoto is rightfully the favorite, but that’s a crazy line. Even Akiyama is a good deal at that price.
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by Tim Burke on Aug 16, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was about right.
It’s unusual to see Rampage as an “underdog”, but against Lyota and given his absence from fighting for his Hollywood career prior to the Evans fight— I can see why Lyota would be favored as such.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 16, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m frankly surprised, and happy, that its not wider.
It will be very interesting to see how the odds change as money starts coming in, I’m hoping (and counting on) Rampage having a strong enough fanbase to narrow that spread considerably, so I’ll wait and see – I usually hate getting in this early anyway.
Should be a great night of fights…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HA, Tito is not favored to win.
When was the last time Tito won a professional fight?
- 2006 Was the last time he won a decisive victory. Two victories against an aging Ken Shamrock.
- Before that, his last decisive (read: unanimous or via stoppage) victory was in 2004 against current MW fighter Patrick Cote.
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VEe is ANIMated!
hamill is a great bet here I think.
unless tito pulls out again.
by Anton Tabuena on Aug 16, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the underdog lines on this event...I expect to hit a huge parlay on MMAplayground.
I’m thinking Rampage-Akiyama-Velasquez for big money, no whammies!
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
Reading comprehension fail
I like all three to win, but you can’t very well have a 3 event parlay (or can you?)
For the life of me, I read all of those as a single, monumental card to end all cards…d’oh!
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I wouldn’t touch that Akiyama fight. Not with a ten foot pole.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
WHY NOT??
Akiyama may have blown it in his last fight (not to disrespect Leben, he deserves tons of it), but Bisping doubtfully would’ve even made it to the third round in that fight. Further, Akiyama was slightly favored – and rightfully so – over Wandy. I don’t need to mention what he did to Bisping. Akiyama is a good underdog pick here since he ought to be the favorite.
by flassasin24 on Aug 16, 2010 4:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think rampage should train his wrestling
a couple power slams on machida is that way he wants to win this fight, machidas gonna go back to his usual style which he strayed away from against shogun (and in hindsight he coulda won had he dragged it out since shogun had his knee problems flaring up again)
i dont like rampage’s chances to stand and bang with machida, if jardine frustrated page its scary to think what machidas gonna do tot him
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I seriously, seriously doubt that Rampage could even get close enough to attempt any power slams. Not only that, but he hasn’t attempted those in ages, and no way he would try those on Machida.
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by RagingNoodles on Aug 16, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Machida, I would guess, is a significantly better wrestler than Rampage. I think these odds are off. Machida should be a bigger favorite.
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by The Darkness on Aug 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Silence, damn it!
Lol… Considering Machida has never been taken down by a conventional single/double leg attempt in the UFC, I find it highly unlikely Rampage will be the one…
Let’s just go with Rampage should KHTFO in the first, and preach it – that’s my story and I’m sticking to it…lol – those odds need to narrow, not widen…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anybody who has the balls to say “Silence, damn it” in an online conversations WINS.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 16, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just kidding with him. The Darkness and I find ourselves basically in agreement almost every time it seems.
In this case too, I totally agree with him, we all just have to keep it on the down low until the Rampage fanboys move the line enough to get our money in…
Then again, Subo agrees too, and if I were influenced by everyone else that alone would make me rethink my position… ;)
Of course occasionally when I do this I get third parties telling me to fuck off for talking like that to people, not realizing we’re friendly and I’m jk…
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Aug 16, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m just kidding with him. The Darkness and I find ourselves basically in agreement almost every time it seems.
In this case too, I totally agree with him, we all just have to keep it on the down low until the Rampage fanboys move the line enough to get our money in…
Then again, Subo agrees too, and if I were influenced by everyone else that alone would make me rethink my position… ;)
Of course occasionally when I do this I get third parties telling me to fuck off for talking like that to people, not realizing we’re friendly and I’m jk…
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Aug 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha. I do need to keep my big mouth shut!
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by The Darkness on Aug 16, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Machida via decision
Machida’s grappling is really good.
Stand and bang with Machida?? Nah, not at all. One, Machida doesn’t stand and trade, let alone bang. Two, I really don’t think Machida has the power to really hurt Rampage unless he has a number of pin-point accurate shots against Jackson who keeps his hands up. Not to mention, can Machida good take shots Jackson?
Machida can pull off a victory BUT he’s not stopping Rampage.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage’s submission defense is pretty good and Machida’s top game BJJ is uninspiring. I’m not seeing a submission although (i’m sure you’ll be surprised to learn that) I’ve been wrong before.
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"To be is to be the value of a bound variable." W.V.O Quine
"I shoot. I score. He shoots. I score." Dan Gable.
by The Darkness on Aug 16, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
"I got jiu-jitsu"
You have to remember that Rampage’s jiu-jitsu skills are good enough to get out of trouble or save himself from the jaws of a submission. He’s definitely aware of how and where he needs to posiition his body when he’s on his back and his opponent is on top.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
thats where he is most vulnerable
is on his back. Machida will eventually put him there and show Rampage why he is a black-belt.
by MrTechnique420 on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think Machida would be able to finish Rampage off with his fists. But if Machida hits the same type of knee he hit on Tito Ortiz in the 3rd round at UFC 84, then he is definitely going to make Rampage crumble to the mat. But the most likely and obvious scenario (for me anyways) is a decision victory for Machida.
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by RagingNoodles on Aug 16, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Knees and Rampage
You would hope at this point in his career, he has learned to defend against knees at all cost.
If he crumbles to knees by another brazilian then you really have to wonder . . . what’s going on inside Quinton’s head?
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably a decision
but I wouldn’t be surprised if Machida KO’s him. Rampage’s chin is going. He’s been knocked down in his last two fights, and he’s taken a ton of punishment (a good portion of it coming from Wanderlei’s knees).
Machida’s really just a nightmare match-up for him. I think the way to beat Machida is to push your game on him like Shogun did, but Rampage is absolutely terrible at that. He gets lulled into his opponents’ game all the time.
...like young thieves in a glowing orchard, loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing.
- C. McCarthy
Rashad didn’t knock him down. Rampage stumbled, but it’s probably because he was trying to counter Rashad with an uppercut and lost balance in the middle of the process (thanks to Rashad of course).
And Jardine knocked Jackson down?
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by dancingChicken on Aug 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Jardine got close. Rampage said it was the worst he’d been hurt in a fight and not been finished. I just see Rampage getting hurt a lot recently and think his long career’s catching up to him.
...like young thieves in a glowing orchard, loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing.
- C. McCarthy
“Rampage is absolutely terrible at that. He gets lulled into his opponents’ game all the time.”
Very true. I feel like he’s tailor made for Machida to beat him.
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"To be is to be the value of a bound variable." W.V.O Quine
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by The Darkness on Aug 16, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree with those two
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 16, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Kampmann? For rizzeal?
What’s Kampmann going to do that Daley, Mayhem, Hendo, and Lawler haven’t done? And failed at?
I think Cain is the best underdog. MMA’s unpredictable, but Lesnar’s probably fucked.
...like young thieves in a glowing orchard, loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing.
- C. McCarthy
Cain?
I understand that people see Lesnar as “touchable” after Carwin, but it was more unpredictable (i.e.— Carwin caught him with a straight) than Lesnar was overmatched against Carwin.
I certainly think that Lesnar can be beat, but Carwin has probably the most powerful punch in MMA and Lesnar absorbed it (boy, did he ever!) and was able to last the onslaught.
Cain doesn’t have the power of Carwin and certainly won’t “out wrestle” Lesnar.
I don’t see that being a good bet.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 16, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lactic Acidosis
Cain also knows how to breath when he throws his punches. Carwin does not.
by MrTechnique420 on Aug 16, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha! True, but...
… Cain doesn’t hit as hard as Carwin does.
I just don’t see this working out well for Cain and I think the odds reflect that.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain doesn’t have the power of Carwin and certainly won’t "out wrestle" Lesnar.
I completely disagree with the wrestling part. Lesnar’s wrestling is incredibly, incredibly overrated. Randy Couture got him sort of down, and Couture couldn’t even take down Brandon Vera. He had tons of trouble taking Couture down, and I think he only got one takedown – and Randy got up immediately.
i don’t rule out Lesnar just picking Cain up and slamming him once or twice though. Kongo and Rothwell both did that to him, I believe. Still, I just can’t see Cain being as helpless as Mir or Carwin. I think he’s agile enough to mess with Lesnar’s top game, and he has way, way better cardio than Carwin and doesn’t crack under a couple punches like Mir.
...like young thieves in a glowing orchard, loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing.
- C. McCarthy
i would be forced to agree in a sense
However I do personally believe lesnars wrestling is better then cain’s in effectiveness, but not in the technical standpoint. I have to say his double cain probably wont be able to stuff and the couture fight was an EXTREMELY green lesnar as it pertained to wrestling for mma. then again maybe om biased. Cain didnt impress me with his wrestling againt kongo however. Also wrestling isnt summed up in takedowns wrestling is also the ability to control your opponent on the ground which i feel Lesnar is much better at then Cain.
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by lesnarhypetrain on Aug 16, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I respect your opinion, but Lesnar is more powerful in wrestling and is more athletic. Cain might be more proficient and technically sound, but that doesn’t mean he would have an “advantage” in a matchup between the two.
As for Randy match, you’re comparing a guy who was 3 or 4 matches in his MMA career to a guy who was a legend and longtime MMA superstar. There was an experience factor that was unavoidable for Lesnar to an extent. Nevertheless, Lesnar still never looked “outclassed” in the ring, nor was there a moment that you thought this could go extremely bad (as in the Carwin fight).
I think Cain will be a good matchup and I’m looking forward to seeing it, but I think Lesnar’s size, athleticism, and increasing knowledge of MMA will still prevail.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 16, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Lesnar more athletic? I dunno. Cain is probably the first opponent who’s going to be faster than Lesnar. As crazy as it sounds, Lesnar has been faster than pretty much everyone he’s fought. Even Randy, I think.
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- C. McCarthy
Brock's disadvantage
is Cain’s knowledge. He knows whats coming and the only thing he must accomplish is stopping the takedown. We all know the only thing Lesnar hates more than working on his stand-up is getting hit in the face, & if Lesnar can’t take Cain down or rough him up against the cage, thats whats going to happen.
by MrTechnique420 on Aug 16, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
True
As i have said in past post i believe Cain’s best chance to win is a Edgar like in and out stick and move startegy to out point lesnar or atleast gas him out and go for the kill in later rounds. Lactic acidosis is a killer!
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by lesnarhypetrain on Aug 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This^
That being said, this method would not make “point spreaders” increase the odds for an upset by Cain
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 16, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You make it sound easy, the chances of Cain stopping Lesnar’s takedowns are slim to none his chances of not being up against the cage eating knees is even less. Let’s not get silly here Cain is in for the fight of his life against a bigger and better version of himself he’s got a very long road for him to win this fight.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 16, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t wait for Rampage fans to even this line out a little bit – at which point I will bet on Machida.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
Will you stop that nonsense
Too many people talking like that…just let it be what it is…and don’t wait too long to get your money in…lol
Seriously…after they move it, there will be a rush of smart money getting in there, but hopefully Rampage has enough fanboys to offset that…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 16, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lyoto is Rampage's nightmare matchup.
His movement is too good and quick to get caught with a counter left hook, and his stance is a nightmare for boxers. He can leave that lead leg out there all day against Rampage and have nothing to worry about, snap off those quick kicks to the body and circle out. Rampage doesn’t have a quick enough shot or any kicks to speak of to threaten that leg. Lyoto does a great job protecting his head from punches, and the one time he exposed it (and paid) was because of the brilliant low and mid threats of Shogun’s kicking game.
I suspect a rangy kicking attack with Rampage not scoring much of anything in terms of real damage, and the leg/body kicks adding up. This is either a Lyoto decision or late 3rd (T)KO when he flurries. The only avenues Rampage has to victory are being super smart and working a Couture styled dirty boxing against the cage game or Lyoto getting over-anxious.
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by pdl on Aug 16, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s a lot of good bets here. I think Rampage is fairly decent at that price, Sexyama can easily win that fight against Bisping, Pyle isn’t that far out of it against Hathaway, Condit has a very good shot at beating Hardy, and I even like Tito against Hamill with those odds.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
GSP -460
I wanted to write something about how that line is too large for a fight that more than likely will go to decision… then I watched the GSP-Hughes UFC 65 fight with the superman punch and the head kick and now I think you could make the line GSP – 10,000, because he’s going to grind out a win by any means necessary.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
while I pretty much agree with you
tell that to the people who bet on GSP vs Matt Serra.
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by monkeyfightclub on Aug 16, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP
Is way better now than he was then.
"You stick a microphone in a guy's face and he calls out anybody but the champion, and Joe Silva should fax him a pink slip right then." -- Chael Sonnen.
Cain-Tito parlay
looks mighty tasty.
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meh
Don’t like what I see very much. Maybe hope the Machida and GSP lines go down parlay them both.
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by monkeyfightclub on Aug 16, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
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