UFC's Shane Carwin Tied to Steroid Conviction, Records Indicate Steroid Order Intended for Fighter
by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
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MOBILE, Ala. -- A federal judge today handed down a 4-year prison term to a local pharmacist convicted of participating in a nationwide conspiracy to illegally sell anabolic steroids made in Mobile.
J. Michael Bennett, who was supervising pharmacist at Applied Pharmacy Services, was the first to be sentenced from a group of 5 men found guilty after a five-week trial earlier this year. His punishment was less than half of the 7 years and 4 months sought by prosecutors."I stand before you a different man than the one who worked for APS in 2005, even than the one who stood before the magistrate (judge) in 2007," a chastened Bennett told U.S. District Judge Ginny Granade. "I had no idea what I was doing was inappropriate."
Bennett's co-defendants, the owners of the pharmacy and an anti-aging clinic owner, are scheduled to be sentenced at a later date, and Granade suggested they face stiffer punishment.
"I don't think in the overall scheme of things, (Bennett's) culpability matches that of the pharmacy owners," the judge said.
Prosecutors referred to Bennett, 44, and the others in a sentencing memorandum as a "drug dealers in lab coats." They contended that Bennett played a key role in an enterprise involving rogue doctors and health clinics across the country who used the compounding pharmacy to supply healthy adults with dangerous steroids.
Some of those substances were veterinary drugs approved only for use in livestock.
"These are steroids for horses and cows, not for young people and humans," Assistant U.S. Attorney Donna Dobbins said.
According to court records, Applied Pharmacy Services shipped 762,388 dosages to 17 doctors and clinics from April 4, 2004, until Aug. 30, 2006. The U.S. Attorney's Office in Mobile contends that does not include many other doctors and clinics that they say participated in the conspiracy.
UFC heavyweight Shane Carwin, along with former Olympic gold medal winner and current professional wrestler Kurt Angle, were named as recipients of steroid orders that included Bennett's signature or initials:
- Shane Carwin, a former NCAA Division II wrestling champion who went on to become an Ultimate Fighting heavyweight champion.
- Kurt Angle, a former Olympic gold medal-winning wrestler and professional wrestler.
- Bob Howard, a pro wrestler from Mobile who performed under the name "Hardcore" Bob Holly.
- Tony Freeman, a professional bodybuilder nicknamed "The X-Man."
- Quincy Taylor, a professional bodybuilder.
- Dennis Newman, a professional bodybuilder.
Troy Zuccolotto, a professional bodybuilder.
Emphasis added. To what extent any of those named by U.S. Attorney Dobbins actually used steroids, I'll leave that judgment up to you. We have no way of definitely knowing, so I can't ethically speculate. I'm not morally horrified by steroid use, although I'm sure others out there don't share my opinion. And I don't expect tremendous fallout from this, but it is noteworthy.
Rather than inflame the situation with speculative guesswork, I'll echo this restrained sentiment from WKR:
Now, let's not jump the gun and call Shane Carwin a "roider" just because his name came out in court as evidence for allegedly receiving shipments of steroids along with 2 professional wrestlers (a business notorious for steroids) and 4 bodybuilders (another business notorious for steroids)...
...I'm sure he will be addressing this via Twitter, his website, or select media outlets. All we have is the word of a man under oath and penalty of a court of law and receipts of orders containing steroids addressed to Mr. Carwin that were directly signed by the convicted Bennett.
I'm sure more details will follow as they are released.
Nothing to see here, folks. Just move along.
HT: SteveFT79
UPDATE: Justin Klein, who runs the fantastic Fight Lawyer blog, has this nugget:
While the names of the athletes are not provided in full (the list of the names was separately provided in unredacted form under seal) the chart below from the Sentencing Memorandum provides, inter alia, the types of steroids used and the timeframe for what appears to be the abbreviation of the athletes' names.
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Wait a minute
Hasn’t Shane Carwin passed all his UFC drug tests? Therefore, he is totally clean and this is BS and lalalalalalalalala I’m not listening.
BOOSH
This stuff stopped shipping around Carwin's 5th pro fight.
So this story seems to be, at the moment, irrelevant to his UFC career. Although it certainly isn’t good for his image.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 14, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Or irrelevant to his fighting career period since there is no date specified of when he recieved the steroids.
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Actually
http://www.fightlawyerblog.com/2010/08/professional-athletes-linked-to-alabama.html
Here are the dates and the stuff that he – allegedly – ordered.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow good find Luke! If true I definitely have lost some respect for Carwin
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If true? This is a court document dude.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously.....
I mean we all know that Carwin took steroids at some point in his life. You cant be that big without anabolics at some point. Its everywhere. Not a big deal in my mind. You dont think Arlovski wasnt taking seroids when he was champ? Have you seen the mass difference from then to now?
Steroids are in all sports. And its much more common then most people think. Get over it. Not a big deal. We need to establish rules and laws that allow competitors in all sports to use them safely….. so they dont have to use them behind the curtain dangerously, deny taking them, and then suffer consequences when they are discovered to be using.
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But it’s still cheating.
The problem with the “legalize all steroids” viewpoint is that then the sport becomes a competition between chemists. Why are you so sure that better testing and prevention can’t be developed or implemented? And is it really a matter of hopelessly inadequate testing methods, or is the UFC (and other top sporting organizations) reluctant to be as stringent as possible? I would bet on the latter.
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by lnathan on Aug 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. But competitve sports is all a science to some degree anyhow from what we eat to our nutritional supplements, to our excercises.
Dammit I want Clay Guida’s blood tested! There’s no way a guy can expend that amount of energy before a fight and still fight the way he does!
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Aug 14, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
"The problem with the "legalize all steroids" viewpoint is that then the sport becomes a competition between chemists"
It already is.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Prob
But why because 1 person has a lack of integrity mean that it is the standard for everybody. There are still people who do things to test themselves. Not just to be the best at all costs. We need to stop being so indifferent to this subject. Purity is important in copetition. The only variables in man vs man competition should be in fighting styles and god given talent and strength.
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by Pha Q on Aug 15, 2010 4:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s already incredibly influenced by science with nutrionists, strength and conditioning specialists, and whatever legal supplements you can find.
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@Barack – Yes, but do you really think that the UFC—given various commercial pressures—has the strictest possible testing? My point was that the argument that goes, “We should legalize steroids because our tests are hopelessly outpaced by advances in athletes’ drugs” is invalid because most organizations’ drug testing is abysmal at best.
@Mike – You’re being pedantic. I meant ‘chemists’ as in people who help athletes take illegal drugs. There is a difference between strength and conditioning training and taking steroids (although it is likely that some of these athletes’ s&c coaches procure the drugs for their clients).
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There’s not a big difference between steroids/growth hormones, various other legal/illegal PEDs, and the Wild West that is the supplement industry, though, is there?
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Compeition between chemists....
It will always still be this. Currently chemists are finding newer ways to beat a test in order for their clients to still take an anabolic supplement. That point is not valid
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If there was a shot that would instantly make me a better writer and they said it’d kill be ten years faster, I’d have said, Let’s shoot this up.
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Leave Arlovski out of it. No need to throw out accusations based on nothing. I have worked out with him, it’s not steroids that has caused his mass to lessen.
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To those fools who think only the fighters who get caught have used steroids give me a break. I believe the majority of fighters have used at one time or another. There is no other way many of the fighters have put on the lean muscle mass that they have. And anyone who thinks Lesnar hasn’t is just a little deluded.
Steroids are a reality of the modern sports world, we have to find some reality regarding their use and safety. A good analogy would be pretending like teenagers aren’t having sex so make it difficult for them to get condoms.
NO REASON?
Lesnar is the belt holder and just fought Carwin and he is bigger than possible without, how is there not a connection between the two fighters?
This was from 2004-2006 which covers Shane's first 5 fight
Where he used to fight at near 300 lbs of almost pure muscle. So either he’s gotten off or he’s found better shit…ALLEGEDLY.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I heard a bit of locker room chatter suggesting such.
In all fairness locker room chatter is worse than a sewing circle for gossip, so take this with a grain, or shaker full, of salt.
As I heard, he had trouble getting fights in regionals for this reason. Nobody wanted to fight somebody that was strongly suspected of using. It was considered common “knowledge.” I use quotes because, again, this was all gossip. I am making no accusations or statements about Mr. Carwin, simply relaying what I heard others say about Mr. Carwin.
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Shane will own up to his mistakes.
Going by his classy persona, you can bet that he’ll come out and admit that he’s used in the past, but has since learned the errors of his ways etc. etc. etc.
UFC’s testing does seem fairly thorough, but it would be a mistake to assume that everyone who has ever been 100% clean in the UFC wouldn’t leap at the chance to take PED’s if they were in some other organization without testing. So while Shane should be admonished for his apparent “disrespect for the sport” (and no, “everyone does it” doesn’t change that), I’m not automatically holding everyone else above the guy simply because as I said, it’s not like everyone in the UFC who has tested clean has done so out of sheer respect for the competition of MMA.
But as others have said, this will damage his image, despite his impending Twitter response (which will surely amount to nothing more than an apology to his fans, recognizing the error of his ways, and being quick to point out that he’s been clean in the UFC, as if that will make everyone just look the other way).
Clear fighter bashing. Someone of Shane’s moral fiber would never resort to even associating with such scrupulous characters, let alone consume illicit substances.
I eagerly await Shane’s boneheaded Twitter retort.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 14, 2010 1:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 9 recs
Shane just wouldn’t do that…..
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Posts like this make me think the BE editors are a bit too close to this story. I haven’t read all the relevant threads, but I get the impression there is a lot of animosity over Shane’s comments about the site.
by smoogy2 on Aug 14, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Awesome.
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by pdl on Aug 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Karma
Looks like it’s coming around and biting Shane Carwin in the ass. I’m under no illusions that there isn’t a large portion of PED users in the sport, just seems Carwin’s good guy schtick is going to bit him in the ass on this.
Also, totally off topic, but maybe we could get some front page love for MMA being regulated in Ontario?
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by Worldisart on Aug 14, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Cheers Luke!!
I know there’s a lot of community members here from Ontario and we’re all quite excited!
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Meh, it was a matter of time until something like this happened. I feel somewhat sorry for Shane because let’s be honest, they’re all doing it, he was just unlucky enough to be caught it.
That said, it’s slightly lulzworthy in light of his relentless sanctimony.
Whether you care about PED use or not (I don’t), why would you feel bad for someone breaking the rules?
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 14, 2010 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think his point was the “barry bonds” effect- everyone is doing it, but one person becomes the scapegoat or pariah
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not what's happening to Shane Carwin
Certainly not based off something that’s a day old. Carwin brings this kind of scrutiny on himself.
If anyone is the poster boy/scapegoat for PED users in MMA, it’s Josh Barnett.
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If baseball writer twats try to keep him out of the hall, I’ll sleep comfortably knowing he was the best baseball player of my generation.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 14, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well...nobody back in the day had to take steroids...
…just insane amounts of amphetamines.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
no way to know that for certain
Terry Bradshaw admitted to taking steroids. I refuse to believe there was no crossover.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t surprise me if that whole Steeler team was on something.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Technically Bradshaw was talking corticosteroids not anabolic
And getting say a cortizone shot isn’t the same thing as some stanny, but I’m sure some guys were on the juice way back when…..these drugs weren’t new then either.
Not afraid to nitpick
Hank Aaron is an self-admitted “greenie” user. Keep him out of the hall!
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 14, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly. I don’t see how PEDs are in any way worse or more effective than greenies, or that type of stimulant. Wasn’t there a nickname for the 80s Mets teams that drank amphetamines in their coffee?
and there is no distinction between amphetamines and steroids, in my mind, except for the muscle growth. amphetamines may be even better for performance in baseball, with the exception of hitting dingers
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Amphetamines are PEDs.
There’s also been studies that show that caffeine improves athletic performance as well.
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i agree that amphetamines are, but the common reference to PED refers to steroids and HGH. anything that dynamically improves performance in my mind is a PED
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
PED refers to all classes of performance enhancing drugs
Although colloquially I suppose the average person equates PEDs with anabolic steroids and/or hGH…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i believe the nickname was “cokeheads.”
Or that could be because of the massive amounts of coke, I have to find my copy of the bad guys won. Everyone should at least read this chapter
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/040603
Is that the animated NPR interview? So good.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love this video
Being a big baseball fan, first time I saw it I was rolling on the floor laughing.
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it boggles my mind how nobody cares about this.
I wonder which one has done more harm to society?
I don’t get how people can slam people for doing steroids in the 90s but ignore the rampant greenie use.
Steroids have been used as athletic performance enhancers for decades
Anecdotely back to the 1940’s, publicly acknowledged and/or documented back to at least the mid-1950’s.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness
So do cigarettes, alcohol and any number of things put in processed foods.
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Also, stabbing yourself in the face. That’s still legal, right?
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by Holls Hoyce on Aug 14, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, after watching a pro-smoking documentary from some smokers,
I’m on the fence about smoking. I mean, doctors may say it’s bad for you, but the documentary was really convincing. I liked how it kinda showed both sides, but people who watch it all feel like smoking isn’t all bad.
Ahem.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the bigger stronger faster documentary wasn’t pro- steroids, if anything it just pointed out the dichotomy in thought that plagues the US. It was basically saying that we single out steroids due to the taboo, while not acknowledging that everyone, in their own way, has their own type of drug.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It about our obsession
with exaggerated physiques, right?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
most of it, yeah. It shows that male children are infused with this mentality that bigger is better, and has a demonstration of action figurines as they’ve evolved over the years. Pretty enlightening stuff.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
G.I. Farnsy
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer
Captain Farnsworth, the Beautiful.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a complete aside, but my father worked for Hasbro during the 80s, and his face was actually cast as a GI Joe figurine. And not just like a single one made for him, it was a mass produced item. Look up “Dialtone”
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s awesome.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
“Fuck you. My Dad’s GI Joe bitch, I’m taking my game and going home” That is pretty awesome but did it make you pretend not to like Cobra Commander as much?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha my dad is really low key, and i didn’t find out about it until i was 17/18 yo. I wish i knew at a younger age. The figurine is a splitting image of him in the 80s though, mustache and all.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You would have been running the playground.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed it the other day
Definitely catching it next time. Did they call it the Adonis complex?
I thought that too, about today’s action figures. Do they really need to look like 300lb body builders?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly. They gave the dimensions for if a current action figure was a real person. Something like 28 inch biceps and a 60 inch chest, with like a 30 inch waist.
I don’t remember the exact terms they used, i’ve only watched it twice, but it was very similar to the adonic complex.
It also has a LOT of enlightening information on the supplement industry. I’ve taken NOXplode three or four times, and i never will take that shit again.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
"Something like 28 inch biceps and a 60 inch chest, with like a 30 inch waist."
Sounds like me, back in my football days…..
There is no regulation of supplements, as you already know, so yeah, they can put anything(inert or not) into bottles and sell it.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You say that,
And yet the takeaway for most people who bring it up is that steroids should be legal. How do you explain that?
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because the argument is that if all these other substances that are harmful for the body are legal, why would you punish people who enjoy the effects of steroids?
It’s not pro-steroids, its anti-double standard
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, it's not?
So what would the policy recommendation be?
Playing rhetorical games is fun, but let’s be serious.
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we’ve tangled before. I’m not trying to play rhetorical games , or devil’s advocate. I believe that either alcohol and cigarettes should be illegal, or weed and steroids shouldn’t be. people shouldn’t be punished because they have a debilitating drug of preference that is outside the taboo of the sheep’s mentality.
watch the movie with an open mind.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
But saying that the movie isn’t pro-steroids because it only suggests that steroids should be made more widely available is absolutely playing games.
I like the comparison between steroids, cigarettes and alcohol: none of them are illegal, but all are highly regulated. With that in mind, what would be your policy recommendations for all three?
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I want to go through the archives
and look for the amount of times you have either admitted you were wrong, or backed off an internet argument.
For every instance I find, I will give you one internet dollar.
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by Farthammer on Aug 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know this sounds crazy
…but I’m actually very good at admitting when I’m wrong. You won’t see much of that on BE because:
a) we mostly deal with opinions here, which exist somewhere sideways from right or wrong, and
b) because this is the internet, it’s easy to check before hitting post.
As for backing off, why would I when I’m right? amadeus here is contending that it isn’t a pro-steroid movie even though it was produced by steroid users who think that policy should be relaxed in relation to steroid use. If that doesn’t meet your definition of pro-steroid, then we have to talk about what “pro” means, I guess.
Up it to TWO internet dollars and I’ll help you look! :-)
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Oooh
Here’s me admitting I was wrong about something Fitch said. I remembered the interview but couldn’t find it at first, so I wrote that Fitch had said that Kos was the best wrestler in MMA when the only interview I could find has him saying “in the [welterweight] division.”
My bad!
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But are you happier?
I’d bet you’re not as cool either. :-)
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I was on the fence about the argument that steroids are detrimental to your health. There are studies for both sides of the argument. I can’t condone PEDs in sport. It’s cheating no matter how you look at it.
Well, again...
documentaries are a funny thing. They get to pick and choose what shows up on camera, and you can’t easily – while watching – determine everyone’s bias and credentials.
But yeah: even if steroids were the greatest thing for you, they’re against the rules, so we agree. :-)
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King of Kong was heavily edited and left out many important details. Regardless Billy Mitchell is a supreme douche nozzle all on his own.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 15, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say they were full of lies!
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cigarettes, alcohol, any otc drug, basically everything has potentially harmful effects. but the stigma of needles gives steroids the bad rap.
watch bigger, stronger, faster. it’s pretty enlightening
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think cigs & alcohol should be illegal too
i live a healthy lifestyle but if people want to ruin their bodies its fine with me
It’s fine with you.. but you want it to be illegal? That sounds a bit conflicting.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 14, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like that pack is flipping me off.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing should be illegal under the single premise that it harms a voluntary user.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Bill Hicks
“Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body – as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
This should be tattood
on every politician on Earth.
by Riney on Aug 14, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
OK
“as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”
but for people who are punching each other in the head?
Use more judges.
Hicks would probably dislike MMA, true. I don’t have a problem because it’s all consensual.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
right
but if I’m going to consent to fighting, I should know whether the other guy is allowed to use PEDs. And if he’s not allowed and does, then it’s cheating.
Use more judges.
by MasonA on Aug 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course he wouldn’t! He was the coolest SOB on the planet, I refuse to think he’d have a problem with MMA being committed between consenting adults.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 14, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that while he would think between consenting adults is OK, it wouldn’t do anything beneficial to people overall, as it’s a sport dedicated to destruction of other people. Squeegee your third eye!
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as...
you aren’t harming others to get money to buy those drugs after your run out of your own money…you don’t harm others via the actions you take while under the influence of that alcohol…as long as others aren’t abused in the making of that pornography…as long as the rest of society doesn’t have to shoulder the burden for the costs of the cancer/emphysema/countless-other-diseases you get from smoking and everything else.
Totally, what business is it of everyone else who is either harmed in the making of your vices, harmed as a by product of your use, or footing the bill later when your health takes a nose dive.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
by Razreshat on Aug 14, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would you like to smell my farts as well as your own?
Totally agree with you, by the way. Just seemed appropriate based on the verbiage.
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by James Brady on Aug 14, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
just to play devil's advocate
especially as we’re all paying now for health insurance for each other (or soon will be), you doing something that will almost certainly worsen your health and cause you to be a financial drain on the system does harm me and everyone else.
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 15, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
...as long as that use won't harm others or incur too high a cost for society in general.
Right?
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by jemaleddin on Aug 14, 2010 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Is there something ambiguous about my statement? I thought it was very clear.
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It was clear but incomplete.
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by jemaleddin on Aug 14, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, it was 100% complete.
“Nothing should be illegal under the single premise that it hurts the voluntary user.”
What is incomplete about that statement?
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I don’t think it’s incomplete, but I think it may be misunderstood (or maybe I’m not understanding you).
Legal doesn’t mean that it’s not subject to taxation and regulation (same as cigarettes and alcohol). Those things may only harm the individual user, but costs would be passed along to others in the form of higher taxes due to our social safety net. Rather than raise everyone’s taxes (including those who don’t indulge), the taxation should be sufficient to offset the anticipated long term costs to Medicare, Medicaid, etc.
Of course, it would be nice if the politicians actually used the taxes for that purpose instead of using it as general revenue.
"incur too high a cost for society"
this statement bothers me… it is one of the reasons why the универсальный план медицинского should be abolished
It's based on one of the arguments against cigarettes
To whit, cigarettes smokers are only hurting themselves, until they develop horrible cancers and the rest of us are left paying the bill for their treatment. Do what you like, but why do I have to pay for it?
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i agree 100%
the responsible should not have to pay ANY bills for the irresponsible…
Posting a link in the title prevents it from actually linking to the intended page.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This IS that kind of site after all...consider it practice
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Technically, so does oxygen.
Shit, if our primordial ancestors didn’t start having sex we’d be immortal.
by John Nash on Aug 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Steroids are not illegal
Well, most are not illegal, although they are regulated as Schedule III drugs by the FDA (along with most barbituates, moderate strength narcotics (codeine, hydrocodone) and some milder stimulant combos.
They are not even Schedule II (triplicate rx required) drugs like the stronger narcotics, most stimulants, almost all ADD meds (Ritalin, Adderall, Concerta).
It is however generally illegal to prescribe them for performance-enhancement purposes, although I would argue they should not be as far less harm would be done than under the current black market system.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He was just exploring treatment options
for lactic acidosis. Nothing to see here indeed.
by Scott Haber on Aug 14, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
When is this joke going to die already?
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Aug 14, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
When I stop getting sick enjoyment out of it. Shane should NEVER live that down. Never.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 14, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I'm way more tired of the "TBA" joke
than the lactic acidosis joke.
Just glad “signature guillotine” died a quick death though.
They both ceased being funny a long time ago.
But both can be counted on to make appearances in the relevant posts at least three or four times and end up greened damn near every time.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Aug 14, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
"A long time ago"?
When was UFC 116 again?
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by jemaleddin on Aug 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have to take into consideration that
just about every post, article, and fanshot has had some sort of barely relevant lactic acidosis joke in the comments. I’ve seen about 4 months worth of those jokes in a one month time period.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 14, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like the problem is your BE addiction.
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Whatever man I can log off anytime. I just don’t want to right now.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
you're cheating
reading that much BE gives you a performance advantage
Good thing theres no piss test for keyboard warriors
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There is actually
And Lyoto Machida drinks it to see if you test positive.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
If that were the case Lyoto would never pass a drug test
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool story, bro
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Lactic acidosis is funny because it’s about Shane Carwin. At least, thats why it gets a chuckle out of me.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lactic acidosis stopped being funny
and then Carwin made his pathetic posts on the UG asking for lactic acidosis help and it became funny again
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And then it's revealed that he's been trying to get cardio from a needle
And it’s funny for an extra month.
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I hate TBA jokes too. That shit is.. never funny.
Also, “Paul Harris” is stupid, it was funny the first time but not anymore, and it’s really not that hard to spell Palhares. Sadly it seems it has caught on with most people though.. so I suspect my dislike will change nothing.
/end rant
by Horselover Fat on Aug 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
TBA had to pull out of a fight with Paul Harris due to a bout of lactic acidosis. Signature guillotine. Choi this.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Blackout612 on Aug 14, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
uber epic brah
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss "Choi'd"
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So do I
Strangely, it popped into my head that we don’t say that anymore while I was at the grocery store a few days back.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Couple guys at the office have been using Puji Money lately.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha!
PUJI MONEY!
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
By the way Street Fighter vs Tekken say what?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing
Sucks that it won’t be out for two years, though.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
gives me plenty of time for Marvel Capcom 3
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m more excited for that game than I have been for anything in a while.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
That and FF13 VS are on my list
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t seen shit for that, so I can’t say I’m necessarily pumped for it. Deus Ex, Fable 3, the new Mortal Kombat and a couple others, however..
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
I have high hopes it should be great. New Vegas has my attention. Halo Reach can fuck itself and Black Ops might make IW look pretty smart after all.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Beard'd
It’d make him a lot of puji money.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
lol.. ok, that was kind of funny. Well done!
by Horselover Fat on Aug 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Explosive black guys (that's redundant)
Is still a cool joke, right?
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
A friend of mine sells NO2 Black to a lot of guys that want to be explosive
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I've gotten in trouble twice recently
With people who weren’t familiar with the joke here.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Bunch of weirdos..
But yah, I’m still ok with explosive black guys joke. Phil Davis not liking being called it is what made it all the better, and I see it as positive that we can acknowledge that there naturally exists some differences due to genetics (which is something the PC crowd frowns upon) in a casual manner. So by all means, continue with the explosive jokes!
by Horselover Fat on Aug 14, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think this is another case of foot-in-mouth for him
For me what did it was the Huerta bashing after the fight. He’s gonna try and spin this but you can’t. You had steroids sent to your house with your name on the box.
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by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Aug 14, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
Can he get in much trouble (other than to his rep) if this is true? If he tests clean when tested around fight time; will the commission be able to do anything about something like this?
He can't get into trouble
but his rep is tarnished to shit.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Props Luke
This story, which was very newsworthy, was handled well by you and professinally with nothing but fairness! Thumbs up!
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So, let me get this right. Are you somehow implying that this isn’t newsworthy? And I’m failing to see where there was anything unprofessional, or unfair, stated in the article.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 14, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No I was being serious. It wasn’t meant to be sarcastic. That was a sincere props to Luke.
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Oh, well then, carry on good sir. lol
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder what kind of holier than thou self righteous response Shane is going to spew out.
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You know what
Energy drinks are PED’s. I said it. I feel better for it.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Caffeine is actually one of the best if not the best exercise supplement.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 14, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yup.
a lot of bodybuilders chug red bull before. I used to drink half a monster, but i can’t do it anymore. After watching bigger stronger faster, I’m going to be all natural the rest of my life. It just isn’t worth it.
Except Aleve man, that is the SHIT.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Relatively low amounts of Caffeine
Will cause a fail on a USADA test.
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by Drunken cutman on Aug 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Caffeine is relatively harmless in low doses before exercise, it can help prevent injuries as well so I tend to have a 5 hour energy before BJJ to hit myself with some caffeine real quick before warming up.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about caffeine
my personal preference is good ol’ coffee and green tea. I may eat a few peanut m&ms as well, for the sugar spike.
5 hour energy is worthless, to me. A little bottle full of gook that probably will be off the shelves in a matter of years. I keep it all natural, earth substances.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Peanut M&Ms are now earth substances?
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Aug 14, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
chocolate and peanuts? eh, they aren’t energy drinks.
chocolate has proven beneficial effects as a natural mood enhancer. peanuts are fucking delicious. And i like the colors, so sue me.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
& the coffee & green tea
if it’s been processed, its no longer natural.
by MrTechnique420 on Aug 14, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
semantics. they are much more natural than manufactured gook.
and trust me, i’ve drank a LOT of energy drinks. My fraternity was sponsored by Monster in college. It was awesome for throwing parties, but you really feel the spikes and lows over time.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As a diuretic?
Testosterone is number one. If we’re talking legal supplements, Cell Tech(creatine+NO2) is on top of my list. H-drol and P-mag are great legal prohormones as well.
Androgens are just another level, you really can’t compare them to anything else. Even amphetamines don’t actually increase you true physical capacity the way that juice does.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Red Bull, Monster, ect.
are for kids. Anybody with a working brain knows all of those beverages are garbage & have no vitamins or nutrients that you need to efficiently energize your body.
People also seem not to understand the effects of caffeine as far as “energy” it doesn’t wake you up or give you energy what it does is block a receptor for a hormone that promotes sleep/tiredness in the body so your body may be fatigued but you won’t feel the effects you normally would because the hormone receptor is blocked by the caffeine.
Got the Summer hatin on me cus I'm hotter than the sun. Got the Spring hatin on me cus I ain't never sprung. Winter hatin on me cus I'm colder than ya'll; and I will never I will never I will never Fall.
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 14, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
List of what Carwin is reportedly to have ordered (Thanks Luke)
Tronbolone, Testosterone, Stanozohol and Nandrolone
If I see Roy Nelson in the list
I’mma have lactic acidosis
If I wake up tomorrow and see that the world has ended, then that means God has finally granted my prayers.
GO Armageddon!!!
nah, that belly is all natural
I can attest that through hard work anyone can have a belly like that
If you consider double whoppers natural.
by ufc4 on Aug 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great reporting
Important facts, in a restrained tone. Temptation must have been there to gloat, but you get it professional.
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Timeline...
October 2005 – Carwin makes his MMA debut.
Then, no fights for 5 months.
January 2006 – begins receiving steroids, according to chart.
March-June 2006 – fights 4 times in 3 months.
August 2006 – stops receiving steroids, according to chart.
Then doesn’t fight again for over a year.
by Chris Nelson on Aug 14, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
While Mike Chiappetta is saying taht his association ended with this doctor 4 years ago…I think it is completely fair to wonder about the last 4 years.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wagon circling happening in record time!
by Jonathan Snowden on Aug 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First time i saw Carwin fight against Neil Wain my initial impressions were that the guy’s upper body looked unnaturally blown up.
I am not really suprised at this but non the less disappointed.
It seems to happen in MMA too much and is one thing that puts me off the sport a bit,not really knowing who’s juicing and who isn’t.
The urine tests don’t find half the PED’s there are out there,not to mention HGH.
I can’t be the only one who read J Bennett as J Barnett for a moment right? :(
by Superstitiousmma on Aug 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
What's the big deal?
Even A Rod juiced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVUbkKYbQVA
Watch it, its worth it. Check out 1:30 or so.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
If were going to look at past accusations
don’t even deny it.
by MrTechnique420 on Aug 14, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
not trying to deny it
but if you see a High School picture of Brock, he’s always been a monster. If anything, it looks like he took cutting agents for the WWE to get more ripped.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No he did not.
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying he’s pure and innocent but he has never been caught with any PED’s
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
That is my wisdom filled input.
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
God bless God
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
So is there any connection between steroids and lactic acidosis?
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Your scalp will eat your own hair.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See
Brock is innocent. He could not have that Heel Flat Top Of Heeldom if he was roiding!
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is a hearty heel top. If Zeus was to get a haircut he’d say “Give me the Brock Top”
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Juicer don't feel the burn.
When they do, its easy to ignore it.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No One
is 6’ 3",265lbs and hardly carrying any fat,naturally.
It’s just genetically impossible,mesomorph or not.
by Matt Mosley on Aug 14, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In those days he was 300+
Way more ripped than he is now.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure a lot of the wrestling journalist will tell you he was likely on steroids, but honestly who cares what he took before MMA. He did it to look good if he did use them.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I agree 100%
We all benefited from his use, he’ll be the one to pay. Why do we care?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone putting that stuff in there bodies is making an idiotic decision.
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by Noah'sArk on Aug 14, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
do you agree with smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, taking otc pain killers, etc?
if you do, then you’re hypocritical for your previous comment
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
But people don’t drink alchohol or take pain killers in competition.
Well,some people do i suppose. :)
The main reason it bothers me is that users are obviously getting an unfair advantage in cheating.
Not caring about this issue and just sweeping it under the carpet is the going down a slippery slope,imo.
If MMA really became notorious for PED abuse,i think it could start to lose some fans as victories and championships just become hollow and meaningless if achieved by cheating.
This pretty obvious but thats what i think on the subject.
i could argue this all day, but we’d get nowhere. it’s too nice out.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Under the current rules, someone using illegal substances is cheating and should be punished as such.
That said, there’s a very legitimate argument that a lot of banned substances should not be banned.
PED use =/= PED abuse, either.
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I completely agree
It’s the lazy “ban everything so we don’t have to draw a line” mentality.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Agreed
Anabolic steroids are already legal, but they should be legalized for performance enhancement as well – this would actually lead to a more level, rather than less level playing field, and if legalized much of the tainted and counterfeit drugs would disappear, and what remains could be taken safely, under proper medical supervision.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless of course...
you can’t afford as good a PED as your opponent.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
lol...right...
Or you can’t afford as good of a training team
Or can’t afford the same suppliments…
Or can’t afford to eat as high of quality of protiens…
Seriously though, when obtained legally the prices are pretty low, less than many guys spend already on their suppliments.
Not to mention the fact the the great gains obtained during the first ever cycle far exceed those of any subsequent cycles…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Juicing in pro-wrestling means nothing to MMA.
If Brock fought in some other league for half his career with no testing, then came to the UFC, then maybe this would be relevant. But he only had 1 fight outside the UFC, and since then has been tested. Shane used PED’s to get an advantage in the sport of MMA… Brock did it to look like a monster on TV to better his character. Totally different, and a completely irrelevant argument.
I'm guessing that reply was not meant for me...
But, the UFC is not responsible for the testing, that is completely on the various state atheletic commissions.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 19, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
i disagree. A lot of black athletes are that big. but that brings up a whole other argument, and i wouldnt like to be the bringer of that one.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
That size and leanness is not common anywhere.
There are black guys naturally bigger, stronger and leaner but not many. Not to say its impossible.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil Davis
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Is 50 lbs
lighter than Lesnar and 1" taller.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Right I am just referring to being leaner
and the strength not the size.For his size, that dude is a monster….If that makes sense
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Jones?
6’4", around 235, and still growing. look how lean he is.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The misconception that everyone who uses is a jacked up monster....
…is really funny.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 14, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You leave the Twins alone!
Damn White Sox fans..
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by Blackout612 on Aug 14, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's funny
that no matter how many small or fat guys get caught juicing, people still point at big guys.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but
A great deal of that is because of ignorance (of proper usage and training), mis-use and counterfeit drugs due to their illegality for performance enhancement.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Bigfoot actually has a medical condition that causes all of that. Abe Lincoln is actually thought to have had the same disease.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not leaner
But there are lots of NFL guys that are bigger/stronger/faster than Lesnar.
Not afraid to nitpick
too bad none of them could beat his ass though.
by MrTechnique420 on Aug 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrel Brown, Ole Miss
Lensar is really really weak compared to O linesman.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
6' 11" 415lbs
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think that would be a pretty big hindrance to him at that point
He’d have his uses obviously but as an every down linemen I’d think he’d be too slow.
Not afraid to nitpick
He's improving
In short yardage, you couldn’t find a better blocker anywhere. He’s just a mountain on legs.
He’s not that slow, for his size. It doesn’t really matter though, all he has to do is not be moved.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
But 2nd and 10 in a passing situation, I can’t imagine he’d be a guy you want on the field trying to block a stunt/blitz. Yeah as a guard in a short yardage/QB sneak type situation, not much anyone could do.
Not afraid to nitpick
Sebastian Vollmer on the Pats is 6"8"
And he’s a great blocker.
I think Brown would be awesome on the D line for PATs though, if he has any semblance of a vertical
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not about height
It’s weighing 415. Vollmer is listed at 315, plus he’s German so he’s gotta be good at getting off to quick starts.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah 415 is pretty serious, seeing as Shaq is a monsterous person and is closer to 340/350.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just so wide.
He carries 400 lbs like it was 300 :)
These days in the NFL, 350+ is becoming standard. Those big guys can really move too. Giant 300lb motherfuckers running 4.6 40y dash.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
4.6?
No sir, but quick for their size, sure.
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julius peppers and adalius thomas are monsters, and have sub 5 second 40s
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, sir.
there at least 3 guys close to 300lbs running 4.5-4.6 forties. Look up the combine numbers.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fuckin terrifying.
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine a fist fight with them
How much power do they have to have to run that fast?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
They say
If Lebron was a boxer, he’d have more power than Mike Tyson. And a way way bigger hand to connect with.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If Lebron decided to be a fighter, he would probably be the greatest fighter of all time.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
what couldn't he do?
If GSP can wrestle, and Kos can box, Lebron can do anything. Imagine his double leg. Who could stop that?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If Lebron was a fighter
He’d tell everyone he was the greatest of all time. Then he’d lose one title shot, and never make it back again.
BOOSH
True
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
I bet if we were trying to find punching power
MLB pitchers would be a much better bet. Ultra loose shoulders on guys who know how to use their hips to generate rotational energy. I would not want to be punched by Josh Johnson.
Not afraid to nitpick
Lebron would definitely be more ideal
Have you seen any of the Sports Science shit on one of his dunks? Absolutely scary shit.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Can you imagine his hammerfist?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I just shit my pants
Whether he has the mentality to be a fighter is another question, but if he did, he would be Jon Jones x5.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
yep, he just don't have it in him.
He’s probably never even been in a fight.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we saw in Miami that he can make a ridiculous entrance on a ramp.
Bring back PRIDE!
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
RREBLONNN JAAAMEESUUU!!!
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Zumaya threw so hard he broke his elbow just by pitching!
I almost guarantee if we are trying to get a fist moving with as much energy as possible that the guys throwing 98 would be better at it than LeBron. The arm actions and rotation are extremely similar.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think a pitcher would ruin his whole arm throwing punches like pitches.
Pitching is SO bad on the body, if they hit a solid object like that once, its over.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Dave Dravecky
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That was sad as fuck.
Thanks :(
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I sorry
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously it wouldn't be exactly the same motion
But the scap loading, core rotation and front side mechanics are basically identical, the hand/elbow path and all that would have to change to be more linear obviously—-but pitchers have insanely quick core rotation and loose shoulders and that’s what it’s all about.
Not afraid to nitpick
Probably faster speed
but overall, Lebron has a perfect body to punch.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I simply disagree
Lebron’s speed+strength is far greater than anything Zumaya could do as a fighter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7rq8lhetLA
You’re welcome.
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by Blackout612 on Aug 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh 1125 degrees per second?
“The arm flips forward at the shoulder joint with an angular velocity of 7,200 degrees per second,” says Fleisig. “If a pitcher’s arm kept up that velocity for a full second, it would make 20 full revolutions. It’s just phenomenal.”
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.06/strikeout.html
Not afraid to nitpick
Lebrons not trying to dunk as hard as possible though.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No but pitchers rotate their shoulders at the human limit of possibility
It doesn’t get faster without tearing ligaments in half.
Not afraid to nitpick
Without? :)
Pitchers tear more ligaments than any other position.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This also gives me the impression that his arm would snap and his hand would shatter if he ever hit an object with anywhere near that amount of force.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the point
“that amount of force” is what they are capable of generating on basically every pitch, maybe LeBron could do it I don’t know, but the dudes throwing 100 have all the genetic requirements to deliver punching power at the literal human limit IMO.
Not afraid to nitpick
If Lebron was a pitcher
would you agree then?
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just his frame and strength
would make throwing 90 easy.
I know guys, I’m sure you do to, who are 6’5" 250 throwing 92 or so. I have no doubt, with MLB coaching, Lebron would do even better than that.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Had he trained from an early age there’s little doubt he could have gotten to 90, but I have a lot of doubt that he could get to upper 90s/100. Not impossible, but unlikely. If he had that kind of genetic “arm” strength, he’d have been a QB in football. That ability usually shows signs at a very early age.
Not afraid to nitpick
He was an amazing football player.
he would have made way way way way less money than he does playing basketball. Allen Iverson was one of the best QB’s in the nation. Jason Williams is another. A lot of NFL guys wish they could play in the NBA.
I can throw in the mid 80’s with no training and a tiny frame.
You must mean throwing 100, on target consistently.
Truthfully, the difference of a few MPH is negligible if we’re talking about punching ability. Lebron weighs so much and is going to be swinging down. His velocity would still be great.
Also, a pitcher would have to change his mechanics a lot to throw a safe clean punch, which would greatly decrease the speed of the motion. The whole body is contorted so much during the wind up, throwing an effective punch would be difficult from there. Defending one would be impossible. Maybe if they hit a stationary object, otherwise the whole motion would be impractical. The only punch that resembles a pitching motion is a big, wild overhand right.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He was an amazing TE not a thrower
And the point is that we know that these pitchers have the genetic ability to generate insane rotational energy, not that they would punch exactly like they pitch. It’s actually there on display every day. When has LeBron ever done anything that made you say “holy cow, that is some rotational explosiveness!”?
Not afraid to nitpick
Throw.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Because that was the best position
to put a 6’5" 230 lb 16 year old basketball prodigy. Huge leap, gigantic hand, tons of speed and strength with a no future plans of playing football.
Everything he does on the court shows extreme explosiveness in all planes. Have you seen him jump, run or spin?
Punching power isn’t all core rotation either. Good punches cross many planes of motion.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
On sport science
they were explaining how Lebron size and power could tranfer to other sports. Super long arms, huge hands and incredibly powerful. He could be an UberTyson.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he’d be like tyson in the fact that once he got hit, he would be exposed and it would be all over for him. There’s a reason he’s playing b ball and not other sports.
Yeah
Money.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
yeah, say lebron (who is only 275/280) trained MMA. he has a 50 inch vertical. fuck sprawling against takedowns, he can just jump over the double leg
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Creepy
Just posted the same shit, kinda.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You clearly suggested that it's become common
And that is completely false.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Well let me clear that up
It is becoming much more common.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
These guys are phenomenal athletes and they are freakishly fast, but a 300 lb guy running a 4.8 is even amazing.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
And I follow the combine/draft very closely
But thanks.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
Then you agree?
The numbers don’t lie.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Mario Williams at 295 ran a 4.66 at the combine
Which is obviously electronically timed on turf not track
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by joker24 on Aug 14, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nitpicking again, I see. :)
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit
at 6’11" he is a standing vertical leap.
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He could stand under the rim, reach up and touch it.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is built like that?
I mean Brock has a lot of body fat.
Shane, OTOH, is 6’1", over 265 and hardly has anyfat.
/sarcasm
Better known as Black Lesnar
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither guy is really that lean anymore. I agree, Shane used to be pretty chiseled a few fights ago, much more so than Brock has been in his fights.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Shane looked much more “chisled” when he was 255ish in the cage…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock was caught with LEGAL growth hormone. Whether he did roids in the past is a moot point. Pro wrestling isn’t a competitive sport.
Thought it was amino acids and not any type of hormone?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t say for certain.Just what i have heard,that people have different levels naturally so therefore it is hard to say who is taking it and that’s why it’s legal.
I could be wrong though.Can anyone else confirm that?
You can tell who has unnatural levels of HGH
but only in the bloodstream.
It not illegal because people haven’t had time to prove its dangerous and campaign against it.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and who knows what levels are ‘normal’ for what body type yet?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
football players are commonly given a much higher lenience in testing for testosterone levels, because they carry so much muscle already.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I look like a walking positive juice test.
protruding brow, heavily muscled, really lean, big sex drive, bi ego, temper. Just really high natural testosterone levels.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s already getting one person a green card
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't see me very well in that pic.
That’s why I use it.
In my true form, the glory would be too much for the internetz.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Super Saiyan Farnsy?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
"It.... can't... be..."
KAKAROT!!!!!
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
nerdtastic
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
12 years ago
that show was my life.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yup. i still watch occasionally. the Cell saga was amazing.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey now...
A lot of those qualities are negative.
When I’m in top shape, I hear a lot of steroid comments from people who don’t work as hard or have the genetics. I don’t really care anymore, but it used to bother me.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There is huge variation.
Big Foot Silva has way way way more GH than Jens Pulver.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He has giantism
which is the direct result of way too much GH.
His facial appearance is called acromaelgia
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Its called 'human groth hormone'
Most chemical reactions in the body are caused by polypeptide chains, whuch are formed by aminos. Steroids are composed of fats, So in that regard, yes it is very different. Like steroids, HGH affects the way the body works on a genetic level.
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Bill Nye but
I meant in regards to the legality, he called it legal growth hormone.
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
See Above
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Bill Nye.
Mr. Wizard all day. What I mean by “legal” growth hormone is, aren’t there legal over the counter growth hormone and illegal growth hormone? Or is that based strictly on the amount of GH contained in the product?
Dont talk shit about Bill Nye!!!!!
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Bob Saget!
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s nothing you can buy over the counter or take orally that will boost GH levels in your blood. You have to inject the real(or synthetic) stuff
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by B.H. Farnsworth on Aug 14, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Nye is a legend with the coolest music intro ever.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
It was a hormone stimulator
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what Brock was caught with,
But hGH (“Growth”) is, like any other FDA-regulated drug that is not classified as a controlled substance, legal with a valid prescription only…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It was OTC
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
My initial reactio to reading this was
“hee hee”…………and I stand by those giggles.
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Exactly
It’s called deflect. Let’s talk about LESNARRRRRRRR
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder:
Can we get some comments Frank Mir and Brock Lesnar on this story?
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Frank's input:
“Do I think it was stupid to take steroids? Absolutely,I do. I have never taken steroids. Miguel Torres has never taken steroids. If you are taking steroids your mind is weak and you are not a martial artist. Is this professional wrestling? No, this is MMA. You dont need a overly ripped muscular body. Look at me, for example. Frank Mir wasn’t ripped to shreds when he won the UFC title. He had a mufin top.”
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 14, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
is this a real quote?
ok now i get why people are always making fun of his mancrush on miguel torres. It seems he mentions him out of nowhere
I am pretty indifferent about steroid use.
I figure most athelets are on roids or PEDs in one form or another. This is more just my opinion than anything, but it seems science has taken over most, if not all, professional sports. It’s all about that extra edge you can get over your opponent. Supplements, Roids, etc. I know there are differences, but at the end of the day, behind every great athelete, is an even better chemist.
i also am indifferent to steroid use
i’m also indifferent about knees and kicks to the head of a downed opponent
but they are both against the rules in america and in my eyes those rules should always be observed by the athletes.
i’m not really comparing the two on any basis besides them both being against the rules
i won’t ever talk shit about a fighter fighting in japan using steroids because truly i have no problems with steroids or steroid use in and of itself i only have a problem with it because it’s against the unified rules.
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 14, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem
is if you have no attempts to keep a lid on chemicals, the athletes will do anything to their bodies to be competitive, without regard to their post-athletic health. Thus in pro bodybuilding we have an epidemic of insulin dependent, cardiac candidates. On top of that, the top tier are laying out 50,000 a year plus for HGH, steroids, and myriad other “supplements” that are a financial barrier from those who don’t have the resources or sponsorships to pay for the “edge” that the elite have access to.
There are steroids in the sport, and other chemical helpers, but the commissions should be working toward more exacting standards, not less.
by Dootch on Aug 14, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is if you have no attempts to keep a lid on chemicals, the athletes will do anything to their bodies to be competitive, without regard to their post-athletic health.
But this is already a major problem as the athletes already do that, but with the added bonus of often not knowing what/how much they are really getting in their black market drugs.
On top of that, the top tier are laying out 50,000 a year plus for HGH, steroids, and myriad other "supplements" that are a financial barrier from those who don’t have the resources or sponsorships to pay for the "edge" that the elite have access to.
Again, this is already the case. However, if they were legally available for performance enhancement, the cost would be greatly decreased.
Having said all of this, I am arguing more in favor of them being available for all (under proper medical supervision), then various sports leagues could then regulate their in-sport use, as always
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not surprised one bit by this news. It has always been obvious. This also shows what a joke most of the athletic commissions are. Carwin and Genet are cheats!
by MMAfan4242 on Aug 14, 2010 3:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I gassed after 5 minutes
Reading this comment section.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Steroids has been known to cause twitter rage
This is all making sense now. Baby steps.
Being overrated is overrated.
you know the truth is when ken shamrock came out talking about how he thinks at least 50 percent of pro fighters use or have used steroids i thought to myself “well that’s a conservative estimate”
it’s not as notable in this sport as in others but the truth is pretty much every sport is littered with athletes using steroids.
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
Dennis Hallman basically said the same thing on Inside MMA a few months ago, but apparently he apologized for that statement in his post-fight interview last weekend.
But yah, I think he was and Ken both were right.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 14, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Steriods are especially worse for the athlets in Combat sports becauce it makes guys stronger and faster so they can inflict more damage on their oppenent.
This isn’t just about the guys who take it, but the guys who have to fight them.
Well, it's more like...
Athletes take steroids to make the muscle-building process much shorter, so they can spend more time on other kinds of training. Muscle put on while using steroids still obeys the basic rules of physics, so it’s not like you’ll have a 155lb guy punching like a heavyweight after going hard and heavy on the roid train. It’s possible to come off a training camp and have just as much muscle as a steroid user (depending on various factors of course), but at the expense of time spent training other things.
Yeah, steroid use is most often associated with the massive heavyweight types like Carwin, Overeem, and Barnett; but the reality is that these huge guys are the outliers, not the majority.
Or something, I don’t know. How’s it going, man?
The use of drugs in sports is so pervasive that most athletes must use drugs if they wish to remain competitive (Di Pasquale, 1992b). AAS use is an extremely secretive behavior to many, perhaps due to it being thought of as cheating by many sports federations and much of the public (Yesalis, Wright, & Bahrke, 1989). In order to make sports competitions fairer, most sporting federations have instituted drug testing programs (Di Pasquale, 1992b). Despite these efforts, drug use has not necessarily declined (Di Pasquale, 1992b; Landry & Primos, 1990). At present, all that has been achieved is a decrease in the use of some drugs by some athletes (Di Pasquale, 1992b). Athletes have learned to avoid detection by various methods and will continue to do so despite more sophisticated and comprehensive testing. Many athlete have simply altered what drugs they use and when they use them (Di Pasquale, 1992 a, b).
One of the most common methods of escaping detection when using anabolic steroids is simply discontinuing the use of oral AAS several days prior to a drug test. Oral AAS, such as Anavar, Winstrol (tablets), and Dianabol, are usually undetectable 3 to 4 days of after cessation. Injectable steroids usually have a much longer detection interval. Metabolites of nandrolone have been found in the urine of some athletes after 2 years it was reportedly last used. Stanozolol (Winstrol-V) has been detected in the urine of an athlete 4 months after cessation of its injection (Di Pasquale, 1992a). Oral AAS metabolites can be cleared from the body in only fourteen days after discontinuing use and are therefore more commonly used when drug testing is a concern (Council on Scientific Affairs, 1988). Incidentally, many oral AAS are more highly associated with liver abnormalities and adverse psychological changes (Council on Scientific Affairs, 1988; Bahrke, Yesalis, & Wright, 1990).
Athletes have used various methods before drug testing to either decrease the excretion of banned drugs or prevent the detection of these drugs in the urine. Compounds that have been used to decrease the excretion of unblock steroids and their metabolites include uricosuric agents (e.g., probenecid, carinamide, sulfinpyrazone, phenylbutazone, benzbromarone), corticosteroids, estrogens, oral contraceptives (containing norethindrone), Depo-Provera, phenytoin, pyrazinamide, dexamethasone, and apple cider vinegar. Compounds used to prevent the detection of banned drugs in the urine include various diuretics, Defend, and chemical contaminants such as sodium hypochlorite, and bacteria. Defend acts by both decreasing the excretion of the drug and by diluting the the urine (Di Pasquale, 1992a).
Case studies have been used to study drug detection techniques on athletes who self-administered anabolic-androgenic steroids (de Boer, De Jong, van Rossum, & Maes, 1991).
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by Johnathan Willis on Aug 14, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well if you think about it. Shane's physique
during his earlier days in the UFC, he was much more ripped than compared to today. Lack of training or steroids? Coincidence? Who knows.
And if you've seen his older fights....
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He fought at 255ish in his early UFC fights,
Whereas now he is said to be in the 285 pound range (entering the cage).
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 14, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
His earlier fights were SHW and he was like 290
until he took his year off.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Nelson has tweeted he wants some investigation
And I don’t blame him. Look how far he’s gone on a natural physique. He’s the one guy I would be shocked uses.
And Carwin did dismiss fighting him by saying “Roy who?”
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You just made me a Roy fan
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Just as shocked
as Mo Vaughn and David Ortiz using. Yeah.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Ortiz isn't fat with a huge belly
Plus look at his arms. Then look at Roy’s arms.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Being fat with a big belly doesn't mean you're not on roids.
That’s one of the dumbest things ever thought.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Just like doing coke doesnt make everyone skinny ok that might be bullshit
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 16, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s not turn “Shane Carwin tied to steroids” into “every fighter does steroids”, ok?
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 14, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
Exactly
People are deflectin
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
On the list provided earlier, Carwin's physician was Tucker/Branch dba Infinite Health
A lil Google finds this
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=85207
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
Sounds like Carwin is having an interesting week…
www.shane-carwin.com/profiles/blogs/boating-or-bar-brawling-with
Well bless his heart
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 14, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG
interesting no1 is as clean cut as it seems, pretty funny kurt angles names on there 2 and hardcore holly lawl
He was specifically mentioned by name in one set of documents,
and then mentioned by initials on the list of shipped pharmaceuticals. Since the only fighter on the first list is Shane Carwin, and the only fighter on the second lists is “S.C.” and we know that they’re supposed to be the same individuals, it’s safe to assume that those are his drugs.
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