UFC's Shane Carwin Tied to Steroid Case
by SteveFT79 on Aug 14, 2010 11:05 AM EDT
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PrintJ. Michael Bennett, who was supervising pharmacist at Applied Pharmacy Services, was the first to be sentenced from a group of 5 men found guilty after a five-week trial earlier this year. His punishment was less than half of the 7 years and 4 months sought by prosecutors.
They contended that Bennett played a key role in an enterprise involving rogue doctors and health clinics across the country who used the compounding pharmacy to supply healthy adults with dangerous steroids.
According to court records, Applied Pharmacy Services shipped 762,388 dosages to 17 doctors and clinics from April 4, 2004, until Aug. 30, 2006. The U.S. Attorney's Office in Mobile contends that does not include many other doctors and clinics that they say participated in the conspiracy.
In court today, Dobbins named seven whose orders included Bennett's signature or initials:
Shane Carwin, a former NCAA Division II wrestling champion who went on to become an Ultimate Fighting heavyweight champion.
Kurt Angle, a former Olympic gold medal-winning wrestler and professional wrestler.
Bob Howard, a pro wrestler from Mobile who performed under the name "Hardcore" Bob Holly.
Tony Freeman, a professional bodybuilder nicknamed "The X-Man."
Quincy Taylor, a professional bodybuilder.
Dennis Newman, a professional bodybuilder.
Troy Zuccolotto, a professional bodybuilder.
Court documents reference 6 other professional bodybuilders, 7 professional wrestlers and 2 professional baseball players by their initials only.
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HA. saw this coming.
it was only a matter of time. Shane is a bout to get CRUCIFIED on BE.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
Wow you finally found the cause........
OF LACTIC ACIDOSIS
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by Hell_Bent on Aug 14, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
everyone rec this!!
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
horrible for the sport but comedy gold nonetheless
by TylerTreese on Aug 14, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
oh geez...
…it’s hardly horrible for the sport.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
horrible for Shane
GOOD for the sport to expose this stuff.
"I ain't got time to breath."
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Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Aug 14, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Knew there was a reason I hated his face
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dammit, I just typed this up.
FUCK
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
I will not read any stories by S.C. Michaelson
Black Lesnar or bust!
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I was forced.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is it that once you turn into an admin on these sites, they change your handle to your real name?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
A) People cry “His name says Lesnar, he must be biased”
B) Who says it’s not a “nom de plume”.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough on the second point.
I guess the proper question is why they can’t use obvious aliases.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think some do
I mean the man’s name is not “Kid Nate”. For others like Snowden aka evilclown or Haber and whoever else, I think it’s cause they want to be “taken seriously”. Maybe parlay it into a job doing real writing? I dunno why subo changed his up. I can only say why I did mine and that was so people would stop whining about bias.
I wish someone would hunt me down. LOL.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I can hunt you down if you want...
;)
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Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Aug 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The smiley face really makes that come off creepy.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by Geno Mrosko on Aug 14, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Very
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
not as bad as a poster telling deo "i'll be thinking of you while watching it"
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Changed my name as well
from AniMal34 to my actual name. Once you are a front page writer for a site I just don’t think it’s cool to be using an alias anymore. AniMal is what my friends call me but I’d rather use my name on a front page post.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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I was wondering who the fuck you were
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, it's me and no one else.
I figured the sig and picture would let people know.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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Just for the record
I’ve always used my real name. I guess you could say i’m ahead of the curve… No big deal
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 15, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Hailing from San Fran? How is that hybrid?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, you know
I just decided that it was about time to do my part in saving the environment.
sniffs own fart
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 16, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn all of you
San Fran living, hybrid-driving, own fart sniffing smuggies…
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Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Aug 18, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
But
Is that pic really you…lol
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 17, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin will deny it and nothing will come of it. Same with almost every other athlete who has been involved in these things.
Hard to deny a receipt in your name addressed to your address
Barry was able to deny it because they didn’t have his name. I can’t think of any other athletes caught up in a steroid ring that “just denied it” and it went away. Only pro wrestlers and no one cares about them.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeap, at the very least he’s come out an say, Its ok he had a Prescription for it, much the same way Kurt Angle did., too bad this time around the Doc is tied to a serious murder case as well as A drug trafficking ring…
How do you Know where Im at? If you dont Know where Ive been...Understand where Im coming from??
A prescription for "animal" steroids?
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Shane Carwin is not a man, he's a woman, he's not really a woman he's a horse
by TylerTreese on Aug 14, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair,
“some” of the scrip was for animal juice. It is a pharmacy as opposed to a locker-room; I’d imagine they’d have access to the top-shelf stuff also.
Nonetheless, I’m disappointed that Carwin was dumb enough to have his own name on paperwork, which makes me think he was signed on before he started fighting in earnest.
Shane was a poor fighter back then
Probably couldn’t ALLEGEDLY afford the good stuff.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He was an engineer
He could probably afford the good stuff.
i have a friend who....
……is a chemistry major and a roid freak he orders some sort of animal steroids i think for cattle and puts it through a rather simple chemical process of which i know none of the details that makes it suitable for human use. i could be wrong about all this but i’m pretty sure i overheard him saying something along those lines
who is keizer soze
by Johnathan Willis on Aug 15, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s easy, ok? You just blend water and stevia. It’s cold fission mang. For real dude. Ok?
Fighting is actually the best thing a man can have in his soul.
Most of the animal steroids
Are either identical to their human counterparts or essentially analogs of same, although some are not available in the US for human use.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 17, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Squeaky clean Shane.
“Street fighting is wrong! Hulk smash! Why don’t my legs work?”
Koscheck eats it.
by Ozzz on Aug 14, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL at “Why don’t my legs work?”
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, I remember that case actually, If Im Not mistaken Lesnar was originally named as well but somehow had his name(amongst others) removed. Could be wrong on that but it all stems from Chris Benoit Killing himself an his family an his Doc being a dirty sac of shit. When it comes to Pro athletes NOTHING surpises me anymore :/
How do you Know where Im at? If you dont Know where Ive been...Understand where Im coming from??
Nope, no Lesnar FWIR
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprised at no coverage yet. Came out yesterday.
Someone said Lesnars name was attached to this case at 1 point. I’m 99% sure that isn’t true, I don’t remember that. This came out in court yesterday I’m surprised I haven’t seen any of the big MMA sites pick it up yet.
I'm curious about the Brock connection, too
I only ever remember Lesnar’s name coming up in a steroid scandal when he got arrested in 2001 for receiving a package that turned out to be legal growth hormone.
by mma_critic on Aug 14, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no Brock connection. Carwin’s four fans are fabricating information to make him look better.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 14, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
People are naive if they think most athletes haven’t used steroids at one point or another, whether it’s for sports or simply bodybuilding.
Also, there’s no date referenced of when the listed names actually were written prescriptions. Carwin very well could have been taking them before he started fighting and was focused more on weights and his look. He has not tested positive while fighting which is important.
But I know considering Carwin’s good guy clean cut image, this doesn’t bode well for him, especially on BE where the hate on him is ridiculous
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
" He has not tested positive while fighting which is important."
Drug tests are pretty easy to pass. Everyone knowledgeable about the subject have said that drug testing in sports is a joke currently.
by TylerTreese on Aug 14, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
O I agree the piss test is a joke in general, but you’re going down a slippery slope with that. I mean at that point you can just throw accusations around at everyone like GSP, Lesnar, Couture, Mir or any fighter for that matter. even though they’ve never tested positive on the piss test. All we have to go by is the results
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Yeah I agree completely
just wanted to vent about how shitty the drug testing currently is.
by TylerTreese on Aug 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to pick out a list of guys who have all been accused.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 14, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I never heard about Couture being accused. Any good articles about it ??
by TylerTreese on Aug 14, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Speculation about a comment that he made about “getting his blood right” and connections to steroid/HGH use as part of his training. I think it was on BE a while back.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Couture has admitted it
But its via legal prescription and his levels have apparently always fallen within the proscribed limits.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 15, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It was from Joe Rogan on ESPN News a day or 2 before UFC 74 talking about Randy’s use of Hormone Replacement Therapy. It created something of a small stink back then, with Randy talking about a “Steroid Witch Hunt” or words to that effect.
Perhaps as long as it was medically justified (by having low levels, was a legit rx AND one’s levels did not exceed the max allowed (probably 2x – 4x natural for testosterone)…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 17, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I don’t see what the big deal is with steroids. It’s not like you just stick a needle in your ass and gain 20 pounds of muscle. You still have to do all the work – it just lets you work harder.
And for the record, I hated Carwin before it was cool.
...like young thieves in a glowing orchard, loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing.
- C. McCarthy
the big deal is y'know you're cheating and doing something illegal
some people have a code of honor and it seems a lot of athletes don’t anymore.
by TylerTreese on Aug 14, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
they're cheating*
not trying to accuse you of juicing lol
by TylerTreese on Aug 14, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Check the linked article.
According to court records, Applied Pharmacy Services shipped 762,388 dosages to 17 doctors and clinics from April 4, 2004, until Aug. 30, 2006.
His first five fights fall into that time frame.
by mma_critic on Aug 14, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but he did not start fighting pro until October 2005 and there’s no specific date on when he got the prescription. He very well could have done it in the time frame before in 2004 or early 2005
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
You’re right. I was just pointing out the overlap in time between the steroid case and his fighting career. You’re absolutely correct that any prescriptions he may received were before his fighting career began.
by mma_critic on Aug 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me point out, I think steroids are stupid to use for any reason whether they are for sports or bodybuilding. I’ve always been drug free. But if people use them recreationally and not for a sporting event, who cares. I honestly don’t care if Carwin, Lesnar, or anyone used them before they started in MMA
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
That also just means that he could've allegedly went to another person
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
"But I know considering Carwin’s good guy clean cut image, this doesn’t bode well for him, especially on BE where the hate on him is ridiculous"
We don’t hate the guy. We don’t know him. We’re just not going to take his management trying to throw us under the bus to protect themselves lying down.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there is a strong dislike on both sides which is unfortunate since I’m afan of his and of your site. But I was more or less referencing the hate from the fan posters on this site.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I dislike the guy. I hate hypocrites
I don’t know him personally but what I do know and my personal interactions, he’s not a likable guy. I don’t “hate” the guy and I actually enjoy his fights. Once I found out the real deal behind Paygate, it solidified what I had already known to be true.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again, I'm not BE.:)
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I enjoy your fanposts and analysis which you do a great job with, I honestly cannot take anything Carwin related with you seriously (goes back to the UG).
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
LOL cus I asked him who would he like to fight after he loses?
Haha. And he did lose. And I think my Carwin break down was more than fan, if not highly accurate.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was pretty clear you had a dislike from Carwin from the get-go for whatever reason, but that’s just my opinion. It only intensified after he slammed your article (which for the most part was pretty good). But that’s my take. Nothing against you.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
It started about a year ago when Mr. Carwin decided to label himself the "White Knight" of MMA fighters
Sent down from Valhalla to show MMA fans that not all fighters are “like Brock Lesnar”. I abhor people who try to elevate themselves and buttress themselves with morality and “good” like preachers, politicians and some athletes.
Then he began to do the exact OPPOSITE of what he claimed. He began to talk shit about Lesnar, got himself a title fight out of it. Kept on talking. Makes him a hypocrite. Then Brock gets sick and he wishes him well. Then Carwin starts talking about Brock’s “miracle recovery” in quotes as if he doubts it. He continued to talk more shit about Lesnar again being a hypocrite. That’s when I asked what I asked at the UG.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why most everyone in this post seems thrilled with the prospect of being able to attack Carwin about something else, right? It’s all about his management.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Aug 14, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
nope
everyone else “attacks” carwin (including myself} because of his hollier than thou attitude, post lesnar whining/excuses, and his personal crusade against kid nate
Don't forget his bullshit regarding Huerta
He basically knocked Huerta for fighting a dude who punched a woman.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot about his tweet telling a fan his opinion was wrong because he didnt agree with shane’s opinion of BE.
once I read that my view of shane carwin the person (not the fighter) just went to the shitter.
Don't forget he blocked that guy for politely saying an opinion can't be wrong
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
Was NOT hating Kid Nate an option?
I thought, “having a healthy dislike for Kid Nate” was one of BE’s Terms of Service…?
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 14, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Rule 5
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we all hate him
but we dont take up twitter crusades against the man. that would only increase his web traffic1
please feel free
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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 14, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Um
I’m supposed to control what the readers think? You know they’re allowed to make their own judgments, right?
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously.
But to say there’s no hate for Carwin on BE when it’s apparent that he’s not viewed favorably here in the least by the readers and has been attacked at every turn by a few key posters seems a bit ignorant on your part.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Aug 14, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what I know
The facts of the case. Even after all Carwin said, I still don’t hate the guy. He’s in the dark or denial about what his management did. That others make their own judgment about how he acted in the fallout between this site and him is their’s and their’s alone to make. All I can do is speak for BE, not BE’s community.
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by Luke Thomas on Aug 14, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me speak for BE's community-
We hate Shane Carwin.
We hate Kid Nate.
We hate Jon Snowden.
We hate Gary Shaw.
We hate $kala.
We hate Jerry Millen.
We hate Subo.
Does that cover it guys?
by ufc4 on Aug 15, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What did Susan Boyle do to you?
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by Barack Lesnar on Aug 16, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
We don’t hate the guy. We don’t know him. We’re just not going to take his management trying to throw us under the bus to protect themselves lying down.
I believe you. I don’t think any of the BE staff hate Shane Carwin or have it in for him. But a lot of the BE community does. Just look at how giddy many of the commenters are about Carwin being linked to a steroid case.
I don’t hate Carwin because, as Luke said, I don’t know him personally. That being said, I don’t like him, and I’ve made that very clear since July of last year.
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Can everyone with a twitter ask him about this?
His responses will be HILARIOUS!
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Nah, he’ll just get butthurt and block you.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL if you're gonna do it, Link to a story
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not surprising
Shane was into the body building scene for a while, and when I saw him fight he was over 300 lbs at SHW and He was much more muscular and ripped than he is now. He used to train with Ron Waterman and I seriously doubt that guy is all natural.
I doubt if Shane is juiced now, considering the massive loss of weight, size and muscularity, but still…
And I agree with Noah’s Ark, why are any of us surprised in the least when this news comes out?
Waterman has been linked to juice
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
“I doubt if Shane is juiced now, considering the massive loss of weight, size and muscularity, but still…”
This is not evidence of one juicing/not juicing.
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It absolutely is. It may not be conclusive or definitive, but it certainly an aspect of going off the juice.
No it isn't
Juice =/= size
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 16, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That is ridiculous. No steroids don’t always equate to size and I never said it did. you guys need to re-read my statement. What I’m saying is, that due to his extreme loss of size/muscle, it is MY BELIEF that he may not be currently using. OR he may be? To say that that a loss in size and muscularity can not be attributed to being off the juice is absolutely not true. In may cases it may be exactly the truth.
Well,
yes and no. In Sharwin’s case, like BJJ D said, he was well over 300 lbs of solid muscle, and now he’s like 280ish. When you lose 20 lbs of solid muscle, it’s indicative of some kind of drastic change. Considering that he’s pissed clean for the last few years, and that he’s being implicated in the 2006 time frame, it’s fairly obvious to me that he used AAS’s to put on a bunch of muscle in the past, and now that he’s being tested, he’s not on it any more.
Of course he’s a genetic monster, works his ass off, and eats right, but you just can’t be a conditioned athlete and put on that much muscle without help.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 16, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
So how do we explain...
Shane weighing either 252 or 255 (I don’t recall which0 for the Wellisch fight in early/mid 2008? There is no possible reason to do a normal extreme dehydrate/rehydrate (aka weight cut) to end up 10 – 13 pounds under the limit…
Perhaps he was on them circa 2006, got off for a time, then got on some variety of anabolic substance since then? For a person already strength training, it is possible to add 1/4 – 1/3 pound of lean muscle mass per week without adding a banned substance, so…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 17, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, Greg Valentine. Dude is so wrong on so many levels. Interesting to hear him speak frankly about his life, however.
I thought so
i saw that documentary it was a good watch
by TylerTreese on Aug 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he just lifted weights!
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If you start lifting heavy and eating like 10k calories a day, you would be surprised what you look like in a 2 or 3 years. Bonds may have done steroids, but I have seen photos of similar changes from legit methods.
by Dropkick434 on Aug 14, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As have I
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But
not his post-age 32 performance statistics arc, which are unprecedented in MLB history. It’s circumstantial, but it’s there. Compare them to the greatest of the great, the Willie Mays, the Ty Cobbs, the Ted Williams. Either he’s a genetic Superman, or…
Juiced up ball, lack of good pitchers, expansion of teams diluting pitching
great ballpark built for him to hit homeruns, his stance crowding the plate
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying, there's a lot of evidence to support why he increased home runs
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But only Bonds
had the anomaly? I’m not talking “good” seasons, I’m talking off-the-hook, unmatchable stats that are off the curve from age 36 to 40, that belie “good genes”. Everybody in MLB benefited from those variances, but Bonds had insane post-physical peak years.
Alex had stunning years in that time too. Oh yeah, he was also in the report. But at least he was in the physical prime of his career. Watch how his stats go from middle-thirties to 40. Just like Jeter, Griffey, Mays, et al. After age 35, batters decline statistically, NOBODY gets better for the next four years..
Bonds used a butt load of 'Roids...
case closed.
Plus he’s a dickhead…
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Hank Aaron had his highest slugging percentage by far (.669) at age 37. He had a 1.045 OPS at age 40. Dude must have been roiding, amirite?
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It’s baby fat.
...like young thieves in a glowing orchard, loosely jacketed against the cold and ten thousand worlds for the choosing.
- C. McCarthy
LOL the one on the left is his early years.
I just liek to think that he found a cure to AIDS and kept it to himself.
I wasted $1500 on flax oil,
I am still gray, old, tired, slow AND fat.
A new tweet!
hey @shanecarwin I know you’re awake! Lemme get some of those steroids! I wanna be a hypocrite just like you!
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UNDENIABLE PROOF THAT CARWIN USED STEROIDS...
From his Craigslist postings:
by BJJDenver on Aug 14, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Yes. Zubaz pants are the roider's fashion.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he wore a fannypack.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly
I had a close body builder friend who passed away from drug abuse adn I had the chance to hang around some guys like Lee Priest, Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, etc…
They definitely live up to the hype surrounding their attire.
That cow can barely make it across the pasture...
without tapping due to Lactic Acidosis.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Maybe it's not the same Shane Carwin....
Might just be some hispanic dude with the same name.
GSP is an alien sent here to humiliate our men and mate with our women
by MMA_Messiah on Aug 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Some Puerto Rican guy?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
must have been the same "some puerto rican guy" who killed butters!
that bastard
by espino on Aug 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo!
GSP is an alien sent here to humiliate our men and mate with our women
by MMA_Messiah on Aug 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
f it, thats a green
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 15, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He should use those
unsold copies to build himself a shelter.
Can the title of the article be "Shane Carwin won't help abused women, will take steroids"
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It's still "alleged", don't want to get sued
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Fiiiiiiiine "Shane Carwin hates women, allegedly takes steroids"
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
What will happen when Dana and the gang start getting subpoenaed to appear before congress? It’s great that we all joke and bust these guys chops, but look what the effect on MLB has been.
Steroids effect on baseball is far from all negative. Baseball was pretty much dying before Sosa, Mcquire and Bonds started breaking homerun records. Now that steroids is in the spotlight it may have turned some fans away. But I bet steroids benefitted baseball more than it ended up hurting it.
by Dropkick434 on Aug 14, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Never happen
Unlike other pro sports where the leagues are responsible for drug testing, in MMA that responsibility, in the U.S. anyway, falls solely on the ACs.
"If the commission would sanction it and Dana would move, I’d fighter Anderson right now."
- Chael Sonnen at the post fight press conference following his loss to Anderson Silva.
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less likely than baseball.
Baseball freaks about congress because they don’t want the government involved. If they called Dana, he’ll just say, “we do what the government says, if they want to do more, go ahead.”
I can’t tell what Dana really thinks about steroids, and how things would change if there was more stringent testing, but he has the built in excuse.
The effect on MLB? You mean the unprecedented growth of the game this last decade?
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Well...
I was raised that winners never cheat and cheaters never win.
COINCIDENCE?!
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 14, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hahaha
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It worked itself out...
When he gave himself cancer.
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by Applejack McNeil on Aug 14, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
except Lesnar PROBABLY took PEDs at some point.
This really just lends to the creedence that most athletes at the highest levels have probably cheated in some way.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This is probably true
I also believe Jennifer Aniston slept her way into Hollywood. Can’t do anything but speculate until there’s facts.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Rec’d for the Aniston comment!
I think it would have been very interesting to see how guys like Brock, Goldberg, and few others bodies changed after Eddie Guererro’s death had they stayed in WWE.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
For Lesnar, he was huge as hell in 2000 when he signed
People like to compare pictures but Brock in the WWE was building show muscles and not functional muscles. He was also getting rid of all the fat in his body to look more cut. And he stayed tanned to show off his definition. If Brock tanned now, he’d look even more ripped.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This
People don’t realize that the way these guys build their bodies as mixed martial artists is completely different from the way they lift and their diet when they’re defining muscles for show. I think it’s silly to say “well, he was taking a bunch of steroids back then— look at him”.
"I'm gonna go after number one, whoever it is. If it's Anderson, or I gotta go up after the guys at 205, or go on a diet and go after Jose Aldo-- it doesn't matter." -Chael Sonnen
by Charles Awad on Aug 14, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was probably taking steroids
because most of these freaking guys get caught taking steriods. Even the littlest of guys get popped in the pro-wrestling business. Considering the constant stress being put on their bodies due to their never ending schedules, taking “bumps” day in and day out wearing down their bodies even more, and not really having adequate time throughout the week to work out it only makes sense for most of these guys to be doing it. Really at least as far as professional wrestlers go I wouldn’t blame them for it, it’s not like they’re gaining an unfair advantage in a predetermined match.
"I like hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad" -wad of meat
Olympic Drug testing
I really wish they would incorporate in into MMA. It would clear up many of the questions and issues
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
In order for that to happen you’d have to get people to admit that the current system is flawed and thus should be corrected, and getting people in these Commissions to publicly admit mistake is highly unlikely.
"I like hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad" -wad of meat
by Fake Emcee on Aug 14, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As usual, the UG turns this into a "Brock Lesnar" did steroids thread.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
who cares, he probably did.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think you're just more excited that your mortal enemy is caught
in a WEB OF LIES!!!!1
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Aug 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, he's far from my most disliked MMA fighter
He hasn’t lied or been convicted of anything. This is nothing more than a presentation of information.
Everything is ALLEGED.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 14, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
GUILTY! THAT MAN IS GUILTY!
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 14, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Just curious....
So, who is your most disliked MMA fighter? Choose wisely.
Fighting is actually the best thing a man can have in his soul.
Damn, it was Wand, but he grew on me
It was Leben, but he’s turned that around.
Oh I remember, It’s Rich Clementi.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 15, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What what what?!
Wand was your most disliked fighter? How is that even possible? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
Leben was on my shit list too but now I kinda like him.
I’m neutral on Clementi.
Although I feel they are all talented, my most disliked fighters are: Kos, Barnett, Bisping, Shields… I am sure there are more, that’s just off the top of my head.
Fighting is actually the best thing a man can have in his soul.
Wand was a bit of a dick in PRIDE
He was a bully (the Rampage shoving, being a part of jumping KrazyHorse, roid raging against Coleman). His fans annoyed the fuck out of me. This was before him coming to the UFC. Then I started to like the guy more. The old feelings almost came back when he shoved Rampage at the weighins, but quickly went away.
/sarcasm
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by S.C. Michaelson on Aug 15, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
how about all the times he grabbed the ropes and stomp people. That's not very nice either.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Aug 16, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Or very legal...
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Aug 17, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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"I ain't got time to breath."
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Pain don't hurt...
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"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Aug 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Carwin dun goofed up! (allegedly)
Now, I like Shane as much as the next guy (which is to say, not at all) but this is gonna be good for the big softy. He’s too sensitive and fragile right now. I hope, in all this (what he is about to go through with MMA fans), that he can develop some thicker skin and really embrace his true fan-loathing self. If he can’t take the heat and just up and quits… I would be ok with that too. There are about 30 seconds combined of his life that have been of interest to me…. his knockouts and getting subbed by Brock. Hmm, I feel like I am missing something…. oh… and…. (insert hilarious lactic acidosis joke here).
Fighting is actually the best thing a man can have in his soul.
so now is he finally off his high horse?
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
That would be a sad day, he spent so much timing training it
"I like hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad" -wad of meat
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by IKilled007 on Aug 15, 2010 7:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wait wait wait....that's dog is a chick?
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
what a bitch
we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let your nets down into that sea
by Barack Lesnar on Aug 16, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I could take her...
and by “take her” I don’t mean hump her…….I don’t support Beastiality…..honest…I swear….
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
you brazilians :(
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 16, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm American
"I ain't got time to breath."
Watch Tosh.O
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Aug 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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