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Bellator Is a Gilded Cage and a Waste of Time for Hector Lombard

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Before last night's utterly pointless Hector Lombard vs "Whisper" Goodman fight at Bellator 24, Matt Bishop wrote:

...when he fights Herbert Goodman on Thursday at Bellator 24, he'll walk into the cage as a one of the biggest betting favorites of the year. As of press time, Lombard is a -1500 favorite while Goodman is a +750 underdog.

Now, there's nothing wrong with a gimme fight now and again, but during his four (going on five) fight tenure in Bellator, Lombard's only been out of the first round once (against Jared Hess) and beat his last opponent, late replacement Jay Silva, in six seconds.

Lombard, the promotion's middleweight champion, is too good of a fighter to be fighting some of the competition he's been fighting lately.

Of course, Lombard was supposed to make his UFC debut at UFC 78 back in November 2007, but that was squashed when he couldn't get a visa. That's the level of competition Lombard needs, the UFC level.

After watching Lombard get away with sloppily wading in behind head-hunting hooks I have to conclude that not only is he not being challenged by Bellator, his progress as a fighter is actually being retarded. Lombard is 32 years old. He's coming to the end of his peak years of athleticism. This is the time for Lombard to be facing top-flight competition, testing himself and going for a championship in a major promotion.

Alas, Bellator may pay its champions well, but it just can't provide them with challenges worthy of their skills, particularly at middleweight, an oddly thin division through out the MMA world. 

Lombard knows there is no one on the Bellator roster for him, that's why he's called out Josh Barnett after the fight. 

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Admittedly, he will likely be facing season 2 tournament winner Alexander Shlemenko on October 28. Shlemenko showed a great deal of grit, if not much polish en route to his tourny win and if Lombard decides to head hunt against the Russian like he has against his recent opponents, he could have a bit of trouble. But not really.

The next logical step for Lombard would be to enter Strikeforce's middleweight talent pool (we'll assume that is actually going to happen for the purposes of this piece) and test himself against the likes of Mayhem Miller, Jacare Souza, Matt Lindland, Tim Kennedy, etc.

He could also skip Strikeforce and plunge right into the deep waters of the UFC. He could easily cut to 170lbs and in 3 or 4 fights find himself challenging Georges St Pierre. The UFC is desperate for new faces to test GSP, the "knock out artist" Lombard should have no trouble piquing fan interest and with his judo pedigree presents a more credible challenge than most. 

Lombard could also make waves in the UFC's thin 185lb class. 

But unfortunately he's locked in to his Bellator contract by their onerous championship clause which says that despite his only having one fight left on his contract, they can essentially force him to "re-up" indefinitely as long as he holds the belt. 

This is promotional malpractice and a failure to recognize their place on the MMA food chain. Bellator has proven themselves to be an excellent place for fighters to make a name for themselves, but that's it. Once a fighter like Lombard has shown that he's a potential force in MMA, it's time for Bellator to do the right thing and let him go upward and onward to bigger and better things. 

Alas, Bellator's litigious streak shows that they don't know their place in the pack. Too bad for them and all the fighters on their roster.

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makes me so sad. sad panda.

by Rocejize on Aug 13, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Did one panda touch another?

Lombard is legit. I was thinking this same thing when I was watching this. Get him into the big leagues.

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by Pha Q on Aug 13, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

its his own fault

why would he (or anyone for that matter) sign that contract with bellator? does he even have an agent?

We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!

by milk72 on Aug 13, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind seeing him compete in either Strikeforce or the UFC. Strikeforce has some pretty decent option. Including the DREAM roster there are also guys like Manhoef, Lawler, Cung Le etc. Him mixing it up in the UFC would work as well. Either way, a step up in competition is necessary.

by RyanHobbs on Aug 13, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Strikeforce wouldnt be much of a step up in competetion.

  I believe Hector needs to go into the UFC and really see what he is made of. it seems a waste of time for a fighter with the pedigree of Lombard to waste his prime years in Strikeforce and Bellator.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Aug 13, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

SF’s MW division is just fine. lots of great fights for him there.

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by ekc on Aug 13, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 13, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scathing retort, as always.

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by James Brady on Aug 13, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lombard vs jacare, and lombard vs mayhem interest me

its not better than what he could have in the ufc but its lombards own damn fault for signing the bellator contract with their infamous championship clauses (anyone with a law backround know if anything about that is legal?)

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by milk72 on Aug 13, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeforce has a couple of good fights for Hector

 After a Lombard vs Jacare and Lombard vs a striker like Robbie Lawler. What else really jumps out? I say nothing, sorry ekc, Im not sold that Strikeforce is a great place for Hector. I dont see why he wouldn’t want a jump in exposure(UFC), competetion(UFC), money(potentially UFC) and a genuine challenge.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Aug 14, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does the talk of Alvarez vs Melendez get replaced by Lombard vs Strikeforce MW champ soon?

Book those fights for the same night and you have the makings of a very interesting card.

by truck on Aug 13, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Bellator seems a lot more interested in those co-promotional matchups than Strikeforce.

I have said it many times. Co-promotion will always fail because of the self-interest of promoters. Strikeforce has no problem co-promoting with foreign promoters who have no presence in the North American market, but they want no part of co-promotion with a true competitor. Much like the UFC does not want to help build the brand of the #2 promoter in North America, Strikeforce has no interest in building the brand of the #3 promoter.

A Strikeforce-Bellator co-promotion is never going to happen. Lombard is stuck in his gilded cage until such time as he chooses to challenge their champion’s clause in the courts.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I still wanna see it though!

by truck on Aug 13, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

SF co promoted with EliteXC and M-1

by KOQ24 on Aug 13, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

  • and K-1 of course

by KOQ24 on Aug 13, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

M-1 & K-1 have no promotional presence whatsoever in North America.

The EliteXC co-promotion was the result of a lawsuit over the rights to Frank Shamrock. Also, Strikeforce had no TV deal at the time while EliteXC had Showtime. At that point, Strikeforce had a ton to gain and nothing to lose by co-promoting with EliteXC. It was a completely different dynamic than today.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep Strikeforce and EliteXC only co-promoted on that card due to the Frank Shamrock lawsuit. For all the talk about co-promotion that goes around I can’t remember any other times when two major US promotions did actually work together.

by who me on Aug 13, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding!

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by ekc on Aug 13, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, that is weeeeeak.

He can’t become a star fighting for Bellator

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Aug 13, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

the funny thing bout this

I thought the name was pretty ironic, and didn’t realize there would be other Lesnars as well.

:-/ Will probably have to change names again. smh.

"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."

by Broke Lesnar on Aug 18, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could easily cut to 170? Can he? I really don’t know what he walks around at, but he looked huge last night. I could have easily been convinced he could be at 205, but that my be because Whisper Goodman is much smaller and doesn’t cut nearly as much.

Also, could one of our legal experts answer a question… If the UFC suit against Pavia/Bellator is successful, could that void the Bellator contracts? Since the allegation seems to be that the UFC contracts were trade secrets and that Bellator stole and utilized those contracts in their own contracts, it’s easy for a non-lawyer like me to think the contracts could be voided. Can’t profit off of stolen property, right?

by mma_critic on Aug 13, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Same height as Thiago Alves. My guess is that it wouldn’t be so easy

by nastyem on Aug 13, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same height as Thiago Alves. My guess is that it wouldn’t be so easy

I agree it wouldn’t be easy, but there aren’t too many successful 5’8" middleweights. He would be at an enormous height/reach disadvantage in almost every fight.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can think of one:

Keep Firing, Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 13, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Paul Harris is the reason I said ‘not many’ rather than ‘none’. That said, his fighting style is more conducive to being short. He’s a pure grappler and makes no bones about it. Being short also keeps him close to his favorite submission target.

Shango is more of a Dan Henderson type. He has the awesome grappling credentials and will use it if you give him the opportunity, but he is also perfectly happy standing and Wanging. At 5’8", that kind of strategy would get him in trouble.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was agreeing with you. Should have made it more clear.

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by Ubernoober on Aug 13, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leben’s reach are also 70.5 inches and he’s had a preposterous amount of success, given his apparent lack of speed, technique and cardio.

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by The Darkness on Aug 13, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

*is

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by The Darkness on Aug 13, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, could one of our legal experts answer a question… If the UFC suit against Pavia/Bellator is successful, could that void the Bellator contracts?

I’m not a legal expert, but I think I can safely field this one.

The Pavia document dump happened quiet recently, much more recent than Lombard’s contract. Even if Bellator did use those documents (which they deny), they got them too late for them to be incorporated in the Lombard contract.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the UFC suit against Pavia/Bellator is successful, could that void the Bellator contracts? Since the allegation seems to be that the UFC contracts were trade secrets and that Bellator stole and utilized those contracts in their own contracts, it’s easy for a non-lawyer like me to think the contracts could be voided. Can’t profit off of stolen property, right?

Although anything can happen, it’s highly unlikely that their contracts will be deemed “trade secrets.” A legal contract isn’t at all similar to the formula of Coca Cola, for instance. The sorts of clauses the UFC is sticking in its contracts (such as a Champion’s clause) is not a closely guarded secret. People who work in MMA have for some time known about it and as of now everyone knows about it, or at least could readily ascertain its content. As a result it’s unlikely to be deemed a “trade secret.”

While no one knows for sure and I haven’t read the complaint, my guess is that the worst case scenario is that Bellator has to pay damages, return any “stolen” materials and agree not to do this sort of thing again. Tearing up the contracts could potentially disadvantage some fighters and potentially cripple Bellator. The remedy doesn’t seem proportionate to the crime and courts generally have a lot of discretion in determining remedies.

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by The Darkness on Aug 13, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention that Lombard’s contract pre-dates ‘Paviagate’.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does it?

Even though Paviagate just got exposed, we don’t know how far back the allegations date. Or, at least, I don’t remember seeing it yet. It seems possible that Pavia (allegedly) gave the contracts when Bellator first started, and all of their contracts have been based on the Zuffa contracts.

by mma_critic on Aug 13, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

he signed to fight at 170

in the UFC in 2008 but Visa issues (since resolved) kept him out. He could do it again.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 13, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes more sense

now that others have pointed out that he’s only 5’9. He looked about the same height as Goodman, who is 6’1, to me but was completely jacked with muscle.

by mma_critic on Aug 13, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good as Lombard is

Unless Barnett has fallen off a cliff performance wise, he is too much bigger and stronger I’m afraid. He would likely out-weigh him by 20-25%.

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The champions clauses need to be made like the franchise tag in the nfl. It should include an increase in salary each time its done, so that there is actually a decision to be made about using it, and it isn’t just the promoter keeping the fighter by the balls forever.

by Phildo on Aug 13, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

If the champion’s clause is really written as an infinite extension, it is highly illegal. I have never seen the Bellator clause, so I can’t say for sure, but I am fairly certain that the common assertion that those clauses extended indefinitely is false. They would be thrown out in the courts almost immediately if they were written that way.

No promoter is going to write a clause that is so easily defeated in a court of law. Because the first guy who challenges it is basically going to make all of their champions immediate free agents.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

is how I see it too. Hopefully Bellator has minded their p’s and q’s and won’t screw themselves over. While I agree that Lombard is a big fish in a small pond (as well as Alvarez), but overall Bellator is great for the sport – and if they operate like they should (a prospect finder) then they should do just fine.

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by grizzlyatoms on Aug 13, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably right

A CC is sort of like a non-compete and if it’s not reasonable in time (and possibly geographic area) it’s not going to be enforced. If push comes to shove and such a clause was challenged, it could be thrown out, or equitably reduced to a more reasonable period — like one or two years, which could nevertheless be damaging. Depending on the state however, the result can differ. I wonder which state’s law governs these contracts. For the UFC I’d guess NY.

Does anyone know of past cases involve these clauses?

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by The Darkness on Aug 13, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve only heard this as an anecdote, and have zero personal knowledge of it, but at least the UFC’s version is purported to have a 1 year time limit, barring an extension.

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But they have to challenge it and win first....

why is why the proverbial “little guy” gets screwed so often. They have to challenge the contract and front the legal fees until the final resolution of the case, which can take years.

It also won’t – I think – make most champions immediate free agents. It should only make the guys who are kept in the promotion by the clause free agents, right? The standard Zuffa tactic is to negotiate a new contract when there’s one fight left on the old contract, so they never actually get to the point where they use the champion’s clause… so no fighter has been affected by it yet.

by mma_critic on Aug 13, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt someone has to challenge it first.

However, I still doubt they would a write a clause that the courts would view as preposterous. There would have to at least write it so that they have a fighting chance if challenged. An indefinite extension would have no chance whatsoever of holding up in court.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's actually an outstanding solution

I haven’t thought of it before, but that does make it a whole different, and much more equitable animal, while still leaving the ball in the promoter’s court.

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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 13, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

By the way, Steve4192 and The Darkness

Thanks for bringing some knowledge to the comments!

by mma_critic on Aug 13, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Bellator Champion's Clause

Could Bellator’s champions clause be attacked on the grounds that once you become champion, they only give you “super fights” where your championship isn’t on the line so you cannot lose it and thus cannot escape?

by carpediem on Aug 13, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m sure that would be used an argument.

However, mma_critic is right that none of this legal wrangling matters until a fighter actually decides to challenge the clause in court.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Conflict of interest

Hector is managed by Patrick English who is the lawyer for Bellator and wrote their contracts. So ironically he is stuck in Bellator because of a champions clause his own manager wrote and had him sign. The other big conflict of interest is Ken Pavia who is both and an agent and matchmaker for Bellator. These conflicts of interest need to end.

by MMAfan4242 on Aug 13, 2010 9:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

that is really shitty

I didn’t know that.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 13, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure about your info?

I believe the English-Lombard part, but to the best of my knowledge Pavia is NOT their matchmaker.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think he's right

i could not verify that anywhere online (about Pavia)

by BeeTrain on Aug 13, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was their contract consultant.

I thought that Sam “the penultimate definition of conflict-of-interest” Caplan was their matchmaker.

by Jahbulon on Aug 13, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's Caplan's conflict of interest?

I lost track of him a long time ago. I remember him passing on editorial duties at Five Ounces (though he may still own the site) and going to work at WAMMA. The only thing I heard after that was him being Bellator’s matchmaker.

by mma_critic on Aug 13, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I though Sam Caplan was the matchmaker.

Pavia probably helps set up a lot of matches since a lot of his fighters are in Bellator, but I suspect it’s all in an unofficial capacity.

by mma_critic on Aug 13, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

i miss the chance to bring this up during the whole pavia contract blowup, but i swear i remember bjorn saying either during one of those post-fight interview segments, or even on luke’s radio show, that the matchmaking duties are split between caplan and pavia. wish i could remember when that was.

by woooburn on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

 Pavia works with Caplan on matchmaking. This is how Pavia gets so many of his fighters into Bellator. This also enables him to sign new fighters. He can tell fighters he can get them into Bellator so fighters sign with him.

by MMAfan4242 on Aug 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

^^This^^

I know Pavia himself has approched local fighters disscusing who they will fight once signing with Bellator.

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by Erich Vowell on Aug 13, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question about fighters?

Can Bellator sell the contract of Lombard to Strikeforce or the UFC like pro soccer teams sell players? Does anyone know if this can happen?

by 110 South on Aug 13, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

1. It depends on whether it is written into the contract.

2. Even if they could, that presumes the UFC has any interest in buying contracts. I highly doubt that Zuffa is interested in filling Bellator’s coffers in order to acquire the services of a complete non-draw like Hector Lombard. He’s a great fighter, but Zuffa doesn’t NEED him. Fedor is probably the only guy out there who is high profile enough that Zuffa would consider buying out his contract from a previous employer.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Lombard actually want to leave Bellator though?? I mean, making as much money as he is whilst fighting the calibre of opponent that he is sounds like a pretty good deal to me!

by GeeDub on Aug 13, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

great stuff Nate

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by DamnSevern on Aug 13, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

This is promotional malpractice and a failure to recognize their place on the MMA food chain. Bellator has proven themselves to be an excellent place for fighters to make a name for themselves, but that’s it. Once a fighter like Lombard has shown that he’s a potential force in MMA, it’s time for Bellator to do the right thing and let him go upward and onward to bigger and better things.

Alas, Bellator’s litigious streak shows that they don’t know their place in the pack. Too bad for them and all the fighters on their roster.

Now THAT’s retarded
So, Bellator should just say “well, we are the #4 Promotion so we should get rid of our best fighters”.
Really, i mean really?
No one will ever make money with that mentality.

by KOQ24 on Aug 13, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I agree. In terms of maximizing its self-interest, Bellator needs to do what it can to survive. Whether that’s best for MMA as a whole is anyone’s guess. But it would be silly for a promotion to sacrifice a star for the greater good of MMA. That would amount to “corporate waste” and if I had a big enough slug of Bellator stock, I’d sue the Board and Bjorn for breach of their fidcuciary duties if they actually cut Lombard loose for such a reason.

That said, I would much rather see Lombard in the UFC or Strikeforce (whose MW division is pretty stacked, at least as much as a MW division can be stacked in MMA). I also worry about Askren’s future once he beats Good:) I think Good (who’s a young promising fighter like Askren) has fought just once since winning the tournament last year. That’s a shame and waste of talent.

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by The Darkness on Aug 13, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

the 100s of minor league professional sport teams in the US and Canada disagree.

by Phildo on Aug 13, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

/\ this

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 13, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not entirely analogous

because the UFC doesnt own Bellator. When the Braves called up Mike Minor from Double A last week there were no obstacles because the Rome team is part of the Atlanta Braves organization.

I think a more apt analogy is the USFL and the NFL (kept my boy Herschel out of the NFL during his prime years), but that isnt completely analogous either because the USFL was making a play at the top pros of the era.

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by Anthony Pace on Aug 13, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

What obstacles were there for the Newark Bears to let Armando benitiez go try and get into the big leagues with the Florida Marlins this season? And then take him back when it didn’t work?

lets leave sports. Is Tony of Tony’s Pizza a terrible businessman because he’s not as big as domino’s?

in the world of sports and business there is a place and a need for the middle and the little guys. These are the giant holes in the mma space right now. You aren’t going to make as much money as zuffa if you are a minor league promotion, but you can make some money and help the sport, which is more than some of the people who tried to tackle zuffa can say.

by Phildo on Aug 13, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a lifelong mets fan, I would like to say

Fuck Armando Benitez.

That is all

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by The Lethal Haze on Aug 15, 2010 1:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ASPERSIONS

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by mmasavvy on Aug 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm a (junior) lawyer

I would think that a champion’s clause that prevents you from ever leaving would be absuive and struck down in court. In general, you can’t make a contract for services that could potentially last forever. Or at least, I didn’t think so.

You never know, Nate, he may not want out of this deal. I bet you some fighters are pretty happy being the big fish in the small pond. It is probably pretty scary to think that although you’re the Bellator champion, a UFC gatekeeper-type like Alan Belcher or Michael Bisping might absolutely dominate you.

Although it’s easy for keyboard warriors to say he should fight the best, I wouldn’t judge too harshly if he didn’t want to.

by Clifford J on Aug 13, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

but

hasn’t he been quoted as having said that he wants to fight Hendo over in SF?

by BeeTrain on Aug 13, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

time for Bellator to do the right thing and let him go upward and onward to bigger and better things

Umm, let me think….terrible for business?

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by ludakrish on Aug 13, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

time for Bellator to do the right thing and let him go upward and onward to bigger and better things

Umm let me think…terrible for business to let your biggest star go?

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by ludakrish on Aug 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Bellator

is a Delaware corporation. As such it’s non-compete agreement would most likely be decided under Delaware law. Delaware is a very, very business friendly.

Generally a non-compete clause is good for a maximum of two years, as long as it is limited in geographic scope. However, it would be interesting to see what the Court would do given Bellator’s sure to be made claim that it’s geographic scope extends through 75% of the world given it’s television deals.

The real stumbling block for their Champs is the claim of tortious interference with a business contract/relationship. This claim would allow Bellator to sue any organization that tried to pick up their Champs. While the UFC has the cash to fight this claim and settle if need be, it is hard to justify putting forward an additional X number of dollars for a fighter who may turn out to be a complete bust in the UFC.

by Ironbuddha on Aug 13, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Not to mention it would be bad for Zuffa.

If they lose, a bunch of money is gone. If they win, they just created legal precedent for everyone else to do the same thing to them. That’s one reason I never expect to see Zuffa challenge some other promotion’s champion clause.

by mma_critic on Aug 13, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As such it’s non-compete agreement would most likely be decided under Delaware law. Delaware is a very, very business friendly.

Actually state of incorporation doesn’t determine which law governs a contract; contracting parties decide this and their decision will generally be upheld. Companies frequently decide to incorporate in DE because it has a very well-developed body of corporate law (which regards matters like what the duty of loyalty comprises, when you need a shareholder vote, etc.), which reduces the risk of the unknown. DE is also very efficient in terms of turn around time for things like good standing certificates, etc., which is relevant if you need to quickly close a capital raise. Delaware is actually very “management” friendly, in that a board can insulate management by installing takeover prevention devices that make it more or less impossible to do a hostile deal. Most sophisticated US parties pick NY law for contracts because, like DE law for corporations, it’s fairly well-developed relative to other jurisdictions.

Generally a non-compete clause is good for a maximum of two years

.

It really depends on the circumstances surrounding the non-compete. I would imagine though that in the employment law context, which is probably the closest analog, that this is probably a good rule of thumb. It’s not clear that the geographic scope of the clause would need to be limited given that Bellator could probably make a good argument that it loses if Lombard, for instance, fights anywhere in the world for another organization, without Bellator’s blessing, but who knows? Unless you know of a case involving a similar set of facts, it’s going to be very uncertain what the outcome would be if Lombard challenged the clause. As an alternative, the UFC might try itself lodging a complaint with antitrust authorities arguing that the clause is anticompetitive, to see whether they might invalidate it. That assumes they want Lombard badly enough to spend the money to do this. They probably don’t. Also there’s a risk that they have the same clause in their contracts and that therefore they’d thrown into doubt if antitrust authorities agreed.

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by The Darkness on Aug 13, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did my usual morning routine

and right before i got to the “check BE” step, i was actually hopinh to red an article about how Lombard has his career set on easy mode for the time being.

He has the hype train behind him, he needs to somehow get himself into one of the bigger promotions.

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by rkilla on Aug 13, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm surprised...

no one has pointed out that he was scheduled to face Paulo Filho before he dropped out. Hardly a gimmie fight for him. Just things got Filho’d shortly thereafter. So they were looking to give him top competition. The Goodman fight, however, was ridiculous to hold.

by William Wilson on Aug 13, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The reason no one has pointed that out is because ...

… everyone just assumed things would get Filho’d.

Nobody expected that fight to actually happen.

by Steve4192 on Aug 13, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Lombard came to the UFC hed just get wrestled to the ground ala fitch alves style and lose.. hes better off going to strikeforce fighting lawler, le in a strikers battle.

by pandaboy99 on Aug 13, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Lombard was a member of the Cuban Olympic Judo team

so he should be prepared for the grapplers.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 13, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt that Fitch could outwrestle Lombard. He’s nasty in the clinch, has BJJ blackbelt, not to mention his athleticism and power. He’s no Alves.

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by dancingChicken on Aug 13, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mousasi was able to drag him down. Lombard is dangerous but Fitch is surprisingly effective, especially so given that his collegiate credentials are, from what I understand, unspectacular.

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by The Darkness on Aug 13, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, after I posted the comment I’ve had a flashback from that fight with Mousasi. Rewatched it. Lombard was taking Gegard down, but got swept few times and Mousasi was riding his back with a body triangle for the most of the time they spent on the ground. It’s not hard to imagine that Fitch would also stick to his back for 15 minutes. I hope thst we’ll get an occasion to find out.

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by dancingChicken on Aug 13, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lombard Will Make Bellator

Though you’re absolutely correct that Lombard has yet to face even a slight challenge in his weight class @ Bellator, to think he’s wasting his time there is crazy. Lombard is guy you build the franchise around – a long-term champion whose big KOs and extended winning streaks can develop the interest & hype to attract fans as well as other top fighters. Bellator is not gilded, just nascent, and a guy like Lombard is perfect for a budding franchise…

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by bloodsportmmadotcom on Aug 13, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

If Zuffa cleans Bellator out in Court

Lombard, Alvarez and Good could soon be in the Octagon

by MattParker117 on Aug 13, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no problems

seeing a guy get paid good (and remember, it’s pretty damn good) money to be champ of a minor org and wiping the canvas with bums if thats what he wants to do. Would I prefer he challenge himself? Sure. But I completely respect someone willing to take a cushy, well-paying job

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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 13, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, Lombard could always go to Japan and fight… uh… well, DREAM’s entire middleweight division fled to Strikeforce so I guess he could fight Santiago or Minowaman?

by Amor on Aug 13, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Leaving Bellator

“But unfortunately he’s locked in to his Bellator contract by their onerous championship clause which says that despite his only having one fight left on his contract, they can essentially force him to “re-up” indefinitely as long as he holds the belt."

Can’t Lombard just vacate the belt after his last fight on the contract? Wouldn’t this void the clause?

by daftshadow on Aug 13, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

 Do some research on Bjorn Rebney, Patrick English, Sam Caplan, and Ken Pavia. They certainly are the villians! They all have long shady pasts. They are like the Joker, Riddler, and Penquin. Lol

by MMAfan4242 on Aug 13, 2010 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

This is kind of an amalgamation of shady people (funny how often that happens in MMA promotion)

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 13, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bjorn Rebney, Patrick English, Sam Caplan, and Ken Pavia < 4 names
Joker, Riddler, and Penquin < 3 names
That’s okay though I vove for Ken Pavia as Cat Woman

by truck on Aug 13, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m familiar with all of them. Feel free to point out to me how that factors into the points I made above though.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 13, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nate,

From a business stand point, do you think Zuffa would be willing to help out promotions that actively pushed their stars toward the “major” leagues?

by castleeb on Aug 13, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

They already do

by refraining from killing them.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 13, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn’t a waste of time to Lombard because he has quickly ramped up his profile in MMA in a short period of time, to the point where everyone thinks he is this invincible beast who desperately needs to fight in the UFC. And it isn’t a waste of time to Bellator, who have racked up quite a highlight reel of Lombard’s wins and figure to wring a lot of value out of his contract and tape library if/when things go bad for them

by smoogy2 on Aug 13, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Good write up, the first thing I thought of after the last Bellator show was that Lombard was wasting his athletic prime on Bellator when he should be in UFC.

I personally think that Bellator’s champion clause may come back to bite them in the future, because top prospects might avoid their org for fear of being locked out of a top level organization like UFC and Strikeforce.

by dpk875 on Aug 13, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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