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Strikeforce Making a Push for a Big October, But No Word on the Return of Fedor Emelianenko or the Signing of Dave Batista vs Bobby Lashley

Fedor? Vadim? Call me, I'm waiting by the phone, Scott.

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Strikeforce is planning an October show (rumored October 9th in the HP Pavilion in San Jose, CA) which would hold the first round of their MW Tournament. Highly touted Strikeforce prospect, Luke Rockhold (7-1), is looking to make his long awaited return to the cage in his hometown and could be a darkhorse to win the tournament.

This show could also host a rumored bout between Dan Henderson and Babalu Sobral, which would most likely be a headliner of the event. Strikeforce is also in talks with CBS to broadcast the event, and is hopeful that they could rebound nicely from their April CBS event which was marred by uninspiring ratings and the brawl at the end of the telecast.

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October will be a huge month for Strikeforce's future, pulling all their big guns and hoping to make a permanent mark in the MMA landscape. The release of DVD set, a video game, and working for their return to CBS prime-time programming is all crucial in terms of their relevance in the MMA landscape, increasing brand awareness, and creating stars in their roster.

Is Strikeforce really considering headlining their return to CBS with Dan Henderson vs Renato "Babalu" Sobral in a non-title match? Has anyone run that past Showtime or CBS yet? But right now that might be the best bird in the hand Scott Coker's got.

Well talk Fedor Emelianenko, Fabricio Werdum, Bobby Lashley and Dave Batista in the full entry:

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Fedor is strictly bird in the bush right now, per MMA Fighting:

"We have ongoing dialogue even as recent as last weekend, and it's an ongoing process," he said. "I feel we'll come to when Fedor fights and who Fedor fights ... we'll probably have that put together in the next couple weeks."

Emelianenko would be making his return after losing his first match in nearly 10 years. On June 26, he was defeated after tapping out to a triangle/armbar combination at the hands of Fabricio Werdum.

The Russian is 32-2 with one no contest overall. Though his camp has stated a preference for a rematch with Werdum, a heavyweight championship match with Alistair Overeem remains another possibility.

Meanwhile, the future of Strikeforce on CBS remains in flux. The organization's last show on the "Tiffany Network" was the Strikeforce: Nashville show in April that featured three title bouts. That event drew an average of around 3 million viewers, but ended in controversy after a post-fight brawl following the Jake Shields vs. Dan Henderson match.

"We have dialogue but there's nothing definite," Coker said.

Then there's the much discussed Bobby Lashley vs Dave Batista match, Coker's still teasing it, again per MMA Fighting:

Meanwhile, Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker today told MMA Fighting's Ariel Helwani during the MMA Hour that the company was still considering matching Lashley against former professional wrestling star Dave Batista, if and when the company finalizes a deal with him to make his MMA debut.

While that would seem to put Lashley's stated career goals at odds with Strikeforce's possible plans, Coker told MMA Fighting that everything will be re-evaluated in time.

"The thing with Batista, like I told Ariel, is that we don't have an agreement with him," he said. "It would be a fun fight to do. Bobby's made the crossover, he's at a serious MMA gym and he's taking his career seriously. Right now he's moving up, if he can climb to the top 10 or 15, if he can win a couple more he'll be right there."

"If you keep winning, you'll get your title shot," Coker added at another point. "If Bobby keeps winning, he'll get it. This will be a good test in two weeks."

I'm not feeling optimistic for Strikeforce right now.

[UPDATE] - And let's not forget Fabricio Werdum, the Fedor slayer, per MMA Junkie:

"The date is really to be determined because Fabricio is not going to fight until the beginning of next year, so he's going to be sidelined for the next five months," Coker said.
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(Werdum manager Richard) Wilner said Werdum would be open to a rematch with Emelianenko or a fight with Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem, whom he defeated under the now-defunct PRIDE banner in May 2006.

But for the time being, the Brazilian fighter is taking it easy. He recently celebrated his 33rd birthday and has conducted several training seminars around the world, where he has no doubt shown countless hopefuls the submission hold he used to turn the MMA world on its head.

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I really had high hopes for Strikeforce at one time. I thought it was great for fans and fighters alike that there was serious competition for the UFC. The last 6 months or so though, they’ve descended further and further into a really farcical organisation, i’m not sure they’ll be around this time next year.

by sheikybaby on Aug 10, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

In what world was Strikeforce ever serious competition for the UFC?

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by Worldisart on Aug 10, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like that fight

After Babalu beats Hendo they won’t have any other options anyways.

by truck on Aug 10, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha.

Don’t forget Vanilla Ice … with MC Hammer as the celebrity ref!

by Clifford J on Aug 10, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

when they beat them out

for Fedor and grabbed the CBS slot that the UFC was in consideration for.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 10, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s not much of a victory when you “grab” something that the UFC wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot cattle prod.

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by Ubernoober on Aug 10, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

except that

Dana offered Fedor everything on his list except co-promotion and guaranteed that Fedor would sign with the UFC. They wanted Fedor BAD.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 10, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

They wanted Fedor bad, but the most important point was they weren’t willing to be screwed around by M-1. SF should have shown a little spine about the copromotion thing. Where else was Fedor going to go?

In hindsight the CBS deal was a bad idea, they didn’t have the mustard to pull off consistent shows. The success or failure of their shows was dependent on Fedor, a man whose management was notorious for being “difficult”.

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by Ubernoober on Aug 10, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

They sold their soul to the devil for a couple cookies...

The gain looks to be very short term, Dana was wise not to play that game.

by truck on Aug 10, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy it

It was a nice thought this idea of a promotion competing with the UFC and pushing them a little on the booking front, but despite the CBS deal and signing Fedor, it all seems like smoke and mirrors to me.

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by Worldisart on Aug 10, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there was no way Fedor was ever making it into the UFC. They would never deal with this ridiculous bullshit. I mean Christ, I just wanted to see Fedor fight Overeem. Was that really so much to ask?

God I hate M-1.

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by crazybones on Aug 10, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Is coker like a real human being, or a walking, talking joke?

batista can’t be “moving up” if he’s never had a pro amateur fight.

secondly, 10 to 15? seriously?

Strikeforce DESPERATELY needs Huerta. The lightweight division is the only one I see them being able to bolster with any credibility. There are a ton of tough guys from the WEC that could be signed to flesh it out.

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by Austin Martin on Aug 10, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

oops

still, coker is an idiot.

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by Austin Martin on Aug 10, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

let's watch the name calling

please, thank you.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 10, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

enlighten me,

how is he an idiot? maybe you can specify how much better you can do under similar circumstances

by theblade on Aug 10, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surely he means

Coker is an idiot because he isn’t Dana White.

Or something similarly unfounded or unproductive

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 10, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it’s because he’s taken a successful regional organization and turned it into a laughingstock.

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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 10, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laughingstock to whom?

Most people I know like the Strikeforce shows.

Other than blatant shill chumps like you

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by aaronb on Aug 10, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Most people I know like the Strikeforce shows."

Most people I know like the Strikeforce shows fights anywhere they can get them. The fights are fun, but the matchmaking and production are often laughable… Some times these thing happen in MMA though…

by truck on Aug 10, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lashley, not Batista.

Coker is referencing Lashley, not Batista when he talks about winning a couple more fights to get top 10-15.

by CB_MMA on Aug 10, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nate, what do you think they should headline a CBS card with? Every fight I come up with has issues. My initial thought was Overeem, but would people care about Overeem Bigfoot? I think trying to negotiate Fedor/overeem on CBS would be a nightmare.

by Phildo on Aug 10, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Heh.

It must suck to fight for a title in Strikeforce. If you lose, you lose, if you win, you still kinda lose (since you’re stuck with a champion’s clause).

Train hard, fight smarter.

by Asator on Aug 10, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

they've got nothing right now

sadly I think Lashley vs Batista is their best bet for a CBS card but they want to save that for PPV (God help us).
Fedor is essential for their return to CBS.
Fedor vs Overeem would be the ideal, but that will be quite a feat to pull off.
When I read that Coker was going to CBS with Henderson vs Babalu I almost fell off my chair. Just sad.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 10, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

i could see hendo vs. babu and moose vs. jardine (if they signed him) being reasonable

they need to sign huerta and match him against thomson.

finally, Manhoef vs. Diaz. if we aren’t going to be a legitimate promotion scotty, then lets give the fans a bloodbath.

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by Austin Martin on Aug 10, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

They still have Hershel Walker. I think he would be a no brainer. He’s no elite fighter, but the guy can add views to any show. I think Hershel vs. Kimbo (who Coker should sign) would be huge.

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by DayGeaux on Aug 10, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Walker vs. Houston Alexander?

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by Austin Martin on Aug 10, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that too tough a fight for Walker?

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by PapaBumpants on Aug 10, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He may be too athletic for Walker. Walker could at least exploit Kimbo’s knees with a few kicks and then work the lay & pray.

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by DayGeaux on Aug 10, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is what i was forgetting

Herschel vs Kimbo is THE fight they need for CBS.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 10, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geeze, can we get just one article where Kid Nate isn’t bashing Zuffa?

:)

by mma_critic on Aug 10, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

SF has re-emerged. They have plans.

Keep Firing, Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Aug 10, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Still no mention of Diaz vs Miller. That one is a big slow changeup floating across the centre of the plate waiting to be crushed out of the park.

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by Ubernoober on Aug 10, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diaz vs. Miller, or a rematch against Lawler

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by Austin Martin on Aug 10, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if CBS is going to be willing to do that.

Reward people by acting like jackasses on national TV by giving them the main event next time around? Plus you also need to deal with Nick Diaz fighting in California.

by Phildo on Aug 10, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diaz

track record of failing drug tests and missing big shows has got to spook CBS.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe its just me

But I actually like the Hendo/Sobral matchup. They are two of the better fighters on the roster. Maybe they can’t sell the fight, but I’m interested.

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by PapaBumpants on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

they could just show footage of hendo rocking shields over and over and over, but i’m not so sure what the sobral highlight could be

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by Austin Martin on Aug 10, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they could get their hands on the tapes

from when they fought ten years ago. Was it RINGS?

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by PapaBumpants on Aug 10, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could probably muster some highlights from the fight with Southworth and Lawler.

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by dancingChicken on Aug 10, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s not even a matter of footage, it’s just a bleh fight.

It’s a totally decent fight that should be made and I’ll watch, but I don’t see how they can get the general public fired up enough to care about it, footage or not.

by Phildo on Aug 10, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's a fun fight

and I DEF want to see it, but it’s not a draw for a CBS card. Great for a Showtime headliner.

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they could get their hands on the tapes

from when they fought ten years ago. Was it RINGS?

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by PapaBumpants on Aug 10, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Crap

reply fail

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by PapaBumpants on Aug 10, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor VS Hendo at catch weight. That would be a good mega fight as well, there both huge names coming off losses, so there’s a good chance one of their stats get shinier.

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by Thats It For you! on Aug 10, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

…and one of their two highest paid fighters becomes worthless.

by truck on Aug 10, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think

a loss for either fighter would be that devastating. Both are PRIDE champs at their weight classes.

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by PapaBumpants on Aug 10, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

And your casual CBS fan knows that?

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by II SMASH II on Aug 10, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

The problem is Hendo losing to Shields

If Hendo wins, then Fedor just lost to a guy (Hendo) who just lost to a natural 170 fighter. By MMAmath, that means a guy who isn’t even the UFC WW champion would beat Fedor, completely shattering the legend of Fedor. (No, I don’t think Shields would beat Fedor, but I think there’s a very real risk that many people would draw that conclusion.)

A Fedor win is less troubling, but it still really hurts Hendo’s stock.

As for being PRIDE champs, I seriously doubt 99% (or more) of the SF audience on CBS or even Showtime have a clue what PRIDE is. And since the UFC owns the PRIDE footage, SF can’t use the PRIDE fights to build up a Hendo-Fedor fight.

by mma_critic on Aug 10, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely with this

But most of the blame should fall on Strikeforce for that. They do a terrible job of advising the audience of what they are watching, who these fighters are. UFC owns the fight tapes, but Strikeforce could still mention how important it is.

Step 1 – fire Gus Johnson

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by PapaBumpants on Aug 10, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

they need to get alistair fighting again….he has the potential to be their biggest star. he can’t be sidelined waiting for werdum (who has no interest in fighting him for some reason) or fedor. he needs to be on cbs w a co-main event of hendo vs babalu….and throw in a couple other of there few marketable stars (noons, diaz, cung le, kennedy) or the first part of the middle weight tourney. that would be a cbs worhty card then and get people potentially talking.

by fightfan531 on Aug 10, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

cbs card should look like:

alistair vs bigfoot (since fedor and werdum may be out)
hendo vs babalu
noons vs thomson
lawler vs cung le
scott smith vs manoef

by fightfan531 on Aug 10, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

NONE

of those fights is a draw to a casual fan. that card would be money for hardcores but would do worse ratings than hendo vs shields

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by Nate Wilcox on Aug 10, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get beat up in real life for 20G or star in a movie for 300g’s?

I get more rec's than a Toyota!

by DayGeaux on Aug 10, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless she is facing Cyborg

she stands a good chance of winning

by truck on Aug 10, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

In today's world

Money>winning

I get more rec's than a Toyota!

by DayGeaux on Aug 10, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money is perceived as winning...

Happiness is truly winning and money =/= happiness

by truck on Aug 10, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

October 9th Event is gonna be on Showtime

SF plans another big october card which is depending on CBS’s approval.
The CBS card would feature Walker.

by KOQ24 on Aug 10, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

i agree that those fights aren’t catering to the casual fans based on name value…other than hendo and maybe babalu..but they are strikeforces potential stars and are all matchups that should make for exciting fights and draw casual fans in for the next shows to come. thats the best they can hope for…someone seeing overeem come out looking like a killer, smash an opponent and people start saying “i got to see this guy fight again…i think he can beat lesnar..bla blha blah” this is how u build a following…no casuals knew rampage before ufc or shogun etc….

by fightfan531 on Aug 10, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

That card won’t be a CBS card – CBS would refuse it. If they are planning a CBS show it is bound to be a different card. In addition, why run a CBS card in San Jose when you already own that market? They’ll want to stage it in a new city to help build their market.

For a CBS card they could hold the Nick Diaz/Mayhem Miller bout, but CBS might be cautious about booking DIaz. Gina might also be interested in returning since she has a movie premiering in January and the exposure might be looked at as a positive by her camp. The other options are gimmick matches: Herschel Walker vs Green Ranger, maybe give Batista a tune up fight (is Greg Nagy available?), try and sign Kimbo and pit him against Lashley. All of those would draw eyes as an undercard bout..

They still need a main event. My suggestion, if Werdum is out until next year, would be to book Fedor vs Barnett (supposedly in talks with SF) and Overeem vs Bigfoot as the double header main-event, instead of the Overeem vs Fedor match everyone talks about. If the heavyweights aren’t available, maybe they can sign or co-promote a Roger Huerta-Josh Thomson fight with Bellator.

They have some options but still a lot more question marks on how they get back on CBS.

by John Nash on Aug 10, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Roger Huerta is a must for Strikeforce.

That kid is an effing star. Now with the TMZ exposure on top of it, he can damn near headline on CBS. Not to mention that if you book him against KJ Noons, you’ll have a serious fight on your hands. Kawajiri vs. Huerta is likely to end up being an awesome brawl. Roger could fight Jon Fitch and it would be exciting somehow.

Lashley vs. Kimbo for SCARYLOOKINGBLACKMAN title would draw, no matter how much Kimbo’s star has faded. And they’ve both earned it in the mini tournament of the division. Lashley by beating Sapp and Kimbo by beating Houston.

Another possible fight that should draw hardcores and a bit of casual attention is Cung Le vs. Lawler. Now if they can make Le take the fight…

Open the card with Scott Smith vs. Guy Cyborg. Have Jim Lampley be the guest commentator instead of Gus Johnson. BANG BANG BANG BANG!

So, the card ends up looking something like this, with room for one more fight:
Huerta vs. KJ Noons
Lashley vs. Kimbo
Cung Le vs. Robbie Lawler
Scott Smith vs. Cyborg

I’d watch that.

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by pdl on Aug 10, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot about the Noons-Diaz angle

I don’t think most hardcore fans will care much, but SF could push towards a Noons-Diaz rematch. Diaz has been seen by television audiences in some big fights, so he’s among the better-known SF fighters among casual fans. Noons is the last guy that beat him. And, best of all… SF owns the footage to the last fight from buying up the EliteXC assets… unless they somehow fucked up that deal (like every other one since then) and got everything except the video library.

Normally, I’d say that SF should build this by giving each one another fight first, but that won’t work for a CBS card. So, put Noons on the next Showtime card in a fight you expect him to win.

For CBS…

Noons-Diaz rematch
Walker-Kimbo (from a suggestion above, which I think is a great idea)

And 2 of these 4:
Hendo-Babalu
Overeem-Bigfoot
Lashley-Batista
Carano-TBA

It’s a good balance of casual appeal (Walker, Kimbo, Gina or Lashly-Batista) while satisfying hardcore fans (Hendo-Babalu and Noons-Diaz).

SF really needs to come to terms with Overeem. I never gave it much though before, but that guy could be huge among casual fans and a mainstream audience. He’s everything that made Hulk Hogan famous and Vince McMahon a multimillionaire… plus he can legitimately destroy his opponents.

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