UFC on Versus 2 Results: Jon Jones Makes Short Work of Vladimir Matyushenko
by Nate Wilcox on Aug 1, 2010 10:58 PM EDT
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Jon Jones battered veteran Vladimir Matyushenko for a first round stoppage at UFC on Versus 2.
Jon "Bones" Jones brought a steaming hype train into his second straight headlining fight on UFC on Versus. Nothing that happened tonight did anything to derail it.
After the fight announcer Joe Rogan asked Jon Jones if he was ready for a top contender next. Jones said he'd fight whoever Joe Silva put in front of him.
Matyushenko tried to close the distance on his feet but found himself quickly clinched and taken down. From there it was just a matter of time as Jones passed guard, got a mounted crucifix and landed some vicious elbows to the head and got the stoppage.
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LOL
At people who acted like Vladdy was going to put him on his back and make it close.
Still not a great fight
. . . but it’s apparent that Jones has the goods. Reminds me of a more viscous GSP.
This fight was pointless
I said it when this was first announced. He dominated Hammil and Vera, he should have fought someone better.
by Myke25 on Aug 1, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Yah cause Vladdy was totally going to get out of that. Bones landed about 10 elbows in 3 seconds.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Truculence, Belligerence, & Pugnacity
Yeah, I saw Luke and a couple others on twitter saying they stopped it too soon. I mean, why let that continue? What’s the point?
by ufc4 on Aug 1, 2010 11:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Doesn’t matter. Give the guy the chance to try and get out of it. This isn’t fucking chess. The saliverry is not fucking checkmate. You let the guy get KOed.
Early stoppage. No debates.
by CynicalMarcus on Aug 1, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
And then when the UFC has its first fatality on free television you’ll be complaining MMA has been outlawed in the US.
Your parents must be siblings.
No debates.
LOL. Thanks, I needed a laugh before bed.
by Scott Haber on Aug 1, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
did you watch
the replay, it’s not like the guy was doing much, you know, being full mounted, crucifixed, getting blasted with some of the fastest elbows(which rank near the top of hardest parts of the body to hit with btw) we’ve seen in a long time, defending “intelligently” with the side of his head. Other than that, yes that was an early stoppage.
Very nice.
LOL.
defending "intelligently" with the side of his head.
RIP, Coach Wooden.
Thank you, Geoff Petrie.
Yea but it was going to get stopped soon enough the way those elbows were flying anyway. Matyushenko wasn’t going anywhere and those elbows were going to end the fight.
If this was a title fight people would be absolutely up in arms, but becuase this was a hot prospect who looked good in a non title fight it was acceptable. Would have liked to see a few more seconds at least.
so you wanted this fighter to die
Do you really want to see a fighter die? Jones broke an orbital bone of veras face and was hitting Valad in the side of the head and temple area. Could have really fucked him up if a elbow hits just right. This was a clear domination of a fight and no need to keep it going.
by Darren Watkins on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, he wasn’t out, he wasn’t crying for a tap. It can go more than 1.8 seconds worth of elbows before they stop it. I really have a feeling it looked way worse than it was ad could have afforded Vlad another escape roll attempt or two before they called it.
Disclaimer: Not to take anything from bones, he still looked amazing.
Sorry but I’m gonna take the best ref in the businesses opinion (who happened to be 2 feet away) over anyone elses.
by ufc4 on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Being out is not a required criteria. Herb Dean saved Vladdy a lot of unnecessary shots to the head tonight. 1.8 seconds, 5 seconds, 5 minutes, it doesn’t matter, the fight was over.
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we must not
have been watching the same fight here, vlad turns his head the wrong way for even one of those elbows, and one of two things is bound to happen, an actual ko, or serious brain damage, but lets give him the chance to receive more blows that he cant’ escape.
by proflex on Aug 1, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO
I don’t think I can take Franklin getting murdered again.
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I suspect Franklin gets the winner of the Nog/Bader fight.
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What did Rich do to you
That would make you wish that on him?
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 1, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Jon Jones vs. Forrest Griffin next please
by ufc4 on Aug 1, 2010 10:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Winner of Nog/Bader at 120
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Aug 1, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that’s what I was thinking. The fight will be much like the fight Forrest had with AS though. Forrest is a perfect matchup for someone like Jones. Jones will destroy him and pick him apart. It’s a good fight for Jones to help build his name even more though.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the UFC learned from their mistake with AS/Griffin and will not allow Griffin to (potentially) be embarassed by a fighter who is much less of a household name. That is why I would guess Franklin gets the nod, as he is a solid next step for Jones that has less drawing power to lose than Griffin.
yeah, that’s a good point. They have been giving Franklin tough fights for awhile and you know Franklin will fight anyone. I think it’ll be a good fight but I don’t see anyone beating JJ right now.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
where do
you suggest he move too? Down a weight class?
you know what i mean
obviously heavy weight. They really need to make a 215-230 lb division
by MJ5 on Aug 2, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems like Franklin or Griffin makes the most sense next.
Can either headline a ppv? or would it just make a really sick co-main?
I’d say headline an overseas show or co-main a Vegas show.
by ufc4 on Aug 1, 2010 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not feelin it
Neither Franklin nor Griffin is much of a factor in the division right now. And Jones would be a wretched stylistic match-up for either of them. Give him the winner of Bader-Lil Nog, and get him contending.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 1, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. Griffin is tough as nails and has the size to actually be able to deal with Jones’ strength and leverage. I don’t think Forrest would win but he’d be a great test.
by ufc4 on Aug 1, 2010 11:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Griffin is tough
but Vladdy is also tough. I think Jones rag dolls Forrest, takes him down and puts him away. I want to see Jones in there against someone who is elite in at least one aspect of the game. A guy like lil Nog would at least test his sub defense.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Vladdy is tough but he’s not 6-4, 230.
by ufc4 on Aug 1, 2010 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just think a generalist like Forrest would be like candy for Jones
I think he needs to be in against a top wrestler, a top BJJ guy or a top striker. Someone who can at least outpace him in some phase of the game.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 1, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But it's a thin line
He’s 23 and he’s the hottest prospect in the game, but one bad fight against an elite level fighter with experience could shatter his confidence.
A guy like Franklin, Griffin or Thiago Silva is right in the range of fight he should be at right now.
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ok if jones confidence can be shattered that easily by one loss he doesnt have the heart to be a champ anyway
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Bullshit
It’s attitudes like this that create unrealistic expectations for young fighters.
I’m 30 years old, and I’m fairly successful in my chosen profession, but I can tell you when I was 23 years old, my ego was still pretty fragile. The man is a human being and losing is a demoralizing thing. Bullshit statements like “ok if jones confidence can be shattered that easily by one loss he doesnt have the heart to be a champ anyway” are both unfair and terrifyingly ignorant.
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by Worldisart on Aug 1, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
gsp lost early in his career, anderson lost, fedor (technically lost), hughes lost, chuck lost, randy lost
i can keep going u cant be a champion in mma unless u can bounce back from defeat and it doesnt matter how old or mature u are
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All well and good
Outside of GSP, none of them were 23 and none of them were hyped as the second coming in the sport. The UFC has done a great job of booking Jones into incrementally tougher fights. The kid isn’t ready for a number 1 contender fight. Period.
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Mike Tyson was world champion at 20
I think your age standard is completely artificial. There is nobody in the LHW division who would badly outclass Jones. I’d have him as a favorite against all but one or two guys, and in those cases he’d be a very slight dog. Talent is talent. Jones has proven he’s ready.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think so
I think he’s still one fight away from the very best of the best. Ideally they give him Bader if he can beat Nog, and they do that in the co-main event of a big PPV, but since I don’t see that happening, give him a Forrest Griffin or a Rich Franklin and then put him in a number one contender fight.
The other thing to keep in mind in terms of match making, and this is something that has very little to do with what Jones is or isn’t ready for, is that Evans, his teammate who he has said he won’t fight, is in the title mix right now so until that resolves itself Jones isn’t going to be fighting for a title.
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Griffin is going in the wrong direction, and Franklin doesn’t belong at LHW. I just don’t see either of those guys testing Jones in any significant way.
Jones has as many UFC appearances as Cain Velasquez, and has put in more impressive performances. I think he should get a real top five guy, and if he mows through him as well, I have no problem with him going directly to a championship fight.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 1, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cain Valezquez argument doesn’t fly. HW is paper thin particularly when compared to the UFC’s 205lbs division.
And how is Griffin moving in the wrong direction? He is a step up in competition. Hell, he holds victories over two of the fighters in the top 5 that your so eager to see Jones fight.
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Forrest Griffin has lost twice
in his last three appearances, and his win was against the ghost of Tito Ortiz. He has shown us what he has, and what he has is no threat to Jones.
You can reject the Cain Velasquez comparison, and the Mike Tyson comparison, but both are apt. We’re seeing a unique talent, and other than building his legend, I see zero value in letting him beat up on Griffin.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 2, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
either way you cant just keep letting him steamroll mid tier ufc guys
i say winner of bader-lil nog v jones
and then the winner of that could go to a number 1 contender fight
by Richard Doughty on Aug 1, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree, but there is a middle ground between the Hamil/Vera/Matyushenkos of the world and the Evans/Machidas/Rampages of the world.
Nog/Bader winner is idea but if Bader wins I don’t see it happening.
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Failing is an important way to grow and learn how to get better. Losing is not bad. Man chill out. Maybe you were an emotional 23 year old. So people are men at younger ages and not children. They can handle a lose and improve from that. If he cant handle losing today then he doenst have the heart of a champion. That is not bad thing to say. He wont make it if he is that fragile of a human. Sounds like a girl wrote this.
by Darren Watkins on Aug 2, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is the argument that gave us Jones-Vladdy
I mean, I appreciate what you’re saying, but Jones has walked through every single guy they’ve put him in against. He’s not just winning, he’s clowning guys. They need to give him someone who can at least threaten him, and Forrest ain’t it. At best Forrest might take a beating for awhile before folding.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 1, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But that is a false dichotomy
It isn’t like the two choices are Vladamir Matushenko or Anderson Silva. There is a middle path – a Griffin or Franklin – that is a noted step up in competition without throwing Jones to the wolves
Either guy would be a tiny step up
for a guy who is murdering everybody he faces. Jones would be -300 if he fought Franklin tomorrow. He’d probably be -200 against Griffin. I’m not saying give him Anderson Silva. Give him the winner of Bader Lil Nog.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 1, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree about the odds
I really can’t see Jones as any less than -400 against either guy, probably closer to -600.
If we’re being honest, what does either guy (or other “name” guys like Couture or Rampage) have for Jones, aside from the proverbial “puncher’s chance”?
The only guys with the skillset to have a fair likelihood of beating him are Machida, Anderson and Rua.
Evans would be fun, but can’t/won’t happen, and Phil Davis or perhaps Bader could make it interesting, but neither will happen outside of a title fight.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 2:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Throwing Jones to the wolves?
He IS a damn wolf. People are gonna start getting thrown to him.
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We don’t know that Forrest can’t give him a challenge. Forrest is a tough fighter and he has the size to at least neutralize some of Jones’ physical advantages.
The UFC has done a great job of booking Jones in fights that are incrementally more difficult. Jones is only 23. He’s ready for another step up in competition but that step isn’t the Rampage/Machida/Evans/Shogun cluster, it’s the Griffin/Franklin/Thiago Silva/Noguera cluster.
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LOL
at Thiago Silva being in that cluster. Try again.
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Who has he lost to?
Machida and Evans who are undoubtedly two of the top three fighters at 205 in the world. Not saying he is the fight I think they should book Jones in given that a) Silva is chronically injured and b) he’s coming off a loss, but he is in that range of fighter.
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You're looking at it in the wrong way.
Instead of asking who he has lost to and seeing that it’s 2 of the top 3 guys in the division, ask who he has beaten.
Exactly.
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You could do that with most fighters and he still falls into that middle ground between who Jones is fighting now and the top of the heap.
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I don't think so.
I would rather put someone like even a Couture in there instead of T. Silva. I respect your opinion though.
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^^^^ This
Griffin’s size and his standing in the division make him a good match for Jones.
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i agree
griffin needs to stop being so hyped as a constant contender and franklin would not be worth it. Bader, T.Silva, A. Silva, Lil Nog, Rampage, these would all be great match ups. i would like to see rampage and jones, that would be a very good fight.
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A. Silva? Rampage? I thought we were talking about fights that actually have a chance of happening.
by ufc4 on Aug 1, 2010 11:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As I have caught shit for some time about saying, Jones is one of the 4 best LHWs around (Rua, Anderson, Machida). I see Evans as perhaps a 1/2 step below.
Franklin, Griffin and Couture are loyal company guys with great “name” value and would probably accept the fight, but I can’t see Dana ruining any of them like that.
Little Nog is a possibility, whether he wins or loses against Bader, but if Bader wins I don’t see them meeting unless its in a title fight or one (or both) is coming off a legit loss.
Thiago would be ideal, but he seems as injury prone as Griffin or Shogun.
Loser of Maachida-Rampage makes sense, except they would already have 2 losses.
Quite the dilemma really…
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 2:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Somebody better than those two.
I kind of don’t want to see Randy with the guy.
would love to see bones vs king mo
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Yeah, I don't like King Mo much either...
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
by Razreshat on Aug 1, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
mo has superior wrestling
it’d be a great fight i think and interesting to see what bones does off his back
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I gotta figure Jones would get a takedown first.
King Mo is better on the top, surely, but how good is he on his back with Jones on top of him? I don’t think we’d even see Jones on his back in that fight.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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why do you say that? Mo is just as athletic and a far more accomplished wrestler there’s no reason to think Jones would show wrestling dominance. Mo is so underhyped it really irks me.
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Completely agree
Back before Rashad-Rampage I argued that Mo was a top-5 LHW and caught it from all sides.
Rua, Anderson, Machida, Jones and Mo would all own any other current LHW outside of those 5.
Jones and Mo would be a great, great fight. Both would likely take the other down at times, and although Mo may be a bit better as a wrestler, I think Jones is better enough overall to take him.
Honestly, after 2-3 more fights each against progressively tougher competition, I can’t see anyone with the possible exception of Phil Davis (after 3-4 more fights) taking either of those 2 guys.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 2:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you are insane.
Could Jones get the takedown.. I don’t doubt it. But on paper you have to assume Mo would be the superior wrestler. Thats not even debatable.
jones not having to cut weight would be great too
i wonder how big he’d get, a few years down the line an overeem type frame isnt unrealistic
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
any fight that Frank Mir gets beat up in is a fun fight to watch for me. :)
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and then let him beat up Tito because I like to watch him get beat up as well.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“I shoved that horse shoe back up his ass last fight, and tonight I just ripped it out again and beat him over the head with it…again”
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Aug 2, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it was too quick a stoppage
Despite what Joe and Goldy said about Vladdy not protesting the stoppage (since when has protesting a stoppage ever made a blind bit of difference?), Matyushenko didn’t appear phased by the elbows and I think it was stopped too soon.
I also think Dean jumped the gun through out the night and made some early standups in the Ellenberger / Howard fight.
yeah but when a fighter doesn’t protest the stoppage then that’s a sure giveaway that he wasn’t going to get out and he was getting hurt.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
or it could just be vladdys personality
those belarussians are very stoic
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
yeah i can agree with that but Jones probably dropped 10 bows in about 5 seconds. It was going to get ugly. Herb Dean knows what he’s doing too.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
not disagreeing with the stoppage
just disagreeing with the fact that vladdy def agreed with it
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Not a mind reader
but Vlad isn’t stupid. He knows Herb saved him a bottle of aspirin, or even a trip to the hospital. He should have kissed him.
u could almost see in his eyes after the spinning backkick that he knew he had no answer
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Herb fucked up in Howard/Ellenberger. I don’t know what was with those stand ups.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 2, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Crucifix position, elbows from Jon Freaking Jones
Crashing against your cranium at a rapid speed completely unanswered….
Yeah, of course the fight was stopped too early. Come on guys that was like Fisher/Stevenson but with a much quicker ending.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
i know they train together...
But I’d like to see Jones vs Rashad
I told you not to f*ck with me.
by Romoesbueno on Aug 1, 2010 11:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was thinking about that fight as well. I don’t think it will happen because they train together like you mentioned but I would like to see what Rashads wrestling could do against Jones.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't sell Rashad short.
The biggest issue with Jones is people not finding their range, since Rashad trains with jones, he should have an idea of where his range lies. In a year, if Jones keep this up, I definitely go with him. Honestly, I have to assume that Rashad is the more complete fighter and the better overall grappler, based on experience. I think Rashad could grind out the decision today. Soon enough, I doubt that though.
The biggest hole in Rashad's MMA Wrestling game
Is his lack of elite top control. I see Jones pretty well having his way with Rashad.
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by BigDNotDallas on Aug 2, 2010 2:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You don’t often see finishes from side control, but WOW were Jones elbows vicious and instant. Fight was on the ground and over before the arena even knew Jones was in the Janitor’s face.
by WarToney on Aug 1, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Ahhh, from my seat and that photograph it looked like Side Control, my fault. It went so fast it was difficult to tell either way.
by WarToney on Aug 4, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are they
taking their time with Jones? Is it because they want to slowly build him up or is just because they realize that he is the future and want to protect him a little?
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Because he's 23 and they don't want another Brandon Vera
Where they just throw him to Tim Sylvia and Fabricio Werdum.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
yeah that’s what I have figured. I don’t mind them slowly bringing him along but my God he is destroying all of his opponents.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm talking about "UFC fight experience"
He got Schermer, Eilers, Assuerio Silva, and Fat Frank before getting tossed in with Sylvia and Vera. Three of those guys aren’t in the UFC anymore (Eilers sadly died but he was not good enough for the UFC anyway).
Bones beat Gusmao (cut), Bonnar, O’Brien (cut), “lost” to Hamill, blasted Vera, and now Vlad. Compares Bones’ resume to Vera’s and I think the UFC is trying to slowly bring him up instead of giving him cans.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
They are not protecting him
they are building his name up.
Jon Jones does not sell enough PPV’s yet to be champion, after headlining another free card against a big name he will.
this is my point with franklin/griffin. I don’t think either will beat him, I think they will raise his name value immensely. with wins, however impressive, against Matyushenko don’t do very well.
by Gerrymanderer on Aug 2, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If they bring him along any more slow
he’ll outgrow this weight class and he’ll have to start from the lower to middle of the Heavyweight division. Get him some decent competition already.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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I think they will for his next fight. They have too. I think they should have taken another step up after Vera. I bet they will feed him Franklin. Poor Franklin. ha ha
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Aug 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking a good idea
is the winner of the Nogueira-Bader fight.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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I think that's the only option
Or if they want to give him a striker how about Cane? Although they will probably try and give Cane an easier opponent so they don’t have to cut him.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
If they gave him Cane
there would be more of a mutiny then there was over the failed attempt at a second fight between Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson. That would be so ridiculous that no one would stand for it. It’s time to stop it with the whole “we have to give him the next fight that is right for him.” The winner of Bader and Nogueira would work in terms of standing in the division which is what they need to do with him now.
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I don't think they'll give him Cane
Because Cane is a very good fighter but is one-dimensional and is easy to hit with his total lack of head movement.
My hope is he gets Bader/Nog or Thiago Silva.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
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by Monyo on Aug 1, 2010 11:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They’re taking their time because there are technical holes in his game they want to give him time to fill. People don’t realize the benefits of a full training camp and fight for a young fighter. The guy hasn’t even grown into his body yet.
That being said, it’s now time for a serious step up. Rich Franklin is a very good choice, he can take a lot of damage and I think he has the skills standing to potentially give Jones trouble, especially as the fight goes on.
How about Jon Jones vs. Thiago Silva?
but Jones can beat Brock, Carwin, JDS, and a shark at the same time!!!!!!!!!
I wish these people would get a clue and let the guy develop. He may be the greatest fighter in MMA history one day but for now let him work his way up the ladder like any other young prospect.
I’m conflicted about Jones performance it was very impressive but that stoppage was ridiculous, Herb Dean dropped the ball again I have no clue why Dana loves him.
Vlad has earned his right to fall on his shield i’ve never seen a stoppage from the crucifix come that quickly I don’t care how vicious the elbow were it’s a fight let the guy go out.
Why i’m conflicted is because Jones would have probably stopped him anyways but whenever a fight gets called that quick it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
Do people really think this was a quick stopage
I was watching the fight we a boxing friend and he didn’t like it b/c he thought it was a took quick of a stop. Do people really not know how bad of a position Vlad was in and he could possibly die or get really hurt? That was beyond impressive and I enjoyed that fight a ton. Lots of good technique from Jones and I cant wait to see him fight a top 5 guy.
I don't think death
was a forgone conclusion. lol.
I dont think it would be unreasonable that vladdy have maybe a second or two more. There was always the possibility of Jones getting off balance from throwing the bows and getting rolled or one of Vladdy’s hands getting free… though I didn’t see that happening, it was more likely to happen then Vlad dying.
That said, I understand why Herb stopped it and I’m kind of Ehh about it either way. Vlad didn’t look good at all. He never found his range and was completely overwhelmed on the ground. If by some miracle he did go any further, and even escape, it was all going downhill from the opening bell as it was… he would have just been stopped a little bit later.
Howard fought with a ET eye, Ellenberger took a headkick that made a cloud of sweat drops and you’re saying that Vlad could die because of short elbows? C’mon.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 2, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it would have but Vlad earned the right for him to decide when he’s had enough and at that point it was no where near that time.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
This fight was kind of an anti-climax. I mean Jones is showing absolute dominance in there, but his last three fights have followed the exact same blueprint. I want to see him get in there against someone who is a threat off of their back (lil nog) so that Jones either tried to demolish them on the feet or does a Stephan Bonnar on them and supplexes and judo throws them repeatedly and lets them get up every time.
I’m dying to see some of Jones’ patented spinning elbows and judo throws. Not gonna happen if he knows he can take down and safely elbow his opponent to victory on the ground.
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